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| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Ihuomadinihu: 4:06pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
Mercy Johnson is an Ebira. Sometime ago,she said her native name was Ozioma which is an Igbo name. Since Ozioma is not a mainsteam Ebira word or name,it's not wrong to say Ebiras probably adopted or borrowed certain Igbo words arising from their interactions with Igbo people. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 4:17pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
Ihuomadinihu:Ozioma would appear to be a pretty common Ebira name, with a completely different meaning from the Igbo Ozioma. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Ihuomadinihu: 4:41pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
Radoillo:Yeah, She submitted the Ebira meaning of Ozioma but i've not come across other Ebira people with that name,so i can't say if it's actually popular. The reason for the presence of Igbo or igboish names and words in Ebira is the motivation behind the Op's thread. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 6:43pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
If your friend speaks ebira and igbo, then there is the tendency that he says those igbo words as igbo language, maybe to expantiate a point. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by scholes0(m): 11:11pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
Ebira , elements of Igbo ke? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by macof(m): 2:48am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Aren't there elements shared between all languages of the same linguistic classification? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by HugoChavezJr(m): 4:23am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Igbos have more in common with Idomas. Even Igalas have more in common with Igbos than Igbirra. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 1:19am On Dec 16, 2015 |
HugoChavezJr:Could you list out common similarities between Igbo and Igala? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by HugoChavezJr(m): 3:28am On Dec 18, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Market days and some words they share in common. I don't know Igbira culture too well, but it seems to lean towards the North Central. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 2:57pm On Dec 18, 2015 |
HugoChavezJr:Yea, the Edo and Idoma also use the 4 Igbo market days as well. Funny enough, the usage of the Igbo 4 market days by other tribes is not something that is commonly heard. I guess the Nri civilization really spread out its tentacles amongst all 3 groups - Idoma, Igala and Edo/Bini. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by HugoChavezJr(m): 2:58pm On Dec 18, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:So you're insinuating that Nri influenced Benin and not the other way around? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 10:24pm On Dec 18, 2015 |
HugoChavezJr:Yes, in terms of the market days. In the past, tribes often tended to borrow elements from neighbouring tribes. It was no big deal. The function of Nri priests during the heydays was more of a spiritual role. Just as the role of the Levite tribe of the 12 tribes of Israel was that of a spiritual role. Nri priests were known to travel to other places to perform religious rites. I remember reading somewhere, not too sure of, that Nri priests were often invited to the Bini palace during coronation of new kings. In effect, the Nri, most likely, spread the 4 Igbo market days as we know them today to other areas of Igboland and to neighbouring tribe such as Idoma, Igala, Bini etc. It comes as no surprise given that these tribes are surrounding Igboland and some Igbo influence may have probably worn off on them. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 8:35am On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:What evidence do you have for this . The geographical location of Iboland does not support this theory. There is no evidence that even the Ibo "civilization" started at NRI that is just fantasy If you study the history of languages you will know you cannot deduce anything from current forms AT ALL. Slave trade and raids were very common in what is now Nigeria .Also Nigeria has perhaps the largest number of ethnic groups in Africa in a relatively small space . What seems more sensible is that many groups split off from an unknown source. If you search for it you will even find linguistic similarities between Yoruba and Ibo. To the put any interpretive value on such is just presumptuous The underlying assumption you make is that if today an ethnic group is bigger and shares similarities with a smaller one the smaller one must be derived from the larger. That is a fallacy as it could be the other way round. Language is not always the best place to look. There are many other things to look at. Ethnically the English and Germans have the same root and their language did. England was colonized by the Romans and this changed a lot . It all depends on how far back one wants to look. Many of the light skinned people of North Africa are today identified as "Arabs" This was not the case 1000 years ago Nri priests invited to Benin is Fantasy !! You did not read that anywhere. There is no evidence anywhere for that kind of depth to Ibo spirituality which is really relatively primitive compared to the Edos |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 1:26pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:If you read my post well, I clearly made it obvious when I said Igbo elements of Nri were borrowed by neighbouring tribes such as Bini, Igala, Idoma etc. Never did I say that these tribes were derived from Igbo. Tribes can cohabit side by side for years and adopt elements or customs from one another. No doubt, these 3 aforementioned tribes all use the 4 Igbo market days, these 4 Igbo market days being said to be of the Nri civilization spread to the rest of Igboland and beyond. Nri priests were known to travel far and wide to perform religious roles and this is likely the avenue by which the product of their civilization - the 4 Igbo market days, got to these neighbouring tribes. You were probably right, the Igbo civilization did not start at Nri and is probably much older than Nri civilization. Carbon dating performed in the Nsukka axis of Northern Igboland date the Igbo civilizaton to around 2500BC. Nri is only but a part of Igboland, other areas may have been formed earlier, albeit Nri held a huge influence. