Empiree:
Okay, let me keep it simple. I am not gonna waste time dealing with everything you wrote except highlighted part. You owe it to yourself to proof annunaki right or wrong.

Now, let me clear bold part with my little understanding. In Islam, Quran teaches that God is One who created the whole universe including living and non-living things. Including seen and unseen like Angels and Jinn etc. We believe it is this same One God who created humans, muslims and non-muslims whether we believe Him or not.

An herbalist who calls on satan etc and his/her request is answered or met, we Muslims do not believe it is satan that granted his/her wish(es). We believe it is same God, Allah. The problem however is calling God almighty and ascribing His Majestic Attributes to and through other means, His creation and assuming the creation (like Jesus etc) is God. That's where major problem is. And if you claim Allah is not the same as God (I dont know about Yahweh), then, maybe you need to do a little research what Jesus(p) called God. He didnt call Him "Yahweh" or God. He called Him [size=15pt]Allaha[/size]. I think we discussed this before.

Allah is the proper and unique name for God. Jesus(p) did not speak english. Therefore, he could not have called Him God. Matter of fact, the word GOD is mockery if you spell it backward. But if you spell Allah backward you still get the same pronunciation, the same meaning. Allah Akbar (God Is Greatest)

You are even making things worse by saying God is not the same as Allah which implies that Christian God is not the same as Muslim God. The implication is YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.

Understand?

The Allaha Jesus called sent Him in fulfilment of the promise to Abraham and in performance of the New Covenant prophesied! Not the same as the modus operandi of Allah!
Well, here I stand, Yahweh and Allah are not the same.

annunaki2:

Their PERCEPTION is not the problem but YOUR NARROW PERSPECTIVE for if it is wide you would have covered their perception and be able to make them understand yours.

In a not shell. Teaching is not the same as preaching. The former is what you ought to learn how to do. Neither is the claim created in the pix originally by you. You are only following others thought. BECOME ORIGINAL!

WORDWORLD:


Scholar8200 could explain to us if the Hausa Christain who shouts out UBANGIJI ALLAH is shouting TRASH calling on some kind of DEMON.

There are Bibles written in Arabic, and the name witten is ALLAH not God not Jehovah.

THEY KEEP ON COMPLICATING SIMPLE MATTERS, MYSTIFYING WHAT IS SO PLANE..

the one you call on as a muslim is not the One he calls on as a Christian.

Scholar8200:
the one you call on as a muslim is not the One he calls on as a Christian.

UNTIL WHEN IT REALLY BECOMES STORMY AND THERE IS NO ESCAPE THEN THEY ONE BEING CALLED WILL BE ONE AND ALL THE SAME.

An intersting theme is common in all PAGAN RELIGION and that is the idea of 'HENOTHEISM', where there is a group of people that worship a nuumber of 'divine beings' like 3 in one God. We find that there is always a Supreme Deity that is considered to be above all the others. This trend is prominent in Hinduism, in Greek and Roman mythologies, even with TRINITY. How ever, what is really IMPORTANT to note in such religions that acsribe partnership with the ONE AND ONLY CREATOR is that, in actual practice. The smaller god, like the son e.t.c always gets the lion share in attention and devotion of their worshipers, while the SUPREME GOD disappers in the background, as He is carelessly ignored and casually brushed aside.

EXCEPT WHEN THE STORM BECOME WILD. WE ALL TURN TO HIM AND ONLY HIM IN SINCERITY. THE GOD OF CREATION IS BUT ONE WITHOUT ANY BLEMISH.

And so when the Hausa Christian or the Arab Christian is in such a thight position. He is NOT not mistaken for his on ALLAH for his chosen fancy.

I have arrived late to this party. An eye opener and nice contributions from my brothers

udatso:
I have arrived late to this party. An eye opener and nice contributions from my brothers

YOU ARE WELCOME FELLOW COMPANION OF TRUTH.

WORDWORLD:


YOU ARE WELCOME FELLOW COMPANION OF TRUTH.

