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bashsani:
yea pls research there are signs in previous books abt his coming especially the jews that have the previous books knw all these signs at the journey they met a knower of the book he observe the signs and warned them. I thought u knw the details of the journey if u don't pls research. I will compile some of the signs in the bible for u to decipher

pls do send them...
Not copy and paste please....
From the bible? I also ve a mark on my shoulder ,maybe it will match the description.

bashsani:
I accepted ur excuse on your illiteracy that the sun does not rotate, pls Google does the sun rotates?

Ur English is making this conversation hard. Do u mean the sun rotates round its orbit or around the earth.
The sun does not rotate round the earth, its the center of our solar system. The earth rotates round it not the other way round.

By the way, what does this even have to do with our conversation.

Regarding his illetracy
1. Read the hudabiyya treaty: when the jews ask the Prophet to erase messenger of God from his name in the treaty, His deciples umar said he can never use his own hand to erase that, the prophet had to b shown the spelling before he could erase it

You should post the verse or story here to make your point. Not tell me hearsay. And make sure its in the sahih hadith.

2. Khadija married him because of his sincerity not knowlegde

I did not say she married him for knowledge. Mohammed wanted money right from childhOod. Don't forget his parents died early and he was poor but trained by his uncle. After marrying khadija a very rich woman whom he also worked for and associated with her educated friends and relatives, he must have had some form of education. Deny if u want.

3.ther is difference between learned and intelligence mind you he never went to school and after the marriage relevations started coming, so no need to go school, pls research more on this, and even the author of most influential men agreed he is an illiterate despite bin a christian

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3.he did not copy he agreed and used it to call there attention just the way u are using the Quran. It doesn't matter if the talmud was written by man or God but that very verse has wide range of acceptance and the message is positive

U miss the point.
Allah claimed authorship of the message. While in truth it was a comment by Jewish men, not prophets in the man made talmud. I don't think u know what the talmud is.

And again let me remind you didn't answer the question asked if the verse has a positive message or negative and you did not tender your reference where you said the devil whispered into the Prophet ear and still you choose not to understand a simple logic you also use
And regarding all those allegation all are misconception and if you bring it forward one after the other I will clear all ur doubts and pls don't ask me another question until u answer mine. Thank you

I have grown tired of this topic. Let's tAlk about mohammeds marriage to baby aisha at age 6 and consummation at age 9.

Is this appropriate behavior for a good man. Having intercourse with a minor ?

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bashsani:
yea pls research there are signs in previous books abt his coming especially the jews that have the previous books knw all these signs at the journey they met a knower of the book he observe the signs and warned them. I thought u knw the details of the journey if u don't pls research. I will compile some of the signs in the bible for u to decipher

I really wish you wont bother using the Jews and their words as a basis of validation. These people had rejected and killed the Messiah (also prophesied too and God raised Him up) and had been blinded by a spirit of slumber as prophesied in Isaiah 29:10,11,12 and other like verses. Hence their interpretations of the law at this time was terribly flawed.

10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:10-12

bashsani:
yea pls research there are signs in previous books abt his coming especially the jews that have the previous books knw all these signs at the journey they met a knower of the book he observe the signs and warned them. I thought u knw the details of the journey if u don't pls research. I will compile some of the signs in the bible for u to decipher

Stop this al taquiya nonsense, mohamed did not hide his hallucination of being a 'prophet' from anyone. Infact the reason he hated the Jews was because he tried to convince them he was a prophet and they rejected him as a fake prophet that he truly was. And all the lies that muslims tell to suggest that mohammed was spoken off in the bible has been debunked several times in this forum.

parisbookaddict:
Ur English is making this conversation hard. Do u mean the sun rotates round its orbit or around the earth.
The sun does not rotate round the earth, its the center of our solar system. The earth rotates round it not the other way round.

By the way, what does this even have to do with our conversation.



You should post the verse or story here to make your point. Not tell me hearsay. And make sure its in the sahih hadith.


I did not say she married him for knowledge. Mohammed wanted money right from childhOod. Don't forget his parents died early and he was poor but trained by his uncle. After marrying khadija a very rich woman whom he also worked for and associated with her educated friends and relatives, he must have had some form of education. Deny if u want.


