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Op,there's only one God.He has only one way of salvation.He sent Jesus.His Truth and salvation came by Jesus.
For the law was given by Moses,but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ(John 1:17)
The best prophets can do is give laws and instructions.

It's not about casting into hell,it's more about being qualified for heaven.I'll give you an example;
The universities do not take in all students but those who pass and meet the admission requirements.Many are outside the universities because they do not pass.
So shall it be for many who do not meet God's requirements.They will be 'outside'.

thorpido:
Op,there's only one God.He has only one way of salvation.He sent Jesus.His Truth and salvation came by Jesus.
For the law was given by Moses,but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ(John 1:17)
The best prophets can do is give laws and instructions.

It's not about casting into hell,it's more about being qualified for heaven.I'll give you an example;
The universities do not take in all students but those who pass and meet the admission requirements.Many are outside the universities because they do not pass.
So shall it be for many who do not meet God's requirements.They will be 'outside'.

Your analogy is flawed , those that didn't gain admission to the university have many non-university options
that is not dictated by the university itself.
In the case of religion , you either gain admission to the gods'
heaven or you end up in same gods' hell.

Somehow

Destined2win:
Thought you were all about politics..and defending buhari

wetin be dis tin

It's easy as written they'd perish. Do you go to someone's house you don't know and expect he opens up for you? John 3:16 explains His mission on earth to take everyone along with him on the last day. But, it is up to you to accept or reject it, He also promised us that he's in heaven preparing a place for us if we accept Him. So as harsh it might sound it's easy to do so now you're still reading this post.

John: 14.6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.(kjv)

John: 3.16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(kjv)

Ephesians:1.5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. (kjv)

As simple as the plan of Salvation is, its always going to be a stumbling block for those not predestined.

omenka:
Good morning ladies and gentlemen.

I've always had this question tugging a my everytime I think about the numerous religions and belief systems in the world and look at the sheer number of their adherents/faithfuls.

In the Bible, it has been explicitly stated that except through Christ, it is impossible to enter the kingdom of God/have eternal life. This presupposes that if one isn't born again (accepting Christ as one's Lord and Saviour) the chances of one being "saved" is totally foreclosed!

Now, we know about such major religions as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and New Age. I for one believe none is more superior to the other, but truth be told, we tend (generally speaking) to believe the only "true" path to genuine righteousness and salvation is Christ, yet all the adherents of the various faiths believe in some form of supreme being with whom we are bound to spend the "here-after" depending on how you lived your life.

The question then is [b]what happens to the souls of the billions (over 3 billion) who aren't "Christians" and what happens to the billions (probably over 6billion out of a total population of 7billion) who aren't Born Again Christians??

Are their souls hell bound or is their some place else reserved for them elsewhere.

Knowing some of those practising these other religions have characters only comparable to that of Angels even makes the question more important- take the lifestyle of Buddhist Monks for instance. Can one be that righteous yet still go to hell according to our doctrine??

A lot more questions beggar answers...but this is sufficient for now.


Would like the pastors in the house to shed some light on this.

Thanks.

sir. Good question
A close look at the books that guide these religion you will see the traces of Jesus and God in them. I think that is pointer to you that Jesus is true and if he is then anything said about him will happen..

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johnydon22:
..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expendable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

Thank you for this.

If only people realise that what they call religion is basically following another person's answer to his fear of the unknown.

If only man could ask himself just a simple question: where was I before I became conscious of life? Then he would have the answer he desperately needs for where he would be when he's no longer conscious of life.

For one thing, no one has come back from the dead to regale us with tales of the "after life" and not even Jesus did that in the so called Bible. Nor has anyone told us about where he was before he was born. It was all learnt here. The basic lesson is, the manner may be different but we will all go the way we came just like billions of humans before us.

Anyways, to each his own. If you want to live your entire life in thrall of the day you die then by all means do so. Just don't try to get the rest of us to do the same or make it seem like we who don't share your fear have nuts loose in the head.

