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paulGrundy:
But the early church never discarded any of their earlier understandings/calculations as false-hoods, why is the watchtower different?

Is that what your sites tell you? For your information their has been adjustments in our understanding of the truth and it's in line with the scriptures, quote me again.

goodnews201668:
Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized

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That's not true, there have been major doctrinal changes, a lot has changed the watchtower has made an almost 360 degree u-turn from teachings she once held. Significant Changes in generations teachings, worship of Jesus, medical advice, elder arrangement, Daniels and revelations prophecies (the contradictions there alone, is enough to write a whole bible ).

For example in 1950's the worship of Jesus was reffered to as idolatry.

"Trinitarians who believe that Jesus is God, or at least the second person of the triune God, do not like to have Jehovah's witnesses say that it is unscriptural for worshipers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ" Watchtower 1964 Nov 1 p.671

Prior to then it was perfectly ok.

"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." Watchtower 1939 Nov 15 p.339

goodnews201668:
Is that what your sites tell you? For your information their has been adjustments in our understanding of the truth and it's in line with the scriptures, quote me again.

Does the scriptures contradict itself? Rather than suggesting that Apostles and other bible characters made mistakes, consider "What percentage of the Apostles writings in the Bible are wrong?" Zero percent. "What percentage of Watchtower statements has been wrong?" The difference being, the Apostles were directed by God, the Governing Body is not.

Since the Watchtower Governing Body is unlike the Apostles and not directed by God when arriving at doctrine, they should not be followed blindly, without question.

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^^^ are you the new Watchtower PR (public image repair reputation) officer to replace BERNIMORE.

You are welcome, I would love us to debate more like this in future.

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^^^ are you the new Watchtower PR (public image repair reputation) officer to replace BERNIMORE.

You are welcome, I would love us to debate more like this in future.

You are just confusing yourself. When you realize your are not doing things right, what do you do? Adjustments and changes.
It takes humility for one to admit his errors, more so when 360 degree changes or adjustments are required. Courage, faith is also required . So many religious groups including yours have seen the errors in some their doctrines, have they been able to amend? No, like you heard earlier it's in line with God's will as outlined in the Bible. I forgot you don't read Bible, you only read slanderous qoutes and sites. Read Isaiah 60: 17. So Jehovah's people keep making progress, they undergo refinement. Jehovah's glory keeps shining upon them! All this one wet u dey do no consign them, u can't stop the shine. Neither will you beat the records the height of your opposition is what your doing here and you are small when compared to what they seen.

Jozzy4:
clueless man , ... , present your answer first . use science to answer , why do we speak different languages ??

You win. Thanks.

paulGrundy:
Does the scriptures contradict itself? Rather than suggesting that Apostles and other bible characters made mistakes, consider "What percentage of the Apostles writings in the Bible are wrong?" Zero percent. "What percentage of Watchtower statements has been wrong?" The difference being, the Apostles were directed by God, the Governing Body is not.

[b]Since the Watchtower Governing Body is unlike the Apostles and not directed by God [/b]when arriving at doctrine, they should not be followed blindly, without question.

The point here is exactly why I question or rebuke sharing whatever word they want to share. Do you start a state function without the National anthem? Do you teach the WORD of God without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? No offense to the jw in the house but the bible isn't a literally work of art you use the dictionary to explain.

@paulGrundy, I've been reading your posts bro and though you're making some serious points I think it's time you let them be. Personal convictions and radicalism follow one thin line so be on the watch cuz the tower guys are convinced and radicalized in ways you're yet to understand. Unknowingly they have FAITH because they follow blindly it's just their article of faith that's the issue.

I wish you guys can discuss issues that happened in my lifetime, issues that determine my future.

I've found that it's better to discuss spiritual matters with people who have something to offer!

goodnews201668:
You are just confusing yourself. When you realize your are not doing things right, what do you do? Adjustments and changes.
It takes humility for one to admit his errors, more so when 360 degree changes or adjustments are required. Courage, faith is also required . So many religious groups including yours have seen the errors in some their doctrines, have they been able to amend? No, like you heard earlier it's in line with God's will as outlined in the Bible. I forgot you don't read Bible, you only read slanderous qoutes and sites. Read Isaiah 60: 17

Isaiah 60:17King James Version (KJV)

17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

?