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 2:26pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:You say 4 Igbo market days what makes them Igbo How do we know Igbos did not borrow them? Nri Priests know to travel far and wide? KNOWN how? by whom? How far? How wide? What evidence do you have for this? What evidence is there that there was anything like Igbo or Edo in 2500 BC ? The fact that there were people in Nsukka does not mean they were Igbo people or indeed that any of their descendants are around today. After all Jews were kicked out of Israel for centuries. You make too many assertions and assumptions without evidence. Even among modern Igbos there is no evidence that they share common ancestors what they share is customs and languages even Achebe said as much . It is very conceivable that you had hundreds of groups in Iboland and their languages and identity replaced by a bigger and more dominant culture this does not imply common ancestry just like how after 100 years of living together there is now such a thing as a "NIGERIAN" accent. What do mean by NRI civilization? What are its ingredients because this is just made up stuff? Can you give us a few named individuals How did they bury their dead How did they marry Did they circumcise their men? Their women.? You are just guessing |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 3:03pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Lol. The evidence is all there against your attempts to belittle Nri and its civilization. Loads of academic evidence are out there. Do some simple research for yourself before responding to my post. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 3:09pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Actually there is NO EVIDENCE . There is only one scholar known to have published anything noteworthy an Onwuejogwu or something like that .All we have is the fiction that your folk concocted on Wikipedia with no citations. Is it not interesting that there is No history textbook of credilibility that mentions Nri. The last time I checked the word NRI did not appear in the WAEC Syllabus . This is particularly interesting as the major textbook I read when I studied history was written by an Ibo. In an attemmpt to appear consequential this fiction was concocted and posted on Wikipedia. Provide one source from the British before independence to back up the nonsense written on Wikipedia |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 3:13pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. The textbook of History for WAEC was written by Onwubiko why did he forget to mention NRI The truth is this is all made up fiction. Next to nothing is documented or known or even recounted as oral history prior to independence so where do these "MEMORIES" suddenly emerge from |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 3:35pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0: aribisala0:I would expect that if you choose to rebut my original post, then you come up with evidence supporting your point of view. Moreover, you sound like you have issues with not just Nri but the entire Igbo ethnic group as well. Well, my original point still stands. The Nri 4 market days are still today being used by neighbouring tribes - by itself evidence of earlier ethnic group contact long time ago. Likewise, Igbos living at the fringes of the Igbo territories with these tribes have adopted one or two influences from these tribes. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 3:47pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Always resort to sentiment> Predictable. There is no where in the logical world where evidence is presented to refute a claim. Rather it is for the claimant to provide evidence to substantiate their claim . That has been the way since the first university opened its doors I assume you have spent some time in one? ei incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat the burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not him who denies" It is for YOU to prove anything you say about NRI |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 4:28pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Well, my earlier point still stands. So far you couldn't come up with evidence whatsoever disproving my point other than what you feel. If you don't agree with it, it's your opinion. I am not here to win an 'internet debate' with you whatsoever. I'll reiterate my point again that the 4 Igbo market days being used by the 3 aforementioned neighbouring tribes are most likely due to borrowed Nri influence in these areas. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 4:31pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Anyone can claim that there are Ibo tribes on the moon that is their entitlement but of course that remains as fantasy without substantiation |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 4:33pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Once there is proof for this fantasy of yours, then it is possible. