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Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by odogwu125: 1:38am On Jan 17, 2016

Weedcrusher:
I know you want to attach Igbos by fire by crook. But did you see the link I provided earlier of postal stamps of oil rivers protectorate? did you see any Igbo town mentioned there? Before you make any further comment, open the link and learn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamps_and_postal_history_of_the_Niger_Coast_Protectorate

stop giving us wikipedia link this fo.olshman

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by dukecharles(m): 1:42am On Jan 17, 2016

Weedcrusher:
You will really think what this man has said really made sense if you don't know the history of Nigeria. Though the region is not known as South south until recently, but it has been clearly distinct from the Igbo hinterland from colonial era. The region was initial called the Oil rivers protectorate between 1884-1893 before the name was changed to Niger coast protectorate between 1893-1900. The states in this protectorate are the present south south states. The protectorate joined other territories south of lokoja to form the Southern protectorate in 1900. It was the same southern protectorate that amalgamated with the northern protectorate and lagos colony to form what we have now has Nigeria in 1914.
One old man cannot just wake up someday and try to rewrite history. There are well documented records that are older than him.

source: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ng_ncp.html

How do people assimilate information? Please go and do your background check very well before you come out here to showcase your emptiness. For the records, there has never been any difference between SE/SS since the history of Nigeria even as Oil River protectorate, Niger coast protectorate or even southern Nigeria Protectorate. The term south /south is a term adapted by northern oligarchy to disintegrate Biafra. When Zik and Ojukwu were the premier of Eastern Nigeria, it was SS/SE. South south doesn't make sense even in the dictionary. See the map below

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by odogwu125: 1:55am On Jan 17, 2016

Reading coments i can only see extreme foolishnes in yoruba ppl. The colonial oil rivers has noting to d with crude, it was palm. Oil rivers later became Owerri province. Meanwhile was a totally difrnt colony and never had anything to do with d rest of SW

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Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by dukecharles(m): 2:00am On Jan 17, 2016

Weedcrusher:
What is it douche bag? If you don't know anything, it's better you keep quiet than open your mouth and display your stupidity to the world. The oil rivers/niger coast protectorate has its capital at Old Calabar. Other regions in the protectorate include Benin, Bonny, Brass, Opobo, Uyo and Warri. Did you see any igbo town there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamps_and_postal_history_of_the_Niger_Coast_Protectorate

I just noticed that you like Wikipedia, it's commendable, but I will teach you how to do research. Please search OLD CALABAR on Google read the literatures and also see the maps. I put it to you that old calabar cannot be complete without mentioning Igbo land.
Please help yourself with the link below and stop confusing your young age with half knowledge, cos it's dangerous.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Calabar

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Weedcrusher: 4:11am On Jan 17, 2016

odogwu125:
Reading coments i can only see extreme foolishnes in yoruba ppl. The colonial oil rivers has noting to d with crude, it was palm. Oil rivers later became Owerri province. Meanwhile was a totally difrnt colony and never had anything to do with d rest of SW

Owerri province grin

. You are such a joker

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Weedcrusher: 4:25am On Jan 17, 2016

odogwu125:
stop giving us wikipedia link this fo.olshman

odogwu125:
dude stop cursing lyk ewedu eater. Dnt be stvpid. Wikipedia is nt a source.

Your idioti.c self keep repeating the same point that I quoted Wikipedia as a source. Instead of refuting my point, your came up with the most ridiculous lies ever that Oil rivers became owerri province grin

. You are such a simpleton

Now for sources other than wikipedia

http://www.microform.co.uk/guides/R96937.pdf

Quick History
"The delta of the Niger River (in present day Nigeria) was initially called "Oil Rivers", not because the area was a producer of "black gold", but, because at the time, the delta was a large producer of palm oil. (Ironically, the area did become a large oil producing region in the 1950s.) The delta came under British rule in 1885, the "Oil Rivers Protectorate". This was done to control trade on the Niger River, and to prevent encroachment by other Europeans during the "Scramble for Africa"

http://bigblue1840-1940..ca/2014/06/TheClassicStampsofNigerCoastProtectorate.html

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Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by ISpiksDaTroof: 4:33am On Jan 17, 2016

coolzeal:
General J.O Achuzie.... One of the few great men on earth that, I will be glad to meet and listen to his words of wisdom.

You do know that it was a Igbo man, in conjuction with OBJ and co that coined that term? If the General did say what the article accuses him of, then he is wrong

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Weedcrusher: 5:18am On Jan 17, 2016

dukecharles:
I just noticed that you like Wikipedia, it's commendable, but I will teach you how to do research. Please search OLD CALABAR on Google read the literatures and also see the maps. I put it to you that old calabar cannot be complete without mentioning Igbo land.
Please help yourself with the link below and stop confusing your young age with half knowledge, cos it's dangerous.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Calabar

You can check through my post, I never used wikipedia source, except this one time. And the reason why was because I just want to push the point across and there are limited source out there addressing the subject on the internet. One good source I have is the title "Scramble for Africa" by Thomas Pakenham in hard copy.

From the source you provided, the only connection between Old Calabar and Igboland was a that lot of slaves were taken from Igbo hinterland and transported through Old Calabar has seen in this excerpt

"The coast in this region was named "Calabar" by the Portuguese explorer Diogo Cao.[5] The reason for choosing this name is unknown, since it was not used by the Efik people.[6] The city of Akwa Akpa was founded by Efik families who had left Creek Town, further up the Calabar river, settling on the east bank in a position where they were able to dominate the slave trade with European vessels that anchored in the river, and soon becoming the most powerful in the region.[7] Akwa Akpa, also known as Duke Town to the British, became a center of the slave trade, where slaves were exchanged for European goods.[8]

The main ethnic group taken out of Calabar as slaves were the Igbo, although they were not the main ethnicity in the area.[9] Most slave ships that transported slaves from Calabar were English, around 85% of these ships being from Bristol and Liverpool merchants"

Another link on old calabar

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/BUN_CAL/CALABAR_or_OLD_CALABAR_.html

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Ebbunwa(m): 6:45am On Jan 17, 2016

Which state is Joe Achuzie from? So there are Igbos in his state, interesting.