I think you are the one who doesn't read your bible, I guess you just lifted that passage from your- study in the scriptures- propaganda book without going through it.

So Jehovah's people keep making progress, they undergo refinement. Jehovah's glory keeps shining upon them! All this one wet u dey do no consign them, u can't stop the shine. Neither will you beat the records the height of your opposition is what your doing here and you are small when compared to what they seen.

Shine unto several more unfulfilled expectations, flip-flop in doctrines. Its not enough to read the bible, it should be read with an eager mind for the truth, not with the aid of some literature or the supervision of higher authorites. You accuse my church of making errors in doctrine, but I think it may interest you to know that they do not have 100 percent failure rate in predictions expectations.
Do not be decieved, its not possible for one to claim absolute truth and still claim that he has errors that have been giving was for. Jesus is the one and ONLY truth, any organization that claims truth is an imposter.

1 Timothy 2:5King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

^^^ that's why the watchtower keeps making errors and will keep on making errors, because they are not inspired by God.

Little wonder Jesus said by their fruits ye shall know them:

Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

[size=20pt]A tree of “absolute truth" cannot bear falsehoods, no matter what term you use to justify your position, a "brighter light" ought to build on itself, NOT subtract add later[/size]. Little wonder apostle Paul admonished us:

1 John 4:1 English Standard Version (ESV)

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

paulGrundy:
Isaiah 60:17King James Version (KJV)

17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

?

I think you are the one who doesn't read your bible, I guess you just lifted that passage from your- study in the scriptures- propaganda book without going through it.



Shine unto several more unfulfilled expectations, flip-flop in doctrines. Its not enough to read the bible, it should be read with an eager mind for the truth, not with the aid of some literature or the supervision of higher authorites. You accuse my church of making errors in doctrine, but I think it may interest you to know that they do not have 100 percent failure rate in predictions expectations.
Do not be decieved, its not possible for one to claim absolute truth and still claim that he has errors that have been giving was for. Jesus is the one and ONLY truth, any organization that claims truth is an imposter.

1 Timothy 2:5King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

^^^ that's why the watchtower keeps making errors and will keep on making errors, because they are not inspired by God.

Little wonder Jesus said by their fruits ye shall know them:

Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

[size=20pt]A tree of “absolute truth" cannot bear falsehoods, no matter what term you use to justify your position, a "brighter light" ought to build on itself, NOT subtract add later[/size]. Little wonder apostle Paul admonished us:

1 John 4:1 English Standard Version (ESV)

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I don tell you the simple truth, but keep twisting it. And I will still tell you again it's not easy to admit ones error and make adjustments as far Bible understanding is concerned and it's not out of place, the scriptures supports that. Why will it be difficult? Because of mockery from people like you. Many religious groups including yours are aware that most of their doctrines are not correct but nothing has been done. Yo are just a slander, a bitter one at that. The witnesses used to marry more than one wife, many people who couldn't adjust found it difficult to cope and left. They used to smoke and many other things but with time they realized those things are unscriptural and adjusted those who couldn't left, likewise many understanding of Bible teaching. But you just bent on slandering them that's why you find it difficult to believe that in all they are still the best despite their mistakes, weaknesses and imperfections. But in all they have produced the best fruits as a religious group, your hatred won't allow you see. Once again keep repeating yourself, say what you have said again.

astute07:
Visit www.JW.org to get answers to ur questions & also life big questions that could be answered from your bible.
Takia & ciao

U mean dat website dat teaches pple how to discriminate against their fellow human beings? Thanks, but I'll pass.

@paulgrundy
have you ever met any jw in ur life?
why do you hate jehovah witnesses so much that you may even wish to become anothet hitler or stalin to continue extermination of jw?
are you saying there is nothing good about jehovah witnesses?

MoneypassGod:
U mean dat website dat teaches pple how to discriminate against their fellow human beings? Thanks, but I'll pass.

@moneypassGod, your name says it all. money cannot pass God.

joyandfaith:
@moneypassGod, your name says it all. money cannot pass God.

