tempem:
Why so much hatred on Jwitnesses?

I don't hate them but I'm advocating for the truth so that they can come to the truth. You can see how they are calling me a liar but if it is their organization, would they believe that their organization is lying?

Emusan:


I don't hate them but I'm advocating for the truth so that they can come to the truth. You can see how they are calling me a liar but if it is their organization, would they believe that their organization is lying?

But, please, how about the screenshot that was shown to counter yours? I READ THEM, DEAR! And again, there was a book you ref that I don't know.

I created this thread not to openly lie about JW beliefs but using the same tactics that JW always employ to deceive their followers in their various magazines.
From the comments so far by few JW members, it’s evident that I (the OP) was tagged a LIAR.

This can be seen as listed below:

Jessicha: In attempt to refute this thread, she started with a Biblical quote (though misrepresented the verse) ‘sweeping “away the refugee of lie”’ Isaiah 28:17. Thereafter, she began to quote the OP serially with a statement LIE 1; LIE 2; LIE 3; LIE 4

Another JW who seems to be more open-minded took to a search and come back with his own findings said;

tempem: You are wrong, sir…Only didn’t verify LIE two(2) and in another place he said “Eventually we found all you said to be FALSE with detailed proof”

One frustrated JW said this;

Xenox: You are a forsaken slanderer and a SUPER LIAR. You TWEAK SENTENCES to propagate your LIES.

The last among them said;

joyandfaith: OP is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Opening thread to lie about JW.

What if you found out that this is how Watchtower Society has been operating all this while, will you have called them a liar?

What if I tell you that this is the same method JW have been employed in their publications?

I’ll only site few instances where JW publications agreed with the OP

JW actual quote will appear in Blue while what they left out will appear normal.

1. JW quote from Reasoning from the Scriptures Book

The Greek word rendered “Cross” in many modern Bible versions (“torture stake” in NW) is stauros’. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a CROSSPIECE. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: ”The Greek word for cross, [stauros’], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. …Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.” Edited by P. Fairbrairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.” Reasoning from the scriptures p.89

What he really said:
”The Greek word for cross, (stauros’), properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. But a modification was introduced as the dominion and usages of Rome extended themselves through Greek-speaking countries. Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole, and always remained the more prominent part. But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment, a traverse piece of wood was commonly added: not however always then. …There can be no doubt, however, that the later sort was the more common, and that about the [size=14pt]period of the Gospel Age, crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood.”[/size] The imperial Dictionary p. 376

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

2. JW quote from Creation Book

“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’” Creation p. 143

What he really said:
“…They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life. It was the marvellous fit of organisms to the environment, much more than the great diversity of forms, that was the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer. Darwin realized that if a naturalistic theory of evolution was to be successful, it would have to explain the apparent perfection of organisms and not simply their variation.” – Richard C. Lewontin, “Adaption”, Scientific American, vol 239, September 1978, p. 213

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

3. JW quote from Creation Book
“The scientific magazine Discover put the situation this way: “Evolution… is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among palaeontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism”” Creation Book p. 15 Para 4

What he really said:
“Charles Darwin’s brilliant theory of evolution, published in 1859, had a stunning impact on scientific and religious thought and forever changed man’s perception of himself. Now that hallowed theory is not only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientists. Among palaeontologists, scientists who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the prevailing view of Darwinism. …Most of the debate will center on one key question: Does the three-billion-year-old process of evolution creep at a steady pace, or is it marked by long periods of inactivity punctuated by short bursts of rapid change? Darwin’s widely accepted view – that evolution proceeds steadily, at a crawl – favors the tortoise.” James Gorman, “The Tortoise or the Hare?”, Discover, October 1980, p. 88

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

4. JW from Creation Book
“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem. For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes … could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

What he really said:
”To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false;” Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859, p. 133

5. JW quote from should you believe in Trinity booklet
“And the new Catholic Encyclopedia also says. “And the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]””. Should you believe in Trinity p.6

What it really said:
“The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity.

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

Emusan:
2. JW quote from Creation Book

“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’” Creation p. 143

What he really said:
“…They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life. It was the marvellous fit of organisms to the environment, much more than the great diversity of forms, that was the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer. Darwin realized that if a naturalistic theory of evolution was to be successful, it would have to explain the apparent perfection of organisms and not simply their variation.” – Richard C. Lewontin, “Adaption”, Scientific American, vol 239, September 1978, p. 213

Cc: Jessicha, Tempem, Xenox, joyandfaith

You wanted to be noticed! But before I'll ignore you, please help me with this: "If witnesses were a false religion, please show me where to head.

