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ohenhen1:
Is the metal recyclable?

It is. However it's not going to be cannibalised.

agaugust:
Chinese new WS-13 engine for JF-17 is almost ready. NAF has two choices of engines. JF-17 offers Nigeria technology transfer on how to build a 4th generation jet fighter, J-10 does not offer that. Tech transfer is priceless and a great reward.

Industrial participation would be better as building jets is not for everyone. There's a reason why jet engines designed and produced by a handful countries.

Henry240:
Does this comment make any sense to you?



It's unbelievable how you South-Africans think to be honest.

The reason you're acquiring that turkey is because of the warm relations between Pakistan and Nigeria. Is that what are saying?

Not doctrine, defence policy, operational requirements and costs.

Henry240:
You're the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.

How do you guys even make it through school?

- Avionics.
- Weaponry.
- Propulsion.

MikeCZAR:
The reason you're acquiring that turkey is because of the warm relations between Pakistan and Nigeria. Is that what are saying?

Not doctrine, defence policy, operational requirements and costs.

We sure won't be struggling to raise 9 pilots for our fleet after 16 years.


We also won't be paying $65 million dollars a unit for planes which are essentially JF-17s, unlike a certain air force in Southern Africa.

Henry240:
That's the thing, in an ambush, they'll all die. The weather alone is enough to even break them.


The best vehicle i've seen is definitely the vehicle proforce is offering for it's Special Combat Vehicle category. My only problem is, there is no provision for a GPMG for the front passenger gunner.


The Gurza 2 from Azerbaijian is also nice, but it does provide enough protection.


Pound for pound, the Gurza 2 satisfies on all parameters and is the best SF vehicle I've ever seen.

They're unlikely to fall into ambushes. As they operate mostly outside the battlefield.

If they do those vehicles carry a heavy punch.

What did the Selous scouts use during Operation Eland?

MikeCZAR:
- Avionics.
- Weaponry.
- Propulsion.

- Prove the Aircraft Electronics in the Gripen are better than on the JF-17
- the JF-17 carries Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground, Anti-Shipping missiles.
- Thrust in both Aircrafts are thesame.

Henry240:
We sure won't be struggling to raise 9 pilots for our fleet after 16 years.


We also won't be paying $65 million dollars a unit for planes which are essentially JF-17s, unlike a certain air force in Southern Africa.

- Avionics.

- Weaponry.

- Propulsion.

Henry240:
- Prove the Aircraft Electronics in the Gripen are better than on the JF-17

- the JF-17 carries Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground, Anti-Shipping missiles.

- Thrust in both Aircrafts are thesame.

A. Operates inferior weapons needs to be upgraded to use other weapons. Raising costs.

- Similar to your ipad or computer operating system you won't have certain features or use some applications if you're stack with a previous operating system. With that said to use say 5th generation missiles like the IRIS-T SRAAM you'll need "certain features" to use them. So your country will have to pay millions for this.



- Mostly which are inferior to what is available in the market. Like in terms of air to air weaponry it is limited to Chinse and a few Brazilian AAMs. Nothing impressing besides the PL-12.

- The RD-93 is just problem. One SA company fitted the original one the 33 on a Mirage.

patches689:
Citations please.

Until then... RD-33 for you

This thread will be better when you are mature enough to leave other peoples comments alone and just post yours. You seem to lack the adult reasoning faculty that will make you understand that this thread is not same as the other one where you just scream all the time....citations please, even when the answer is evident on simple google search a 12 year old boy can do. Seems you have no shame as an adult.

agaugust:
This thread will be better when you are mature enough to leave other peoples comments alone and just post yours. You seem to lack the adult reasoning faculty that will make you understand that this thread is not same as the other one where you just scream all the time....citations please, even when the answer is evident on simple google search a 12 year old boy can do. Seems you have no shame as an adult.

rugged7:
And American Boeing said the same shit about Europe's Airbus A380 until they took over Boeing's market share
You see...
The more you chaps open your smelly stinking mouth,
The more stupid you look.
Were ni
Omoale

I am not opening my mouth. I am basing my opinion on available evidence.

Henry240:
Does this comment make any sense to you?



It's unbelievable how you South-Africans think to be honest.

He is correct '

How can you get the best platform without an open tender?

Henry240:
You're the one making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you.


How do you guys even make it through school?

If its not a Turkey why then did Argentina choose to head in the direction of the ancient Kfir instead?