Thanks.
It's so funny how these guys came to prove what the op and other contributors have said.
They just couldn't help answering a question about a verse in the Bible without bringing Islam into it. So so predictable.
I always knew the Annunaki's thread would have multiple uses. This thread is equally another Reference point

Instead of these guys to focus on their faith and resolve their differences, Or enlighten their fellow brethrens, they would rather insult Islam. The thing is the ones with foul mouth are usually missing in threads like this. And when they do, they can't resist the desire to malign anything that isn't Islam.
They have more topics on Islam more than each active individual Muslim here.
It reminds me of the 2015 presidential election. when Apc was campaigning telling us how they would help the country, Pdp was telling us how old Buhari is, how his wife died, how Buhari is an Islamist, dictator.. ......and we all know what happened to the ruling party

udatso:
Instead of these guys to focus on their faith and resolve their differences, Or enlighten their fellow brethrens, they would rather insult Islam. The thing is the ones with foul mouth are usually missing in threads like this. And when they do, they can't resist the desire to malign anything that isn't Islam.
They have more topics on Islam more than each active individual Muslim here.
It reminds me of the 2015 presidential election. when Apc was campaigning telling us how they would help the country, Pdp was telling us how old Buhari is, how his wife died, how Buhari is an Islamist, dictator.. ......and we all know what happened to the ruling party

WHAT THEY DONT KNOW IS THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY AIDING IN PROPAGATING ISLAM. ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME TO LEARN ONE OR TWO THINGS AND GET THEIR DOUBTS CLARIFIED. THOSE WHO ARE SINCERE KNOW WHERE THE TRUTH LIES.

The Quran says: "And no QUESTION do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the TRUTH and the best EXPLANATION" Q25:33

If the wish let them continue the LOSS is their both ways. There will always be CORRECT answers waiting for each of their questions and ridicule.

It was same case with Abulahab he did worse SLANDERING of Islam but his effort only fueled the LIGHT of Islam to outshine the FALSEHOOD in his heart.

Just like Islam keeps making progress in the UK despite all their detest and ill treament while Christianity is facing EXTINCTION in that land.

In Nigeria though, it a money making religion, the legacy the white man left us with. THEY WENT AWAY WITH THEIR WISDOM IN TECHNOLOGY leaving behind the book of FRAUD.

annunaki2:

He wants to look relevant after he has been thoroughly disgraced, it has been proven times without number that you are an empty barrel, such an empty brain you have, a brain that has been nailed and screwed with rubbish!
























I hope you become a muslim one day

WORDWORLD:


YOU ARE VERY CORRECT MAN MADE RELIGION. IN ABSOLUTE TRUTH ONLY ONE OUT OF ALL THE ONES YOU HAVE ENUMERATED IS NOT A RELIGION AND THAT IS ISLAM.

ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE UNLIKE OTHERS WHICH ARE ON RITES AND ROUTINE AND FANTASIES . THEY CAN BE EASILY DONE AWAY WITH BY SEPRATING THEM, RELIGION FROM STATE RESULTING TO SECULARISM AFTER ALL THEY HOLD NO WATER.

HENCE YOUR ASCERTION IS WHAT IS CALLED FALLACY OF COMPOSITION. MEANING A COMPOSITION THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY TRUE.

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS SO MUCH HOSTILITY AGAINST ISLAM SO MUCH TODAY SINCE AFTER THE VICTORY AGAINST COMMUNISM AFTER THE COLD WAR. THE ANTI-GODS HAVE FINISHED WITH OTHERS. THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR THEM TODAY IS ISLAM THAT IS WHAT THE STORY OF ALL THIS TERRORISM IS ALL ABOUT. THE HAVE FINISHED WITH OTHERS............E.T.C

THE MALADY OF OUR AGE, DELIBRATELY ATTRIBUTING ISLAM WITH TERRORISM DID NOT BECOME A MEDIA SLOGAN UNTIL MOST RECENTLY. WHERE HAVE ISLAM BEEN FOR OVER 14 CENTURIES ONLY FOR IT TO BE TAGGED WITH FALLIOUS CHARGES TODAY. ITS ALL POLITICS. (not digressing)

ITS A SECULARIST MOVEMENT IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY WHOSE GOD IS THE ILLUSION CALLED "FREEDOM". "FREEDOM, RIGHTS, OPINION" IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR BECOMING TRANSGRESSORS OF ALL KINDS OF RATIONAL LIMITATION. THESE PEOPLE WANTS TO DO AWAY WITH THE REALITY OF THEIR EXISTENCE, THEIR CREATOR. ITS LIKE TRY TO CREATE IMMORTALITY IN HUMANITY AN IMPOSSIBILITY.

