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Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 8:24am On Apr 03, 2016
Hagm0nd:
This is what you all do scream hatred when your claims are refuted
im waiting for the days isreal will officially recognise you,till then you can keep being jewish on nairaland
bye
I didn't see any claims refuted by you, all I saw was non verified claims by you and I replied you accordingly and each time I did, you ended up running around in circles

Did you refute the claims by the lemba Jews who are said to be full blacks? No all u did was try to link their history with that of Jewish traders who you said got married to the locals forgetting that being Jewish comes from maternal and not paternal. And also DNA test have Been done to ascertain the lemba jewishness with results that made the Jewish community surprised, lemba Jews had the highest concentration of the Cohen modal haplotype than any other Jewish group and they are full blacks, even after all these evidence, you choose to look the other side.

Listen mr. Accept the truth when you see it, anyone who goes through this thread will realize that the only reason why you object to the truth is because of your hatred for the igbos and in true fact, non of the nonsense you first listed as a criteria for being Jewish is correct.

Op can you pls answer this questions.

If truly ibos are jewush descendants

why do ibos have dark skin like evey other negros
why do ibos have wooly hair unlike jew that have semitic hair type
why do ibos have thick lips ike every african
why do ibos have round and wide noses like every negro

if you cant answer this questions then you are descendants of jews in your wild but blurry imaginations
If I may ask, after challenging your stupidity with verified facts, why did you end up swallowing your vomit? Or do you think you were discussing with some uneducated mofo who types what ever comes out of his head?

FYI: I'm not interested in trying to convince you, my happiness here and now is at least the readers who have watch you shofisticated yorubas abuse and curse the Igbo history can finally see who is the joker here.

I can boldly say that you are driven by anger because i asked questions about verified history and cooked up history (fairly tales) of the two biggest ethnic groups in Nigeria , namely the igbos and yorubas. I pray that you end up educating yourself rather than disgrace you and your ethnic group.

If you think I did this to mock the yorubas, well my response to that is yes and no, why?

No: Im educating my fellow Nigerians and the ignorant world at large about the rich history of the igbos.

Yes: I was tired of the curses and abuses from your ethnic group about the igbo's history forgetting that their history looks like an abandoned script from alien and predators.

Dont cry over this, The hate is mutual smiley
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 8:28am On Apr 03, 2016
Lol, come and see this Igbo hater trying so hard to rubbish Igbo Jewish claims, even after cultural, archeological evidence supports it.

cheesy

Cc: OneNaira6, ugomba, cheruv
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 8:35am On Apr 03, 2016
So shameful of you that you cant fight on your own without calling your army
aint even trying at all
it was fun slapping your head without blink an eye
scoleman:
Lol, come and see this Igbo hater trying so hard to rubbish Igbo Jewish claims, even after cultural, archeological evidence supports it.

cheesy

Cc: OneNaira6, ugomba, cheruv
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 8:37am On Apr 03, 2016
Hagm0nd:
So shameful of you that you cant fight on your own without calling your army
aint even trying at all
it was fun slapping your head without blink an eye
Lmao e pain am. cheesy cheesy

Just so you know, I don't regard you as someone educated, so i decided to call others to even refute it the more and that's if I'm wrong.
So seat back and relax cool
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 8:40am On Apr 03, 2016
Stopping parrot hate after checking leba tribe under wikipedia all i did was laugh hard
not only did they support my claims
the article shows what type of lousy liar you are
scoleman:
I didn't see any claims refuted by you, all I saw was non verified claims by you and I replied you accordingly and each time I did, you ended up running around in circles

Did you refute the claims by the lemba Jews who are said to be full blacks? No all u did was try to link their history with that of Jewish traders who you said got married to the locals forgetting that being Jewish comes from maternal and not paternal. And also DNA test have Been done to ascertain the lemba jewishness with results that made the Jewish community surprised, lemba Jews had the highest concentration of the Cohen modal haplotype than any other Jewish group and they are full blacks, even after all these evidence, you choose to look the other side.

Listen mr. Accept the truth when you see it, anyone who goes through this thread will realize that the only reason why you object to the truth is because of your hatred for the igbos and in true fact, non of the nonsense you first listed as a criteria for being Jewish is correct.




If I may ask, after challenging your stupidity with verified facts, why did you end up swallowing your vomit? Or do you think you were discussing with some uneducated mofo who types what ever comes out of his head?

FYI: I'm not interested in trying to convince you, my happiness here and now is at least the readers who have watch you shofisticated yorubas abuse and curse the Igbo history can finally see who is the joker here.

I can boldly say that you are driven by anger because i asked questions about verified history and cooked up history (fairly tales) of the two biggest ethnic groups in Nigeria , namely the igbos and yorubas. I pray that you end up educating yourself rather than disgrace you and your ethnic group.

