TheArchangel:
And THAT'S THE ORIGIN OF IGBOS...RIGHT
PATHETIC.
I have seen fabrications but this is fabrication extraordinaire.!!!

Ubenedictus:
I didnt say d dynasty, i said d stool. d oba of bini stool isnt from ife cos there were kings in bini b4 oranmiyan and oduduwa. but eko didnt have d said stool until bini princes came.
My words were wel chosen.

macof:



oga the dynasty is the issue here. ...the first reference is to the progenitor of the dynasty not first on the stool. .. go to Eko, Ologun Kutere is referenced almost daily

Oba of Benin dynasty is of Ife origin like yoruba Obas. ..simple! so we will continue to place omo n'oba n'edo as 3rd where he belongs. Bini people don't need to feel inferior to yorubas, yorubas aren't into supremacy battle with you. ..most yorubas admire and love Bini

gentleheart1:



Lol see this one who are you to categorize any Oba, an Oba that's not even Yoruba. Please face your front and categorize all your yeye Obas, count the respected bini Oba out of your debris.

Born2Breed:


ANSWER these questions though I doubt if you can since you are daft and comprehending kindergartens stuff is an enormous task to you.

........

(1) Do you believe ODUDUWA is the ancestral father of the Yoruba people?
Many Yoruba scholars claim oduduwa fell from the sky to Yoruba land. Where actually did he land? , Any sign ?. Others say he came from the east, ok, did he meet people in the so called Yoruba land? If yes, then how can oduduwa now be their ancestral father?

(2) Do Yoruba have any historic monument like the pyramid structures in Old Benin and Great Benin Moat, similar monuments in Zimbabwe, Timbuktu in Mali? Any sign of an empire in the region as claimed do Oyo?(not talking about clay molded or primitive bronze artifacts many claim dating back to 10BC or the two structures in Oyo-lle, the Alaafin palace and his village market, nor either the slave raiding westward, east ward or northward story. I mean physical structures that tell of an ancient civilization?.

(3) When and where was Yoruba presence first felt in West African history? Why no reflection of Yoruba in many ancient maps of West Africa?

(4) Was Yoruba territory in British pre- Nigeria creation say 1600-1900, same with, 1914 and again in 1960 to 1967? What expanded it and why? Were there aborigines in those territories say owo, kwara, ondo and Lagos before their presence during the British colonial period? If there were aborigines, then who were they?

(5) Did Yoruba Oyo had a National flag and a centralize hereditary monarchy like the Benin before Britain in Nigeria? Why couldn't they ? What was Yoruba boundary with Dahomey before the creation of Nigeria vs. Togo boundary? Anything in common with Togo? For how long was that and why?

(6) If Yoruba clan, the awori as claimed was a kingdom or aborigine of Lagos before Britain why weren't they first to trade with European or Portuguese in the region? Why did the first Europeans to the region not name the ocean "Bight of Awori" but The Bight of Benin.? After all, The Europeans themselves were only interested on trade, slaves and commodities as they careless who they meet.

(7) Isn't true the word Yoruba is a hausa-fulani word? Used to identify people of Oyo? (Basically the real Yoruba settlers, who migrated from Togo or Dahomey to their present location in Oyo). Anything to do with African tradition or Islam?

( If true, slave trade swept off Oyo (the only known Yoruba land at the time), and an invasion of Islam, where did they get their further population from and the African traditional religion, like the Olokun, ogun, oronmila, etc?

(9) Do Yoruba have one language and one ancestral city like Benin to all Edo people and dialects? If no, then why?

(10) In 1974, an approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II of the Benin Kingdom to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. Why didn't Republic of Benin(Togo) go to Yoruba being that they are closer and there really was an Oyo empire that stretches to Togo as Yoruba historians claim?. Does that also reveal or shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yoruba land! To Dahomey at a time?

(11) Who was the first king (ooni) of Ife and what year or time of reign? and who was the first king of oyo and what year or time of reign?... at what time any of the king bears "Oba" as a title?