IT IS PROJECTED THAT BY 2067 CHRISTIANITY WOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED IN THE UK, ALREADY IT IS DEAD IN THAT COUNTRY. THE SAME COUNTRY THAT EXPORTED IT TO OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD AS IF JESUS IS AN ENGLISH MAN AND THE PURITY AND ORIGINALITY OF THE BIBLE IS ENGLISH.

new.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/2067-the-end-of-british-christianity/

The site above tells you about the REALITY of Christianities extintion. Because unlike Islam it has no answers to Humanities cries except BELIEF.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ISLAM NOT BEING A RELIGION LIKE YOU PUT THEM IN THE SAME BASKET WITH CHRITIANITY, E.T.C.

Click below.

muhammadanism.com/Government/government_sharia_ideology.htm

THE PROBLEM WITH OUR WORLD IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CHASING AFTER CONJECTURE AND NOT TRUTH. PERHAPS AFTER READING THE ARTICLE, YOU COULD COMPARE ALL THOSE RELIGIONS YOU HAVE MENTION IN TRUTH TELL US IF THEY FIT TO BE IN THE SAME BASKET WITH ISLAM. IF THEY ANSWER THE YEARNINGS OF HUMANITY'S MYSTERIES.

Except you read the article in the site. Then your already indoctrination may switch to ENLIGHTENMENT.

As to your questions. i wont want to derail the thread. its a topic vast and so plain. ITS ABOUT SINCERITY IN OUR JUDGEMENT OF THINGS AND NOT BEING SENTIMENTAL.

In a nut shell, what TRUELY defines God whether spelt as DOG is the attributes of that diety and intention given to it.

I might call on ALLAH like a Hausa Christian does and in my mind am not refering to ALLAH in His purity but in TRINITY.


Empiree i believe can do justice to your question perhaps with a reference so that we dont derail the thread. While i can open a thread in the nearest future to it inorder to keep us enlightened.

1. A man made system in a culture/civilization hinged on the understanding of the spiritual & morality is a complete way of life of that culture - Religion. You've only just affirmed my view (many other people's) view of all religions, Islam inclusive.

2. Christianity slowing down in the UK is not because of how better Islam is, in fact it does not give Islam any upper hand and people are not running to Islam either; people are running away from both. It is not just Christianity, all Abrahamic beliefs (in non-fanatic places: Rome, Saudi/Middle East) are suffering blows of abandonment of the religion. Humans generally have gotten tired of being psychologically coerced with heaven or hell, keeping prayer rituals yet the world is full of disasters & questions religions cannot answer. In the US, Canada, Europe & Africa; there's a rise in people dumping their religion for atheism or deism. You'd hear things like spiritual but not religious.

3. For the conspiracy theory you posted up. If a group in the world wanted to see to the collapse in Islam. It would not be a problem to let the Sunni Saudi and Shia Iran (with their world followers) have a go at each other in an all out war. If indeed there was a plot agaibst Islam, this would have happened. To destroy something is to let it fight from within rather than attack it and give it strength of unification.

4. Is Allah the indigenous language for God in Hausa? A confused Hausa using 'Allah' is not necessarily a big deal. Allah is an Arabic indigenous word for God, Yoruba uses Olodumare, Igbo use Chineke, Hausa have their I'm sure.

5. Your use of Allah with underlying reference to Arab's understanding of Muhammed's God still goes back to reflect my definition of religion. It shows you've chosen to understand God through the lenses of Arab culture; it does not necessarily mean it is God's name or brings you closer to God - you're only in the same bus as the Arabs headed a path together.

Religion does not come alone, it comes with the culture entirely. This is why no one has been able to adopt s religion without drowning in the culture of thst religion - language, dressing, music/singing, family & way of life entirely.

Nobody adOpts Christianity & remains thorough Yoruba; philosophies of Yoruba & Christianity will clash and cause problems. Hence, Christians live & think like Europeans.

Nobody adopts Islam & remains Yoruba; cultures will clash. Muslims live & think like Arabs.

