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ShinnBet:
The Kano Hisbah sharia police declared yesterday the arrest of 31 young Christian girls mostly of southern extraction in a raid of a "br0thel" in the Sabon Gari part of town.


Firstly, Sabon Garri is home to mainly Christians and southerners and for the Sharia police to carry out an illegal raid on Christian properties and arrest Christians goes against the implementation of sharia law which states categorically that sharia will only be enforced among muslims.

Secondly, the hisbah raid in Sabon Garri has shown that the Kano State govt and likewise other sharia states in the north with similar hisbah brigades are operating effectively a state police which runs contrary to the constitution which forbids states from having their own police.

Thirdly, the young girls illegally abducted by the Kano sharia police will be arraigned before a sharia judge as the hisbah can not arraign cases in front of a conventional court of law. So in retrospect Christians and non muslims are now being subject to Islamic jurisprudence.

Fourthly, we can never take the same hisbah sharia police on their words as they played a significant role in Ese Osuru's continued detention at the Emir's palace.

For all we know these may be young Christian girls not dressed in appropriate Islamic garb which then makes them declared as prost1tutes by the lice ridden hisbah police.

This is not a case of pr0stitution but one of clear abduction by the Kano state hisbah brigade.

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.......is prostitution a chritanity? which religion accept adultery?
even sharia didn't against chritanity but social vices or do nigeria constitution allow adultery

This Op is a joker, were you there when the raid took place? Why did you jump into conclusion on the cultural and religious identity of the culprits?

Even if all of them are christians as you want everyone to believe, then the hisbah did nothing wrong in their arrest. Unless if you want to tell us that Christianity is a religion for all sorts of immorality and as such they should be left alone because they are christians.

And the last time i checked Sabongarin Kano is part and parcel of Kano metropolis well within the jurisdiction of the hisbah.

Godyke:
I did followed your narative and quite understood the point you were trying to stress, which is about shariah and its jurisdiction which I agree with you on.

But the issue of associating a group of girls who chose to engage in indicency act (not indicent dressing) as christians is my arguement. The meaning of christian is being christ like, which means they are no where near christians. They should rather be refered to as non muslims in this case. Afterall christianity is not the only religion beside islam. All other religious believers may have been involved even muslims

What is your definition of "indecency acts" in this context? I mean what explicitly was their wrongdoing?

oyinkinola:
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.......is prostitution a chritanity? which religion accept adultery?
even sharia didn't against chritanity but social vices or do nigeria constitution allow adultery

Those girls are not prostitutes .

Those girls according to the sharia police where arrested for indecency.

Indecency can amount to the way one dresses according to sharia law.


Because they were not wearing a boko hijab and ninja suit does not make them indecent women.


Your sharia police has started persecuting and abducting young Christian girls again.

Godyke:
I did followed your narative and quite understood the point you were trying to stress, which is about shariah and its jurisdiction which I agree with you on.

But the issue of associating a group of girls who chose to engage in indicency act (not indicent dressing) as christians is my arguement. The meaning of christian is being christ like, which means they are no where near christians. They should rather be refered to as non muslims in this case. Afterall christianity is not the only religion beside islam. All other religious believers may have been involved even muslims

What is indecency act?

And please do not attempt to regulate Christians with your satanic sharia law.

Christians do not need sharia police to regulate their behavior.

Nonsense crap

Seun here is another one. Don't deceive urself to think Yoruba women are not amonst the 31 girls kidnap by hisba police.


Slowly, this is getting out of hand. Something we can subtly bring to order is now getting widespread. To whom much is given, much is expected. Seun u have a responsibility to Nigeria and U are falling below expectation.

Lies

...and when the talk of Islamising the country comes up, some people will be asking how possble that is.

These actions of the northerners against the Christains or the Norther minorities are calculated. They are testing the waters.

The worst disservice any southerner will do to himself is to sit and spread out legs and hands and say 'nothing is harpening'.

Is immorality of such nature acceptable in Christianity for some folks to make an issue out of it or what?

For people ranting all over Sabin gari is not the east or some christiandom but an enclave accorded to strangers by a host. ommunity and showing some respect to the norms makes you a good guest and not the other way. They say no ashawo is allowed in Kano. if you be ashawo checkout or better still you can do it in your village where its legal and religiously acceptable. For the silly daft religious warriors you can come fetch them to your christian domains where is allowed.