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 4:34pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:You are funny one minute you are championing the Eboes are Jews next minute it is 4 market day Eboes |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 5:53pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Lol. What do Jews have to do with the discourse at hand? Loll |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 6:02pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:I am just highlighting the confusion in your mind. Have you changed your view about your Jewish roots which you championed so vociferously not so long ago? Now it is 4 day Ibo market. What Next ,the son of Abraham he wanted to sacrifice was Isioma and not Isaac? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 6:25pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Lol. Just few hours ago you were attacking my post about Nri and now you're bringing up Jewish roots as if it has anything to do with the topic at hand. Lol. I see you have no point and haven't made any so far. I'm waiting for your next extraneous punchline. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 6:33pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:You are repeating yourself, are you ashamed of your past > I invited you to substantiate your claims about Nri.You have failed miserably to do so and I can only take that as an admission that your claims are baseless and false and that matter is closed. I also wish to highlight to the public that you are a fickle ,wishy washy individual who jumps from one fad to the other. You spent several hours on Nairaland https://www.nairaland.com/1849842/those-still-doubting-igbo-jewish/1 trying to prove Eboes are Jews but Jews do not have 4 day weeks or market days. They have a Sabbath so have you abandoned the claim to Jewry too? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:12pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Lol. Well, below is evidence to support my earlier point. The onus is on you to come up with counter evidence to my point, other than your emotional feelings which I am sure are immaterial to the discourse at hand. To make the read easier for you, I have highlighted valid take home points which you should ponder upon properly for your knowledge benefits. If you claim you did not study about Nri in secondary school, your school's curriculum needs to be updated because I studied it in my own secondary school and as long as the polity of Nigeria exists, it is a valid part of Nigeria's history. Your baby attempts to invalidate Nri's influence and culture and equivocate the discourse at hand by bringing in Jewish roots whatsoever equally extraneous to the topic at hand is laughable to say the least. NRI THE FOCUS OF IGBO CULTURE, HISTORY AND CIVILIZATION |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:18pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
[b]2.4 Documentary Evidence (1746 to Present) |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:27pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
The vendetta from Nri would have been the pronouncement of anathema on the whole of Obosi town in general and the murderer’s family in particular. Such an anathema was considered more dangerous than war because an anathema visits several generations and in some cases may end in the extinction of the lineage or lineages or town. The Obosi people acted wisely and the matter ended in friendly forgiveness. It has to be noted that if an Obosi man killed an Onitsha or Nkpor or Umuoji man at the same period, these steps were not taken. The two towns would simply fight it out until Nri sends a peace mission to intervene. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 9:28pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Are you literate at all? Do you know the meaning of the word : "EVIDENCE" ? I doubt it what is the NATURE of your EVIDENCE What is its SOURCE All you have posted here is a narrative, a story . It means nothing . Why should we BELIEVE it? It is what gives it CREDENCE that establishes it as EVIDENCE and then also does it back up or buttress YOUR CLAIM Let me remind you of your CLAIM that NRI priests travelled far and wide and were invited to witness or participate in coronations of Bini Obas? Assuming all your verbiage is true it does not back your claim. Your evidence falls into two categories 1. Dialogue by people who are still alive or recently died it is of little value and not relevant to your claims 2. The discussion of very recent(less than 50 years) excavation it does not say anything about Nri Priests and where they went or who invited them. It is all guesswork and vapor In summary Rubbish!! |
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How do we know Igbos did not borrow them? Nri Priests know to travel far and wide? KNOWN how? by whom? How far? How wide? What evidence do you have for this? What evidence is there that there was anything like Igbo or Edo in 2500 BC ? The fact that there were people in Nsukka does not mean they were Igbo people or indeed that any of their descendants are around today. After all Jews were kicked out of Israel for centuries. You make too many assertions and assumptions without evidence. Even among modern Igbos there is no evidence that they share common ancestors what they share is customs and languages even Achebe said as much . It is very conceivable that you had hundreds of groups in Iboland and their languages and identity replaced by a bigger and more dominant culture this does not imply common ancestry just like how after 100 years of living together there is now such a thing as a "NIGERIAN" accent.