If you think I did this to mock the yorubas, well my response to that is yes and no, why?

No: Im educating my fellow Nigerians and the ignorant world at large about the rich history of the igbos.

Yes: I was tired of the curses and abuses from your ethnic group about the igbo's history forgetting that their history looks like an abandoned script from alien and predators.

Dont cry over this, The hate is mutual smiley
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 8:44am On Apr 03, 2016
You are the pained one
trying to shove your bullshit down the throat of every nigerian
all we do is sit back and laugh
scoleman:
Lmao e pain am. cheesy cheesy

Just so you know, I don't regard you as someone educated, so i decided to call others to even refute it the more and that's if I'm wrong.
So seat back and relax cool
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 8:46am On Apr 03, 2016
Hagm0nd:
Stopping parrot hate after checking leba tribe under wikipedia all i did was laugh hard
not only did they support my claims
the article shows what type of lousy liar you are
Since it supports your claim, kindly explain to everyone here, at least every time I post a link/source. I give excerpts.

I'm waiting
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 8:49am On Apr 03, 2016
Lol so you are trying hard now
lmao
do me the favor like you always do
kindly post the wikipedia page yourself
oga jew
scoleman:
Since it supports your claim, kindly explain to everyone here, at least every time I post a link/source. I give excerpts.

I'm waiting
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 9:00am On Apr 03, 2016
Hagm0nd:
Lol so you are trying hard now
lmao
do me the favor like you always do
kindly post the wikipedia page yourself
oga jew
Lol, I won't post wiki links. Below are well known Jewish journal websites. Kindly feed your ignorance.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/lemba-tribe-in-southern-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal

http://haruth.com/jw/JewishLemba.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/unlike-many-lost-tribes-zimbabwe-clan-has-science-on-its-side-1.428836?v=DD7717778BD6EB80A39789AAB2ECCCE9


Unlike many 'lost tribes,' Zimbabwe clan has science on its side
The secretive Lemba observe strict rules that have more in common with norms in Jerusalem than Harare: a ban on pork, ritual slaughter of livestock and male circumcision.

GUTU, Zimbabwe - Yarmulkes bob as voices swell in a sacred song carried from Biblical times to the scenic fields of a far-flung southern African village that is home to a "lost tribe" of Israel.

"We have been singing this song for about 2,600 years. It's an old, old song," said Perez Hamandishe, wearing a white crocheted skullcap with a blue Star of David, standing in a small village near Gutu, some 200 kilometers south of the capital Harare.

Lemba - AFP - 8.5.12
The Lemba tribe practices Judaism as a culture, though not as a faith, and traces the tradition to the time of Moses. AFP
He is a member of the country's Lemba tribe, which still observes Jewish traditions. DNA evidence from tribe members show that these traditions were brought here from the Middle East thousands of years ago.

The secretive Lemba observe strict rules that have more in common with norms in Jerusalem than Harare: a ban on pork, ritual slaughter of livestock and male circumcision.

They see themselves as southern Africa's tribe of "black Jews" who have honored their Semitic roots for centuries, despite converting to faiths including Christianity and Islam.

Their oral histories have been borne out by their genes: Unlike other groups with similar claims, the Lemba can point to genetic proof of links to the eastern Mediterranean. Causing a splash in the late 1990s, tests showed that around 55 percent of Jews named Cohen shared an ancestor from the Biblical time of Moses - and that a Lemba clan did as well. "They also shared this ancestor who lived about 3,000 years ago in the Middle East," said Lemba expert Tudor Parfitt. "It's a very interesting genetics story, and it's a very interesting human story in that the genetics supports the [Lemba's] very passionate belief."

There is no written history of their forefathers' passage to what is now Zimbabwe, but the Lemba believe their forefathers arrived with a replica ark - known as the ngoma lungundu - that went missing.

The Lemba say they are descendants of white men who came from a place believed to be modern Yemen. But their ties to Judaism are cultural and not religious, they say.

"If you remove Judaism, you have removed our culture," said Hamandishe, a member of Zimbabwe's parliament. "So we know Judaism as a culture, not as a religion.

"We tried to tell everyone about us, but people wouldn't believe it. But now that hard science has proved it, we are now happy that what we have been telling them has come to be the truth," said Hamandishe, who has visited Israel.

Views are mixed on taking advantage of Israel's "right of return," ranging from enthusiasm over settling in the Jewish state to reluctance over being uprooted and having to find a new home and learn a new language.

