Have people said to you that they believe in evolution because it is based on science whereas belief in God is based on faith? Many hold this view. But it is good for us to keep this in mind: No matter what someone believes about God or about evolution, some type of faith is involved. How so? [b]None of us have seen God or observed something being created. (John 1:18) And no human—whether he is a scientist or not—has observed one kind of life evolve into another kind. No one has watched a reptile evolve into a mamma[/b]l, for example. (Job 38:1, 4) Hence, all of us must examine the evidence and use our thinking ability to reach sound conclusions. Regarding creation, the apostle Paul wrote: “[God’s] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.”—Rom. 1:20.
Do you agree?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-september-2016/young-ones-strengthen-your-faith/#?insight[search_id]=6429ded1-f2d6-44c5-873e-46c7ac715886&insight[search_result_index]=0

Classic case of fallacy of equivocation and false dichotomy.

oga easy na. which one is the fallacy?

MrMarvelous:
Classic case of fallacy of equivocation and false dichotomy.

uncleck:
oga easy na. which one is the fallacy?

You're using the religious definition of faith, to define something and labeling it wrongly - Fallacy of equivocation.
You're assuming that it's creationism vs evolution alone. This is very wrong, as there are many hypothesis out there that try to explain the universe. - Fallacy of False Dichotomy.

It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

the argument raise above is simple.
[quote author= No matter what someone believes about God or about evolution, some type of faith is involved. How so? [b]None of us have seen God or observed something being created. (John 1:18) And no human—whether he is a scientist or not—has observed one kind of life evolve into another kind. No one has watched a reptile evolve into a mamma[/b]l, for example.

Bear it in mind that the JWs are not creationists and so are not dogmatic about '6000 years' theory.

uncleck:
the argument raise above is simple.

If we've not seen macroevolution occur, does it mean it didnt happen.
Do we waive off every murder case simply because there's no video recording of it happening?

taurus25:

If we've not seen macroevolution occur, does it mean it didnt happen.
Do we waive off every murder case simply because there's no video recording of it happening?

Do we also discard belief in God because we never witnessed him creating?

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

you may check this link https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/creationism-belief/#?insight[search_id]=e16e81e9-bc34-45f3-9624-a49d99f49480&insight[search_result_index]=1

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

who said the earth has existed for just 6000 years.

uncleck:
Do we also discard belief in God because we never witnessed him creating?

Discard a belief in a creator or a cause? simple no....but the creator described in the bible?..yes. because the creation story is impossible for this current universe. Maybe it was meant for an alternate universe, because for this one, NO

MrMarvelous:

You're using the religious definition of faith, to define something and labeling it wrongly - Fallacy of equivocation.
You're assuming that it's creationism vs evolution alone. This is very wrong, as there are many hypothesis out there that try to explain the universe. - Fallacy of False Dichotomy.

would you mind presenting more 'credible' definition of faith?
would you mind presenting other hypothesis that try to explain the origin of life besides the ones stated above?

taurus25:

Discard a belief in a creator or a cause? simple no....but the creator described in the bible?..yes. because the creation story is impossible for this current universe. Maybe it was meant for an alternate universe, because for this one, NO

what is the impossibility in it? can you be more explicit?

dolphinheart:
who said the earth has existed for just 6000 years.

Tracing the geneologies from genesis to the modern day gives roughly 6000 years.

taurus25:

Tracing the geneologies from genesis to the modern day gives roughly 6000 years.

Some creationists teach that the earth is just a few thousand years old. However, according to the Bible, the earth and the universe existed before the six days of creation. (Genesis 1:1) For that reason, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no objection to credible scientific research that indicates the earth may be billions of years old. From the link above

uncleck:
would you mind presenting more 'credible' definition of faith?
would you mind presenting other hypothesis that try to explain the origin of life besides the ones stated above?

