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Demmzy15:
Yet this Christian liars would tell you, many are accepting Christianity. The even went as far as to claim 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity every year Your end is near, I must tell you all!

WORDWORLD:
ANOTHER SPECIAL PLEADING.

Who mentioned HELL or HEAVEN in the post i sent. Why are you so about HELL and HEAVEN? WHILE SIMPLE TRUTH IS STARING YOU IN THE FACE BUT YOU TURN BLIND EYE.

The POINT here is not to castigate any religion but if the TRUTH castigates anyone of us we cant help but SHOUT IT OUT so that we surrender and AMEND.

THE PROBLEM WITH MAN AND RELIGION IS THAT, MAN CHASES AFTER BELIEFS INSTEAD OF TRUTH. YOU ARE TALKING HELL AND HEAVEN AND AS IF YOU ARE THE JIBRIL WHO TOLD MUHAMMED THAT HE IS GOING TO HELL. WHAT AN IRONY ON YOUR PART, WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CRIME OF FRAUD COMMITTED BY THE WRITER OF MATTHEW.


Faith is about conviction, its about confirmation, its about
personal discovery its about SINCERITY. It is not suppose to
depend on worldly motives, on ancestral custom, social
conventions or imitative instincts or .......................IT IS THE
WILL TO ACCEPTING THE HONEST TRUTH WITHOUT BEING
SENTIMENTAL.

THIS IS WHAT MANY HAVE FAILED TO UNDERSTAND. HENCE STAY ON TOPIC ELSE KEEP YOUR MOUTH SEALED.

malvisguy212:
don't mind this muslims, they couldn't defend the miscalculation of Allah in his prophecy, is he learning or what ? Weldon my sister.

Empiree:
Scholar8200, you are welcome!

But why didnt you respond to Annunaki here?

www.nairaland.com/3086804/annunaki-read-old-testament/4#45447102

malvisguy212:
bro, Good to see you.

analice107:
Lol the rant of an extremist. was Muhammed a liar, thief, rapist, psychopath, pedophile Nympho, demoniac or not?

WORDWORLD:
Muhammaed never ever was a liar except that YOU ARE. And if not for your lies i wont be here. Its my job to put SHAME on liars like you.

Go read any history, biography of Muhammed. He was nick named AL-AMIN, THE TRUST WORTHY. And on that account alone they believed in him. He did have to be doing Miracles upon Miracles to proof anything. His reputation as AL-AMIN was just ENOUGH. With all the Miracles all his disciples ran away from him. Not even one outside his disciples who believed stood for him. It so IRONIC and SAD.

At what age was Mary when she was engaged to Joseph. Age 18? She was just a 12 years old beautiful girl. give out a 12 year old today for marriage and tell me if you wont be accussed of Paedophile. But that is the age of Mary the mother of Jesus.

Demonic you say? The Quran Always starts with IN THE NAMEE OF ALLAH (GOD) MOST BENEFICIENT MOST MERCIFUL.What has a Demonic person got to do with starting every verse of his book in the name of GOD. Why all the SENTIMENTS.

The only thing you know is what you were being told. Not what by yourself discovered that is why you are so SHALLOW following DOGMA.

MIND YOU THE QURAN DOESNT DISRESPECT ANY OF THOSE SENT BY GOD. It says.

"Say: we believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and JESUS and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: WE MAKE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER OF THEM. AND WE BOW TO ALLAH (IN ISLAM)

Mention one verse of the Quran that call Jesus a liar, thief, a bachelor e.t.c

THEN TELL ME IF THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT OF A HIGHER MORALITY, RATIONALITY THAN YOU ALL ARE.

analice107:
Am not just in the mood for your high morality today. We shall meet again.

ebenice:
arguing with some Muslim is not profitable ..it time wasting and energy consuming .

only pray for them that they see the light . be nice to them and hope they av a change of heart ..but don't fail to tell them the truth ..only Jesus can save

WORDWORLD:
And i assure you that at everytime we meet YOU WILL ALWAYS not be in the MOOD. Meaning turn your back and flee because you stand on nothing but FRAUD.

