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Show me ONE verse that RECOMMENDS the extant bible to the prophet (saw). Allah says that Muslims are enjoined to believe in the earlier REVEALED scriptures; the fact that there were prophets and that their revelations were from God... eg INJEEL; not letters from Paul to his sheep.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from God,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” [al-Baqarah 2:79]

Guess which 'book' the above verse is referring to.

Trustworthiness:
We Muslims have clear understanding of what the Quran says. Mere looking at what you type in your post already shows you are trying to translate the verse of the Quran to suite your bigot mind. See below the true translation and explanation of one of the verses you quoted below:

Quran 10:94. And if you (O reader!) are in doubt regarding that which We have revealed to you, ask those who have read this Book (- the Qur’ân) before you. (They will tell you that) there has, in fact, come to you the perfect truth from your Lord, so be not of the contenders at all.

tartar9:
they are following the footsteps from that accursed Fool paul(the curse of Allah(SA) forever remains upon him) they learn their deceits from the Beast!

Ifeann:
Truthman2012 is a brilliant guy. Rilwayne U can only wish to have a fraction of truthman's intellect..
Anyway truthman and malvisguy212 and a host of other Christians explained the questions u raised in that thread, yet u want ifeann to come and give u more explanations. Why the exceptionally smart men have already answered u.

But I remember I did ask u there, why did Islamic allah claim he was going to terminate isa's life. U could NOT answer that, ask ur allah why isa had to die.

Ask ur allah why he claims he took isa up to paradise, why is he soo important.. Mohammed was poisoned and died with an erec.tion on the bosoms of Aisha according to ur filthy hadiths while isa's life was terminated and he was taken to paradise and ur quran says ur islamic allah made someone else die instead of him. Why?? Why is isa so important ??

Trustworthiness:
We Muslims have clear understanding of what the Quran says. Mere looking at what you type in your post already shows you are trying to translate the verse of the Quran to suite your bigot mind. See below the true translation and explanation of one of the verses you quoted below:

Quran 10:94. And if you (O reader!) are in doubt regarding that which We have revealed to you, ask those who have read this Book (- the Qur’ân) before you. (They will tell you that) there has, in fact, come to you the perfect truth from your Lord, so be not of the contenders at all.

فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ

Explanation:

10:94 “And if you are in doubt”(فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ); in doubt is that particular reader of the Holy Book who because of his limited Divine knowledge is unable to grasp the underlying meanings and the message. If someone is unable to understand the message being conveyed, he is advised to refer to the explanation given by the people blessed with Divine knowledge. As such people may be difficult to find in the age of the reader, the reader is told to refer to the explanations given by the learned of the past; “who were before him”. This verse is under attack by Christian missionaries, and is one of their favourite to try and prove that the Holy Prophet was in great doubt, so he should consult the learned of the past; Christians and Jews. Some simple minded Muslims get easily convinced and are misled with this argument and start to think that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is being addressed here,however, this is not the case. Neither 94 nor 95 are being addressed to the Holy Prophet (pbuh), but to the readers of the Holy Qur'ân endowed with less knowledge and weak in belief. The meaning of this becomes clear when we read the admonition in verse 95: “Be not of those who cry lies to the messages of Allâh” (Râzî). The Holy Prophet never cried lies to the messages he received from the Exalted One. It is the reader who out of lack of knowledge and misunderstanding rejects the messages of the Holy Qur’ân. Moreover, in the words, “Which We have revealed to you” no doubt tells us that the recipient of the Revelation was the Holy Prophet and not the reader; still it is not a proof that the Holy Prophet is being addressed here. Careful reading of the following verses makes the subject matter clear. The opening words of the next section we read: “Say, O you people! If you are in doubt regarding my creed,” (10:104) refer to those addressed in 10:94. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) is said to have the greatest certainty about the Revelation which he received and never doubted. Similarly in 17:23 we read “Your Lord has enjoined you to be good to parents". Here too the reader is being addressed, and not the Holy Prophet (pbuh) who was an orphan child.

Trustworthiness:
[s]I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.

In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.

That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".

Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.

In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.[/s]

Ifeann:
Wow wow.. In ur bid to regurgitate what ur imam and those Islam propaganda sites tell u, u are contradicting Islamic allah and his Mohammed..