No body mentioned it was only xtians arrested. Again the news stated clearly first time offenders would be released with a warning to stop. Whilst repeat offenders caught will be charged.

Be it Sharia or secular Kano recognises both and as such laws of the land most be respected especially by strangers.Nigeria is an open nation if its not okay with you then get a lawyer or better still hit the road to a destination where the laws permit such immorality.

Nonsense !!!

HAH:
So because they are christians they should be allowed to be prostitutes ?

SMH for bigots that are hell bent to divide us along religious line without seeing the merit of the news

Islam needs to be outlawed or else Nigeria would be damned!!!

cheruv:

Islam needs to be outlawed or else Nigeria would be damned!!!

Xtianity needs to be outlawed to stop the spread of immortality especially prostitution in communities !!!!

hakanai:


Xtianity needs to be outlawed to stop the spread of immortality especially prostitution in communities !!!!

I agree with you totally that's why I am a strong advocate for full sharia law and not this bits and pieces you have in the north.


See this thread for more...

ShinnBet:

[size=18pt]Why we must all support full sharia in the north[/size]

Let them have their sharia .

They have now resorted to using sharia agents like the Hisbah to subvert the constitution on state police.


I say let them have sharia not in parts but in full like what transpires in places like Saudi Arabia.


They should be made to know that having full sharia will come with its own negative consequences.

For example, full sharia does not allow for commercial banks.

If they want full sharia law in the north then the CBN must as a matter of urgency withdraw all operational banking liscences from the north other than Sukkot Sharia banks.

Since sharia also forbids the consumption and retailing of alchohol , then the northern sharia states should also not partake in alchohol Vat and excersise duties henceforth.

Not stopping at that, since they want full sharia law in the north, then they should ban the religious activities of other non Muslims. Churches should be banned as well as bibles and other Christian paraphernalia. The sharia caliphate of northern Nigeria should also ban non Muslims from their domain in the event that these infidels may corrupt the system. So with that, Christian corpers should not be posted to sharia north. Let them use their own Muslim Arabic studies graduates as part time teachers.

And since sharia law will become supreme in the northern sharia caliphate, I believe there is no need for the secular Nigerian police. The Hisbah brigade should henceforth take over all policing activities in the sharia north. The same also should apply for the closing down of all conventional courts. Let the sharia court become supreme since its law is supreme.


This will go a long way in establishing the utopic sharia enclave they have always wanted and also have all Christians vacate the north for the Ummah.

Bearing this in mind that for every action there is a reactionary event, I also suggest that Christian majority states in the south should also pass legislation banning the activities of Muslims in their various states.

Since the north wants apartheid we should gladly give it to them.

They have been using their sharia aggigtation as blackmail on Christians in their region. Henceforth they should go full sharia and from there face the consequences of their actions.


The north should not be allowed to have their cake and eat it anymore.

hakanai:


Xtianity needs to be outlawed to stop the spread of immortality especially prostitution in communities !!!!

Muslim North and Christian South... Which other way to destroy this God forsaken cesspit

hakanai:


Xtianity needs to be outlawed to stop the spread of immortality especially prostitution in communities !!!!

Sorry but Islam has a form of prostitution it sanctions which is muti marriage or temporary marriage.

Mohammed allowed his band of fellow robbers to hire prostitutes in pretense of marriage .


It is in your Koran and it is widely practiced by rich gulf Arab Muslims who hire prostitutes as temporary wives.


Next time read your useless Koran first before you judge Christianity

Vado:


What is your definition of "indecency acts" in this context? I mean what explicitly was their wrongdoing?

Indecency or indecent act may mean a lot or come in different angles. This is not limited to prostitution alone, or in dressing. Talking lousily, playing of music aloud and disturbing your neighbours are few. The list is endless.

The Hisbah police did not mention their actual offence but whatever it is, christian teenagers should not be seen in or around a hotel premises involving in any indecent act of any sort.
Wherever christians find themselves, they should show the fruit of christ in them and not to give non christian believer to doubt them

hakanai:
Is immorality of such nature acceptable in Christianity for some folks to make an issue out of it or what?