Nobody adopts Yoruba belief & remains American or European, Hausa or Ibo; cultures would clash. This is why you see foreigners adopting the culture.


This is why you see everything how Arabs see it.

Scholar8200:
The Allaha Jesus called sent Him in fulfilment of the promise to Abraham and in performance of the New Covenant prophesied! Not the same as the modus operandi of Allah!

And you acted like you dont know about Allaha

And what's the DEFINITION of Allaha?

Well, here I stand, Yahweh and Allah are not the same.[/quote]He partly answered you @ underlined

WORDWORLD:



In a nut shell, what TRUELY defines God whether spelt as DOG is the attributes of that diety and intention given to it.

I[b] might call on ALLAH like a Hausa Christian does and in my mind am not referring to ALLAH in His purity but in TRINITY.[/b]

What is Yahweh?. Is he different from God as well?

9jacrip:



1. A man made system in a culture/civilization hinged on the understanding of the spiritual & morality is a complete way of life of that culture - Religion. You've only just affirmed my view (many other people's) view of all religions, Islam inclusive.

2. Christianity slowing down in the UK is not because of how better Islam is, in fact it does not give Islam any upper hand and people are not running to Islam either; people are running away from both. It is not just Christianity, all Abrahamic beliefs (in non-fanatic places: Rome, Saudi/Middle East) are suffering blows of abandonment of the religion. Humans generally have gotten tired of being psychologically coerced with heaven or hell, keeping prayer rituals yet the world is full of disasters & questions religions cannot answer. In the US, Canada, Europe & Africa; there's a rise in people dumping their religion for atheism or deism. You'd hear things like spiritual but not religious.

3. For the conspiracy theory you posted up. If a group in the world wanted to see to the collapse in Islam. It would not be a problem to let the Sunni Saudi and Shia Iran (with their world followers) have a go at each other in an all out war. If indeed there was a plot agaibst Islam, this would have happened. To destroy something is to let it fight from within rather than attack it and give it strength of unification.

4. Is Allah the indigenous language for God in Hausa? A confused Hausa using 'Allah' is not necessarily a big deal. Allah is an Arabic indigenous word for God, Yoruba uses Olodumare, Igbo use Chineke, Hausa have their I'm sure.

5. Your use of Allah with underlying reference to Arab's understanding of Muhammed's God still goes back to reflect my definition of religion. It shows you've chosen to understand God through the lenses of Arab culture; it does not necessarily mean it is God's name or brings you closer to God - you're only in the same bus as the Arabs headed a path together.

Religion does not come alone, it comes with the culture entirely. This is why no one has been able to adopt s religion without drowning in the culture of thst religion - language, dressing, music/singing, family & way of life entirely.

Nobody adOpts Christianity & remains thorough Yoruba; philosophies of Yoruba & Christianity will clash and cause problems. Hence, Christians live & think like Europeans.

Nobody adopts Islam & remains Yoruba; cultures will clash. Muslims live & think like Arabs.

Nobody adopts Yoruba belief & remains American or European, Hausa or Ibo; cultures would clash. This is why you see foreigners adopting the culture.


This is my you see everything how Arabs see it.

1. You most likely didnt read the sites i attached to my post. Otherwise the difference is too CLEAR.

2. The paradise is where its being promised to experience absolute serenity. Leaving your faith while not being in search of TRUTH still doesnt solve the problem. THERE HAS BEEN COUNTLESS WARS just to make people accept DEMOCRACY mind you. Its left for you to seek a peace of heart. There cant be peace in the world because GOOD and EVIL TRUTH and FALSEHOOD are always at war. But you can find for your heart to be at peace, that is up to you.

3. Its a lot deeper than you think. Islam is not about sunni or shite or saudi Arabia. Its about the Quran and the Hadith.

4. The Quran did say there is no community of people to whom wasnt sent their own prophet. When you translate the meaning of GOD in all these languages it all carries the attribute of the SUPREME. If its God that created languages you should expect that He didnt forget to define Himself via it. GOD IS INGRAINED IN MAN HE MAY CHOSE TO PRETEND NOT TO ACCEPTING AND DISOBEY.

5. The Quran is in Arabic but those who have studied it know that its not talking about Arabs nor an Arabian God. There are 99 attributes that makes it CLEAR about which God its talking about.