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U miss the point.
Allah claimed authorship of the message. While in truth it was a comment by Jewish men, not prophets in the man made talmud. I don't think u know what the talmud is.



I have grown tired of this topic. Let's tAlk about mohammeds marriage to baby aisha at age 6 and consummation at age 9.

Is this appropriate behavior for a good man. Having intercourse with a minor ?

I think I made it as clear as possible that yes the sun rotates, what's there so hard to understand and why complain tired when we've not reached a consensus, remember this is not just about you and me, it also includes all that follow/will follow this topic moreover you are doing God's work. I will explain for very last time pls seek the holy spirit's assistance .it was recently discovered that the sun rotates on its axis .my point here is if really Muhammad was a copy cat why didn't he agree with the philosophers and scientists or the general beliefs as at his time that the sun is static instead he opined that the sun just like the earth rotates.
You opined that He was only after riches, pls what's your proof,for in my little knowledge Muhammad lived a meager life and died a poor man despite been an influential person.
Again Pls present your points that God did copy or claim authorship rather than agree with the verse as a method of using their beliefs to convince them just as I insinuated
Lastly I still hold my stance that till you answer my questions is the verse passing a positive message or negative and your proof that devil whispered into His ears, till then I will not proceed to ur next presented topic.stay blessed

bashsani:
I think I made it as clear as possible that yes the sun rotates, what's there so hard to understand and why complain tired when we've not reached a consensus, remember this is not just about you and me, it also includes all that follow/will follow this topic moreover you are doing God's work. I will explain for very last time pls seek the holy spirit's assistance .it was recently discovered that the sun rotates on its axis .my point here is if really Muhammad was a copy cat why didn't he agree with the philosophers and scientists or the general beliefs as at his time that the sun is static instead he opined that the sun just like the earth rotates.
You opined that He was only after riches, pls what's your proof,for in my little knowledge Muhammad lived a meager life and died a poor man despite been an influential person.
Again Pls present your points that God did copy or claim authorship rather than agree with the verse as a method of using their beliefs to convince them just as I insinuated
Lastly I still hold my stance that till you answer my questions is the verse passing a positive message or negative and your proof that devil whispered into His ears, till then I will not proceed to ur next presented topic.stay blessed

Mohamed lived a meagre life ke? yet he married a sugar mummy. What then was the purpose for all the money he made from his arm robbery(caravan raiding) operations? Why was he collecting 20% of the booty in their jihad operations? He lived a meagre life yet he could afford to maintain eleven wives and numerous sex slaves. Why do you muslims enjoy ling to yourselves so much

Blackfire:
pls do send them...
Not copy and paste please....
From the bible? I also ve a mark on my shoulder ,maybe it will match the description.

I can see you people's numbers is increasing and that even makes it more interesting pls do this favor,im not really conversant with how NL works, help us make this public, for now I will only answer Parisbook as this is her page, pls make this public I'd like more audience. And remember we are doing this strictly to educate each other in fact I consider you people as friends, I know some of my so called brothers hate speeches are not commendable likewise some of your brothers too,so lets keep this very matured no insults and pls a question at a time

Annunaki:
Mohamed lived a meagre life ke? yet he married a sugar mummy. What then was the purpose for all the money he made from his arm robbery(caravan raiding) operations? Why was he collecting 20% of the booty in their jihad operations? He lived a meagre life yet he could afford to maintain eleven wives and numerous sex slaves. Why do you muslims enjoy ling to yourselves so much

I will not attempt to answer your questions because u failed the criteria,so debate constructively devoid of insult. Reshuffle your question

bashsani:
I will not attempt to answer your questions because u failed the criteria,so debate constructively devoid of insult. Reshuffle your question

Kindly point out the insult in my statement so I can remove it

Annunaki:
Kindly point out the insult in my statement so I can remove it

sugar mummy ,armed robber and it's not polite atleast to me it's blasphemous

bashsani:
sugar mummy ,armed robber and it's not polite atleast to me it's blasphemous

But the hadiths recorded that he married a wealthy woman who was 15 years older than he was and he also raided caravans for loot. In today's parlance that is sugar mummy and armed robbery no matter how you want to window dress it. I don't consider it an insult as I am stating obvious facts from authentic islamic sources.