Good day NL, PLS read your bible very well, none of the other one had the kind of virgin birth that Jesus had, and most of them, atleast islam is said to have agreed with this. None other made bold declarations like Jesus "I am the way, the truth and the life". he was and is in God, Others either claimed to be messengers or saw visions, Only Jesus said boldly that He is the son of God. From the onset, as a child. He already knew what he was coming to do {Died for the coming of the world} and knew who His father is when mother mary was looking for Him. He alone talked about his death and how it will be even after his death, virtually everything He said, have and are coming to pass..............it goes on and on. just believe. Before we came HE was God, after us He will still be God. He is not a respecter of anyone. Do we know if there are other beings somewhere else that are over a trillion or over megiston in number? to bother about some billions who would not go through the right door? God help us to make Heaven. God be glorified for ever in Jesus Name. Amen. However true Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the life of God in a man. while religion is man keep trying to know or find God.

neocortex:
Your analogy is flawed , those that didn't gain admission to the university have many non-university options
that is not dictated by the university itself.
In the case of religion , you either gain admission to the gods'
heaven or you end up in same gods' hell.

Listen to yourself.
How can 'non-university' options be options for universities?
U go school so?

johnydon22:
The Noah's tale was copied from an older sumerian tale Epic of Gilgamesh. . . that's mythological borrow of cultural and religious cents.

You are intelligent! Thumbs up for you.

The sooner u throw religion away the better for u....

Believe in God, d goodness of man and forget what pastors say....

Do u think the God of jesus will willingly watch 4 billion souls rot in hell just becos they dont profess christianity?

i dont think so..

thorpido:
Listen to yourself.
How can 'non-university' options be options for universities?
U go school so?

It takes more than literacy to understand written words,
Next time seek others opinion before giving a response that will end
up embarrassing you.

TheFirstLady:
...ancient history from around the world gives credence to the Noah's flood... there was a flood at a point in the earth's history... it is an historical fact not some mythical tale...

You are right but there are hundreds of other natural disasters that were more catastrophic than Noah's flood (which was actually the surge in oceans and rivers due to the melting of ice at the poles as a result of global warming 5000 years ago).

Noah's flood is historically correct but attributing it to an angry god is simply silly. Please research about volcanic eruptions throughout history.

Kondomatik:
Just do what is right and leave the rest for yur maker if you believe in one.

What is right is living in this world according to the way your creator wants but not what you think its right

neocortex:
It takes more than literacy to understand written words,
Next time seek others opinion before giving a response that will end
up embarrassing you.

Are the polytechnics your non-university options?
It's true literacy is not enough to understand written words.I expected you to expound on your comment.

TMANO:
From the onset, as a child. He already knew what he was coming to do {Died for the coming of the world}

So Jesus already knew that his death is equivalent to redemption of sins for his followers and he still went ahead and prayed to God to let the cup (his death) pass over him? [Matthew 26:39]
Seems like Jesus dont want to die for his follower's sin but was forced.

tunisbaba:
So Jesus already knew that his death is equivalent to redemption of sins for his followers and he still went ahead and prayed to God to let the cup (his death) pass over him? [Matthew 26:39]
Seems like Jesus dont want to die for his follower's sin but was forced.

Jesus' mission on earth was the redemption of man.
When Jesus was on the earth,He was a man because He took on the form of a man.As a man,He had the emotions and feelings of man and expressed such.His cry when He was to die was the expression of pain as a man.

omenka:
Of course! So what you are trying to say essentially is that all Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists will perish- including all unborn-again Christians?? What is a whole lot of people oo!

hmmmm OM..who is a follower of Christ? GEJ or PMB? answer you get will open your mind to the real definition and not all the claims being thrown around.

johnydon22:
..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expendable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

Wow. Great post.