YES THAT IS WHY ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE. DOES ACCOMODATES EVERY GOOD IN LINE WITH ISLAM IN ALL ALREADY ESTABLISHED CULTURE.

WORDWORLD:


UNTIL WHEN IT REALLY BECOMES STORMY AND THERE IS NO ESCAPE THEN THEY ONE BEING CALLED WILL BE ONE AND ALL THE SAME.

An intersting theme is common in all PAGAN RELIGION and that is the idea of 'HENOTHEISM', where there is a group of people that worship a nuumber of 'divine beings' like 3 in one God. We find that there is always a Supreme Deity that is considered to be above all the others. This trend is prominent in Hinduism, in Greek and Roman mythologies, even with TRINITY. How ever, what is really IMPORTANT to note in such religions that acsribe partnership with the ONE AND ONLY CREATOR is that, in actual practice. The smaller god, like the son e.t.c always gets the lion share in attention and devotion of their worshipers, while the SUPREME GOD disappers in the background, as He is carelessly ignored and casually brushed aside.

EXCEPT WHEN THE STORM BECOME WILD. WE ALL TURN TO HIM AND ONLY HIM.

the very thought and expectation of the people who, having synthesized a storm(through fire power), tell their captives ,''renounce Jesus or die'', . But glory to God, they have been and will continually be shamed!

Scholar8200, i certainly see no reason for you to remain in Christianity at this point. You can see the obvious. You guys have no merit here. As educated as you are, you should be able to figure out this whole thing already.

There is NO WAY Christians can return to monotheism unless and until they return to Islam.

Empiree:
And you acted like you dont know about Allaha

And what's the DEFINITION of Allaha?

when and where? Aramaic is a language that shares similarity with arabic. And if God means Allaha in aramaic, it means where idols were called gods, the same allaha word would be used. Hence the God we know, the One Jesus referred to is the Father Whose Name is Yahweh.

Which does Islam refer to?

WORDWORLD:



1. You most likely didnt read the sites i attached to my post. Otherwise the difference is to CLEAR.

2. The paradise is where its being promised to experience absolute serenity. Living your faith still dont solve the problem. THERE HAS BEEN COUNTLESS WARS just to make people accept DEMOCRACY. Its left for you to seek a peace of heart. There cant be peace in the world because GOOD and EVIL TRUTH and FALSEHOOD are always at war.

3. Its a lot deeper than you think. Islam is not about sunni or shite or saudi Arabia. Its about the Quran and the Hadith.

4. Yes, the Quran did say there is no community of people to whom wasnt sent their own prophet. When you translate the meaning of GOD in all these languages it all carries the attribute of the SUPREME. If its God that created languages you should except that He did forget to define Himself via it. GOD IS INGRAINED IN MAN HE MAY CHOSE TO PRETEND NOT TO ACCEPTING AND DISOBEY.

5. Yes, the Quran is in Arabic but those who have studied it know that its not talking about Arabs nor an Arabian God. There are 99 attributes that makes it CLEAR.

YES THAT IS WHY ISLAM IS A COOMPLETE WAY OF LIFE. DOES ACCOMODATES EVERY GOOD IN LINE WITH ISLAM IN ALL ALREADY ESTABLISHED CULTURE.

Thank you for the civil response.

1. No, I did not. I did not think there's a reason to considering your post was understandable enough and well writ.

2. Do you have a problem with democracy? Democracy as you said in your previous post is not of Christianity, it is a worldwide phenomenon practised by different cultures way before there was any contact with Europeans.

3. Religion, either Christianity or Islam does not bring peace of heart - you worry & stress over keeping to rules & dogmas; this is self conflict that prevent a human from reaching its full potential of creating, inventing, writing - the mind is caught up with a the goal of 'righteousness', the figment of a culture or a man's imagination.

4. Peace of mind comes with conscience. Dropping the fears, worries, conflicts that comes with the requirements of religious laws and following one's conscience in just a day brings a never known type of peace.

5. There is schism in islam is what I am saying and if you think anybody is bothering to 'off' islam, playing on this schism would be a good thing to do. A few years of Shia and Sunni wars in Middle East most definitely spreading across Africa (for our stupidity) will decimate islam and its followers to its barest minimum and further give the group in your conspiracy theory power to checkmate islam after the wars. This means, no one is sweating over islam or wanting to mess with it.

