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malvisguy212:
is the hadith a revelation ?

Empiree:
Is Bible your first and primary source of knowledge or not?

malvisguy212:
The bible is the word of God. The purpose of the bible, is how human can have a special relationship with their creator.

Empiree:
This nonsense was trashed in rilwayne's thread. Do you have other defenses?

cckris:
I've already MEMORISED them.

DeathStroke007:
sharap there.. lair .. telling lies is a sin..

Empiree:
Read further here https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/7

Mr King James defender, read this https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/8

How do you feel after reading it?

Empiree:
Is Bible your first and primary source of knowledge or not?

malvisguy212:
Read this thread and see how they are un able to answer my question https://www.nairaland.com/2440687/how-old-mary-when-she

cckris:
Yes. The Holy Bible is my First and Primary source of knowledge.

cckris:
If you translate 'Ilah Ilah Il Allah', you will easily discover that the Arabic word for God is not Allah. Christians in Northern Nigeria are taking note of this, & in future editions of Hausa Bible, the word Allah will not be used. And some non-Christians will not understand.

Scholar8200:
Okay I see where the 32 comes from:

And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the Lord'S tribute was thirty and two persons.

41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

Numbers 31:41,42

Meaning they were given to the priests who are just like the Levites and the strict laws on marriage etc applies to them.

Through the OT there is nothing like sex slavery using captives! In fact, if anyone was interested in a woman among the POW, there were laid down procedures to be followed, procedures that respects the dignity of the woman in question!

And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away [size=14pt]captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.[/size]

3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lord were with the prophet that is in Samaria! for he would recover him of his leprosy.

2Kings 5:2,3

Even the syrians did not use kid girls as sex slaves!

Show me ONE therein.

Empiree:
And how is Barnabas a failed bible? ....because it contradicts some of your doctrines? . Aren't other Gospels failed too?

How about Gospel Of Judas, ever heard of that? . It defers with kjv and others as well. Havent you guys no sense to have figured this out. King James deficiencies gave birth to RSV. And yet you guys still telling us bible is the truth?

Demmzy15:
True the Levites require virgins, but are you trying to tell me all the Levites didn't have a wife until that battle, so no woman from the children of Israel was a virgin for them to marry?

The Lord's share was given to Moses and Eleazar, it is the duty of the priest to present them to the Lord according to the underlined part i.e it is for the lord and not Eleazar or the Levites just the way Gold were presented by moses and eleazer in 31:52

Num 31:52 All the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds that Moses and Eleazar presented as a gift to the LORD weighed 16,750 shekels.

As you have clearly seen it was presented to Lord not to the Levites. One wonders what a God would use gold for Anyways, what did God do with the 32 virgins given to him? At least we've seen how he smelt the aroma of the burnt offering of the animals, but what of the virgins?!

Are you kidding me? The sexual crimes was so great that if a man rapes a woman the punishment he receives is to marry that woman.

Isn't that strange? And what dignity do you talk about, married women are killed because they had sex with their husbands while the fighters keep virgins to themselves!

Permit me to say the Syrians were sensible and more civilized than them.

The bible even allows fathers to sell their daughters as female slaves, if this can happen between blood relatives what then do you expect from a captive of War. Women were taken against their wills after slaying their whole nation and then married to Hebrew soldiers to serve as sex all in the name of marriage!

Demmzy15:
I've sha showed you that Allaah is in the bible. And stop writing on things you have no knowledge of. Arab Christians use Allaah for God, what's hard to accept?!

Scholar8200:
Because the fraud it is is manifest to Christians and Muslims alike. Besides, Barnabas' gospel is not the Bible. A 'gospel' that commences calling itself the "Gospel of Jesus the Christ" and goes further to say Jesus was not the Messiah is a re-definition of the word fraud! The liar that forged the book did not know Christ meant Messiah!

Go understudy the book and what some of your ustadh are saying about it before you fight for it!

Empiree:
Scholar8200:
Because the fraud it is is manifest to Christians and Muslims alike. Besides, Barnabas' gospel is not the Bible. A 'gospel' that commences calling itself the "Gospel of Jesus the Christ" and goes further to say Jesus was not the Messiah is a re-definition of the word fraud! The liar that forged the book did not know Christ meant Messiah!
Emp:
That's one of the many discrepancies we Muslims talk about.

Sch8200:
Go understudy the book and what some of your ustadh are saying about it before you fight for it!
Emp:
You keep saying this as if I am defending Barnabas. I have said time and again that we only deduce from this Gospel as well just like we did to other Gospels. The reason Muslims talk about Gospel of Barnabas is that it denies Lordship and Sonship of Jesus which is in harmony with Quran. That's the most important aspect in Christendom and the borderline btw the two religions.

Bunch of them. Go back to the thread we recently had debate. We made lots of references there

cckris:
The erroneous use of the name of a pagan god Allah in Arabia, does not alter the FACT that Arabs still have a word in Arabic for God. That ERROR must be CORRECTED in future editions of the Bible in Arabic.
[color=#000000]The God of the Bible is Jehovah Elohim, the creator of the heavens & the earth.[/color]

Scholar8200:
For a book that is outrightly condemned by Christians, and not in the Bible, but praised by a large cross-section of muslims (before the contradictions against Islam in it were discovered,) this is a discrepancy that has nothing to do with the Bible.