U never see anything dats y.

MoneypassGod:
U never see anything dats y.

i have seen many things. what do you want me to see

MoneypassGod:
U mean dat website dat teaches pple how to discriminate against their fellow human beings? Thanks, but I'll pass.

Rili; y r u so obstinate with ur ignorance. You need to change

astute07:
Rili; y r u so obstinate with ur ignorance. You need to change

Can a devout witness marry a non-witness?? If ur answer is no, then go bleep urself.

MoneypassGod:
Can a devout witness marry a non-witness?? If ur answer is no, then go bleep urself.

why are you interested in marrying from a religion you hate too much?
is that not hypocrisy?

joyandfaith:
why are you interested in marrying from a religion you hate too much?
is that not hypocrisy?

Dats discrimination if u ask me, dats wot some religious doctrines does to pple. And who d hell told u i wanna marry frm there?? Wake up frm ur dream already!

MoneypassGod:
Dats discrimination if u ask me, dats wot some religious doctrines does to pple. And who d hell told u i wanna marry frm there?? Wake up frm ur dream already!

With your time wasting researches not showed u what's happening elsewhere.

u really have no base.u just off & on everywhere.U need to examine urself cos u losing it; real bad.

astute07:
With your time wasting researches not showed u what's happening elsewhere.

u really have no base.u just off & on everywhere.U need to examine urself cos u losing it; real bad.

Sister u r trying very hard to sound smart, but unfortunately u aren't making any sense. Pls edit ur last statement where necessary so i can get ur point. By d way r u even a jw? D jws i know don't curse. How come u r different?

MoneypassGod:
Sister u r trying very hard to sound smart, but unfortunately u aren't making any sense. Pls edit ur last statement where necessary so i can get ur point. By d way r u even a jw? D jws i know don't curse. How come u r different?

M being realistic here; not cursing.You need medical help;

astute07:
M being realistic here; not cursing.You need medical help;

Is dat not cursing? U r indirectly calling me a retar.d.

You can argue to defend a lie just to ensure you win an argument but deep within your conscience, you know you are wrong. This is the attitude of JW adherents. How can you keep on adjusting your interpretations of scriptures from time to time and justify it by simply saying it's permissible. Then, what you are telling us now cannot be relied on as it might soon be subject to another interpretation.

Anyone who allows himself to be deceived by JW has himself to blame. Before you accept something to be truth, you must have examined all scriptures that deals with the issue in question.

When the blind leads the blind, they'll both fall into a ditch. The JW are not Christians. They are anti Christ. For you to be a Christian, you must act on Romans 10:9-10. You must first believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and that God raised him up on the third day to justify you. The second stage is Confession of what you believe with your mouth. This is what results in true conversion we also refer to as born again experience.

Now, the JW denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus. They assert that God could have melted his body with chemical. This assertion is an act of wickedness. We all know that this is a lie from the pit of hell.

When Jesus appeared to his disciples, doubting Thomas saw him and touched him. The JW just said that Jesus materialized to make himself touchable. This is one of the worse lie anyone can cook. Jesus had told Thomas, that a spirit has no flesh and bones. So, touch me, I am not just a spirit, he said.

Again, the foundation of this evil organization is illogical and unscriptural. They claim to be Jehovahs witness. You only witness for someone you know or have seen. Have they seen Jehovah before? Jesus said that no one has seen God at anytime except him. He said he is the express image of his personality. So, the one you witness for is Jesus who walked the face of this earth and not Jehovah who you have never seen. Hence Jesus said in Acts 1:8, 'that you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you and you shall be witnesses unto me - JESUS.

Why are they to witness for Jesus. It simply means to attest to the fact that he was crucified. Yes, they confirmed him dead when a sword was pierced through his side. And they also confirmed his resurrection from the dead. Paul argued during the time of his writing that a great number of witnesses to his resurrection are still alive. Yes, even our generation never saw Jesus but we believe the eye witness account of those who saw him according to the four gospels. Their witnesses agree.

We are called to witness for Jesus and not Jehovah. But in witnessing for Jesus, Jehovah is glorified. The Bible says, He that honours the son honours the father but he who dishonours his son, Jesus dishonours Jehovah his father.