6. Thank you, indeed you made sense with Almighty creator being rendered in different language which means no particular term is the 'original' name of the creator - thank you.

7. From where did Islam originate? - Arabia. What ethnicity was the starter of the religion? - Arab. What language is the religion rendered in? - Arabic. What names were used for the dramatis personae in the religion - Arab names? Places of events in Islam/Quran? - Arab. It did not use Chinese, Swahili, picked locations in Alaska - Quran/Islam is a religion by the Arabs & for the Arabs with a worldwide followership giving it a wordly outlook. The same way Christianity is a Roman/European thing, Judaism a Jewish thing, Hinduism an Indian thing, Zoroastrianism an Iranian thing, Iseese a Yoruba thing.

The names, places, language & persons making up a religion is for the people from where the religion originated to be able to relate first-hand with the teachings/examples of the religion. I hear Christians here in Naija praying against 'Pharaoph' or 'Wall of Jericho' and I just crack the Bleep up .0

8. It does not make Islam a complete way of life, Islam like other adopted religions only conquers people and strips them of their self-identity not 'adopt', else Yoruba people won't have a problem worshiping the deities of their lineage or land which is a good thing by Yoruba cultural standard

If we begin to outline the goods in Yoruba culture that Islam & Christianity have killed, you'd know neither is a 'complete way of life'.


It has been nice talking to you sir/ma.

Empiree:
Scholar8200, i certainly see no reason for you to remain in Christianity at this point. You can see the obvious. You guys have no merit here. As educated as you are, you should be able to figure out this whole thing already.

There is NO WAY Christians can return to monotheism unless and until they return to Islam.

Indeed, no one would see except God opens their eyes.

Empiree:
Scholar8200, i certainly see no reason for you to remain in Christianity at this point. You can see the obvious. You guys have no merit here. As educated as you are, you should be able to figure out this whole thing already.

There is NO WAY Christians can return to monotheism unless and until they return to Islam.

Indeed, you wouldnt see the reason neither understand except God opens your eyes.

Well we have discussed these things at length and I am not interested in saying the same things again.

The Israelite believed the Lord our God is One Lord! Yet, neither David nor Isaiah nor others were stoned when they clearly revealed His Nature!

But then if you choose to take the part of the pharisees who accused Jesus of blasphemy or of the Sabellianists who would make God's nature agreeable to their finite intellect, the choice is yours. Interestingly, both sects predates Islam and Mohammed.

God is Who He reveals Himself to be not what we expect or reason Him out to be in our finiteness and/or depravity.

Scholar8200:
Indeed, you wouldnt see the reason neither understand except God opens your eyes.

Well we have discussed these things at length and I am not interested in saying the same things again.

The Israelite believed the Lord our God is One Lord! Yet, neither David nor Isaiah nor others were stoned when they clearly revealed His Nature!

But then if you choose to take the part of the pharisees who accused Jesus of blasphemy or of the Sabellianists who would make God's nature agreeable to their finite intellect, the choice is yours. Interestingly, both sects predates Islam and Mohammed.

God is Who He reveals Himself to be not what we expect or reason Him out to be in our finiteness and/or depravity.

God's Nature and His Attributes are not complicated at all. It's the later generation influenced by shaytan that created confusion. David {p} believed in One God so was Jesus the son of Mary{p}

Whether they predate Islam and Muhammad is irrelevant. Open your eyes, brov

ALLAH WARNS

And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son.

They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.{Quran18:4-5}


[ALLAH ASKS YOU TO THINK!

And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing." Even though their fathers did not think, nor were they guided?[/u]{Quran2:170}



Truly, the worst of all creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf, the dumb, those who do not reason/think.{Qur'an 8:22}


Do they not contemplate within themselves? Allah has not created the heavens and the earth and what is between them except in truth and for a specified term. And indeed, many of the people, in [the matter of] the meeting with their Lord, are disbelievers.{Qur’an 30:8}

Scholar8200:
the very thought and expectation of the people who, having synthesized a storm(through fire power), tell their captives ,''renounce Jesus or die'', . But glory to God, they have been and will continually be shamed!