(12) Before the Portuguese came to Nigeria the administrative rulership of Benin Kingdom was already organised and structured as a soverign Nation/country/Kingdom with no camparism in the sub-region

Aizenosa:


Google is your friend ask it who started onitsha market

Born2Breed:
Ooni was not one of Oduduwa's children. He was a priest(ABORE) of a shrine that became a ruler after.Alafin of Oyo was one of them.

Alake is supposed to be called Alake of Ake not Alake of Egbaland.Egbaland is made up of Agura, Owu,Oke-ona nd Ake.Politics made him to be so addressed.He oversees a Quarter in Egbaland.He seemed not to be versed in history.

So is Ooni.At d time Ooni held sway none of Oduduwa's children was in Ife.That is d reason he is appellated as AROLE ODUA.

Oduduwa came from EDO(BENIN).

TheArchangel:
And THAT'S THE ORIGIN OF IGBOS...RIGHT
PATHETIC.
I have seen fabrications but this is fabrication extraordinaire.!!!

mrDennis:



Well if u believe ibos actually originated as migrants from egypt or middle east then carry on *winks *

Born2Breed:


ANSWER these questions though I doubt if you can since you are daft and comprehending kindergartens stuff is an enormous task to you.

........

(1) Do you believe ODUDUWA is the ancestral father of the Yoruba people?
Many Yoruba scholars claim oduduwa fell from the sky to Yoruba land. Where actually did he land? , Any sign ?. Others say he came from the east, ok, did he meet people in the so called Yoruba land? If yes, then how can oduduwa now be their ancestral father?

(2) Do Yoruba have any historic monument like the pyramid structures in Old Benin and Great Benin Moat, similar monuments in Zimbabwe, Timbuktu in Mali? Any sign of an empire in the region as claimed do Oyo?(not talking about clay molded or primitive bronze artifacts many claim dating back to 10BC or the two structures in Oyo-lle, the Alaafin palace and his village market, nor either the slave raiding westward, east ward or northward story. I mean physical structures that tell of an ancient civilization?.

(3) When and where was Yoruba presence first felt in West African history? Why no reflection of Yoruba in many ancient maps of West Africa?

(4) Was Yoruba territory in British pre- Nigeria creation say 1600-1900, same with, 1914 and again in 1960 to 1967? What expanded it and why? Were there aborigines in those territories say owo, kwara, ondo and Lagos before their presence during the British colonial period? If there were aborigines, then who were they?

(5) Did Yoruba Oyo had a National flag and a centralize hereditary monarchy like the Benin before Britain in Nigeria? Why couldn't they ? What was Yoruba boundary with Dahomey before the creation of Nigeria vs. Togo boundary? Anything in common with Togo? For how long was that and why?

(6) If Yoruba clan, the awori as claimed was a kingdom or aborigine of Lagos before Britain why weren't they first to trade with European or Portuguese in the region? Why did the first Europeans to the region not name the ocean "Bight of Awori" but The Bight of Benin.? After all, The Europeans themselves were only interested on trade, slaves and commodities as they careless who they meet.

(7) Isn't true the word Yoruba is a hausa-fulani word? Used to identify people of Oyo? (Basically the real Yoruba settlers, who migrated from Togo or Dahomey to their present location in Oyo). Anything to do with African tradition or Islam?

( If true, slave trade swept off Oyo (the only known Yoruba land at the time), and an invasion of Islam, where did they get their further population from and the African traditional religion, like the Olokun, ogun, oronmila, etc?

(9)Do Yoruba have one language and one ancestral city like Benin to all Edo people and dialects? If no, then why?

(10) In 1974, an approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II of the Benin Kingdom to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. Why didn't Republic of Benin(Togo) go to Yoruba being that they are closer and there really was an Oyo empire that stretches to Togo as Yoruba historians claim?. Does that also reveal or shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yoruba land! To Dahomey at a time?