For people ranting all over Sabin gari is not the east or some christiandom but an enclave accorded to strangers by a host. ommunity and showing some respect to the norms makes you a good guest and not the other way. They say no ashawo is allowed in Kano. if you be ashawo checkout or better still you can do it in your village where its legal and religiously acceptable. For the silly daft religious warriors you can come fetch them to your christian domains where is allowed.

No body mentioned it was only xtians arrested. Again the news stated clearly first time offenders would be released with a warning to stop. Whilst repeat offenders caught will be charged.

Be it Sharia or secular Kano recognises both and as such laws of the land most be respected especially by strangers.Nigeria is an open nation if its not okay with you then get a lawyer or better still hit the road to a destination where the laws permit such immorality.

Nonsense !!!

Ranting nonsense.

Kano has the biggest male brothel in Nigeria and it is located in the old part of the city far from Sabon garri.


Kano has the largest divorce rate in Nigeria with many young women roaming the streets as codeine addicts looking for a fix to which they don't mind turning tricks.


The level of vice among northern Muslims especially in drug abuse and prostitution in the most depraved form which includes young prepubescent girls and boys is by far the worst in the entire nation.

There are certain hot spots in kano that even the police, NDEA dare not raid.

So don't make Sabon garri seem like sodom and Gomorah of Kano . The old part of the city is plagued by vice and it's main perpetrators are northern Muslims.

If you dare visit Kano then I suggest you ask around about which people or group at the most corrupted. It isn't Christians but Muslims.

Godyke:


Indecency or indecent act may mean a lot or come in different angles. This is not limited to prostitution alone, or in dressing. Talking lousily, playing of music aloud and disturbing your neighbours are few. The list is endless.

The Hisbah police did not mention their actual offence but whatever it is, christian teenagers should not be seen in or around a hotel premises involving in any indecent act of any sort.
Wherever christians find themselves, they should show the fruit of christ in them and not to give non christian believer to doubt them

I have told you to stop attempting to preach to Christians on how they ought to behave .


The old parts of Kano are plagued by more immoral vices than Sabon garri.

So if we take your foolish defense of this abduction, that means the Hisbah brigade will close down Wuse 2 in Abuja on a Friday club night?


Abeg tell your Hisbah to deal with the increasing number of drug addicts among you muslims and the increasing prostitution menace brought about by divorced young women who are now codeine addicts.


This was a clear abduction and the Hisbah police has no jurisdiction arresting Christian girls.

The young girls have the choice to opt out of sharia proceedings I hope you are aware?

ShinnBet:



What is indecency act?

And please do not attempt to regulate Christians with your satanic sharia law.

Christians do not need sharia police to regulate their behavior.

Nonsense crap

It will interest you to know that this same laws which you now love to hate are also found in the bible and they are still there till now.

The muslims are not trying to regulate the christians with their laws. They are regulations that have since been in existence even to the christians that they failed to obey.

If only the christians could as well enforce and obey most of the laws in the bible, even the muslims will envy them and the world would have been a better place and a country like Nigeria wouldn't have degenerated to level we find ourselves today.

Let the truth be told.

Godyke:


Indecency or indecent act may mean a lot or come in different angles. This is not limited to prostitution alone, or in dressing. Talking lousily, playing of music aloud and disturbing your neighbours are few. The list is endless.

The Hisbah police did not mention their actual offence but whatever it is, christian teenagers should not be seen in or around a hotel premises involving in any indecent act of any sort.
Wherever christians find themselves, they should show the fruit of christ in them and not to give non christian believer to doubt them

You don't know their offence or the details but you are blindly taking sides. So for being in front of or inside a hotel in a Christian dominated area could earn me an arrest under a sharia enacted outfit? Wow, and you are cool with that? Well, since you are good at judgments, how differently would you have judged the prostitute that was about being stoned whom Christ showed compassion on in the Bible?

Godyke:


It will interest you to know that this same laws which you now love to hate are also found in the bible and they are still there till now.

The muslims are not trying to regulate the christians with their laws. They are regulations that have since been in existence even to the christians that they failed to obey.

If only the christians could as well enforce and obey most of the laws in the bible, even the muslims will envy them and the world would have been a better place and a country like Nigeria wouldn't have degenerated to level we find ourselves today.

Let the truth be told.

Leave Christians to their God on judgement day.