Emusan:


I'll be awaiting your research sir.

there is a Big difference between TOTALLY CHANGING a persons quote as uv done and quoting part of a persons statement.

seems u forget that in your own case, YOUR STATEMENTS ARE NOT FOUND IN THE PUBLICATIONS REFERENCED, ARE THEY?

but am happy you show the world that the statements quote by the witnesses are FOUND IN THE AUTHORS QUOTE


Asiri e ti tu, opuro .

Jessicha:
there is a Big difference between TOTALLY CHANGING a persons quote as uv done and quoting part of a persons statement.

And you couldn't see this in your organization quote as well hypocrite!

seems u forget that in your own case, YOUR STATEMENTS ARE NOT FOUND IN THE PUBLICATIONS REFERENCED, ARE THEY?

Jesus!!! You can come with this broad day lie.

Show me just one of my statement that was not found in any publication I quoted. Devil himself will be afraid of your lie.

but am happy you show the world that the statements quote by the witnesses are FOUND IN THE AUTHORS QUOTE

SMH...It was found there but twisted and misrepresented. Shame on you for defending the indefensible.

Asiri JW ti tu, opuro .

You don't even have shame

You're now singing another song.

tempem:
You wanted to be noticed!

And you couldn't say this at first but quickly went on research.

But before I'll ignore you,

Have you done a research to confirm what I posted the way you did at beginning? If not you're not being truthful to yourself.

please help me with this: "If witnesses were a false religion, please show me where to head.

They're false religion just as I've proved it with fact and the way you verified my post with fact.

Well you have your Bible, then do more research on It (Use different version, find out what the early fathers practiced and seek God personally).

Emusan:


Jesus!!! You can come with this broad day lie.

Show me just one of my statement that was not found in any publication I quoted. Devil himself will be afraid of your le.

to quickly expose you

"We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

from which publicatioñ did Jehovahs witnesses declared the above ?

Jessicha:

to quickly expose you

"We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

from which publicatioñ did Jehovahs witnesses declared the above ?

Shaking my head for you, I've said initially that I'm just using the same tactics that JW always used.

This is what you posted to counter that statement, if my statement wasn't there how will you find out?

Humans are made from dust. (Genesis 2:7; 3:19) We are not spirits living in a body of flesh. We are physical creatures, so no part of us survives death.
When we die, Our brain dies too, and our thoughts perish. Thus, Lazarus said nothing about his experience of death because the dead are unconscious.—Read Psalm 146:4; .Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10

The bold parts are the ones I quoted out, then hiding the rest with ellipse just the way your organization usually does.

But remember you said STATEMENTS means PLURAL.

Again, from which source did Richard C declare this statement written by JW?
“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’”

Emusan:


Shaking my head for you, I've said initially that I'm just using the same tactics that JW always used.

This is what you posted to counter that statement, if my statement wasn't there how will you find out?




The bold parts are the ones I quoted out, then hiding the rest with ellipse just the way your organization usually does.

But remember you said STATEMENTS means PLURAL.

Again, from which source did Richard C declare this statement written by JW?
“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’”

. continue to make noise ,
how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

Emusan:
You're now singing another song.



And you couldn't say this at first but quickly went on research.



Have you done a research to confirm what I posted the way you did at beginning? If not you're not being truthful to yourself.



They're false religion just as I've proved it with fact and the way you verified my post with fact.

Well you have your Bible, then do more research on It (Use different version, find out what the early fathers practiced and seek God personally).

Lol...... I have proved all you wrote to be false.. And God who created heaven and earth knows that I proved you wrong with my references.
Your suggestion should best fit you...
Mat 24: 45&46 has shown that we'll really have those that'll be feeding us spiritual food..
Heb 10: 24&25 shows that it's vital not to forsake our meeting together.

Please, don't quote me again. I won't dignify you with a mention. And see, God will be the Judge between me and you if I never proved your references a huge lie. Bye.

Emusan:
I created this thread not to openly lie about JW beliefs but using the same tactics that JW always employ to deceive their followers in their various magazines.
From the comments so far by few JW members, it’s evident that I (the OP) was tagged a LIAR.

This can be seen as listed below:


Another JW who seems to be more open-minded took to a search and come back with his own findings said;


One frustrated JW said this;


The last among them said;


What if you found out that this is how Watchtower Society has been operating all this while, will you have called them a liar?