(11) Who was the first king (ooni) of Ife and what year or time of reign? and who was the first king of oyo and what year or time of reign?... at what time any of the king bears "Oba" as a title?

(12) Before the Portuguese came to Nigeria the administrative rulership of Benin Kingdom was already organised and structured as a soverign Nation/country/Kingdom with no camparism in the sub-region

mrDennis:


You once claimed I lack comprehensive reading skills but each reply makes me wonder whether u actually did go the uniben of even any other school for that matter ??
Lemme explain your poor intellectual reasoning for the last time as I shall not reply u again cos you clearly not wise .

#1... USA went to Vietnam and was defeated , also u.s have been to Iraq , Kuwait , etc to fight wars ... Going by your very shocking DULL. Reply what makes it impossible for there to be a battle between owo and benin ? If there could even be a war between fulani (sokoto caliphate and oyo )

#2 ... I believe you must have a native name , doesn't the. Name mean something ? Especially when translated to English ! So you think towns all over the world are just given ("names". Lol. You reasoning is shallow.
.
#3... Eko is. A benin word "ekho". And its ekhosodi. Not ekoskdin. Its people( aliens mostly ) who made it popular to call and spell it ekosodin .

I urge you not to display your ignorance outside , its cool and funny online but in a physical gathering you would be ridiculed and bring shame on uniben in the process . Thank you .

Diademk07:

And now they are claiming Benin Republic!
How many times do these senile people have to be told that Bini is different from benin Republic? As a matter of fact, it was the Whites that changed Bini to Benin due to their intonation!
You asked why the oceans were named bight of Benin, it was because the West is bordered by Benin republic, dummy! Benin republic is already a name the British are accustomed to than say Yoruba or Awori!
That being said, the highlighted part of your post is so funny! It's one of the ridiculous statement I've ever seen! I don't want to believe that a normal person would ask if Yoruba has a language in which they use for communication! Only a dummy wouldn't know all Yorubas has and understand the general Yoruba language irrespective of the various dialects!
Even with the dialect, we can still understand one another although we may not be able to speak the various dialect! That can't be said for Edo where Ishan can't understand Bini language and don't even have a common general language! Bini that look different from the likes Ishan, akoko Edos despite being in a state is the one laying claim all the way to Benin republic? How did you jump there? Can you imagine the nonsense? LOL!
Do you know of any ancient map of the west africa where Yoruba can't be found? Look at one below and tell me you can't find Yoruba in there! There's no map and I repeat no map where Yoruba empire isn't found!
Lastly, we have folklores of how Oduduwa descended on this earth and gave birth to Yoruba just as the Christian has their version of creation! Nobody know where we all came from however one thing known is that all Yoruba descended from Ife! Ife is the home! Another is that an Oduduwa, a real man came to Ife from no where in particular and became the ruling king! One thing known is that all the influences made by him was that of an Egypt man and not Bini!
Hence, you senile people should go look for your lost bastard prince somewhere else!

gentleheart1:


Hehehe as usual confused history twisters, You'all should keep disgracing yourselves. The whole world is watching how good you people are at lieing.

I thoughts you fools wrote here that it was one of your Obas that brought about the name Benin? You fools claimed that it was named ile-ibinu which later translated to Benin.

Make una dey disgrace unaselves o, Now you people have are now also claiming that that they are two types of Oduduwa you nutheads have forgotten that some of Us studied history and we know when you mofos are lieing.

I guess you haven't even watched your movie Oduduwa that was acted by you lots, in the film it was only one Oduduwa and the Oduduwa fell from the sky.

Keep deceiving and disgracing yourselves.

Oh and Fyi Ishan and Bini language are similar and they understand each other.

Tell me do all Yorubas speak the core Yoruba language which is spoken by Oyo state people, so keep all your trash you wrote here to yourself.
We know you all and your lies.