Henry240:
We sure won't be struggling to raise 9 pilots for our fleet after 16 years.


We also won't be paying $65 million dollars a unit for planes which are essentially JF-17s, unlike a certain air force in Southern Africa.

1. You said you were buying it because of relations and not because of capabilities

2. Those "stats" are flawed
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17specifications.html

Would you like me to detail the content of the link I have just posted, or will it cause you to go running to the mods?

Henry240:
- Prove the Aircraft Electronics in the Gripen are better than on the JF-17

- the JF-17 carries Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground, Anti-Shipping missiles.

- Thrust in both Aircrafts are thesame.

- Gripen has better radar

- So do all modern jets, and lots of old ones

- Thrust of the JF-17 is 18,300lbf(8300kgf) according to the people who make the engine. Which is dramatically inferior to the Gripen. The JF-17 has to use emergency power just to get off the ground.

agaugust:
[s]This thread will be better when you are mature enough to leave other peoples comments alone and just post yours. You seem to lack the adult reasoning faculty that will make you understand that this thread is not same as the other one where you just scream all the time....citations please, even when the answer is evident on simple google search a 12 year old boy can do. Seems you have no shame as an adult.[/s]

If you make claims, provide proof

MikeCZAR:
A. Operates inferior weapons needs to be upgraded to use other weapons. Raising costs.

- Similar to your ipad or computer operating system you won't have certain features or use some applications if you're stack with a previous operating system. With that said to use say 5th generation missiles like the IRIS-T SRAAM you'll need "certain features" to use them. So your country will have to pay millions for this.



- Mostly which are inferior to what is available in the market. Like in terms of air to air weaponry it is limited to Chinse and a few Brazilian AAMs. Nothing impressing besides the PL-12.

- The RD-93 is just problem. One SA company fitted the original one the 33 on a Mirage.

What a load of rubbish!



- The JF-17 features an open architecture and is designed to be very modular.

- It's primary weapons is the 70km range PL-12 Medium Range Air-to-Air missile. With a a fire-and-forget active guidance capability comparable to the modern U.S. AIM-120 AMRAAM.


- It carries a wide panolpy of advanced weapons, giving each airforce a large variety to choose from.


- Similar to any system, it can always be up-graded, if the a/B model of the JF-17 is similar in capabilities to the C/D model of the Gripen, the prospects of the C/D model of the JF-17 seem limitless.



- One SA company equals insignificant. What is important is the manufactures of the JF-17 are significantly satisfied with the performance of the RD-93.

patches689:
- Gripen has better radar

- So do all modern jets, and lots of old ones

- Thrust of the JF-17 is 18,300lbf(8300kgf) according to the people who make the engine. Which is dramatically inferior to the Gripen. The JF-17 has to use emergency power just to get off the ground.

- No it doesn't have a better radar


- According to the PAF which uses the RD-93, anywhere in the world the performance of the engine is brilliant. According to the stats, the Gripen engine and that of the JF-17 provide almost the same output.


7 Gripen crashes doesn't really show an engine that's better.

patches689:
1. You said you were buying it because of relations and not because of capabilities

2. Those "stats" are flawed
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17specifications.html

Would you like me to detail the content of the link I have just posted, or will it cause you to go running to the mods?

- I said it was inevitable. The Jet has a performance that matches the Gripen, and we are talking about the block 1.


- the stats are flawed according to you. The manufacturer says otherwise.

Henry240:
What a load of rubbish!



- The JF-17 features an open architecture and is designed to be very modular.

- It's primary weapons is the 70km range PL-12 Medium Range Air-to-Air missile. With a a fire-and-forget active guidance capability comparable to the modern U.S. AIM-120 AMRAAM.


- It carries a wide panolpy of advanced weapons, giving each airforce a large variety to choose from.


- Similar to any system, it can always be up-graded, if the a/B model of the JF-17 is similar in capabilities to the C/D model of the Gripen, the prospects of the C/D model of the JF-17 seem limitless.



- One SA company equals insignificant. What is important is the manufactures of the JF-17 are significantly satisfied with the performance of the RD-93.

1. Yes, but the "architecture" is not readily compatible with other "operating systems" (using generic terms)

2. Not even Pakistan operate the PL-12
http://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-air-force-weapon-system.42231/

3. So do lots of platforms... problem is that it is not cleared for any western weapons

4. There is no evidence whatsoever to claim that it is comparable to the Gripen C/D. Any aversions to comparability are due to Nigerian obsession with claiming dominance in SSA.