bashsani:
I can see you people's numbers is increasing and that even makes it more interesting pls do this favor,im not really conversant with how NL works, help us make this public, for now I will only answer Parisbook as this is her page, pls make this public I'd like more audience. And remember we are doing this strictly to educate each other in fact I consider you people as friends, I know some of my so called brothers hate speeches are not commendable likewise some of your brothers too,so lets keep this very matured no insults and pls a question at a time

u damn right people are increasing, people now question Islam, thanks to internet, translation of quran and hadiths, and thousands if not millions leaving Islam, some are still among the Muslims who cant come out because of the fatwa of death..
Many after studying Islam.. Saw the atrocities of mohamed(peace be upon him) they just cant believe they are told to copy and emulate him and never to question him..even the sufis distance themselves from the violence of mohamed.
On insult no one, insult better than the Muslim, when your questions seems to uproot the very lies Islam is built upon.
...am still waiting for the mark on his shoulder that prove that mohamed is a prophet... From the bible. Please no copy and paste.

Before this this thread will close, even u will start questioning Islam... Your life will never remain the same.

Salam

Annunaki:
But the hadiths recorded that he married a wealthy woman who was 15 years older than he was and he also raided caravans for loot. In today's parlance that is sugar mummy and armed robbery no matter how you want to window dress it. I don't consider it an insult as I am stating obvious facts from authentic islamic sources.

someone instead of wearing cloth decides to go stark n.aked from his house to the market,people were astonished .... His children came back and started blaming and attacking people for blasphemy.

Abeg no be wetin happen people talk.

Open minded Muslims are shocked at the circum cracum of bunkun bunkun in the quran, that makes them go higi haga.

How far ? Long time no see.. . Hope u are coping well with Nigeria situation.

Scholar8200:
I really wish you wont bother using the Jews and their words as a basis of validation. These people had rejected and killed the Messiah (also prophesied too and God raised Him up) and had been blinded by a spirit of slumber as prophesied in Isaiah 29:10,11,12 and other like verses. Hence their interpretations of the law at this time was terribly flawed.

10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:10-12

so who is under slumber here, the Jews (mohamed called pigs) or chritains (who are kaffris that must be killed) or Muslims (who believe the worst sin is when u don't bow to Allah)..

Or me that is asking the question, or u?

Blackfire:
someone instead of wearing cloth decides to go stark n.aked from his house to the market,people were astonished .... His children came back and started blaming and attacking people for blasphemy.

Abeg no be wetin happen people talk.

Open minded Muslims are shocked at the circum cracum of bunkun bunkun in the quran, that makes them go higi haga.

How far ? Long time no see.. . Hope u are coping well with Nigeria situation.

islamic logic is really ridiculous.
Meanwhile you never answered my question on if you are a former muslim, abi you are afraid of fatwa based on their apotasy laws? even the meccan side of the story thread remains abandoned

true2god:
The Jews are very tolerant, they should have sued allahh and mohammed for copyright violation. A whole lot of the quran was copied from the Judeo-christian scriptures.
Shame on mohammed and allahh, they lack originality.

allahh is a counterfeiter and that is the character of the Devil. A high occultist who has now accepted Jesus said when he was working with satan, he discovered that he has the counterfeits of all the angels of God.

Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc the quran mentions are counterfeits of the ones in the Bible.

"By their fruits you shall know them" - Jesus in the Bible.
Islam has produced more evil in the world than all other world religions combined. - Fact.
Only self-centered people would want to have anything to do with islam. It is basically a cult like fraternities in Nigerian universities. Thrives on fear and blackmail. Favours oppressors only. Will be destroyed by its own self-centered ideologies in time. An end time plague soon to be punished.

Blackfire:
someone instead of wearing cloth decides to go stark n.aked from his house to the market,people were astonished .... His children came back and started blaming and attacking people for blasphemy.

Abeg no be wetin happen people talk.

Open minded Muslims are shocked at the circum cracum of bunkun bunkun in the quran, that makes them go higi haga.

How far ? Long time no see.. . Hope u are coping well with Nigeria situation.

HahahahahahahahaHHHa Mr Black no break my ribs abeg.

