₦airaland Forum

asha80:
I dont think so guy because I read somewhere where umahi complained about slow pace of work on the nkalagu rd(road that leads to the cement factory) which is actually a federal rd..from the article he was rebuking a Chinese company..i dont think a Chinese company in ebonyi is direct labour

You're right. It is the combination of the two but direct labor takes 90% of the workforce being done.

Orjioorji:
south east governors executing projects even with the little the bias federal govt give them, while those who collect large money because of infiltrated population figure have nothing to show for it.

Like which state, but note that states like bayelsa and rivers, share the larger parts from the excess crude oil account. Even with that all development in the SS and SE combined can not match up with Lagos, because we are wise and always allow visionary leaders to rule us.

achi4u:
You're right. It is the combination of the two but direct labor takes 90% of the workforce being done.

ok I hope he is not only focusing on abakiliki and ignoring the rural areas as most governors are want to do..did enonyi recently take a loan?

asha80:
I dont think so guy because I read somewhere where umahi complained about slow pace of work on the nkalagu rd(road that leads to the cement factory) which is actually a federal rd..from the article he was rebuking a Chinese company..i dont think a Chinese company in ebonyi is direct labour

You're right. It is the combination of the two but direct labor takes 90 %of the workforce being done.

This man is doing wonders, he has transformed the city and still doing more. He makes less noise about his achievements. Ebonyians are quiet pleased with him. Night in Abakaliki city is beautiful having ensured that all nook and crannies of the city has smooth access road and accompanying functional street lighting. Thank you Dave for your achievements so far and yea, he is also rehabilitating some of the roads in the rural areas.

In as much as this looks good(especially for d governor politically), I think every government construction job should be effectively supervised by competent Quality control and Quality assurrance engineers employed by the government for various disciplines. This is standard practice, even our multinational companies here in Nigeria do it to ensure quality job delivery, by so doing the governor does not need to go to every site and start measuring, afterall how many points can he measure and when he leaves there who measures the rest? All this na show biz sha . God bless my country.

asha80:
ok I hope he is not only focusing on abakiliki and ignoring the rural areas as most governors are want to do..did enonyi recently take a loan?

Never heard of taking any loan from any quarter but the issue of paying revenue is the order of the day.
He wants the state to sustain itself and I like his idea of not blowing his own trumpet, his works speaks for him.
In the issue of rural areas, he is still opening and constructing most of the inner to enable easy access to farm land, I'm happy he is not playing with agriculture which is the bedrock of our economy.
We are not living a fake life here.

asamaigho:
lol!
whats d difference btw a road and a pavement?
for ur notice there are 3types of pavements
1 rigid pavemet(which is d road above)
2 flexible pavement...normal asphalt road
3 hybrid pavement.which a combination of 1&2
finally for rigid pavements,considering live loads(axle load),there is virtually no need for "the thick rods" u mentioned,what is important is d grade of d concrete and fo d base material meets at least 70 to 90 percent of d "cbr" value,which ofcos it should.

Hi asamaigho, not to take it from you as I guess you are a professional in this field, I was actually about to comment in support of lookandlaff. Provided is as you have explained it should be and with the realities concerning inspection of projects in Nigeria, how would we confirm at the point of pouring if the[b] "slump test" meets relevant specification or the "cube crush tests"[/b] were actually done for the 7, 14 or 28 days as the case may be. Since I am not too experienced in this field (Mech Eng. by profession) but in the course of my short stint in the Quality assurance and control in some relevant sectors, these tests have to be performed and documentation (records) are to be provided/made available whenever requested for. Need I say this to conclude that what the Governor is doing looks right but that is not his duty (if purpose is not known, abuse is imminent). This should be monitored/witnessed by an engineer in the state ministry of works or a consultant that has been commissioned to do so.

Nice one

Keneking:
Is that how to dress on construction site

SMH where is his safety cap and boots....and he is even a trained Engineer

Like him or hate him my governor is working more than those parasite living up there

Dijaga:
APC governors are not doing good at all....JUST A FEW..

Still blaming GEJ for their woes

comrChris:
Mr man stop being a hater! his PPE can not do every thing for him,beside Dave is an engineer( a civil engineer for that matter) and his PPE may not be an engineer..so he is the right person to do it..
God bless you

Abeg, do you and the guy you quoted really know what PPE mean?
PPE means Personal Protective Equipment. There are different PPE's for different purposes. For example, the governor ought to be in a hard hart (to protect his head from falling objects), a reflective jacket(optional), a site boot(one with metal plates embedded inside)(to protect his feet from sharp objects) and a leather glove(optional too)(to protect his hands from cement and sharp objects). Ciao!

omonnakoda:
Can you please tell us when concrete needs to be reinforced with steel

sorry pipo,my intention is just to clarify and not to intimidate anyone.

back to your "qwestion"
reinforcements for "slab" are majorly required for suspended floors in order to resist tension loading,but for pavements,compressional force is what is needed to be catered for,of which "concrete is very good at"
like i said earlier,thick reinforcements are not neccessary because d topsoil(weak soil) has to b remove and replaced wit lateritic soil and then "compacted" to achieve d desired " bearing capacity".

reinforcing with 16mm rebars is what i call "overdesign" especially top and bottom reinforcements and it has some negative impact on the pavement,this is because wen the rods absorbs heat,it expands,this inturn leads to fault lines along the pavement,and susequently "potholes".

finally to save money without negatively altering d structural intergrity of d pavement,"brc mesh" can do d job perfectly.

thank u.....asamaigho

lookandlaff:
ok sir i bow to your superior knowledge

nros take am easy, e neva reach like dat.