The JW are so committed to evangelism but the question is are they preaching the gospel? The message of the gospel is centered on Christ. Have you ever heard any JW come to preach Christ to you? Read the book of Acts thoroughly before you start your blind defence. All the Apostles preached Christ in every cities they went. The good news is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised on the third day to justify us. And anyone who believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. The JW will never preach such message to you because they don't know Jesus and they are not saved. Rather they just tell you to keep God's commandments. If keeping God's commandments is what is needed to be saved, why then did Jesus come? The Jews were given the commandments but they could not keep it because of the sinful nature of the flesh. So, what God did was to send his Son to die for us so that those who believe in him can be loosened from the grip of sin.

The JW teachings will only appeal to those who are not saved because it sounds reasonable but not scriptural. The JW uses reasonings to analyze scriptures. But the truth is that the things of God are foolishness to the natural man. You cannot understand the scriptures with reasonings. You understand with your spirit.

If you are a member of JW, please come out from among them and receive Christ. What is your gain if you deceitfully defend your doctrines when deep within you, you know something is wrong with your interpretation. If you are not a member, please don't believe them. Instead, go and do a personal study. The Bible is within your reach. And don't study with a pre conceived opinion. If you do, you will never get the truth.

I reaffirm my claim. They are anti Christ and doomed to go to the very hell they don't believe exist. You have only one life to live. Don't gamble with it. Give your life to Jesus and attend a Bible believing church.

You can argue to defend a lie just to ensure you win an argument but deep within your conscience, you know you are wrong. This is the attitude of JW adherents. How can you keep on adjusting your interpretations of scriptures from time to time and justify it by simply saying it's permissible. Then, what you are telling us now cannot be relied on as it might soon be subject to another interpretation.

Anyone who allows himself to be deceived by JW has himself to blame. Before you accept something to be truth, you must have examined all scriptures that deals with the issue in question.

The JW are not Christians. They are anti Christ. For you to be a Christian, you must act on Romans 10:9-10. You must first believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and that God raised him up on the third day to justify you. The second stage is Confession of what you believe with your mouth. This is what results in true conversion we also refer to as born again experience.

Now, the JW denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus. They assert that God could have melted his body with chemical. This assertion is an act of wickedness. We all know that this is a lie from the pit of hell.

When Jesus appeared to his disciples, doubting Thomas saw him and touched him. The JW just said that Jesus materialized to make himself touchable. This is one of the worse lie anyone can cook. Jesus had told Thomas, that a spirit has no flesh and bones. So, touch me, I am not just a spirit, he said.

Again, the foundation of this evil organization is illogical and unscriptural. They claim to be Jehovahs witness. You only witness for someone you know or have seen. Have they seen Jehovah before? Jesus said that no one has seen God at anytime except him. He said he is the express image of his personality. So, the one you witness for is Jesus who walked the face of this earth and not Jehovah who you have never seen. Hence Jesus said in Acts 1:8, 'that you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you and you shall be witnesses unto me - JESUS.

Why are they to witness for Jesus. It simply means to attest to the fact that he was crucified. Yes, they confirmed him dead when a sword was pierced through his side. And they also confirmed his resurrection from the dead. Paul argued during the time of his writing that a great number of witnesses to his resurrection are still alive. Yes, even our generation never saw Jesus but we believe the eye witness account of those who saw him according to the four gospels. Their witnesses agree.

We are called to witness for Jesus and not Jehovah. But in witnessing for Jesus, Jehovah is glorified. The Bible says, He that honours the son honours the father but he who dishonours his son, Jesus dishonours Jehovah his father.

The JW are so committed to evangelism but the question is are they preaching the gospel? The message of the gospel is centered on Christ. Have you ever heard any JW come to preach Christ to you? Read the book of Acts thoroughly before you start your blind defence. All the Apostles preached Christ in every cities they went. The good news is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised on the third day to justify us. And anyone who believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. The JW will never preach such message to you because they don't know Jesus and they are not saved. Rather they just tell you to keep God's commandments. If keeping God's commandments is what is needed to be saved, why then did Jesus come? The Jews were given the commandments but they could not keep it because of the sinful nature of the flesh. So, what God did was to send his Son to die for us so that those who believe in him can be loosened from the grip of sin.

