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| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Lyoncrescent: 7:57pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I am no economist but I see some cherry picking in some of his points. There's a difference between a rule and am exception. Using Vietnam, south korea, russia and Japan as examples doesn't show if they are the rule or the exception and and as such to equate them with the Nigerian situation considering the different socio economic factors make his arguments vague. For every country he used to justify his arguments who is to say there are not other countries that can be used to counter his argument ? Cherry picking at its Best. I must however agree that some of his points are valid |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by abbey621(m): 7:58pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Devaluation has and will always be a scam. Even in countries like China and South Africa it never works out as these countries are having to devalue their currencies over and over again, in the end sound economic policies and a restriction on exports while diversifying the economy is the way to go. If the price of Oil increased all the way to $60 or $80 per barrel nobody would be talking about devaluation, this is the biggest evidence that the whole thing is a scam! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by condralbede(m): 8:02pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Ok...nice article |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 8:07pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
abbey621:On imports you mean? I do understand your skepticism. Japan embarked on a series of devaluation of the Yen in other to make its exports cheaper, while that policy worked, it created another problem. It led to stagnation in the domestic economy and they have not recovered after so many years. Right now, the Japanese economy is bleeding heavily and its market suffering losses in value On the other hand, in theory, devaluation can help to stimulate the export economy, my problem is how it is managed in Nigeria. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by emmchi(m): 8:08pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
All I know is that the economy is getting worse.When someone earns N90,000 as a salary and used to spend N45000 for foodstuffs but now spends N55000 for the same foodstuffs. Even to a lame man,he knows is bad. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by san316(m): 8:13pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I will disagree with the author regarding exchange rate. If your currency cannot compete favorably against the dollae compared to other countries, it is weak. Take for instance zimbabwe. The countries he gave as examples are able to grow in gdp because they are manufacturing economies. They manufacture lots of commodities and export as well. But Nigeria and most African countries only export crude oil and import every other thing, that is why exchange rate changes significantly affect cost of commodity in the country. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by lionshare: 8:15pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
If according to the articulate difference between official and black markets rates causes inflation what are the suggestions to reduce the difference to the barest minimum? Also, I believe alot of our imports goes unrecorded, consider the massive corruption at the seaports and ever porous borders (Seme), but one have to agree we have an export issue though. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by oyalunasamuel(m): 8:17pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Nice article but got nothing to do with the above article GoldenDr: |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by paranorman(m): 8:18pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:good argument. The question is: has/can anything been/be properly managed in country(by government)? We play politics with almost everything. I just tire. I don't support devaluation, no! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 8:21pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:Except the author is right on both points, and you're wrong - which is as to be expected, seeing as the author has a PhD in economics. Still, good work in finding and posting the article. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 8:24pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:Japan's economic problems have nothing to do with devaluation, and everything to do with Japan's aging demographics. The ratio of retirees to working-age Japanese continues to expand, while the total population has been in decline for the last few years. Fewer workers means that even though productivity per worker increases, total output may not expand correspondingly. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by abbey621(m): 8:25pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:When I say restriction on exports I meant our dependence on oil. We need to restrict this and force diversification. Imports I'm not worried about because when compared to other countries Nigeria still ranks average on imports and our imports are mainly for things we could grow locally such as tomato paste, rice and so on. When we diversify and look into other natural resources our economy automatically becomes stronger like it was in the 1960s and 70s. For example, what ever happened to the export of palm oil, cocoa and tomatoes? Now that Oil is inching closer to $20 per barrel, it makes sense to look into alternatives before it is too late. Devaluation would only give us a false sense of hope and security, it would only prolong the inevitable doomsday! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by jaybee3(m): 8:28pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
ladyF:Educative not educating All you had to do was pay a little bit more attention to your submission instead of rushing to post your usual jargon |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Wallie(m): 8:28pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:This is just half the story! South Korea weakened their currency to make their goods cheaper abroad. Same with other East Asian countries! Can you imagine if South Korea has a really strong currency? That may mean that Samsung Galaxy will be more expensive than an iPhone and Kia will be more expensive than a Mercedes Benz. When you don’t make anything, you want a stronger currency as evidenced by Kuwait, Bahrain, Pounds, etc. A stronger currency means cheaper imports. seunmsg:Maybe not in those countries but it will in Nigeria because we import everything. seunmsg:You know what they say about statistics.... To get a meaningful comparison with Nigeria, I would think you'd want to look at countries with similar trade deficits and not import to GDP ratio. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by olaolaking: 8:29pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I disagree with the Op on many areas |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by mikolo80: 8:31pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:you don't seem to get what the PhD is saying. naira value has halved. have prices of goods doubled? only the rich import (very small minority) our goal should be increased productivity (factories and farms) |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by seunmsg(op): 8:32pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:I have modified my post to give reasons for my position. The major reason why I opened the thread is to expand the discussion and read the views of others. So, my opinion is just my opinion. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Wallie(m): 8:38pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
