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Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by joseph1832(m): 8:09am On May 13, 2016
pryncexcel:
Hello, please don't make it look as if we don't reflect on this thing before saying them....all this why we were buying fuel for 200 naira and above right..... so what stops us from bearing with the government for this period and see what happen....please learn to pray for this country....God will see us through and salaries will be increase just be patient
All this time you were buying fuel for 200 Naira some people were still buying it for N86.50K, some were buying for N120, some N180 etc, the price was not fixed, but now that it is fixed its a whole new different ball game.

Bearing you say, please let reality be your guide and watch phrase. The fact that you're bringing God into matters of economics and social welfare shows that you're still living a life of imagination.

What if government no gree increase salary unko, you don think about that one?. Na everything una like to dey put God inside.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Ijaya123: 8:17am On May 13, 2016
Almajiri1:
I only blame Jonathan for allowing APC bobo and bully him out. The masses will now teach APC some hard lessons in the next few days.
Was APC in existence when Jonathan removed subsidy?

Playing opposition shouldn't become foolishness.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Almajiri1: 9:04am On May 13, 2016
Ijaya123:
Was APC in existence when Jonathan removed subsidy?
Playing opposition shouldn't become foolishness.
Was PHCN in existence when NEPA held sway?
I wonder how foolish and blind some humans can get in defending APC.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Toks2008(op): 9:16am On May 13, 2016
Iamsok:
op, it seems you're daft and dumb. nigeria is in serious mess. note = #5 is now useless in nigeria because #5 can not stand alone and purchase something anymorei
lol..must you display toutery to make a point? you can counter the thread intelligently without using low-life words.

Anyways the truth remains that subsidy removal in the long run will pay off but no withou huge sacrifice from us.

In the days of Jonahan,the arguement was that crude oil was selling well in he intenational market which generrated enough money to pay subsidies but today we are all aware tthat he price of crude has droped and this has made it very hard for the government to sustain subsidy payment.

He good news is that we now have a governmen i believe is "less corrupt" meaning we just might see great improvement.

Just imagine what 1billion nairra in a thousand places can do...les give this governmen a chance.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Ijaya123: 9:17am On May 13, 2016
Almajiri1:
Was PHCN in existence when NEPA held sway?

I wonder how foolish and blind some humans can get in defending APC.
What is the correlation between PHCN and APC?

Sheer foolishness on display.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Almajiri1: 9:46am On May 13, 2016
Ijaya123:
What is the correlation between PHCN and APC?

Sheer foolishness on display.
I will charge you a fee to answer that cos I expected you to have some basic knowledge before coming to a public forum.

If you are still in standard 2, I can oblige you free of charge with all pleasure. but, if you've written jamb and in a university,they are not teaching you proper so demand for a refund.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Ijaya123: 9:48am On May 13, 2016
Almajiri1:
I will charge you a fee to answer that cos I expected you to have some basic knowledge before coming to a public forum.

If you are still in standard 2, I can oblige you free of charge with all pleasure. but, if you've written jamb and in a university,they are not teaching you proper so demand for a refund.
Totally off point.

Abeg swerve and continue the blame game if it puts food on your table.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Standing5(m): 9:49am On May 13, 2016
Emeskhalifa:
logically, the op is correct. now ask yourself this, in a month how many liter of fuel does a less privileged Nigerians use. even without the corruption, the rich ppl still benefit frm it most
You sound like you are here to just argue for the sake of it. I already point out clearly how it was meant to be a privilege proportional to what is used by all. The rich pay more tax but it isn't considered punitive measure. If the op is right then the best way to structure subsidy will be to give everybody a constant allocation of subsidized fuel thereby leaving big businesses short of it or small businesses having excess.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Almajiri1: 9:51am On May 13, 2016
Ijaya123:
Totally off point.

Abeg swerve and continue the blame game if it puts food on your table.
You should be more worried about your shock absorbers since subsidy has been removed and multiplier effects is on a homerun.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Ijaya123: 9:55am On May 13, 2016
Almajiri1:
You should be more worried about your shock absorbers since subsidy has been removed and multiplier effects is on a homerun.
It is a welcome development.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Almajiri1: 9:58am On May 13, 2016
Ijaya123:
It is a welcome development.
I like your faith speak. Prepare for the ugly and expect the best.That's how to be strategic.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Dapyem(m): 10:04am On May 13, 2016
Built2last:
It's not as though Nigerians do not know that fuel subsidy is long over due for removal but certain things have to be in place to cushion the effect.