The JW teachings will only appeal to those who are not saved because it sounds reasonable but not scriptural. The JW uses reasonings to analyze scriptures. But the truth is that the things of God are foolishness to the natural man. You cannot understand the scriptures with reasonings. You understand with your spirit.

If you are a member of JW, please come out from among them and receive Christ. What is your gain if you deceitfully defend your doctrines when deep within you, you know something is wrong with your interpretation. If you are not a member, please don't believe them. Instead, go and do a personal study. The Bible is within your reach. And don't study with a pre conceived opinion. If you do, you will never get the truth.

I reaffirm my claim. They are anti Christ and doomed to go to the very hell they don't believe exist. You have only one life to live. Don't gamble with it. Give your life to Jesus and attend a Bible believing church.

Ken4Christ:
You can argue to defend a lie just to ensure you win an argument but deep within your conscience, you know you are wrong. This is the attitude of JW adherents. How can you keep on adjusting your interpretations of scriptures from time to time and justify it by simply saying it's permissible. Then, what you are telling us now cannot be relied on as it might soon be subject to another interpretation.

Anyone who allows himself to be deceived by JW has himself to blame. Before you accept something to be truth, you must have examined all scriptures that deals with the issue in question.

The JW are not Christians. They are anti Christ. For you to be a Christian, you must act on Romans 10:9-10. You must first believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and that God raised him up on the third day to justify you. The second stage is Confession of what you believe with your mouth. This is what results in true conversion we also refer to as born again experience.

Now, the JW denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus. They assert that God could have melted his body with chemical. This assertion is an act of wickedness. We all know that this is a lie from the pit of hell.

When Jesus appeared to his disciples, doubting Thomas saw him and touched him. The JW just said that Jesus materialized to make himself touchable. This is one of the worse lie anyone can cook. Jesus had told Thomas, that a spirit has no flesh and bones. So, touch me, I am not just a spirit, he said.

Again, the foundation of this evil organization is illogical and unscriptural. They claim to be Jehovahs witness. You only witness for someone you know or have seen. Have they seen Jehovah before? Jesus said that no one has seen God at anytime except him. He said he is the express image of his personality. So, the one you witness for is Jesus who walked the face of this earth and not Jehovah who you have never seen. Hence Jesus said in Acts 1:8, 'that you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you and you shall be witnesses unto me - JESUS.

Why are they to witness for Jesus. It simply means to attest to the fact that he was crucified. Yes, they confirmed him dead when a sword was pierced through his side. And they also confirmed his resurrection from the dead. Paul argued during the time of his writing that a great number of witnesses to his resurrection are still alive. Yes, even our generation never saw Jesus but we believe the eye witness account of those who saw him according to the four gospels. Their witnesses agree.

We are called to witness for Jesus and not Jehovah. But in witnessing for Jesus, Jehovah is glorified. The Bible says, He that honours the son honours the father but he who dishonours his son, Jesus dishonours Jehovah his father.

The JW are so committed to evangelism but the question is are they preaching the gospel? The message of the gospel is centered on Christ. Have you ever heard any JW come to preach Christ to you? Read the book of Acts thoroughly before you start your blind defence. All the Apostles preached Christ in every cities they went. The good news is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised on the third day to justify us. And anyone who believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. The JW will never preach such message to you because they don't know Jesus and they are not saved. Rather they just tell you to keep God's commandments. If keeping God's commandments is what is needed to be saved, why then did Jesus come? The Jews were given the commandments but they could not keep it because of the sinful nature of the flesh. So, what God did was to send his Son to die for us so that those who believe in him can be loosened from the grip of sin.

The JW teachings will only appeal to those who are not saved because it sounds reasonable but not scriptural. The JW uses reasonings to analyze scriptures. But the truth is that the things of God are foolishness to the natural man. You cannot understand the scriptures with reasonings. You understand with your spirit.