1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust · belief · [more]
2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"...
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Creation myths/hypothesis...have fun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths

MrMarvelous:

1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust · belief · [more]
what difference does this definition make in respect to the issues raised?
[quote author=MrMarvelous post=51216769]

Creation myths/hypothesis...have fun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths

how does any of this myths affect this topic? It still boils down to religious and scientific dichotomy.
what difference does the definition make in respect to the issue under discussion

[quote author=uncleck post=51217086][/quote]
Goal post has been shifted. Now you have run under the umbrella of religion. When earlier on you specifically stated the creation myth vs evolution, now it's now religion vs evolution.

Most atheists accepts evolution based on the overwhelming evidence of evolution; evidence that they have never seen or encountered. They just believe because scientists said so. If this is not faith, then what is it?

"No human has seen a reptile evolve into a mammal"---This is at best a misrepresentation of what Evolution is about, at worst, it is a sign that you may have to sue your old secondary school teachers and ask them for a refund of all the school fees you paid them plus interest!!!

Niflheim:
"No human has seen a reptile evolve into a mammal"---This is at best a misrepresentation of what Evolution is about, at worst, it is a sign that you may have to sue your old secondary school teachers and ask them for a refund of all the school fees you paid them plus interest!!!

it's tiring honestly.
They argue about something they don't understand

uncleck:
Some creationists teach that the earth is just a few thousand years old. However, according to the Bible, the earth and the universe existed before the six days of creation. (Genesis 1:1) For that reason, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no objection to credible scientific research that indicates the earth may be billions of years old. From the link above

Billions of years ke?
Na there una fvck up
Because saying the earth is billions of years and not believe in evolution is crazy.
That would mean humans never changed since they were created. It would mean we've always been this intelligent. Yet that would be strange as we did nothing with this very high intellect, not until about a few thousand years ago.
Why?
How can that be?
This is why creationist need the early earth theory, the alternative is crazier.

Even theory of Gravity require faith

GJames:
Most atheists accepts evolution based on the overwhelming evidence of evolution; evidence that they have never seen or encountered. They just believe because scientists said so. If this is not faith, then what is it?

Information is only as good as its source. The truth is anyone interested enough can go to see this evidence.
But it requires money time and a lot of know how.
How else can you study the DNA structure of other animals.
Or the anthropological evidence
Or the geographical evidence
What we do is study the result of the findings, without seeing it.
Not to forget that evolution just makes sense.

johnydon22:
Even theory of Gravity require faith

He's just trying to confuse you. No scientific theory requires faith, if it did it wouldn't be science.

jonbellion:
it's tiring honestly. They argue about something they don't understand

thats the number one problem...

Lennycool:

He's just trying to confuse you. No scientific theory requires faith, if it did it wouldn't be science.

aahhh ahhhn!
Of all people...na johnnydon22 you wan teach?

MrMarvelous:
Classic case of fallacy of equivocation and false dichotomy.

What do you think you have succeeded in saying with all those grammar?

Did you or anyone of your sort witness "bigbag"?

Come here and tell me the one you have witnessed in evolution.

Can you come here and tell me why your sort keep digging the ground hoping to uncover fossil evidence to support your conclusions?

Is Evolution no longer called a theory?

Come back and explain what all those grammar means and why you think you need to use them here and the purpose you think it would serve.

Come back.

Thank you.

Peace.

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

The Bible no where described the "Creation of the earth", rather, the Bible only said the earth was formless, covered with water. Meaning that the earth was already in existence when the Bible creation account began.

Genesis 1:2.:
2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

The earthly creatures and it's life forms is what the Bible refers to as earth.
Like when the Bible says that the earth is filled with evil, is it referring to the literal soil? No.

If one were to insist that the Bible described the Creation of planet earth in Genesis, the person would have to explain where the water was staying.

we don't have water cum Oxygen in space.

Hence, your assumptive arguments against the Bible is lacking substance and most of us found that irrelevant.

Peace

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Lennycool:

He's just trying to confuse you. No scientific theory requires faith, if it did it wouldn't be science.

Sarcasm bro, theory of gravity requires faith jump off a building and confirm - Don't worry its just a theory..

raphieMontella:

aahhh ahhhn!
Of all people...na johnnydon22 you wan teach?

Lol. I see now. My mistake