@parisbookaddict why are you speechless ,it just starts getting interesting

kay1one2:
"By their fruits you shall know them" - Jesus in the Bible.
Islam has produced more evil in the world than all other world religions combined. - Fact.
Only self-centered people would want to have anything to do with islam. It is basically a cult like fraternities in Nigerian universities. Thrives on fear and blackmail. Favours oppressors only. Will be destroyed by its own self-centered ideologies in time. An end time plague soon to be punished.

so this dunce still exist.longtime

parisbookaddict:
There is a popular verse on a lot of pro Islamic propaganda websites that defend Islam(even obama has used the verse to defend islam), The popular delivery of the verse says;

From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew
the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved
the life of the whole people.”



a muslim bashsani tried using it on me just now.

The Fuller context says;
Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the
Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul
slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain
mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has
given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to
them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit
excesses in the earth.
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His
Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they
shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall
alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land.
That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come
awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know
you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

That verse is plagiarism from the Jewish Talmud: “Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.” Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)


What muslims ignore is that the Talmud is not considered to be the word of God. It is the recorded teachings of Sanhedrin, the high council of rabbis.

So why does Allah says “WE prescribed for the Children of Israel…”?
The deity of the Quran is claiming ownership of something he never said. This leaves us with few options:

1- Allah has plagiarized the teachings of the rabbis.
2- He was confused and had forgotten that those words were not his.
3- This verse is not from God. Muhammad admitted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were from God. Could this verse be one of those satanic verses?
4- Muhammad lied; the Quran is not the word of God.

There is no other option to explain why Allah claims ownership of a verse that he never said. The quote is not in the Bible; it is from Talmud and Talmud is not considered to be the word of God.

all what u typed above is rubbish....give me points from quran or one of ur versionated BIBLES....not mohammed is a liar without any prove...THAT AN EMPTY WORD.

parisbookaddict:
There is a popular verse on a lot of pro Islamic propaganda websites that defend Islam(even obama has used the verse to defend islam), The popular delivery of the verse says;

From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew
the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved
the life of the whole people.”



a muslim bashsani tried using it on me just now.

The Fuller context says;
Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the
Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul
slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain
mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has
given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to
them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit
excesses in the earth.
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His
Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they
shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall
alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land.
That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come
awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know
you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

That verse is plagiarism from the Jewish Talmud: “Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.” Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)


What muslims ignore is that the Talmud is not considered to be the word of God. It is the recorded teachings of Sanhedrin, the high council of rabbis.

So why does Allah says “WE prescribed for the Children of Israel…”?
The deity of the Quran is claiming ownership of something he never said. This leaves us with few options:

1- Allah has plagiarized the teachings of the rabbis.
2- He was confused and had forgotten that those words were not his.
3- This verse is not from God. Muhammad admitted that sometimes Satan came and whispered some verses to him that he thought were from God. Could this verse be one of those satanic verses?
4- Muhammad lied; the Quran is not the word of God.

There is no other option to explain why Allah claims ownership of a verse that he never said. The quote is not in the Bible; it is from Talmud and Talmud is not considered to be the word of God.

and it didn't occur to your dumb brain that they may have gotten it God

tartar9:
so this dunce still exist.longtime

U need to see a therapist.

OLAJADON:
all what u typed above is rubbish....give me points from quran or one of ur versionated BIBLES....not mohammed is a liar without any prove...THAT AN EMPTY WORD.

Firstly mohammed lied about being a prophet. A simple look at storied from the quran and how it is plagiarized from apocryphal books will prove this point.
He also recommend to his followers to lie about being muslims (I.e pretend to be onmuslims) to mix freely with the non muslims, avoid prosecution. A lot of Shias now practise this as al taqiyya to promote Islam.
There are many other instances but you know already if u read ur hadiths.
Finally,
Have u ever slept with a child?

Robbed a caravan,

Raped a married woman who you killed her
people,

slept with your son's ex wife,

beheaded people,
bought or sold a slave,

killed someone
who insulted you.

If you have never done this
then you are a better person than mohammed.