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by meforyou1(m): 8:32am On Jan 17, 2016

Weedcrusher:
Owerri province . You are such a joker

of course. Even port harcourt was under Owerri province in the colonial era

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by ceaz4r(m): 11:21am On Jan 17, 2016

FirstCounsel:
All I made was an observation and you reply me with a bag load of insults? Well done sir

My bad.. No vex.
Oya take 2 chilled bottles of Origin for my name. Happy Sunday, bruv.

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Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Mckennedy: 11:51am On Jan 17, 2016

coolitempa:
You are nothing but another brainwashed simpleton.... .....of what importance is it whether a place is named south south or west west or north north.....is the import of a name more significant than its actual reality/existence...Olodo iPod....a beg go find your level...

slowpoke why import SS without North North and West West? Your definition clarified your level of IQ. I don't argue with lunatics.

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Nsonso: 12:32pm On Jan 17, 2016

coolitempa:
You are nothing but another brainwashed simpleton.... .....of what importance is it whether a place is named south south or west west or north north.....is the import of a name more significant than its actual reality/existence...Olodo iPod....a beg go find your level...

Graveyard, you are the worst of all devilish beasts that ever existed and will ever exist. Answer his question or amputate ur upper limbs.

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by FirstCounsel(m): 1:50pm On Jan 17, 2016

[quote author=ceaz4r post=42057174]My bad.. No vex.
Oya take 2 chilled bottles of Origin for my name. Happy Sunday, bruv. [/quote
Accepted. Cheers mate

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by jstbeinhonest(m): 2:48pm On Jan 17, 2016

Naijiant:
Only people without brains use the term "south south" anyway. There is no such thing. Just like you don't have North North, East East, West West.

'South South' is a geographical zone not a cardinal point,Geographical zones generally are not named by any set of 'rules'.The term 'south south' is therefore correct is Nigeria choses it fit.I hope you know a zone in Nigeria is called 'North Central'

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by coolscott(m): 1:35am On Jan 18, 2016

Ariani:
There was never a time Bonny captured and sold Igbo slaves. They mainly served as middle men between the Aro slave merchants and the white slave buyers and the same thing happened in the oil Palm thread, Ijaws had no Palm trees, Palm trees grow on lands, Ijaws had no lands.

They mainly served as middle men between Ndiigbo who produce the palm oil and the white men.

And for all its worth, the major trading houses of Bonny at its peak were mainly headed by Igbo slaves who wielded influence over their Ijaw subjects.

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm

[size=13pt]We marry Igbo wives, you say there we become Igbo. We give an igbo slave freedom in our lands, you say we therefore have become Igbo.

When the grace of your owners who have bought you as a slave shines on you and they decide you will not cross the point of no return into the white man's ship, how does that translate automatically into being lord over your benefactors?

The process of acculturising Ibibio or Igbo slaves into the Bonny, Nembe or Kalabari kingdoms is so thorough that these individuals become the new identities given to them at the discretion of their new owner who choose who to not sell and who not to sell to the ships.

When the matriarch of a Nembe or Bonny house shaves your head in public in a ceremony, and you are given a new Ijaw name in a public naming ceremony in order to be accepted as equal in your new society and prove your loyalty to it, surely your past is totally gone. The grace of the new place that has accepted you (and that you have pledged loyalty/allegiance to) gives you your new found freedom.

As for Bonny capturing and selling Igbo slaves, I did not say Bonny captured and sold Igbo slaves. I said Bonny sold Igbo slaves.
The slave hunters hunted them in Igbo land (probably fellow Igbos) and gathered them at the Arochukwu slave market from where they were transported to Ndoki, which was the route to the Bonny slave port (which was not the only slave port as there were the Calabar, Brass and Kalabari slave ports too).

Bonny Kings, Chiefs and rich men were the final middle men between the African slavers and the White buyers. They bought the slaves, held them in the holding centers, and sold them to the white men.

Kalabaris, Calabar people (and even Brass people of present day Bayelsa) sold Igbo slaves to the white man. From where else do you think they left the shores of Nigeria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade[/size]

Re: Top, SOUTH SOUTH DOES NOT EXIST----GEN ACHUZIE by Ariani: 9:41pm On Jan 18, 2016

Lol! The Igbo slaves who became lords over Ijaw people never stopped seeing themselves as Igbos, Jaja never failed to keep telling people where in Amaigbo he came from, those Igbo slaves merely stooped to conquer, and conquer they did, as their reigned as lords over Ijaw subjects. cool

Igbo slaves being sold at Eastern ports is not a new story, it's an old story,I only wanted to dispel any notion of Igboland being ransacked for slaves by Ijaws.

The Ijaws were the sea people, the whites lodged at the sea ports, and the only access the Igbo had to the Whites was through the Ijaws, so everything we sold to the Whites, be it Palm oil or slaves passed through the Ijaws. But we know that at the peak of it all, Igbo personalities were the leaders of those Ijaw trading houses.

And at a point, the Whites were no longer comfortable with the Ijaws bringing the goods to them, they wanted the goods sold directly to them by Ndiigbo, and that was how the Ijaws lost all their relevance in the scheme of things. They were never producers of Palm oil or slaves, they were just opportunists that capitalized on the Igbo reluctance to march out the sea and the white man reluctance to match inland.

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