If you are a member of JW, please come out from among them and receive Christ. What is your gain if you deceitfully defend your doctrines when deep within you, you know something is wrong with your interpretation. If you are not a member, please don't believe them. Instead, go and do a personal study. The Bible is within your reach. And don't study with a pre conceived opinion. If you do, you will never get the truth.

I reaffirm my claim. They are anti Christ and doomed to go to the very hell they don't believe exist. You have only one life to live. Don't gamble with it. Give your life to Jesus and attend a Bible believing church.

You have no idea of what is inside Bible. Just another satan agent parading as agent of light just to lie,deceive, taunt, ridicule, kill, hate other humans. Tell me if Jesus would be happy since you church goers breeding hatred and encourage tribal killing,nationalism, war etc. Rwanda, congo, burundi, former , ireland are few countries where your members have sown seeds of hatred. what is christianity if members cannot sow love- a mark of true christianity. john 13:34,35

joyandfaith:
You have no idea of what is inside Bible. Just another satan agent parading as agent of light just to lie,deceive, taunt, ridicule, kill, hate other humans. Tell me if Jesus would be happy since you church goers breeding hatred and encourage tribal killing,nationalism, war etc. Rwanda, congo, burundi, former , ireland are few countries where your members have sown seeds of hatred. what is christianity if members cannot sow love- a mark of true christianity. john 13:34,35

Please dont use strong words like these. It is totally unnecessary and wrong. No one has the authority to label a particular person Satan's agent. Condemnation of beliefs, attitudes and actions are allowed but damnation of a person is totally not acceptable nor permitted. No such authority has been given to anyone. We are just watchmen to warn. Kapish?

rabzy:
Please dont use strong words like these. It is totally unnecessary and wrong. No one has the authority to label a particular person Satan's agent. Condemnation of beliefs, attitudes and actions are allowed but damnation of a person is totally not acceptable nor permitted. No such authority has been given to anyone. We are just watchmen to warn. Kapish?

thank for the correction

goodnews201668:
I don tell you the simple truth, but keep twisting it. And I will still tell you again it's not easy to admit ones error and make adjustments as far Bible understanding is concerned and it's not out of place, the scriptures supports that. Why will it be difficult? Because of mockery from people like you. Many religious groups including yours are aware that most of their doctrines are not correct but nothing has been done. Yo are just a slander, a bitter one at that. The witnesses used to marry more than one wife, many people who couldn't adjust found it difficult to cope and left. They used to smoke and many other things but with time they realized those things are unscriptural and adjusted those who couldn't left, likewise many understanding of Bible teaching. But you just bent on slandering them that's why you find it difficult to believe that in all they are still the best despite their mistakes, weaknesses and imperfections. But in all they have produced the best fruits as a religious group, your hatred won't allow you see. Once again keep repeating yourself, say what you have said again.

You are the one who keeps twisting the truth and repeating the bolded. Until you prove to me that the governing body admitted to their errors, that is when I will take you seriously.

You accuse me of hatred, meanwhile an average watchtower article is not complete without picking on the catholic church or other denominations, are you not an hypocrite?

When you talk about denominations who admitted to their errors, the RCC is one. I would have started a series of expose on the RCC but I abandoned it, after I found that the pope apologized for the misdeeds of RCC and had been open to other christain groups.

Ken4Christ:
You can argue to defend a lie just to ensure you win an argument but deep within your conscience, you know you are wrong. This is the attitude of JW adherents. How can you keep on adjusting your interpretations of scriptures from time to time and justify it by simply saying it's permissible. Then, what you are telling us now cannot be relied on as it might soon be subject to another interpretation.

Anyone who allows himself to be deceived by JW has himself to blame. Before you accept something to be truth, you must have examined all scriptures that deals with the issue in question.

When the blind leads the blind, they'll both fall into a ditch. The JW are not Christians. They are anti Christ. For you to be a Christian, you must act on Romans 10:9-10. You must first believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and that God raised him up on the third day to justify you. The second stage is Confession of what you believe with your mouth. This is what results in true conversion we also refer to as born again experience.

Now, the JW denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus. They assert that God could have melted his body with chemical. This assertion is an act of wickedness. We all know that this is a lie from the pit of hell.