Mohammed was a very intelligent con man and
false prophet who got rich and amassed women
through terror and al taqiyya.

parisbookaddict:
Firstly mohammed lied about being a prophet. A simple look at storied from the quran and how it is plagiarized from apocryphal books will prove this point.
He also recommend to his followers to lie about being muslims (I.e pretend to be onmuslims) to mix freely with the non muslims, avoid prosecution. A lot of Shias now practise this as al taqiyya to promote Islam.
There are many other instances but you know already if u read ur hadiths.
Finally,
Have u ever slept with a child?

Robbed a caravan,

Raped a married woman who you killed her
people,

slept with your son's ex wife,

beheaded people,
bought or sold a slave,

killed someone
who insulted you.

If you have never done this
then you are a better person than mohammed.

Mohammed was a very intelligent con man and
false prophet who got rich and amassed women
through terror and al taqiyya.

shia are not muslims....give me points from quran or bible ....I DONT WANT YOUR IDEA OR CONCLUSION.....
IT IS USELESS TO ME.

kay1one2:
U need to see a therapist.

tell that to this useless whôre parisbookaddict

OLAJADON:
shia are not muslims....give me points from quran or bible ....I DONT WANT YOUR IDEA OR CONCLUSION.....
IT IS USELESS TO ME.

Iran is a Islamic republic run by shia muslims. U sunnis hate shias because of a 1400 year old family succession fued., and u have been killing shia ever since.

Whether u agree or not, shias are muslims.

parisbookaddict:
Iran is a Islamic republic run by shia muslims. U sunnis hate shias because of a 1400 year old family succession fued., and u have been killing shia ever since.

Whether u agree or not, shias are muslims.

since u nt ready to accept the fact then i have ntin to say to u....d decision is urz to make.

@ Scholar8200,

Bro,what you quoted above is too high of a revelation,those verses are too loaded for even allahh aka al shaytan to understand ,though he knows

Sometimes one thinks he has seen enough of the bible then another revelation comes that makes all he knows seem like a childplay.
Good insight there but the muslim guy here can never understand those verses except he be helped by God

By the way i was getting some hunches from the revelation of parisbookaddict ,there is so much as regards what she wrote about muhamed in connection to satan,(more like the frame work of satanic deceiption,)ut i am not so much of a lengthy writter so.i rest my pen

parisbookaddict:
Firstly mohammed lied about being a prophet. A simple look at storied from the quran and how it is plagiarized from apocryphal books will prove this point.
He also recommend to his followers to lie about being muslims (I.e pretend to be onmuslims) to mix freely with the non muslims, avoid prosecution. A lot of Shias now practise this as al taqiyya to promote Islam.
There are many other instances but you know already if u read ur hadiths.
Finally,
Have u ever slept with a child?

Robbed a caravan,

Raped a married woman who you killed her
people,

slept with your son's ex wife,

beheaded people,
bought or sold a slave,

killed someone
who insulted you.

If you have never done this
then you are a better person than mohammed.

Mohammed was a very intelligent con man and
false prophet who got rich and amassed women
through terror and al taqiyya.

Are the biblical characters any better.

parisbookaddict:
Firstly mohammed lied about being a prophet. A simple look at storied from the quran and how it is plagiarized from apocryphal books will prove this point.
He also recommend to his followers to lie about being muslims (I.e pretend to be onmuslims) to mix freely with the non muslims, avoid prosecution. A lot of Shias now practise this as al taqiyya to promote Islam.
There are many other instances but you know already if u read ur hadiths.
Finally,
Have u ever slept with a child?

Robbed a caravan,

Raped a married woman who you killed her
people,

slept with your son's ex wife,

beheaded people,
bought or sold a slave,

killed someone
who insulted you.

If you have never done this
then you are a better person than mohammed.

Mohammed was a very intelligent con man and
false prophet who got rich and amassed women
through terror and al taqiyya.

Have u ever told someone to kill his child

Have u ever threatened to torment someone for not loving u.

Have u ever killed someone for touching something which you ordered the person not to touch even though the person was trying to help(uzzah and the Ark of covenant. The Ark of covenant was about to fall and uzzah tried to stop it from falling and God decided to strike him dead for his help)

Have u ever ordered babies. Pregnant women and men to be slaughters.

Have u ever crippled horses

If u haven't done any of these things then you are. A ............



................ Better person than YAHWEH