mikolo80:And where do you get the machinery, seed, raw materials, clothing you need to survive? Take a look around you, you'd be hard pressed to name two things that are wholly manufactured in Nigeria. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Sanchase: 8:41pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Devaluation of a country's currency is not good economics. Your currency is your power, hold unto it.. Ever wondered why developed countries are still a safe haven, its due to their currency. All countries experience decline in currency at some point but your ability to stabilize it makes that huge difference. Devaluation of Naira is not acceptable, exercising control of Forex trade is the key, the stakeholders in the market need to be scrutinized. Opening up the economy for foreign investors to bring in businesses will strengthen the Naira. SAYNOTODEVALUATION... |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by emeeco(m): 8:44pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:The analysis is incomplete. It does not try to give a policy advise, given the peculiarities of the Nigerian economy. The analysis in a way has the ability to make people think the writer supports devaluation. My question for the writer is, what impact would devaluation have given our economic structure. Also, you have not just an export problem when import values exceed export values. That is also an import problem. Cos the ideal is for your exports to pay for you import. Now it can't. So you can say it's an import problem, or call it an export problem and still be right. I.e. Import problem can be same at export problem. Your choice of what to call it only shows the school of thought and policy choice you support. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Nobody: 8:47pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Good article.....but countries like South Korea and Japan devalue because they have something to export. Nigeria has nothing to export but oil....whose price we cannot control. That's why this government has to focus a lot on getting the power sector fixed, and getting us back on the manufacturing path. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 8:53pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:Thanks. I've gone back and re-read your modified post. My problem with your first point is that any worthwhile exports will require the importation of the necessary inputs, which means that in the short term inputs may well increase, and that increase may happen even faster than exports do. Countries like South Korea, Japan and Taiwan have next to no native natural resources, not even iron ore, and if their politicians had insisted on keeping imports as low as possible, these countries would never have become export powerhouses. The Nigerian prejudice against imports - one clearly shared by Buhari - is incredibly damaging to economic growth, and his import-restricting policies are actually opposed by most of the domestic manufacturers on whose behalf the policies are supposedly for, especially the smaller manufacturers without government connections to get around the restrictions. The claim that it is being done to restrain inflation is utterly wrong: as Obikili points out, the feed-through effect of a devaluation isn't 1-to-1, and central banks have other tools at reach for fighting inflation. On the other hand, what happens when domestic manufacturers can't import the materials and tools they need to keep producing? Their goods become scarce on the market, and the prices skyrocket correspondingly - producing the very runaway inflation the anti-importation policy was supposed to combat. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by tomdon(m): 8:55pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
pls sirs how doea the difference between the official exchange rate and the black market exchange rate drive inflation |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 8:56pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:It is a contributory factor, at least a precursor to the challenge of an aging population. The devaluation of the Yen helped them to improve competitiveness and gain a comparative advantage to their competitors a la S.Korea etc. It however changed the economic dynamics, the Japanese became a low consumption and high saving economy- which means the country cannot stimulate its economy by domestic demand. Additionally, other innate causes include the heavily bureaucratic nature of governance of the economy. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by oduastates: 8:58pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Lyoncrescent:One of these brain washed and selfish textbook economist once used Russia as a case study. Russia , a country who laughed off western sanctions . Even though it hurts , their patriotism to their country made them look inwards to the neglected sectors of their economy. A country capable of manufacturing almost everything on the planet. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by banio: 9:00pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I could not go tru the leght of the piece, solely because it won't make #1=$1. Now we know that PMB was metaphoric when he promise #1=$1, all he meant was free fall of the naira |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 9:01pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:The thing is, old people who fully own their homes and are done raising their children aren't going to be doing much active consuming. Without a baby boom or an increase in immigration, nothing Japan does will change the overall picture, devaluation or otherwise. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by emeeco(m): 9:05pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:I've never heard the anti-import policy is meant to check inflation, rather it's meant to reduce demands for Forex for some items. Raw materials and essential imports still get FOREX. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by seunmsg(op): 9:09pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
mikolo80:Prices of goods doesn't have to double before the ordinary people begin to feel the impact of inflation. Wages have been stagnant since 2011 so, any percentage increase in inflation will result in hardship for the people. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 9:13pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
abbey621:Ok I get you now. I agree that diversification is crucial. However, diversification to what? Commodities? It will lead to the same problem in future if there is fall in price. With the world economy gradually embracing sustainability and reduction in fossil fuels, a focus in solid minerals will have consequences in the long term. You mentioned agric products, this is a good point but we still import some of our food commodities so an increase in domestic production will at best reduce imports and fill the domestic demand gap. I will opine that Nigeria focuses on technology, manufacturing and gradually graduate to a smart economy. I was reading an article earlier, the author explained that if Mark Zuckerberg was Nigerian, his facebook project would have failed because of the export oriented syndrome of Nigerians. Nigerians are not patient and do not allow local businesses to improve the value of their products over time. They may be Islamists and trouble makers but The Saudis are already thinking ahead. In the last 10 years, they have invested billions of dollars in IT and their Universities, especially STEM courses to increase their competitiveness. A lot of R& D activities are going on in the country. I'm not too sure what the outcome will be but they are making an effort. Nigeria is blessed with talents, locally and internationally. I dont see any reason why we cannot engage in innovation which incidentally might not require as much capital as investments in oil exploration or solid minerals. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 9:18pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:You are correct. Japan's insular perspective is a major flaw They might also argue that it has enabled them to maintain a cohesive society. |
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