[quote author=elms post=

how would we confirm at the point of pouring if the[b]"slump test" meets relevant specification or the "cube crush tests"[/b] were actually done for the 7, 14 or 28 days as the case may be. Since I am not too experienced in this field (Mech Eng. by profession) but in the course of my short stint in the Quality assurance and control in some relevant sectors, these tests have to be performed and documentation (records) are to be provided/made available whenever requested for.

if d road was designed wit "say" grade 30c,them a mix is design and crushing test are carried out based on dat mix and wen the results meets d required grade 30 strength,then its dat particular mix desing that will b used for d project.
that is y u need an engineer on site who will supervise and ensure that the stipulated mix is used for d casting of d pavement.

for mega projects,concrete mix are bought from batching plant,who already kno what mix will give a particular grade of concrete,all u need to do is tell dem d grade u require,pay and they deliver to ur site,dsmae goes for "hotmix"(asphalt)

thank u....asamaigho.

asamaigho:
sorry pipo,my intention is just to clarify and not to intimidate anyone.

back to your "qwestion"
reinforcements for "slab" are majorly required for suspended floors in order to resist tension loading,but for pavements,compressional force is what is needed to be catered for,of which "concrete is very good at"
like i said earlier,thick reinforcements are not neccessary because d topsoil(weak soil) has to b remove and replaced wit lateritic soil and then "compacted" to achieve d desired " bearing capacity".

reinforcing with 16mm rebars is what i call "overdesign" especially top and bottom reinforcements and it has some negative impact on the pavement,this is because wen the rods absorbs heat,it expands,this inturn leads to fault lines along the pavement,and susequently "potholes".

finally to save money without negatively altering d structural intergrity of d pavement,"brc mesh" can do d job perfectly.

thank u.....asamaigho

I am not sure with which authority you speak.
Any interested person can simply Google
"reinforced steel concrete road" not just the text but IMAGES and VIDEOS

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reinforced+steel++concrete+road&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmtZHasoHLAhUKtRQKHRSEA20Q_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=621


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neaoGclvips

We do not live in an era of pontifical pronouncements. Information is everywhere

achi4u:
Oga Erico, Eng Dave Umahi is not using any contractors rather he uses direct labour, there's nothing like warding any project to any contractors in Ebonyi state. If he says this road will be constructed or rehabilitate today or tomorrow as earlier as 8pm that work will start immediately.
Ebonyi has been transformed before our very eyes, I'm only waiting for him to complete most of the heavy projects like flyovers, pedestrian crossing and many more before I will surprise the whole Nigerians.
Please Ebonyians in this forum living in Ebonyi state should start taking pictures of the good works going on in the state.

What is he doing about industries? In this time of economic needs, we can't be answering "Salt of the Nation" but keep using "uncle palm" n "Dangote Salt" ... If we are a serious State, Nigeria doesn't have reason to still importing rice by now... Anyway he is trying to lift the face of Ai that Elechi allowed to rot away, but he needs to do more.

CyberWolf:
What is he doing about industries? In this time of economic needs, we can't be answering "Salt of the Nation" but keep using "uncle palm" n "Dangote Salt" ... If we are a serious State, Nigeria doesn't have reason to still importing rice by now... Anyway he is trying to lift the face of Ai that Elechi allowed to rot away, but he needs to do more.

it seems you are hard wired to think government should build industries especially in a country like Nigeria where it would always fail especially in running it..i mean you are still on this?

asha80:
it seems you are hard wired to think government should build industries especially in a country like Nigeria where it would always fail especially in running it..i mean you are still on this?

then why do you keep blaming the Nigerian government for lack of industries? I don't know which law says government can't build industries? What are his policies towards industrializing the state?

CyberWolf:
then why do you keep blaming the Nigerian government for lack of industries? I don't know which law says government can't build industries? What are his policies towards industrializing the state?

Nigerian govt is blamed for lack of industries simply because they failed to make policies and provide the desired infrastructure and security to attract both local and foreign business simple..how old is umahi in govt? How come umahi made sure all the obstructions foolish elechi put in front of ibeto from revitalizing nkalagu was removed by him?is not to make sure the industry come back to life and job created? How do you know if he has no policies for job generating companies or outfits to start up?is it supposed to happen overnight? Is that not why he is trying to put the infrastructure needed for it to happen? You as investor go like put your business where there is no road?
I have already discussed this issue of govt building industries with you many times and I am not ready to go over why it hardly if ever works.

asamaigho:
nros take am easy, e neva reach like dat.

it's an idiomatic expression, when I say I "bow to superior knowledge" it means I recognize the presence of someone who knows more about a subject than I do and so I stand corrected . it's not an insult quite the opposite. I'm actually giving you props.