What if I tell you that this is the same method JW have been employed in their publications?

I’ll only site few instances where JW publications agreed with the OP

JW actual quote will appear in Blue while what they left out will appear normal.

So JW's can research on topics like this, but if its from jwfacts.com they will shout lies! But won't be able to defend it.

Jessicha:

. continue to make noise ,
how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

None is lieing, Emz's quote did not alter the intended meaning of Jesus. Emusan is talking about misquoting someone to make him say what he did not say.

When you quote a comment of someone on trinity, and you make him/her say what he did not say with the use of ellipses, that is a fraud, 419.

tempem:

Lol...... I have proved all you wrote to be false..

Between, what do you have to say about your own Watchtower who did the same thing that I did? I can see you didn't bother to talk about your own Organization.

And God who created heaven and earth knows that I proved you wrong with my references.

And God who created heavens and earth knows that Watchtower also uses the method to deceived you.

Does Watchtower society a liar just as you called me a liar? Now you're calling on God when you cant use the same word you used for me on Watchtower OR when you can prove my post wrong but cant prove watchtower publications wrong. And you think God will be happy!

Your suggestion should best fit you...

You're right and that's why I know the truth.

Mat 24: 45&46 has shown that we'll really have those that'll be feeding us spiritual food..

Yet those who supposed to be feeding you with this spiritual food wrote the same way I wrote which you believed you've proved wrong but never say anything about their writing.

Heb 10: 24&25 shows that it's vital not to forsake our meeting together.

The meeting of the true believers not a liar like JW.

Please, don't quote me again. I won't dignify you with a mention.

Now I should not quote you again after I've exposed the bitter truth about your organization.

You rushed to this thread thinking you've seen an Apostate lying about your organization, you went on vigorous research and came back with a result happy that you've finally cleared issue but unknowingly to you that the OP is just a silence point of turning the table on you.

And see, God will be the Judge between me and you if I never proved your references a huge lie. Bye.

I Agreed! But let the same God be a judge between you and me if you've done enough justice to this thread and let your conscience says of the truth whether you're being truthful to yourself here.

Jessicha:
continue to make noise ,

Why you continue to defend lie.

how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

I see you're still trying harder just prove Watchtower right and still nailed me to cross when what I did was the same thing watchtower did in their publications.

Firstly, you can see ELLIPSES in between those words which means something is missing and by doing that the original view of the author and the true meaning of that sentence is lost. That's why you can verify and came up with the real statement which made you called me A LIAR.

Secondly, Watchtower also used this same tactics by USING an ELLIPSE to hide the true view of the author or lost the actual message the author is conveying.

Lastly, I asked what is the different between what I did and what Watchtower society did?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

Your illustration is vague and hold no water.

No matter how you twist it or trying to justify it you're wrong and in fact you're even exposing watchtower publications' fraud more. [size=14pt]in case you don't know Watchtower society uses the two references you sited in short there are many cases where Watchtower society will make a statement and attributed their own statement to the author their quoting. Did I do that here?[/size] so using this line of argument won't help you at all.

Here are the examples:

CASE 1: 4. JW from Creation Book
[size=14pt]“Darwin acknowledged this as a problem.[/size] For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eyes …could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I
freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”” Creation Book p. 18

Look at the underline statement attributed to Darwin, does Darwin acknowledge any problem in his statement? NO! But watchtower said he did.

Look at the ELLIPSE, does anyone reading watchtower quote wont think Darwin truly confess why HIS ACTUAL STATEMENT HAD BEEN HIDDEN AND WHAT THEY LEFT OUT OF HIS STATEMENT WHICH CONCLUDED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WERE NOT FOUND.

Lastly, the word by [EVOLUTION] was not the actual statement of Darwin it was inserted by Watchtower the actual words in his statement are "by natural
selection,"

Let me just stop with this case 1 because it's enough evident that your illustration is baseless whereas I'll advice you to go back to my counter posts (FIVE 5 POSTS) which none of you have not refuted and read them one by one this time because I know you didn't bother to read them in details since it's already about Watchtower. You'll see that everything in your illustration covered.

The only people who can't see it in my counter posts are the ones Devil has blinded their conscience.

paulGrundy:


None is lieing, Emz's quote did not alter the intended meaning of Jesus. Emusan is talking about misquoting someone to make him say what he did not say.

When you quote a comment of someone on trinity, and you make him/her say what he did not say with the use of ellipses, that is a fraud, 419.