Diademk07:

LOL! That highlighted part cracked me up!
As if Bini doesn't have their own folklores!
You know I'm a graduate of uniben right? I can boldly say that when we were lectured Evolution and fossils, our lecturer asked each person from different tribes in our midst to give their own account of creation! And what the bini guy in our midst explained is also a folklore about somebody descending from the sky although with a different name.
The scientist has their big bang version of creation, christians has theirs! Hence, why shouldn't Yoruba have theirs? Is that a crime? Even the bini has theirs!
However, when we talked about the Oduduwa who ended up becoming the ruling kling of Ife, that is no folklores!
That being said, bini is a corruption of ile-ibinu which was later modified to benin by the British!
On the language, I would advice you to stop discussing on Yoruba if you know nothing about them! Maybe I should also ask your ignorant head why won't a Yoruba man understand the Oyo dialect when it's the general Yoruba language all Yoruba use in communication inspite of the different dialects!
Just go and find your lost bastard somewhere else!

AlPeter:
how can the Benin man be telling a lie when the First king to be call Obasanjo in Benin lived like 500 years or more ago and the Yorubas recently start using the word. It may also interest you to know that the very first Ogiso is Oba-godo. O ba means to shine. Omo N'oba N' edo is the full title which can be translated as ' the child that shines for Edo'. Cc

Diademk07:

And now they are claiming Benin Republic!
How many times do these senile people have to be told that Bini is different from benin Republic? As a matter of fact, it was the Whites that changed Bini to Benin due to their intonation!
You asked why the oceans were named bight of Benin, it was because the West is bordered by Benin republic, dummy! Benin republic is already a name the British are accustomed to than say Yoruba or Awori!
That being said, the highlighted part of your post is so funny! It's one of the ridiculous statement I've ever seen! I don't want to believe that a normal person would ask if Yoruba has a language in which they use for communication! Only a dummy wouldn't know all Yorubas has and understand the general Yoruba language irrespective of the various dialects!
Even with the dialect, we can still understand one another although we may not be able to speak the various dialect! That can't be said for Edo where Ishan can't understand Bini language and don't even have a common general language! Bini that look different from the likes Ishan, akoko Edos despite being in a state is the one laying claim all the way to Benin republic? How did you jump there? Can you imagine the nonsense? LOL!
Do you know of any ancient map of the west africa where Yoruba can't be found? Look at one below and tell me you can't find Yoruba in there! There's no map and I repeat no map where Yoruba empire isn't found!
Lastly, we have folklores of how Oduduwa descended on this earth and gave birth to Yoruba just as the Christian has their version of creation! Nobody know where we all came from however one thing known is that all Yoruba descended from Ife! Ife is the home! Another is that an Oduduwa, a real man came to Ife from no where in particular and became the ruling king! One thing known is that all the influences made by him was that of an Egypt man and not Bini!
Hence, you senile people should go look for your lost bastard prince somewhere else!

adsonstone:


King in Edo/bini is Ogiso.

When exactly did the Yourbas start using the word 'Oba' for King...and when did 'oba' ever translate to mean King in bini language?
Date please!

opal4real:


Another infant with little or no I.Q. You need bobo juice n cheese balls to think better.

sotall:


My friend... don't write what you don't know.

ogiso doesn't mean king in Benin.
Ogiso in Benin means kings of the sky.

and mind you Oba means king in Benin

Khodry:
Very educative argument in here. As for the contributors try and make your point without insulting anyone. From what have gathered so far, Benin is a sub set of Yorubas . Reason being that One Benin bredren rightly pointed out here that the first rain of Bini kingdom known as ogiso's mean the king of the sky which Yoruba's hold something similar as folklore of how oduduwa came into existence and we also red that from history of both. The Yoruba's from what we can see are still the majority compare to the benin's in term of land size and population, so Benin is part of Yoruba's from all indications . Let stop this battle of supremacy and work on how we can regain our passed glories and make Oduduwa land and Nigeria at large a better place for all.

adsonstone:


King in Edo/bini is Ogiso.