Every concrete highway construction that I've seen (usually on documentaries or tv, has thicker rebar) but I'm no Engineer as you come across as a specialist so I recognize my limitations and defer to you on the subject...that's all it means.

My Governor, my Governor. Ride on His Excellency.

asha80:
Nigerian govt is blamed for lack of industries simply because they failed to make policies and provide the desired infrastructure and security to attract both local and foreign business simple..how old is umahi in govt? How come umahi made sure all the obstructions foolish elechi put in front of ibeto from revitalizing nkalagu was removed by him?is not to make sure the industry come back to life and job created? How do you know if he has no policies for job generating companies or outfits to start up?is it supposed to happen overnight? Is that not why he is trying to put the infrastructure needed for it to happen? You as investor go like put your business where there is no road?
I have already discussed this issue of govt building industries with you many times and I am not ready to go over why it hardly if ever works.

But I asked what are his policies towards industrializing the state? If he has any policy, he should make it public because I don't know and I think you don't know too. Asking how old Umahi is in govt is playing to the gallery becaus a serious leader who wants to lead must have prepared his or her policies before even nursing the ambition to contest. We won't wait until he is in the middle of his tenure before we start asking what his policies are... I seriously campainged for him during last election, I came from the same LGA with Edon who was his strong opponent but we made sure he won in our LGA but that doesn't mean I should start singing praises like a brainless sycophant at this beginning because of few road projects in the state capital...

CyberWolf:
But I asked what are his policies towards industrializing the state? If he has any policy, he should make it public because I don't know and I think you don't know too. Asking how old Umahi is in govt is playing to the gallery becaus a serious leader who wants to lead must have prepared his or her policies before even nursing the ambition to contest. We won't wait until he is in the middle of his tenure before we start asking what his policies are... I seriously campainged for him during last election, I came from the same LGA with Edon who was his strong opponent but we made sure he won in our LGA but that doesn't mean I should start singing praises like a brainless sycophant at this beginning because of few road projects in the state capital...

I'm not trying to be funny but don't you see the irony?

CyberWolf:
But I asked what are his policies towards industrializing the state? If he has any policy, he should make it public because I don't know and I think you don't know too. Asking how old Umahi is in govt is playing to the gallery becaus a serious leader who wants to lead must have prepared his or her policies before even nursing the ambition to contest. We won't wait until he is in the middle of his tenure before we start asking what his policies are... I seriously campainged for him during last election, I came from the same LGA with Edon who was his strong opponent but we made sure he won in our LGA but that doesn't mean I should start singing praises like a brainless sycophant at this beginning because of few road projects in the state capital...

well Na you know but you see that aspect of govt building industries forget about it unless you can tell yourself where you have seen govt building industries and running it in Nigeria forget about outside the country self

lookandlaff:
I'm not trying to be funny but don't you see the irony?

And so?

asha80:
well Na you know but you see that aspect of govt building industries forget about it unless you can tell yourself where you have seen govt building industries and running it in Nigeria forget about outside the country self

Must they build and run it?

CyberWolf:
And so?

well you are asking what are the man's policies. you not only voted for him (I presume) but you campaigned for him, surely that was the time to find out his policies. I don't know much about Ebonyi state politics and I don't even know who the governor is, today is the 1st time Ive heard his name so Ohave no opinion on the man but we should realise by now that one of the reasons why we rarely get good returns from our governments is that we elect people cased on personality, ethnicity, religion, which local govt they come from, whose turn it is to be gov, president, senator etc and forget the most important aspect in a candidate.....i.e what are your policies and how do you intend to achieve it. if you don't know a man's policies and you've elected him, youve entered one chance because he is elected and now you are only hoping he has good policies.

CyberWolf:
Must they build and run it?

what does govt know about building a factory it has no desire of running?build and transfer to the private sector it did not consult to know what factors they want on ground or their peculiar needs to run the factory? How is a govt sure it would even find a private firm to run a factory it built?

Only in a situation an mou is entered by a private firm with govt(usually owning a small percentage equity while the private firm holds majority equity) can it work( if greed on the part of politicians in the govt on question would allow common sense prevail).

asdfjklhaha:
My governor my governor. That place looks like presco junction though

are u frm ebonyi for real?.....ure d cutest av seen frm dat state Õoº°˚ ˚°ºoo......change has tru cum, we must fight corruption

lookandlaff:
it's an idiomatic expression, when I say I "bow to superior knowledge" it means I recognize the presence of someone who knows more about a subject than I do and so I stand corrected . it's not an insult quite the opposite. I'm actually giving you props.

Every concrete highway construction that I've seen (usually on documentaries or tv, has thicker rebar) but I'm no Engineer as you come across as a specialist so I recognize my limitations and defer to you on the subject...that's all it means.

i know what u meant
IN WARRI DATS HOW WE SAY "I AM A LEARNER" am not really a "guru"....

all am saying is i still dey learn.

al dsame one love broda.