Henry240:
- No it doesn't have a better radar


- According to the PAF which uses the RD-93, anywhere in the world the performance of the engine is brilliant. According to the stats, the Gripen engine and that of the JF-17 provide almost the same output.


7 Gripen crashes doesn't really sure an engine that's better.

1. 70km range for a RCS of 3m...

2. No, according to the manufacturer its performance only matches the Gripen in Emergency Power mode.

3. How many Grip crashes due to the Engine?

4. Facts are facts, RD-33 burns out quickly.

Dude, why must everything be a competition? If you just said "we got the JF-17, it is a good jet, we are happy" no one would disagree. But if you start trying to compare it to the Grip we will shoot you down... because it is not comparabale to the Grip. The only thing the two platforms have in common is that they are single engine... not even the same class of jet, one is an interceptor with multi-role tendancies and the other is a swing-role fighter.

Henry240:
- I said it was inevitable. The Jet has a performance that matches the Gripen, and we are talking about the block 1.


- the stats are flawed according to you. The manufacturer says otherwise.

1. No, the performance does not match the Grip. I find it to be quite indicative of your motivations to be comparing it to the Grip

1a. You literally just told us you purchased it because of relations with Pakistan.... how do you know it is the best for your needs without competition? UAE has excellent relations with the US, but they held open competition for their new IFV and guess what... BMP3 was found to be the best for their needs.

2. Yes, the manufacturer says the stats are wrong.

patches689:
If you make claims, provide proof

This is a photo thread not a place to be demanding for random weblinks that a kid can google search without adult help. Learn to know which thread you are on and use brain discretion. I am not interested in your argument go find another person to argue with.

agaugust:
This is a photo thread not a place to be demanding for random weblinks that a kid can google search without adult help. Learn to know which thread you are on and use brain discretion. I am not interested in your argument go find another person to argue with.

Yes, this is a thread for photographs, not wild unsubstantiated claims.

But I know you, if you could have backed up what you said with a citation you would have.

And asking for some concrete information is not arguing - it is questioning.

Just when we resolved the C2 brawl, Now this. What sort of humans do we have on this thread?

I don't know why the Nigerians are arguing with the South Africans,like their opinion matters. When the JF 17 lands in Nigeria, you saffers can go and blow up the engine

horlams:
I don't know why the Nigerians are arguing with the South Africans,like their opinion matters. When the JF 17 lands in Nigeria, you saffers can go and blow up the engine

The South-Africans bought a JF-17 for $67 million a unit, now they are pissed off. I mean....... i won't blame them, even i would be pissed.



Hence you see them making completely ridiculous comments like the JF-17 is an interceptor with multi-role tendencies, while the Gripen is a Swing-role fighter. ............. South-African delusion at it's finest.


They've struggled to raise common 9 pilots for their 26 Gripens in the last 16 years.


Won't you be pissed?

Exercise Obangame 2016 planning stage

Henry240:
The South-Africans bought a JF-17 for $67 million a unit, now they are pissed off. I mean....... i won't blame them, even i would be pissed.



Hence you see them making completely ridiculous comments like the JF-17 is an interceptor with multi-role tendencies, while the Gripen is a Swing-role fighter. ............. South-African delusion at it's finest.


They've struggled to raise common 9 pilots for their 26 Gripens in the last 16 years.


Won't you be pissed?

JF-17: a 3rd gen day-time interceptor (according to the Chinese and Janes):
Pakistan is offering the JF-17 for a low price ($25 million in the cheapest configuration) and touts the fact that this is a third the price of an F-16. But this is comparing apples and oranges. The low end JF-17 is little more than a day time interceptor.
http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/chinese-jf-17-is-a-cheap-competition-for-the-f-16.html


With Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif scheduled to visit Sri Lanka in the first week of January 2016, efforts to secure an agreement in principle for the sale of the JF-17 Thunder - a third-generation fighter
http://www.janes.com/article/56924/pakistan-pushes-for-jf-17-sale-to-sri-lanka


While the Gripen is a 4th gen swing-role fighter
The Gripen is described as a 4th generation swing-role fighter aircraft.
http://www.af.mil.za/equip/aircraft/gripen.htm

Facts are that not even China want to buy your "$25 million Gripen" and Argentina chose the 1970s Kfir over the JF-17.

NA SF