When exactly did the Yourbas start using the word 'Oba' for King...and when did 'oba' ever translate to mean King in bini language?
Date please!

kingtken:
Please I want to ask this questions not to prove myself but to clear my ignorance
1 Was oramiyan a king in Benin?
2. Does Benin means land of the annoyed?
3. Why Benin people allowed Oduduwa last born to rule Benin ?
3. Is eweka son of oranmiyan?
4. Why must Oba of
Benin’s head be buried at Ife if Ile
Ife is not the source for the two
tribes?
5. Please don't abuse, just give ur answer.
God bless 9ja no superiority but equity

opal4real:




1. Oramiyan was not crowned a King in Edo.
2. Benin has no meaning in Edo.
3. Because Oduduwa was a Benin prince named Ekaladerhan.
3. Yes Oba Eweka is the Son of Oranmiyan and the Grandson of Oduduwa and also the great grand son of the last Ogiso of Igodomigodo named Owodo,Owodo happen to be the father of Oduduwa( Prince Ekaladerhan)
4. The head of the Oba of Benin was never buried at Ile-Ife,but there is a stool at Ile-Ife refers to Our fathers Stool which none other can sit on except the Oba of Benin.
5.Hope you questions were answered without insults. Every question deserves an answer but any silly statament must not pass by without calling it what it is.

adsonstone:


You can only attack me because you cannot match my argument nor answer my question.

Typical empty blockhead who has nothing meaningful to contribute.

NB: if you cannot answer that simple question, it is not compulsory to quote me.

kingtken:

YOU ARE POLITE
Am not saying Benin people are Yoruba's but the is a connection between ORANMIYAN & IFE AS WELL AS ORAMIYAN & EWEKA.
from your no. 4 answer you gave pre-oduduwa chronology which we dispute but from odudwa time OMO NOBA is heir to the throne of ife.
ODUDUWA WAS NOT THE FIRST PERSON IN IFE. HE CAME FROM SOMEWHERE. that's what I believe u wanna prove.

opal4real:


Thanks for your kind word.

The Edo's has a clear history about the migration of Oduduwa(Ekaladerhan). He met people at Ife who made him thier king cos there was a prophecy in Ife that the one who will led them will come from somewhere, the Yoruba claim Oduduwa fell from the sky or migrated from Mecca(East) a simple google map will place Benin at East of Ife. The ruling class Oduduwa met at Ife revolted and was defeated by Oduduwa who was versed in mysticism(One of the reason he was suspected of tying his father wives womb hence making them barren), the true inhabitants of Ife were the Ugbo/Ilajes.


The connection between the Edo's and Yoruba is in Royalty,Oduduwa the son of the last Ogiso of Igodomigodo is the Grandfather of Oba of Benin, 2nd Aalafin of Oyo,the 2nd Owa Ibokun ....These are the only Kings I know to be direct descendants of Oduduwa (I stand to be corrected).

The question most Yoruba historians are yet to agree on is were ODUDUWA migrated from?

martineinstein:
Ooni is too young to start unnecessary controversy...the monarch that almost colonized almost the entire southern Nigeria(from Lagos to kogi to bayelsa) and part of middle belt is now under u?.. If not for British punitive expedition of 1896,ooni would have been conquered by oba of Benin....
many first class monarchs are under oba of Benin,especially oba of Lagos,obi of onitsha,asagba of asaba,olu of Warri,dein of agbo etc. Even the traditional name of Lagos,'eko' is a bini word....ooni should go and rest joor

Oba agha t'okpe e!....ise!

opal4real:

Every silly statement deserves a response. Calling a thing by it's name is not insult. Your comment was not only absurd but childish.

opal4real:

King in Edo is not Ogiso, Oba has a deep meaning in Edo and has been in Edo lexicon from time but same cannot be said of the Yoruba's.

opal4real:

What is your proof or explanation that Ogiso means King in Edo? A direct answer will make me tender an apology, but if you cannot then my previous statement about you remains valid.