HAVE YOU READ THE STORY OF JONAH IN THE BIBLE? WHEN THE SHIP THAT HABOURED HIM WAS FACING CHALLENGES AND EVERYONES LIFE WAS AT STAKE. WHO DID THEY ALL FINALLY TURN TO.

9jacrip:



Thank you for the civil response.

1. No, I did not. I did not think there's a reason to considering your post was understandable enough and well writ.

2. Do you have a problem with democracy? Democracy as you said in your previous post is not of Christianity, it is a worldwide phenomenon practised by different cultures way before there was any contact with Europeans.

3. Religion, either Christianity or Islam does not bring peace of heart - you worry & stress over keeping to rules & dogmas; this is self conflict that prevent a human from reaching its full potential of creating, inventing, writing - the mind is caught up with a the goal of 'righteousness', the figment of a culture or a man's imagination.

4. Peace of mind comes with conscience. Dropping the fears, worries, conflicts that comes with the requirements of religious laws and following one's conscience in just a day brings a never known type of peace.

5. There is schism in islam is what I am saying and if you think anybody is bothering to 'off' islam, playing on this schism would be a good thing to do. A few years of Shia and Sunni wars in Middle East most definitely spreading across Africa (for our stupidity) will decimate islam and its followers to its barest minimum and further give the group in your conspiracy theory power to checkmate islam after the wars. This means, no one is sweating over islam or wanting to mess with it.

6. Thank you, indeed you made sense with Almighty creator being rendered in different language which means no particular term is the 'original' name of the creator - thank you.

7. From where did Islam originate? - Arabia. What ethnicity was the starter of the religion? - Arab. What language is the religion rendered in? - Arabic. What names were used for the dramatis personae in the religion - Arab names? Places of events in Islam/Quran? - Arab. It did not use Chinese, Swahili, picked locations in Alaska - Quran/Islam is a religion by the Arabs & for the Arabs with a worldwide followership giving it a wordly outlook. The same way Christianity is a Roman/European thing, Judaism a Jewish thing, Hinduism an Indian thing, Zoroastrianism an Iranian thing, Iseese a Yoruba thing.

The names, places, language & persons making up a religion is for the people from where the religion originated to be able to relate first-hand with the teachings/examples of the religion. I hear Christians here in Naija praying against 'Pharaoph' or 'Wall of Jericho' and I just crack the Bleep up .0

8. It does not make Islam a complete way of life, Islam like other adopted religions only conquers people and strips them of their self-identity not 'adopt', else Yoruba people won't have a problem worshiping the deities of their lineage or land which is a good thing by Yoruba cultural standard

If we begin to outline the goods in Yoruba culture that Islam & Christianity have killed, you'd know neither is a 'complete way of life'.


It has been nice talking to you sir/ma.

I LIKE YOUR RESPONSES TOO AND I HONESTLY THINK I HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE WHOM WE CAN CONVERSE ON A PLAIN LEVEL SEEKING TO UNDERSTANDING ONE ANOTHER. I DONT DO THE SPORT CALLED ARGUEMENT I ONLY STATE TRUISM.

The fact that you didnt bother to read from the sites i encouraged you to tells me that you most likely have a made up mind which is not too good for anyone who SINCERELY wants to grow. Am not here to defend ISLAM on the contrary am here to state the TRUTH.

The TRUTH is that ISLAM did not start with Prophet Muhammad nor is it an Arabian ideology. There are too many misunderstanding because we purposely STAIN what is so PLAIN just like the numerous people such as Annunaki and co keep on doing for their own PERVERSE reasons.

The points that you've raise answers alot of questions to Humanities out cries which is so ANSWERED in the Quran.

Now that i have found someone though with what seems a made up mind i still wont decline. Its my responsibility to kindly share with you in peace the TRUTH that i have by myself discovered through delibrate effort and not INDOCTRINATION.

Be a little patient with me my dear friend as i become merticulous with you. Perhaps not today so, just incase, do have a great day and a wonderful week ahead.

WORDWORLD:


HAVE YOU READ THE STORY OF JONAH IN THE BIBLE? WHEN THE SHIP THAT HABOURED HIM WAS FACING CHALLENGES AND EVERYONES LIFE WAS AT STAKE. WHO DID THEY ALL FINALLY TURN TO.