When Jesus appeared to his disciples, doubting Thomas saw him and touched him. The JW just said that Jesus materialized to make himself touchable. This is one of the worse lie anyone can cook. Jesus had told Thomas, that a spirit has no flesh and bones. So, touch me, I am not just a spirit, he said.

Again, the foundation of this evil organization is illogical and unscriptural. They claim to be Jehovahs witness. You only witness for someone you know or have seen. Have they seen Jehovah before? Jesus said that no one has seen God at anytime except him. He said he is the express image of his personality. So, the one you witness for is Jesus who walked the face of this earth and not Jehovah who you have never seen. Hence Jesus said in Acts 1:8, 'that you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you and you shall be witnesses unto me - JESUS.

Why are they to witness for Jesus. It simply means to attest to the fact that he was crucified. Yes, they confirmed him dead when a sword was pierced through his side. And they also confirmed his resurrection from the dead. Paul argued during the time of his writing that a great number of witnesses to his resurrection are still alive. Yes, even our generation never saw Jesus but we believe the eye witness account of those who saw him according to the four gospels. Their witnesses agree.

We are called to witness for Jesus and not Jehovah. But in witnessing for Jesus, Jehovah is glorified. The Bible says, He that honours the son honours the father but he who dishonours his son, Jesus dishonours Jehovah his father.

The JW are so committed to evangelism but the question is are they preaching the gospel? The message of the gospel is centered on Christ. Have you ever heard any JW come to preach Christ to you? Read the book of Acts thoroughly before you start your blind defence. All the Apostles preached Christ in every cities they went. The good news is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised on the third day to justify us. And anyone who believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. The JW will never preach such message to you because they don't know Jesus and they are not saved. Rather they just tell you to keep God's commandments. If keeping God's commandments is what is needed to be saved, why then did Jesus come? The Jews were given the commandments but they could not keep it because of the sinful nature of the flesh. So, what God did was to send his Son to die for us so that those who believe in him can be loosened from the grip of sin.

The JW teachings will only appeal to those who are not saved because it sounds reasonable but not scriptural. The JW uses reasonings to analyze scriptures. But the truth is that the things of God are foolishness to the natural man. You cannot understand the scriptures with reasonings. You understand with your spirit.

If you are a member of JW, please come out from among them and receive Christ. What is your gain if you deceitfully defend your doctrines when deep within you, you know something is wrong with your interpretation. If you are not a member, please don't believe them. Instead, go and do a personal study. The Bible is within your reach. And don't study with a pre conceived opinion. If you do, you will never get the truth.

I reaffirm my claim. They are anti Christ and doomed to go to the very hell they don't believe exist. You have only one life to live. Don't gamble with it. Give your life to Jesus and attend a Bible believing church.

You are rather the one that haven't searched your scriptures well, the Bible clearly shows that christ was resurrected in spirit let me show you.

Colossians 1:18 calls him the firstborn from the dead. What does that mean because there has been accounts about resurrections in the Bible? It means he is the first person to be resurrected as a spirit, first peter chapter 3:18 clearly shows he was resurrected in the spirit.
After his resurrection he was raised to a higher form of life "a spirit". He was once like that in heaven. Read concerning him in 1st timothy 6:16.

Maybe you find it difficult to believe because he appeared to his disciples on many occasions and saw and touched him. Well it's no big deal for Christ to do that, the Angels on many occasions appeared physically and even did things together with humans. To tell you he was resurrected in the spirit at some point his disciples didn't even recognized him , on one occasion they were even surprised how he got into the house that was locked.
And Jehovah's witnesses knows that no one can come to Jehovah God except through Jesus. They appreciate his roles in connection with God's purpose for we humans. So we honour him, how? We imitate him, obey his commandments which also include preaching about God's kingdom.
Last years the theme of our convention is imitate the Christ. So we honour Christ more than any other religious group. He witnessed for Jehovah God so do we. Study your Bible well.

paulGrundy:
You are the one who keeps twisting the truth and repeating the bolded. Until you prove to me that the governing body admitted to their errors, that is when I will take you seriously.