You can see how she's trying the more to prove those watchtower publications right and prove me to be a liar.

The funny part of it was that they didn't know the purpose of this thread before they began to call me all sought of names.

But the saddest part of it is that none of them can call Watchtower society A LIAR now, despite the fact that, what I did that made them to tag me A LIAR was the same thing Watchtower society did.

Jessicha:

. continue to make noise ,
how can you quote words out of a single sentence @ underlined and u are not ashamed ?

with reference to Jesus statement at matthew 15:11 . which of these is a fraud and a liar

first man:

dasky: Jesus said that a man is contaminated by " ... what comes out of their mouth" . he quotes part of the statement without altering what he quotes .

the second man :

Emz : Jesus said that " what goes into someones mouth does ... defile them" . he hids #not# , thereby altering the sentence he quotes.

honestly tell me which of them is a liar ?

My sister he is a shameless slander and hateful liar ooo, just seeking for attention.
The devil will even be disappointed with the way they lie, the have collected his title as the father of lie from him.

They can't survive with lying, the JWs must be such a threat to them that they hardly live without attacking them.

Leaves this disgusting thread.

goodnews201668:


My sister he is a shameless slander and hateful liar ooo, just seeking for attention.
The devil will even be disappointed with the way they lie, the have collected his title as the father of lie from him.

no matter how many times you lie, Christians know that the father of lies is the phony jw's god.


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Emusan:


Why you continue to defend lie.



I see you're still trying harder just prove Watchtower right and still nailed me to cross when what I did was the same thing watchtower did in their publications.

Firstly, you can see ELLIPSES in between those words which means something is missing and by doing that the original view of the author and the true meaning of that sentence is lost. That's why you can verify and came up with the real statement which made you called me A LIAR.

Secondly, Watchtower also used this same tactics by USING an ELLIPSE to hide the true view of the author or lost the actual message the author is conveying.

Lastly, I asked what is the different between what I did and what Watchtower society did?



Your illustration is vague and hold no water.

No matter how you twist it or trying to justify it you're wrong and in fact you're even exposing watchtower publications' fraud more. [size=14pt]in case you don't know Watchtower society uses the two references you sited in short there are many cases where Watchtower society will make a statement and attributed their own statement to the author their quoting. Did I do that here?[/size] so using this line of argument won't help you at all.

Here are the examples:



Look at the underline statement attributed to Darwin, does Darwin acknowledge any problem in his statement? NO! But watchtower said he did.

Look at the ELLIPSE, does anyone reading watchtower quote wont think Darwin truly confess why HIS ACTUAL STATEMENT HAD BEEN HIDDEN AND WHAT THEY LEFT OUT OF HIS STATEMENT WHICH CONCLUDED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WERE NOT FOUND.

Lastly, the word by [EVOLUTION] was not the actual statement of Darwin it was inserted by Watchtower the actual words in his statement are "by natural
selection,"

Let me just stop with this case 1 because it's enough evident that your illustration is baseless whereas I'll advice you to go back to my counter posts (FIVE 5 POSTS) which none of you have not refuted and read them one by one this time because I know you didn't bother to read them in details since it's already about Watchtower. You'll see that everything in your illustration covered.

The only people who can't see it in my counter posts are the ones Devil has blinded their conscience.

if u study my illustration above, you would see the difference in your shameless altering
of the statement and quoting a part of someones statement without touching the free flow of the sentences of the part quoted like u did .

by hidding °not° , the guy statement read Jesus said what enters the mouth defiles a man . which is an outright lie . same thing u did with the publications sited .


but checking Darwins quote and what u posted as his full statement , is the free flow of the sentence altered ? no , its exactly as its written in the book .

nd the purpose of the Ellipse is to remove the irrelevant details , check Darwins quote , the point left out by the Ellipse is his descriptions of the eye which is irrelevant to the subject in discussion


----- then you shifted to darwin Acknowledge this as a problem, a sane person asks ? what is that THIS that the writer believe darwin acknowledge?

for example at Matthew 8:17.
"
This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”


a sane person asks : what is that THIS that the writer meant was fulfilled in line with isaiahs quote ?

the writer explains that at the preceeding statement at matthew 8:16,.
"
That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick."


therefore Emusan, provide a scanned copy of the page and lets see the preceeding statement that led to the quote ?

Jessicha:
if u study my illustration above, you would see the difference in your shameless altering
of the statement and quoting a part of someones statement without touching the free flow of the sentences of the part quoted like u did.