Listen I don't care what Mohammed (the fraud) says but I just have to remind you that the manuscripts dated back to Mohammeds time are the same ones that form the bible we use today. .

Mohammed in a bid to win christains And jews affirmed the torah and injeel..he even claimed Allah wrote the Torah and all those war verses
See the evidence below.. From hadiths and ur quran..

"Allah" claims to have written the Torah (which includes Genesis) with
his own hand as Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Adam and
Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are
our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then
Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to
you directly) and HE WROTE (the Torah) for you with HIS OWN HAND.
Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty
years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted
Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.
(Bukhari, 8.77.611)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as
saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to
Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of
Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for
direct conversation with you) and WROTE with HIS OWN HAND the Book
(Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had
ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle
(may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam came the better of
Moses and Adam came the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6409)
Abu Hurairah reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him)
as saying: Adam and Moses held a disputation. Moses said: Adam you
are our father. You deprived us and caused us to come out from
Paradise. Adam said: You are Moses Allah chose you for his speech and
WROTE the Torah for you WITH HIS HAND. Do you blame me for doing a
deed which Allah had decreed that I should do forty year before he
created me? So Adam got the better of Moses in argument. Ahmad b.
Salih said from 'Amr from Tawus who heard Abu Hurairah. (Abi Dawud,
41.4684)
It is hardly surprising then to read the following in Kitab al-Sunna,
which many Muslims believe to have been written by ‘Abduallah b.
Ahmad, the son of the famed Ahmad b. Hanbal, but which in any case
shows how at least some Muslims took teachings of this sort.
"Allah wrote the Torah for Moses with His hand while leaning back on a
rock, on tablets of pearl, and the screech of the quill could be heard.
There was no veil between Him and him," (Vol. 1, p. 294)
So, Allah writes two contradictory books: Qur'an and Bible? This is the
"father" Muslims want us to believe in! The Muslim god is not even a
father to Muslims as he claims to have no children, rather only slaves
(Muslims).


incase if u are one of those quranists who reject the hadith, here is
proof of your quran affirming the torah and injeel.

Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light (Surah
5:44a; 2:87).
And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps,
confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming
that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) (Surah 5:46).
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses)
and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He
sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah
3:3).
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask
those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath
indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then
wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Anas09:
These muslims are really dafts. The truth is stearing u in the face yet u choose to believe a lie. Anyways. Like god like followers. Liars.

babylolaroy:
this is very sick. could you please notice how the last sentence applies to you? What in the world is the problem with you people. nobody will see this victimization now o, its when muslims talk back that people begin the talk about violence. If you think we have a muslim god who is not a father...right.
if you think your religion is better..fine. stop with the Allah, Muhammad insult. you should know its biblically unethical. Muhammad has done you no wrong, neither have the muslims.

tartar9:
they are following the footsteps from that accursed Fool paul(the curse of Allah(SA) forever remains upon him) they learn their deceits from the Beast!

tartar9:
the pooaul whomsoever it was,that accursed thing who opened his rotten an*s to write or to rewrite those wretched Blashphemous pagan filth they call letters or epistles filled with all manner of stupidity.

Lol. The xtian that can make me not answer any question on my faith is not born.

No offence, but I found those questions silly and repetitive. I have no patience for minds that need continuous repetition to grasp a point.

truthman2012:
If you call it recycling, we will keep it up till the truth sinks into your system.

plappville:
Muhammad has done the world wrong. Turn families childless. Children homeless ecetera. What are you talking about. "Peace should not be upon him" but "stress ". He is in hell. A rapist, child molest pedophile. Caravan raider, murderer ecetera. .you dont lnow him or what?

plappville:
Exactly.

babylolaroy:
This guy has to be daft. "families childless". whatever, so far as common sense isnt general. i cant blame you for not having a share of it. if muslims were taught terrorism. you'd be dead by now

Recycling an old topic after it has been treated before seems to be your trademark. What did you not understand about explanations in the former discussion on this topic? Or are you trying to get us to ignore the post so you can crow over how Muslims cannot answer you?