You accuse me of hatred, meanwhile an average watchtower article is not complete without picking on the catholic church or other denominations, are you not an hypocrite?

When you talk about denominations who admitted to their errors, the RCC is one. I would have started a series of expose on the RCC but I abandoned it, after I found that the pope apologized for the misdeeds of RCC and had been open to other christain groups.

Thank you very much, I like the way you reason. I also noticed the way you apologized and admitted that the early christians preached from house to house.

It is also commendable on the part of RCC though Pope was the one that apologized, that is exactly what we are talking about. If you are doing something wrong and you at a point realize it's wrong you amend we are all imperfect. We learn from God's word everyday if not there won't be need for that, for Jehovah's witnesses to make wrong calculations shows they are watchful as Jesus instructed. But let me make it clear they apologized for the errors. It's even in the wikipedia that was and it has been posted here.

goodnews201668:
Thank you very much, I like the way you reason. I also noticed the way you apologized and admitted that the early christians preached from house to house.

It is also commendable on the part of RCC though Pope was the one that apologized, that is exactly what we are talking about. If you are doing something wrong and you at a point realize it's wrong you amend we are all imperfect. We learn from God's word everyday if not there won't be need for that, for Jehovah's witnesses to make wrong calculations shows they are watchful as Jesus instructed

If they were trying to be watchful as Jesus instructed, they would have predicted since several other end of the worlds after 1975.
The 1975 prediction sparked JW's envangelistic efforts, increased JW population, attendance, funding and led to their rapid expansion. Statistics from your year book bears witness to these facts. Prior to then, they were not recognized by the media.
The governing body prolly realized this that's why they didn't admit to their errors so that there would be more room for end of year predictions.

But let me make it clear they apologized for the errors. It's even in the wikipedia that was and it has been posted here.

Admission to an error is different from blaming others or telling lies to absolve oneself from blame. When one claims that his prediction of the end of the world is a prophecy from God and when its fails he now claims he NEVER spoke for God. That's a lie, not admission to error. It simply means he told lies in Jehovahs name, and his reffusal to admit such an error shows he has a sinister agenda to decieve people. There are several other examples of such outlined in jwfacts.com. Infact that was what drew my to the site.
I was once taking study diligently with a JW woman, I was drawn to her emphasis on truth and how she always encoaraged me to seek truth and question my beliefs. What even drew me to her was something we had in common: passion for the truth. I was reading a lot of your literature and I loved how your literature is rich in scripture. One day I was thinking, since the watchtower teach and preached "truth" and tried to base their beliefs on scripture then they may just be the one and true religion as they claim. Until...
One day I had an argument with her on trinity she said something that suprised me: she said the Catholic churche's founding fathers Never taught trinity, and that its a pagan concept that crept into christainity. It got me thinking trinity is one of the bases of the RCC's faith, from the sign of the cross, to the design of st Peters basilicals the depicts trinity something is fishy. She gave me some literatures on trinity and asked me to study it I took up the challenge and studied it, I skimmed to the place that claimed that trinity was never taught by RCC's founders or apostolic fathers as the article described them. I googled a the quote of catholic encyclopeadia found in that article, and then in my google search results I came across jwfacts.com. [Color=red]what I saw shocked me!!! How the watchtower used ellipses to misrepresent the quote and made it look as if the writer was speaking against trinity, when infact he was speaking in support of it[/red].
Remembered what she said about the internet and how apostate pry the net to decieve the gullible ones. Well I thought to myself why not confirm the quote at the Catholic church website? which I did and found out that Paul Grundy was infact accurate!
I got engrossed to the site, I read every bit of the articles on jwfacts.com and verified them and saw that they were accurate. What I read disgusted me, systematic lies and cover-ups, hypocrisy, cruel manipulation and propaganda. I prepared some questions along side their quotes and facts for my bible study conductor but I didn't tell her that I have been reading an "apostate" website. She couldn't answer all my questions and prove my quotes and facts wrong. After that day I stopped taking study with her.
After then I resolved that I must expose the dishonesty of the watchtower and the internet provided the best means to effect that. Thanks to jwfacts.com by now I would have been carrying bag and umbrella inside hot sun.