Who bloody made you Muslims enforcers of God's laws in the bible?


As I said stop extending your debased sharia regulation on non Muslims and concentrate on the ever increasing drug addicts and divorced young harlots that dominate Kano.

Nonsense.

ShinnBet:


Those girls are not prostitutes .

Those girls according to the sharia police where arrested for indecency.

Indecency can amount to the way one dresses according to sharia law.


Because they were not wearing a boko hijab and ninja suit does not make them indecent women.


Your sharia police has started persecuting and abducting young Christian girls again.

Who told you they were not prostitutes? Where then were they raided and arrested? On the street of sabongari? What else could 31 christian teenage girls be doing in a hotel. Were they kano on an school excursion visit or church event? How come some were released after they were discovered to be first offenders while the rest were held for being previously cautioned for the same offence.

For your information sharia law does not compel all females in Kano or any sharia state in the north to wear hijab, It only for the muslims and not even all muslims. Go get your facts right

Godyke:

Who told you they were not prostitutes? Where then were they raided and arrested? On the street of sabongari? What else could 31 christian teenage girls be doing in a hotel. Were they kano on an school excursion visit or church event? How come some were released after they were discovered to be first offended while the rest were held for being previously cautioned for the same offence.
For your information sharia law does not compel all females in Kano or any sharia state in the north to wear hijab, It only for the muslims and not even all muslims. Go get your facts right

I had to quote you again.

Your hypocrisy stinks.

It is only in the Koran that prostitution is legalized through muti marriage and this goes on daily in relatively poor Arab nations like Egypt, Lebanon and Syria where rich gulf Arabs patronize young girls for temporary marriages that can last a round of sex.

Arabs from devout Muslim nations like Saudi Arabia patrol the refugee camps in Jordan looking for Palestinian and Syrian girls to "marry".

They do this with clear conscience as they can draw from Islamic doctrine which sanctions temporary marriage.


So I don't know where you get the impression that Christianity is synonymous to prostitution.

In that same Kano , you will find male brothels and can have sex with a preburbescent girl for less than 500 naira.

Or can you deny the drug scourge hitting Muslim communities in Kano among young girls divorced by their old husbands in order to make way for younger fresh blood?


As I told you earlier , never try to preach Christianity here to christians or make a comparative analysis with Christianity to deflect from the real issue here which by the way if I must remind you is that the Kano sharia police otherwise known as Hisbah brigade abducted innocent young christin girls from Sabon garri area in the guise of prostitution.

Nonsense

Godyke:


Who told you they were not prostitutes? Where then were they raided and arrested? On the street of sabongari? What else could 31 christian teenage girls be doing in a hotel. Were they kano on an school excursion visit or church event? How come some were released after they were discovered to be first offended while the rest were held for being previously cautioned for the same offence.

For your information sharia law does not compel all females in Kano or any sharia state in the north to wear hijab, It only for the muslims and not even all muslims. Go get your facts right

So now you are back to denial?

The case reeks with Muslim lies.

Those girls are not prostitutes! The Hisbah have no credibility as can be seen with the way the assisted in the continued detention of Ese in the Amir palace.

And FYI, sharia law decrees that any female not properly dressed in Islamic garb should be treated like a prostitute.

This is the law in Saudi Arabia and this is what they are enforcing in Kano.

Since they want full sharia law in Kano they should declare it and not use sharia as a guise to abduct young Christian girls.

Stop your foolish lies already

Vado:


You don't know their offence or the details but you are blindly taking sides. So for being in front of or inside a hotel in a Christian dominated area could earn me an arrest under a sharia enacted outfit? Wow, and you are cool with that? Well, since you are good at judgments, how differently would you have judged the prostitute that was about being stoned whom Christ showed compassion on in the Bible?

I mistakenly quoted you.

I have since edited your post from my response.

Cheers

Godyke:



If only the christians could as well enforce and obey most of the laws in the bible, even the muslims will envy them and the world would have been a better place and a country like Nigeria wouldn't have degenerated to level we find ourselves today.

Let the truth be told.