Numbering around 70,000, Lemba are also found in upper South Africa and share customs that are kept secret from the outside world. "Lemba is culture," said Shepherd Tseisi, the son of the chief in Mberengwa, another Lemba stronghold further south in Zimbabwe, reached via a bone-rattling drive down dirt roads that wind deep into the countryside.

"Because of our movements and the environment that we live in, some of our cultural activities tend to change. But the concept of being a Lemba ... that's the same."

Tribe members, who claim to have built Great Zimbabwe, a medieval stone city now in ruins that is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, have managed to prevent their customs from being absorbed or wiped out by dominant local or colonial cultures.

"Because of the passing of time, quite a number of things were forgotten, but very important things were actually remembered," said local headmaster Jacob Nyikavaranda, one of the elders who act as custodians of Lemba history.

"We are using Shona because Shona is now our local language. We have forgotten our original language (Hebrew )," Hamandishe said. The Lemba have also relaxed a ban on marrying outside the tribe.

While similar communities with Judaic identities exist in Africa, the Lemba have science in their corner. "I think it's fair to say that in absolutely the whole of Africa, they are unique because there are plenty of other tribes, many, many, many other tribes throughout Africa, who claim to have Israelite origins," Parfitt said.

"But the (Lemba ) are the only tribe who claim to have Israelite origins who've actually got any genetic proof. There is this very strong DNA evidence that they came from the eastern Mediterranean," he said.

"But they're black, they're a fairly well-integrated part of southern African society, they speak only local languages and they're Christians for the most part, so their identity is very complicated. And quite what they make of it in the future ... we'll have to see."
Ever wondered why the igbos culture seem to be exactly the same with the Jewish? Ever wondered why their skin colour doesn't corolate with the West African locals surrounding them?

Mr man there's more to it than the eyes see and the lembas have proven it.

Now you can suck my oozing balls cheesy
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 9:22am On Apr 03, 2016
Lembas didnt migrate from the mid east they were converted and married by male jewish traders that is why you dont any woman with the so called genetic links its only found in male
btw how does the story of lembas become that of ibos
only lembas are proof by dna while beta jews are recognised by isreal
boy you gat no balls only women talk this much,damn it
scoleman:
Lol, I won't post wiki links. Below are well known Jewish journal websites. Kindly feed your ignorance.

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/lemba-tribe-in-southern-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal

http://haruth.com/jw/JewishLemba.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/unlike-many-lost-tribes-zimbabwe-clan-has-science-on-its-side-1.428836?v=DD7717778BD6EB80A39789AAB2ECCCE9





Ever wondered why the igbos culture seem to be exactly the same with the Jewish? Ever wondered why their skin colour doesn't corolate with the West African locals surrounding them?

Mr man there's more to it than the eyes see and the lembas have proven it.

Now you can suck my oozing balls cheesy
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 10:02am On Apr 03, 2016
Hagm0nd:
Lembas didnt migrate from the mid east they were converted and married by male jewish traders that is why you dont any woman with the so called genetic links its only found in male
btw how does the story of lembas become that of ibos
only lembas are proof by dna while beta jews are recognised by isreal
boy you gat no balls only women talk this much,damn it
Lol, you are an illiterate, even after posting verified links, u still don't wanna agree to the obvious truth.

This is the end of our discussion.

EOD
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by Nobody: 10:20am On Apr 03, 2016
Show me where it is written that women were used in the dna study
i guessed right,none

literate jew wannabe
scoleman:
Lol, you are an illiterate, even after posting verified links, u still don't wanna agree to the obvious truth.

This is the end of our discussion.

EOD
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 10:32am On Apr 03, 2016
scoleman:
Is this one high? Or are you just high with hatred for the igbos? common sense tells you that traditionally, Jewish status passes down through the mother, not the father. FYI, lemba Jews are full blacks.

Source:
http://m.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/968282/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Passed-Down-Through-the-Mother.htm

http://www.jewfaq.org/m/whoisjew.htm

By tye way, did you even read or research about the lemba jews, or you just made use of basic copulation/parental tradition to reply back just so you can refute my verified claims.

Infact I'm done with you.. Good luck on your quest to refute the Igbo Jewish claims.
Lol
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by scoleman(op): 9:17pm On Apr 03, 2016
Ikeg7416

bro just go through this thread and see the hate of that mofo just because I refuted his claims.
Re: Igbo Progenitor Story Vs Yoruba Progenitor Story, Facts & Fiction by macof(m): 10:02pm On Apr 04, 2016
The op is just confused...opened this thread to claim hebrew ancestry.after being schooled he declares "hate for igbos" grin
So love for igbos is by claiming jewish ancestry shocked

Well op, oduduwa that came from the heavens is not the same as the king of ife...jst same name. One is a spiritual entity the other a man. Oduduwa also didn't come from mecca, but oke-ora
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