"And say: TRUTH HAS ARRIVED AND FALSEHOOD PERSIHED. FOR FALSEHOOD IS (BY NATURE) BOUND TO PERISH". Quran 17 : 81

analice107:
This dude is really tough, Lord! Am sooo terrified. Am shaking all over. Who will protect me from this brute beast?
Dude, if you come at me, i will tear both you and the demon residing inside of you apart, you heard?

Rilwayne001:
https://www.nairaland.com/3105255/finally-crossed-bridge-agnostism-into#45614645

Rilwayne001:
https://www.nairaland.com/3105255/finally-crossed-bridge-agnostism-into#45614645

Another one spotted, I'm sure he saw many threads here and that made him become an atheist. Yet one Ipod yoot known as true2god aka true2satan would be making empty noises of Muslims deactivating their accounts because they became Christians Very laughable, as you can see the empty head above, when you blast her, she go come claim "I don't have your time". Nothing upstairs, empty cowards!

lexiconkabir:
WAllahi, its very disheartening that these so called christian(a name given to them by pagans) no nothing about their bible(or have not been honest to themselves) those that become atheist from islam(very few) did not study islam to the letter on the otherhand those that becomes atheist from christianity(uncountable) can be can be called bible scholars, cuz they have vast knowledge about their former belief, in nutshell, CHRISTIANITY IS THE BIGGEST SCAM IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Scholar8200:
Fine, the thread had its focus - an atheist asking him about the OT. Therein, he stated what his convictions were (I only saw the one where he said he cared not if what he believed contradicts others' belief, and I saw that because of the mention of my username and re-quoting of same by him otherwise, it was a thread I had no interest in.)

Perhaps if he decides to open a thread on that issue, then we can discuss it there.(At least I have done same with other NL christians on some issues)

Demmzy15:
Another one spotted, I'm sure he saw many threads here and that made him become an atheist. Yet one Ipod yoot known as true2god aka true2satan would be making empty noises of Muslims deactivating their accounts because they became Christians Very laughable, as you can see the empty head above, when you blast her, she go come claim "I don't have your time". Nothing upstairs, empty cowards!

Empiree:
Let's be frank with ourselves. We talking about SALVATION here. Forget about him being atheist. He did raise points that Muslims raised too.

Yes, I understand atheists say some things from their perceptive sometimes that are not necessarily right. But in this thread by WORDWORLD you can see annunaki's doctrine is different from yours. Is he right or you're right?. Remember we had fair debate sometimes back and you "proved" how Jesus had "always" being God, part of God, one of the triune gods from Old Testament. But here Annunaki said it is NOT so. You didn't succeed in the thread either.

What we are saying is you guys have major theological differences. A christian can believe Jesus is God and Son of God (you) and still stay christian. A christian can believe Jesus is Son of God but not God yet remains christian. A christian can believe in trinity but stays christian. A christian who doesnt believe in trinity also stays christian. These are separate doctrines. Since God is One according to both sides, both doctrines can not be right at the same time.

In Islam however, no Muslim would say Muhammad is God. The moment you say that, you are out of the fold. We do not discount that. No muslim, no mater the sects believe any God's prophet is God. We may have differences in application of Law, fiqh (jurisprudence) etc but NOT tawheed (God's Oneness) which is foundation on which Islam is built.

Our point is, in Christianity, your differences are deep when it comes to foundation which Christianity is built upon. Note that Muslims dont joke with this foundation because this is, according to "Abrahamic religion", the only non-forgivable sin.

WORDWORLD:
TO BE NICE IS NOT ENOUGH. YOUR EVERY BELIEF MUST BE ABLE TO PASS THE FALSIFICATION TEST. THERE ARE NICE PEOPLE IN ALL RELIGION. TO BE NICE IS WHAT ALL RELIGION PREACHES BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FAITH ITS NOT ABOUT BEING NICE. ITS ABOUT PROOF!