First the president has to come clean and lead by example.
He has to do the following

Get the 4 refineries optimally running

Sell off 8 of the 11 presidential jets hanging at Abuja airpot and tell us what the money will be used for.

Increase tax on the rich. Like property tax. Own more than one property and pay heavy tax on the rest.

Get our rail ways up and running to ease transportation

Deploys policies that will check inflation.

Increase the minimum wage to atleast 50k

Call labour for negotiation afterwards and make public every deliberation.

The masses will support you.

This English you typed here op will not make sense to Nigerians next week bearing in mind that commodity prices will skyrocket without a corresponding increase in income of the people.

Taxi from Garki to Wuse in abuja that used to be 400 naira is now 800 naira.

A bag of rice I was told went to 25k from 15k yesterday.

A basket of tomato is 27k in Kano state today. That's where it's produced.

For your information, what the government did was price modulation to knock off subsidy payment by government. They have simply told the masses to pay. The petroleum sector was not deregulated. If you deregulate, you don't determine prices and so the government can not fix 145 naira. When you deregulate, you leave pricing to market competitors. Shell, Texaco, Chevron, Asda in UK, many other giants will move in to compete. They fix their prices and the masses can choose what price is most suitable for them. A good example is the telcom sector that was fully deregulated. Did you ever here the government telling MTN, Econet or Gloss how much to fix sim cards or charges on call? Because in a deregulated sector every manufacturer charges
based on the factors and modes of production.

For every cause there is an effect.

Any leader who puts his people first thinks of the immediate impact of his policies on the people and commodity prices.

I am #Built2last and I just want to correct your paradigm @op
God bless u for dix comment. The only reasonable analysis i have seen so far concerning dis subsidy removal. It is very objective. You are a Nigerian. You are are not a wailer neither are you a zombie.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by simreal: 10:33am On May 13, 2016
So the fuel subsidy removal doesnt have any disadvantage. What spoils your write up is the disadvantages that you did not add and that makes it sounds you are APC. You are like the 10pm TVC news yesterday, vwho only showed those in support of the subsidy removal and acted as if they didnt interview those against. That means they are pretendin as if all Nigerians are in support. What a station! Real APC TVC. Thats y Channels is stil the best. Now if they had removed d fuel subsidy to subsidize education, i wud say they are in d right path. Telling me you want to use d money for capital project etc its complete nonsense. Capital project that we wil not see tomorrow. Capital project they make their billions from thru contract inflation. I kno Tinubu is happy now knowing fully well that alot of contract is coming his way. Investment on election must bring returns. Nigerians must stand up against this insensitivity and injustice. How come those against subsidy removal when they were not in power have now shamelessly made a u-turn supporting it in less than 4 years. I weep for this nation
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by MrPresident1: 10:39am On May 13, 2016
americanigga:
you can't apply what happened 5000years ago in the bible in this modern and civilized world. Things have changed in heaven and on earth. How you develope as a country has nothing to do with religion, but doing the right thing at the right time. For your information developed countries are more into immorality than developing world.
Bolded, you are correct, and God has promised that He will punish them.

I am not preaching religion to anybody, my call is a call to true and genuine repentance, without true and genuine repentance, Nigeria will be a mess forever grin.

And you are simply incredulous too, americanigga aka hungerbad, the Bible is about today, now now now and its content is even more recent than the future, you ever wondered why it is called a living breathing book? wink

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by MrPresident1: 10:42am On May 13, 2016
adegeye38:
GEJ was a righteous ruler are you high on something?
Compare and contrast na

Dogs and baboons vs No to blood spilling

subsidy removal + palliatives + townhall meetings vs subsidy removal + heat + no consultations

You better open your eyes.

Genghis Khan — 'I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.' grin
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by itsmaleekbaby(m): 10:58am On May 13, 2016
grin grin

Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by americanigga(m): 11:44am On May 13, 2016
MrPresident1:
Bolded, you are correct, and God has promised that He will punish them.

I am not preaching religion to anybody, my call is a call to true and genuine repentance, without true and genuine repentance, Nigeria will be a mess forever grin.

And you are simply incredulous too, americanigga aka hungerbad, the Bible is about today, now now now and its content is even more recent than the future, you ever wondered why it is called a living breathing book? wink

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Since you were born have you read anywhere or seen any country that repented and suddenly everybody in that nation starded living righteous. Even Israel the closest nation to God right from creation have not been able to live a righteous life.