We should rather wonder why the wide acceptance by muslims without knowing its contents! This smacks off desperation.

It denies the Messiah being Jesus, do you believe that? There are better ways to seek for truth! Holding on to a book like this for ANY reason reflects badly on those who do so.

Mention them and what/how the RSV claims to correct. I dont normally quote your Quran nor copy and paste from web since I dont know much except for the ones gleaned from NL; however, the Bible and its origin, the battles for truth and the miraculous preservation is not your (or any NL muslims') forte hence I would not that we waste time on that!

Empiree:
Again, other Gospels, contradict themselves, Christians practices contradict bible, Bible also contradicts Christians practices. So is there any difference?. Even, in my opinion, Gospel of Barnabas probably denied "messiah" because the word is misused or misunderstood by Christians. Like when malvis says messiah also means God. It's probably the reason Barnabas said so. Either way, According to Quran, Jesus is messiah. Messiah does not mean God

In as much Gospel of Barnabas denies Sonship and Lordship of Jesus, it will be used by muslims becuse that aspect is in harmony with true message of Jesus and Islam. simple, isnt.

But you believe other Gospels that deny prophets of God not being prophets, like Solomon etc. You believe in blasphemous passages in other Gospels ridiculing God and His messangers like accusing a prophet of incest, being drunk and the list goes on. So I ask, what's the difference?

Unfortunately, this is your assignment. You hold it to yourself to research on it. There is a reason is it called [size=15pt]Revised Standard[/size] version

Empiree:
Again, other Gospels, contradict themselves, Christians practices contradict bible, Bible also contradicts Christians practices. So is there any difference?. Even, in my opinion, Gospel of Barnabas probably denied "messiah" because the word is misused or misunderstood by Christians. Like when malvis says messiah also means God. It's probably the reason Barnabas said so. Either way, According to Quran, Jesus is messiah. Messiah does not mean God
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tsolah247:
The truth is that Jesus was not crucified but if u disagree then bring let us examine your proof.

tsolah247:
The truth is that Jesus was not crucified but if u disagree then bring let us examine your proof.

Scholar8200:
A very simple one, for what teaching were the disciples persecuted by the Jews?

tsolah247:
The truth is that Jesus was not crucified but if u disagree then bring let us examine your proof.

Scholar8200:
A lot go wrong when we close our eyes to fact and talk authoritatively based on personal opinions! The book denies and affirms that Jesus is the Messiah! Error will always fail to fully cover its tracks.

You forget these are histories and the nation in question know and have some of these as part of it handed down by their ancestors!!!

How come a 600 AD person will think he can edit a nation's history

Research? I knew what I was saying when I said it is not your forte! You made the claim, so prove it

Empiree:
Good. You bold enough to admit that. Now, next question is, which of the bibles is MOST accurate direct word of God or Jesus?

cckris:
Jesus of Nazareth is the LIVING Word of God, beyond physical or spiritual destruction, Genesis 1:1-3. In Him dwells the FULLNESS of God BODILY. I wanted you to catch this from all my posts above.
The Bible is the WRITTEN Word of God. That's why when you people burn as many as you can, you've not touched the LIVING Word. And we just publish more WRITTEN copies, which the devil cites anyhow, presuming he has it all figured out.
And please stop arrogating too much importance to yourself. I'm not writing all these to convert you.
My responses are purely to state the FACTS that I know, for which I'm eternally grateful to God, through Christ Jesus, who has made it possible. Otherwise there's absolutely nothing to gain discussing this SUSTAINABLE peaceful life with a person of your background, unless you sincerely DESIRE TO LEARN.

Good. You bold enough to admit that. Now, next question is, which of the bibles is MOST accurate direct word of God or Jesus?

Empiree:
Dont you see you are being unfair by highlighting just that part to confuse readers?

Evidences are glaring. It is up to you to do the needful. You might be a good candidate to debate with ACADIP openly. Perhaps, your eyes will come to light at the end of debate.

Empiree:
This is what I asked:


Or I should say which Bible is correct account of Jesus?. I dont need everything you said up there

cckris:
The Hebrew Old Testament of Israel presents detailed accounts of Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah.
The New Testament, a FULFILLMENT of Jeremiah 31:31, presents the details of the New Covenant, (New Testament), which perfectly FULFILL the Law, or what Israelites know as Torah, that even Moses himself was unable to keep as perfectly as was necessary. And no human being has been able to satisfy even personal conscience. All mankind are GUILTY.
This New Covenant was in the presence of World Powers, in order to be of benefit to all mankind, not just to Israelites. But what Old Testament prophets of Israel envisioned HAS PREVAILED, as the GOOD NEWS of RECONCILIATION, between a Most Holy God & sin-prone mankind, has COVERED the earth as waters cover the sea. And that's why your interesting questions arise.