For the nth time. The Qur'an states that the Injeel was given to Jesus which he preached (Rilwayne001 opened a thread on that, you people did not know what to say). The Bible is a collection of picked, mostly anonymously written 'scripture', chosen arbitrarily from among thousands of similar 'scriptures' by the Nicean council in the 4th century CE to affirm the established doctrine of the trinitarian church. The Injeel cannot therefore, be the same as the bible.

Jesus never read or preached the 'New Testament'; he preached the words of the injeel. Therefore, the Injeel cannot be the Bible.

Jesus did not write anything of the Injeel down; therefore the Bible cannot be the Injeel. It can only contain part of it.

Some of the traditions within the extant bible, relating to his sayings, MIGHT be true. It is impossible to extract sand from garri now. So we see it as corrupted (see definition of corrupted in the dictionary). It is a common fallacy that Muslims say that the entire bible is false; we say it is corrupted; that is, other doctrines have been mixed in.

God does not make mistakes or contradict himself. The Bible; both OT and NT are full of errors, contradictions and mistakes. Therefore the bible cannot be the Injeel given to Jesus by God.

Once more, for the sake of the blind, deaf, dumb and mentally challenged, Allah endorsed the Injeel, NOT the extant Bible.

Lastly, I have no respect for any person who says that the Quran should be verified, while he believes in a bible that has no certainty of authorship... even according to bible scholars. It shows that he/she is so blind to the beam in his/ her eyes, that there is no way I can expect him/ her to point out any purported speck in mine.

Now wait 2 days then go open another robotic thread on the same topic; copy-pasting the same tired narrative from the same tired website.

truthman2012:
Stop lying my friend. Allah was referring Muhammad to readers of the earlier scriptures before the quran, according to 10:94.

Answer these questions and your lies will be exposed:

Who read or knew the quran before Muhammad that allah was referring him to?

How could allah refer him to readers of quran that was just being formed at that time?

Who knew the quran better than Muhammad, the receiver of the revelation that allah would be referring to?

Because of the many errors in the quran, which muslims are trying to cover up these days by translating and re-translating, in no long time, the whole of the quran will be changed.

When will you stop deceiving yourselves?

Trustworthiness:
In this verse you quoted, we Muslims believe in what was revealed to all the prophets from God and not what they called the book of God that as have been tampered with or written by themselves. See below.



Quran 2:136. Say, ‘We believe in Allâh and in that (the Qur’ân) which has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ismâîl and Isaac and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and (we believe) in what was given to (all other) Prophets from their Lord. We (while believing in them) make no discrimination between anyone of them, and to Him do we submit ourselves entirely.’

قُولُوا آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

Explanation:

2:136 This verse also relates the cosmopolitan nature of Qur’ânic teaching. All prophets of Allâh and all revelations coming from Him must be accepted; no distinction is to be made between one prophet and any other. The Holy Qur’ân recognizes the prophet of the Jews and the Christians, and the prophets of all the other nations. The Jew thinks that God revealed the truth only to the Israelites; The Christian thinks that the truth was revealed only to Jesus; The Hindu thinks that God revealed the truth only to the sages of India and Zoroastrian thinks that the truth was revealed to Zoroaster alone. The Buddhists are no different. It is part of the merit of Islam that it is the only religion that recognizes the prophets of all countries and of all nations, and of all times.

tartar9:
they are following the footsteps from that accursed Fool paul(the curse of Allah(SA) forever remains upon him) they learn their deceits from the Beast!

unphilaz:
Please am I seeing contradiction by the two Muslim...one claims revealed scriptures from prophets while the other redefine the verse to mean the Koran...some confusion here

babylolaroy:
This guy has to be daft. "families childless". whatever, so far as common sense isnt general. i cant blame you for not having a share of it. if muslims were taught terrorism. you'd be dead by now

olayinkadavid70:
to Hy are u cursing him like this when Mohammed himself is a cursed person, even your Allah is cursed, moha-MAD is a mad man.

olayinkadavid70:
u are absolutely saying rubbish, u are saying what your imam and scholars are saying, what is your proof that the Bible has been corrupted, I see u are deluded, worthless human being

olayinkadavid70:
Thank u very much for the questions u have her, Muslims always think they are wise, how foolish they are, let her answer the question, she think she's smart., I don't just know why they keep hardening their heart against the truth.