Like I said, you're just attacking strawman without taking your time to digest my counter post. Now you resorted to "FREE FLOW OF THE SENTENCE" But let's see whether you truly understand yourself by trying hard to defend the lie your organization engaged in.

by hidding °not° , the guy statement read Jesus said what enters the mouth defiles a man . which is an outright lie . same thing u did with the publications sited .

Yes I agreed, but for Watchtower publication to quote a part of statement and left the rest out which actually change the true meaning of the author's point of view and conclusion isn't OUTRIGHT LIE, abi? Just Continue...

but checking Darwins quote and what u posted as his full statement , is the free flow of the sentence altered ? no , its exactly as its written in the book .

Answer me, does it appear in Darwin's statement that he sees anything as a problem which Watchtower attributed to him? "Darwin acknowledged this as a problem."

While quoting Richard Lewontin Watchtower said this; “Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully
designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence
of a Supreme Designer’”

In your mind of perjury, can't you see how this man's statement was twisted by watchtower to suit their false teaching?

Notice it was the word 'THAT' which was removed by watchtower that change the sentence forever and also that a FULL STOP was placed after "DESIGNED" by watchtower whereas the statement of Richard is a continous one with They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life."

[size=14pt]nd the purpose of the Ellipse is to remove the irrelevant details,[/size] check Darwins quote , the point left out by the Ellipse is his descriptions of the eye which is irrelevant to the subject in discussion

Just imaging rubish thing you said @bold, who told you they are IRRELEVANT? HOW CAN YOU BE SUPPORTING A DECEPTIVE QUOTE LIKE THIS? who have right to render someones work irrelivant?

----- then you shifted to darwin Acknowledge this as a problem, a sane person asks ? what is that THIS that the writer believe darwin acknowledge?

for example at Matthew 8:17.
"
This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”


a sane person asks : what is that THIS that the writer meant was fulfilled in line with isaiahs quote ?

Another way of diverting attention, before verse 17 vr 16 has already pointed out that Jesus performed many healing MIRACLES BY THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH. So just quoting out vr17 is what Watchtower always does leaving the main point.

the writer explains that at the preceeding statement at matthew 8:16,.
"
That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick."


therefore Emusan, provide a scanned copy of the page and lets see the preceeding statement that led to the quote ?

You're right, so go back to my counter posts and see the details are there.

Cc: dolphinheart

Rilwon:
Cc: dolphinheart

wetin happen sir!

dolphinheart:
wetin happen sir!

Aren't you a watchtower member?

Emusan:


Like I said, you're just attacking strawman without taking your time to digest my counter post. Now you resorted to "FREE FLOW OF THE SENTENCE" But let's see whether you truly understand yourself by trying hard to defend the lie your organization engaged in.



Yes I agreed, but for Watchtower publication to quote a part of statement and left the rest out which actually change the true meaning of the author's point of view and conclusion isn't OUTRIGHT LIE, abi? Just Continue...



Answer me, does it appear in Darwin's statement that he sees anything as a problem which Watchtower attributed to him? "Darwin acknowledged this as a problem."

" I freely CONFESS" , he acknowledged by confessing that the eye appearing by natural selection is absurd .




con- fess
1.
2.
[kuh n- fes]
verb (used with object)
to acknowledge

While quoting Richard Lewontin Watchtower said this; “Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully
designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence
of a Supreme Designer’”

In your mind of perjury, can't you see how this man's statement was twisted by watchtower to suit their false teaching?

Notice it was the word 'THAT' which was removed by watchtower that change the sentence forever and also that a FULL STOP was placed after "DESIGNED" by watchtower whereas the statement of Richard is a continous one with They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life."

did he said organisms appear to have been carefully and artfully Designed ? Yes

he acknowledge the design in some organisms. thats the point .

Just imaging rubish thing you said @bold, who told you they are IRRELEVANT? HOW CAN YOU BE SUPPORTING A DECEPTIVE QUOTE LIKE THIS? who have right to render someones work irrelivant?




Another way of diverting attention, before verse 17 vr 16 has already pointed out that Jesus performed many healing MIRACLES BY THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH. So just quoting out vr17 is what Watchtower always does leaving the main point.



You're right, so go back to my counter posts and see the details are there.

verse 16 which is the preceeding verse pointed out, therefore submit a scanned copy of the creation book on the page of Darwins discussion, lets see the point been discussed by the writer ?

Rilwon:


Aren't you a watchtower member?

What do you mean by Watchtower member , and how does that involve my presence on this thread sir!