[size=18pt]Mohammed allowed his followers to hire prostitutes[/size]

The Prophet of Islam allowed his followers to practice a form of prostitution called Nikah al-Mut'ah. In Muhammad's time, a Muslim could pay a woman for "temporary marriage," which would last a few hours, days, weeks, or months (depending on the agreement). Many Muslims today claim that Muhammad eventually changed his mind about this obviously immoral practice, and that Mut'ah is now forbidden in Islam (certain Muslim sources suggest this). But these Muslims fail to mention that some of Islam's most trusted sources plainly declare that Muhammad never prohibited Mut'ah. For instance, the following passage in Sahih Muslim says that Muslims were practicing Mut'ah well beyond the lifetime of Muhammad:

Sahih Muslim 3248—Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that Jabir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet and during the time of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar.

Some hadith claim that it was Umar, rather than Muhammad, who outlawed Mut'ah:

Sahih Muslim 3250—Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'a (Tamattu’ of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu’ with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger. Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

According to Sahih al-Bukhari (Sunni Islam's most trusted collection of ahadith), Mut'ah is justified by the Qur'an itself! Consider the following verse from the Qur'an:

Qur'an 5:87—O ye who believe! Forbid not the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you, and transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not transgressors.

Notice how this verse was used by Muhammad:

[size=18pt]Sahih al-Bukhari 5079—We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Messenger and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment and then he recited to us: "O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you." (5.87)[/size]

Hence, Muslim men who want to hire prostitutes can simply point out that both the Qur'an (the Word of Allah) and Muhammad (Islam's final prophet) allowed prostitution, and that later Muslims (like Umar) cannot overrule Allah and Muhammad.

Godyke I see you have ran away with your foolish lies and defense of the indefensible.


Yeye

ShinnBet:


So now you are back to denial?

The case reeks with Muslim lies.

Those girls are not prostitutes! The Hisbah have no credibility as can be seen with the way the assisted in

And FYI, sharia law decrees that any female not properly dressed in Islamic garb should be treated like a prostitute.

This is the law in Saudi Arabia and this is what they are enforcing in Kano.

Stop your foolish lies already

Let me educate you that this is Nigeria and not Saudi Arabia. Nigeria is not an islamic state like Saudi. It is only partly made up of muslims. The sharia law cannot supercede the constitution of Nigeria. If the hisbah police could go about arresting any lady whether christian or muslim for not properly dressed by 'wearing the hijab' as you say, they could as well close down all those beer palours and arrest people for drinking openly in that same Sabongari Area in a sharia state. Can such be tolerated in places like Minna in Niger State? Kano is mild

Godyke:


Let me educate you that this is Nigeria and not Saudi Arabia. Nigeria is not an islamic state like Saudi. It is only partly made up of muslims. The sharia law cannot supercede the constitution of Nigeria. If the hisbah police could go about arresting any lady whether christian or muslim for not properly dressing by 'wearing the hijab' as you say, they could as well close down all those beer palours and arrest people for drinking openly in that same Sabongari Area in a sharia state. Can such be tolerated in places like Minna in Niger State? Kano is mild.

That is why I am telling you that the girls arrests was a cover to abduct young christian girls.

And if you must also allow me to educate you, this is Nigeria a country waging a war with Islamic lunatics bent on spreading sharia law, this is the same Nigeria were some states in the north have sharia courts, Hisbah sharia police and also religious Islamic leaders like the emir .

If there is no sharia in Kano then why are there Hisbah sharia police arresting young Christian girls and carting them off to sharia courts to be tried in line with sharia law?



If it quacks like a duck , walks like a duck and looks like a damn duck and you still insist on calling it a chicken then obviously you are just plain myopic or deliberately lying to yourself only.

ShinnBet:
Godyke I see you have ran away with your foolish lies and defense of the indefensible.


Yeye

Why would I run. I will always stand for the truth and on the truth. Christians should stand up and identified. You can not be lukewarm. You are either hot or cold

Godyke:


Why would I run. I will always stand for the truth and on the truth. Christians should stand up and identified. You can not be lukewarm. You are hot or cold

Leave Christians out.

Christians are the victims of this latest Islamic onslaught .


I am sure it is men like you that blame rape victims and turn the perpetrator into the victim.


What concerns Christian behaviour here?

Or are you blaming the Chibok girls to for being abducted by those lunatic bokos as well?

The only flaw I see here is that Christians in Nigeria are not striking back.

The antibalaka movement in C.A.R. showed that Muslims only understand one language and that is violence.

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