A brief summary of the Israel nation: Adam and Eve sined against God, Kane killed Able, there was famine in Canaan, Isrealites became slave to Egypt, Isrealite suffered in in the dessert for many years. By the time they got to the promised land they were colonized by The Romance. They killed the Mesaiah with their own hands. They were colonized again by British until they got independence. All these happend when the Isrealite were intertwined in religion. They had kings appointed by God yet they suffered.

Please give me an example of a Nation that was doing bad and later repented and suddenly turned into a developed nation. China and Japan are not christian countries, they are into budism yet they are developed.

My brother it is not God that is punishing us. We are the cause of our own problem.

However sin is bad, and I condemn immorality. But to say until a whole nation repent it will not develope is an ignorant statement.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by 18SNVL:
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by kingsolo4u: 12:45pm On May 13, 2016
Built2last:
It's not as though Nigerians do not know that fuel subsidy is long over due for removal but certain things have to be in place to cushion the effect.

First the president has to come clean and lead by example.
He has to do the following

Get the 4 refineries optimally running

Sell off 8 of the 11 presidential jets hanging at Abuja airpot and tell us what the money will be used for.

Increase tax on the rich. Like property tax. Own more than one property and pay heavy tax on the rest.

Get our rail ways up and running to ease transportation

Deploys policies that will check inflation.

Increase the minimum wage to atleast 50k

Call labour for negotiation afterwards and make public every deliberation.

The masses will support you.

This English you typed here op will not make sense to Nigerians next week bearing in mind that commodity prices will skyrocket without a corresponding increase in income of the people.

Taxi from Garki to Wuse in abuja that used to be 400 naira is now 800 naira.

A bag of rice I was told went to 25k from 15k yesterday.

A basket of tomato is 27k in Kano state today. That's where it's produced.

For your information, what the government did was price modulation to knock off subsidy payment by government. They have simply told the masses to pay. The petroleum sector was not deregulated. If you deregulate, you don't determine prices and so the government can not fix 145 naira. When you deregulate, you leave pricing to market competitors. Shell, Texaco, Chevron, Asda in UK, many other giants will move in to compete. They fix their prices and the masses can choose what price is most suitable for them. A good example is the telcom sector that was fully deregulated. Did you ever here the government telling MTN, Econet or Gloss how much to fix sim cards or charges on call? Because in a deregulated sector every manufacturer charges
based on the factors and modes of production.

For every cause there is an effect.

Any leader who puts his people first thinks of the immediate impact of his policies on the people and commodity prices.

I am #Built2last and I just want to correct your paradigm @op
u make sense. Why fixing prise, why not allow the forces of demand and supply to determine the prise.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by americanigga(m): 4:20pm On May 13, 2016
18SNVL:
It is not hard to to find a period in time where a nation was righteous. Such nations achieved righteousness but it was not sustained for a great period of time. Reasons are they fell from their righteous height due to the strong human nature here in the physical, and also because the strong will always dominate the weak in the physical. Israel is one of those nations. The important thing is you need not only one righteous nation but many righteous nation(s). This is the goal of humanity, this is why I believe we are here, we all have to be righteous but until that time comes hell is very full. And ofcourse depending on your level of seeing righteousness is easily attainable or difficult but the point is it is attainable. One cannot expect a microwave to fly or float but nothing is impossible. We are spiritual beings placed on a physical platform and just because the physical is stronger than the spiritual does not mean the battle is lost, it is a war. These developed countries you mention depending on your level of seeing you will know there are two ways to develop or progress, upwards and downwards. What you see as progress in this world is the retardation of your spiritual self. Do not disguise the radio, car, tap water, washing machine, traffic light, human comfort, as signs of progress, they are entirely physical. Sure it is progress and this is what you want now but SEEK YE FIRST. In these developed countries you mention sins are being committed, there is still corruption, abuse of women, abuse of power, abuse of children, there are still the rich and the poor, the well to do and the exploited. Sure the developed countries may have done damage control in ensuring a greater percentage of the people are well of but my creator laughs at such attempts.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by MrPresident1: 4:41pm On May 13, 2016
americanigga:
Since you were born have you read anywhere or seen any country that repented and suddenly everybody in that nation starded living righteous. Even Israel the closest nation to God right from creation have not been able to live a righteous life.

A brief summary of the Israel nation: Adam and Eve sined against God, Kane killed Able, there was famine in Canaan, Isrealites became slave to Egypt, Isrealite suffered in in the dessert for many years. By the time they got to the promised land they were colonized by The Romance. They killed the Mesaiah with their own hands. They were colonized again by British until they got independence. All these happend when the Isrealite were intertwined in religion. They had kings appointed by God yet they suffered.