Otherwise its no more than SPECIAL PLEADING. Be nice to them just as the whites were so nice to have taken away your resources and your MENTALITY. Its all FRAUD!!!

WORDWORLD:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ramadan-2014-david-camerons-message

For David camerons - message about Muslims now being the biggest donor in Charity in the UK. The above site is the transcript of his speech.

THE CHRISTIAN WORRY SHOULD BE WHY ARE WE FALLING SHORT IN GOOD DEEDS INSTEAD OF ALL THESE NAGGING BANG THE HEAD ON THE WALL OUT OF FRUSTRATION. MUHAMMED THIS MUHAMMED THAT.

Empiree:
Let's be frank with ourselves. We talking about SALVATION here. Forget about him being atheist. He did raise points that Muslims raised too.

Yes, I understand atheists say some things from their perceptive sometimes that are not necessarily right. But in this thread by WORDWORLD you can see annunaki's doctrine is different from yours. Is he right or you're right?.

Remember we had fair debate sometimes back and you "proved" how Jesus had "always" being God, part of God, one of the triune gods from Old Testament. But here Annunaki said it is NOT so. You didn't succeed in the thread either.

What we are saying is you guys have major theological differences. A christian can believe Jesus is God and Son of God (you) and still stay christian. A christian can believe Jesus is Son of God but not God yet remains christian. A christian can believe in trinity but stays christian. A christian who doesnt believe in trinity also stays christian.

These are separate doctrines. Since God is One according to both sides, both doctrines can not be right at the same time.

In Islam however, no Muslim would say Muhammad is God. The moment you say that, you are out of the fold. We do not discount that. No muslim, no mater the sects believe any God's prophet is God


. We may have differences in application of Law, fiqh (jurisprudence) etc but NOT tawheed (God's Oneness) which is foundation on which Islam is built.

Our point is, in Christianity, your differences are deep when it comes to foundation which Christianity is built upon. Note that Muslims dont joke with this foundation because this is, according to "Abrahamic religion", the only non-forgivable sin.

Scholar8200:
At the time of Jesus, we had the Jews and the Samaritans. Before then we had the pharisees and the sadduccees. After Christ we've had various movements and sects some differing on non-essentials while others differing on major issues. As to who is right/scriptural, this will only be dealt with if he wants a discussion on it or opens a thread (like bin-gbabo does)stating his beliefs and the basis for such.


noted.

well, the best we are allowed to do in Scripture is to test all things and admonish or correct. If accepted, fine. If rejected, then the Day will declare it.


The rejection of the Trinity is not new. Those who rejected this, the Sabellianists/Modalists as early as the third(3rd) century, were known generally to be the heretics meaning the Trinity is not a creation of catholicism afterall! Sabellianism was the effort of one man to make a Mystery agree to rational thinking and that is the root of many movements applied to various issues but the Bible remains the same.
We also have the JWs that claim Jesus was an Angel. They also dont realise that they are only repeating the views of the deceptive Gnostics who Paul refuted in Colossians and John in 1 John.



Well, like I said in that other thread, we are not referring to the same God. Yahweh Who made the promise to Abraham and initiated both Covenants is not the same as Allah.(or you may want to show where in speaking of Mohammed's prophethood, Allah referred to any of these 3 points).



Factions and sects exist because we have an enemy whose most powerful tool is deception. Fortunately himself simply recycles old and forgotten(but recorded) methods.

Empiree:
Okay, let me keep it simple. I am not gonna waste time dealing with everything you wrote except highlighted part. You owe it to yourself to proof annunaki right or wrong.

Now, let me clear bold part with my little understanding. In Islam, Quran teaches that God is One who created the whole universe including living and non-living things. Including seen and unseen like Angels and Jinn etc. We believe it is this same One God who created humans, muslims and non-muslims whether we believe Him or not.