Analogy not applicable here!
However, they turned everyone to his god (Jonah 1;5a) but when Jonah told them what he did and Who Yahweh, his God was, they did what Jonah told them and when they saw the result, they feared the Lord - Yahweh.

Likewise, in time to come, EVERY knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is Lord!

Empiree:
God's Nature and His Attributes are not complicated at all. It's the later generation influenced by shaytan that created confusion. David {p} believed in One God so was Jesus the son of Mary{p}

Whether they predate Islam and Muhammad is irrelevant. Open your eyes, brov

alright.

Scholar8200:
Analogy not applicable here!
However, they turned everyone to his god (Jonah 1;5a) but when Jonah told them what he did and Who Yahweh, his God was, they did what Jonah told them and when they saw the result, they feared the Lord - Yahweh.

Likewise, in time to come, EVERY knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is Lord!

AT THIS POINT, I GUESS IT DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE TO CONVERSE ON TOPICS OUTSIDE THE PURPOSE OF THE POST SINCE ITS TOO OBVIOUS THAT A FRAUD IS A FRAUD AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT BE LEAVE IT AS ITS IT NATURE. AM REFERING TO THE PRIMARY QUESTIONS. FRAUDULENT WRITER OF MATTEW AND THE FAITHLESSNESS OF THE 12 'HYPOCRITES' ACCORDING TO BIBLE'S DESCRIPTION OF THEM. THE QURAN SAYS OTHERWISE AND HOLDS THEM WITH GREAT ESTEEM. HOPE TO QUOTE THE VERSE AS REGARDS THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST AS NARRATED BY THE GLORIOUS QURAN SOON.

The point with the story of Jonah is that everyone evntually turned to the only TRUTH that created them whom they have pretended to denyiny. Even Jonah a prophet of God was at that moment in denial of God. He was on the run, away from his duty as commanded by God.

HENCE, MANKIND WHEN FACED IN TRUTH THAT WHICH WILL CRUSH HIM, HE CRIES TO THE ONLY ONE GOD OF MOSES, ABRAHAM, MUHAMMED, JESUS, OF ALL CREATION. ITS ALL FOLLY ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO DENY HIM IN HIS PURITY.

9jacrip and wordworld. I suggest that you two create a new trend and show nairalanders what true debate, devoid of abuses and slanders, should look like. Please endeavour to mention me when the trend is created.

ypeace:
9jacrip and wordworld. I suggest that you two create a new trend and show nairalanders what true debate, devoid of abuses and slanders, should look like. Please endeavour to mention me when the trend is created.

Curious to know your other reasons for your suggestion apart from showing NL What true debate should look. Mind you its no DEBATE its an ENLIGHTENMENT.

@ 9jacrip

Just finished checking your profile and then my TRUIST alarms rang in my head Beep! Beep!! Beep!!! 9jacrip seems to be an AFRICAN CULTURALIST no wonder.

Well Am a HARDCORE TRUIST. You may never find the word in the diction. My defination of a TRUIST is no more than a keen LOVER OF TRUTH that can be subjected to a falsification test.

So let me assure you that as long as your sayings are TRUE, i will always surrender to them there is no reason to be ARROGANT. Just be ready to PROVE and remember EXPLANATION is not the same as PROOF.

Once again have a great day.

Empiree:
Scholar8200, i certainly see no reason for you to remain in Christianity at this point. You can see the obvious. You guys have no merit here. As educated as you are, you should be able to figure out this whole thing already.

There is NO WAY Christians can return to monotheism unless and until they return to Islam.

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your last paragraph is funny ...but most of all the last word is is contradictory to present REALITIES.

what do u think?

ebenice:
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your last paragraph is funny ...but most of all the last word is is contradictory to present REALITIES.

what do u think?

You are yet to give your thought about who God is. Can you share yours? . Merely ranting isn't going to help you. Let me help you. 50% christians say Jesus is God. Another 50% say Jesus is not God. Which one should we believe?. Any idea?

Empiree:
You are yet to give your thought about who God is. Can you share yours? . Merely ranting isn't going to help you. Let me help you. 50% christians say Jesus is God. Another 50% say Jesus is not God. Which one should we believe?. Any idea?

Bravoo!!! Perfectly stating where the TRUE contradiction lies. EXCELLENTO.