Please give me an example of a Nation that was doing bad and later repented and suddenly turned into a developed nation. China and Japan are not christian countries, they are into budism yet they are developed.

My brother it is not God that is punishing us. We are the cause of our own problem.

However sin is bad, and I condemn immorality. But to say until a whole nation repent it will not develope is an ignorant statement.
Bros Hungerbad, I will answer you only with the Bible:

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Proverbs 22:4
By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

grin
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by americanigga(m): 5:16pm On May 13, 2016
18SNVL:
It is not hard to to find a period in time where a nation was righteous. Such nations achieved righteousness but it was not sustained for a great period of time. Reasons are they fell from their righteous height due to the strong human nature here in the physical, and also because the strong will always dominate the weak in the physical. Israel is one of those nations. The important thing is you need not only one righteous nation but many righteous nation(s). This is the goal of humanity, this is why I believe we are here, we all have to be righteous but until that time comes hell is very full. And ofcourse depending on your level of seeing righteousness is easily attainable or difficult but the point is it is attainable. One cannot expect a microwave to fly or float but nothing is impossible. We are spiritual beings placed on a physical platform and just because the physical is stronger than the spiritual does not mean the battle is lost, it is a war. These developed countries you mention depending on your level of seeing you will know there are two ways to develop or progress, upwards and downwards. What you see as progress in this world is the retardation of your spiritual self. Do not disguise the radio, car, tap water, washing machine, traffic light, human comfort, as signs of progress, they are entirely physical.
From what you just said for a nation righteousness is not sustainable for a long time because of the human nature. Why do you now want a nation to rely on something that is not sustainable for her development.

Since 2000years ago Jesus came to save the word yet it is only Israel that you could give as an example of a righteous nation. What about other nations? What are your indixes?

In those days the Israelites depended on righteousness to live and they suffered for it. In those days they were led by prophet and king appointed by God. But today they elect their leader by themselves via election. They copied the western world. They now depend on guns, war head, atomic bomb, their military and America for help.

This is to tell you that things change. You cannot wait for God to do things for you when He has given you everything you need to do it youself.
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by realsammie(m): 6:11pm On May 13, 2016
Built2last:
It's not as though Nigerians do not know that fuel subsidy is long over due for removal but certain things have to be in place to cushion the effect.

First the president has to come clean and lead by example.
He has to do the following

Get the 4 refineries optimally running

Sell off 8 of the 11 presidential jets hanging at Abuja airpot and tell us what the money will be used for.

Increase tax on the rich. Like property tax. Own more than one property and pay heavy tax on the rest.

Get our rail ways up and running to ease transportation

Deploys policies that will check inflation.

Increase the minimum wage to atleast 50k

Call labour for negotiation afterwards and make public every deliberation.

The masses will support you.

This English you typed here op will not make sense to Nigerians next week bearing in mind that commodity prices will skyrocket without a corresponding increase in income of the people.

Taxi from Garki to Wuse in abuja that used to be 400 naira is now 800 naira.

A bag of rice I was told went to 25k from 15k yesterday.

A basket of tomato is 27k in Kano state today. That's where it's produced.

For your information, what the government did was price modulation to knock off subsidy payment by government. They have simply told the masses to pay. The petroleum sector was not deregulated. If you deregulate, you don't determine prices and so the government can not fix 145 naira. When you deregulate, you leave pricing to market competitors. Shell, Texaco, Chevron, Asda in UK, many other giants will move in to compete. They fix their prices and the masses can choose what price is most suitable for them. A good example is the telcom sector that was fully deregulated. Did you ever here the government telling MTN, Econet or Gloss how much to fix sim cards or charges on call? Because in a deregulated sector every manufacturer charges
based on the factors and modes of production.

For every cause there is an effect.

Any leader who puts his people first thinks of the immediate impact of his policies on the people and commodity prices.

I am #Built2last and I just want to correct your paradigm @op
Bros, God bless u for this breakdown.. Please can you do me a favour by opening a thread on fuel subsidy with this same writeup, and we can beg the mod to bring it to front page....Thanks
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by Built2last: 6:17pm On May 13, 2016
realsammie:
Bros, God bless u for this breakdown.. Please can you do me a favour by opening a thread on fuel subsidy with this same writeup, and we can beg the mod to bring it to front page....Thanks
I have done already..titled did we deregulate or just removed fuel subsidy. It's on politics section now
Re: Subsidy Removal,the Reality And The Advantages. by 18SNVL:
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