An herbalist who calls on satan etc and his/her request is answered or met, we Muslims do not believe it is satan that granted his/her wish(es). We believe it is same God, Allah. The problem however is calling God almighty and ascribing His Majestic Attributes to and through other means, His creation and assuming the creation (like Jesus etc) is God. That's where major problem is. And if you claim Allah is not the same as God (I dont know about Yahweh), then, maybe you need to do a little research what Jesus(p) called God. He didnt call Him "Yahweh" or God. He called Him [size=15pt]Allaha[/size]. I think we discussed this before.

Allah is the proper and unique name for God. Jesus(p) did not speak english. Therefore, he could not have called Him God. Matter of fact, the word GOD is mockery if you spell it backward. But if you spell Allah backward you still get the same pronunciation, the same meaning. Allah Akbar (God Is Greatest)

You are even making things worse by saying God is not the same as Allah which implies that Christian God is not the same as Muslim God. The implication is YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.

Understand?

Empiree:
Okay, let me keep it simple. I am not gonna waste time dealing with everything you wrote except highlighted part. You owe it to yourself to proof annunaki right or wrong.

Now, let me clear bold part with my little understanding. In Islam, Quran teaches that God is One who created the whole universe including living and non-living things. Including seen and unseen like Angels and Jinn etc. We believe it is this same One God who created humans, muslims and non-muslims whether we believe Him or not.

An herbalist who calls on satan etc and his/her request is answered or met, we Muslims do not believe it is satan that granted his/her wish(es). We believe it is same God, Allah. The problem however is calling God almighty and ascribing His Majestic Attributes to and through other means, His creation and assuming the creation (like Jesus etc) is God. That's where major problem is. And if you claim Allah is not the same as God (I dont know about Yahweh), then, maybe you need to do a little research what Jesus(p) called God. He didnt call Him "Yahweh" or God. He called Him [size=15pt]Allaha[/size] I think we discussed this before.

Allah is the proper and unique name for God. Jesus(p) did not speak english. Therefore, he could not have called Him God. Matter of fact, the word GOD is mockery if you spell it backward. But if you spell Allah backward you still get the same pronunciation, the same meaning. Allah Akbar (God Is Greatest)

You are even making things worse by saying God is not the same as Allah which implies that Christian God is not the same as Muslim God. The implication is YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.

Understand?

9jacrip:
Sorry to badge into your convo but I have a comment & a question.

We need to come to the realization that there's no ultimate of life saving religion. A religion is merely how a society understands human - God relationship & human - human relationship.

Mam made religion not God.

This is why there are 100s of religious beliefs cultural understanding of God and not one.

And the above is responsible for a break down in an attempt to marry different religions as one (Judaism & Christianiy, Judaism & Islam, Christianity & Islam) or there's a 'better than you' approach when religions don't fit into each other.

At the first emboldened, I take it that the herbalist you mentioned is in reference to Onisegun of Yoruba (your ethnic background) so I'll react.

- Satan is not Esu & Esu is not Satan. It is only in Abrahamic belief that the creator made what it couldn't control and it grew in power to rival him. In Yoruba, everything is subject to Olodumare/Creator who empowered them to attend to humans as he (Olodumare) surpasses interacting with or interfering with human. Esu in Yoruba system is a deity who delivers messages between Olodumare & Humans. If an Onisegun/Babalawo/Olorisa/regular person seek Esu's help & he grants it then believe Esu did it by himself; he enjoys a level of freedom which he does with fairness & justice. Olodumare has nothing to do with it but when the person thanks Esu, Esu goes to thank Olodumare for the power bestowed on him.

Satan, Allah, requests in Islam is different from what we Yoruba have and should not be incorporated as an example - an Alfa requesting things from Jinn or Demons would make for better example.


- Second emboldened: how do you know Jesus called his creator 'Allah'? What is the proof? Jesus was no Arab, he was a Jew of modern day Palestine stock. Do Jews speak Arab too?

Pardon my long post, you do not have to respond.