Christianity is not religion you need to know that...... It is a way of life which purpose is to conform humans to the original way of living..... That's why if you read about Christ in the Bible you just get that feeling in your heart that this man called Christ never sinned. All what God wants from you is your heart and for you to present yourself a living sacrifice unto the Lord. What I have come to learn in this life is real definition of love was in the Bible which was through Christ. Don't be deceived that small voice telling you that there's hellfire and that guilt in the heart of man whenever you commit any sin(stealing, fornication, adultery, deceitful acts etc) should let you know there's consequences for not accepting the truth. People fail to read the Bible that's why there's so much confusion in the society facts have it that the best book ever is the Bible (everything you need to know about God is there) please repent from your sins and stop being confused by religion cause after all said and done you have to forsake this world and die in Christ for you to be saved by his blood. The truth is bitter but it sure heals the soul which will never die........ Go to deeper life and know the way to holiness through the undiluted word... Stop believing your good deeds will help you. The last days are upon us

johnydon22:
there was no global flood, the story is of Sumerian origin and then later found in younger cultures afterwards..

Younger stories do not give credibility to old ones rather only stories of the same timeline can do that.

Myths and legends are centered around some original motif or theme, the historical consensus is that the Sumerian legend was actually referring to an in land flood in the mesopotamian region.

It cannot and never was a global flood, there is no such rain.

The myth of the God Ea warning the chief character and instructing him to build a boat is a plain myth in the sumerian legend..

It is a complete myth.... These stories, legends and myths served a theological purpose to these semitic cultures not a historical one its only 21st century moro_ns that tag them historical because their beliefs are centered around these myths.

It hasnt been ascertained which of the stories came first. Dont call the biblical noah story a younger version, probability exists that it must have been older than that of the epic of gilgamesh . Besides, the epic is largely viewed as a myth while noah:s ark is historical and has been traced.

TMANO:
Good day NL, PLS read your bible very well, none of the other one had the kind of virgin birth that Jesus had, and most of them, atleast islam is said to have agreed with this. None other made bold declarations like Jesus "I am the way, the truth and the life". he was and is in God, Others either claimed to be messengers or saw visions, Only Jesus said boldly that He is the son of God. From the onset, as a child. He already knew what he was coming to do {Died for the coming of the world} and knew who His father is when mother mary was looking for Him. He alone talked about his death and how it will be even after his death, virtually everything He said, have and are coming to pass..............it goes on and on. just believe. Before we came HE was God, after us He will still be God. He is not a respecter of anyone. Do we know if there are other beings somewhere else that are over a trillion or over megiston in number? to bother about some billions who would not go through the right door? God help us to make Heaven. God be glorified for ever in Jesus Name. Amen. However true Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the life of God in a man. while religion is man keep trying to know or find God.

God bless you

IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS(SPIRITUAL) AND THE EARTH(PHYSICAL) BUT NOT THE UNIVERSE??

NOW TALKING ABOUT MAKING HEAVEN THROUGH THE SON IS FUNNY HOW U CHRISTIANS HAVE BLIND FAITH IN THAT SAME BIBLE JESUS SAID HE IS GOING TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR THE SAINT AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM MEANING B4 HE CAME TO EARTH TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF CAUSE HE DIDN'T STAY DEAD THE "PLACE" HASN'T BEEN PREPARED YET BUT WELL WITH BLIND FAITH YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT CRAP...

WHEN I LOOK AT CHRISTIANS ALL I SEE IS SELFISH AND GREEDY INDIVIDUALS WHO CARE ABOUT ONLY THEMSELVES

Omojolaray:
Christianity is not religion you need to know that...... It is a way of life which purpose is to conform humans to the original way of living..... That's why if you read about Christ in the Bible you just get that feeling in your heart that this man called Christ never sinned. All what God wants from you is your heart and for you to present yourself a living sacrifice unto the Lord. What I have come to learn in this life is real definition of love was in the Bible which was through Christ. Don't be deceived that small voice telling you that there's hellfire and that guilt in the heart of man whenever you commit any sin(stealing, fornication, adultery, deceitful acts etc) should let you know there's consequences for not accepting the truth. People fail to read the Bible that's why there's so much confusion in the society facts have it that the best book ever is the Bible (everything you need to know about God is there) please repent from your sins and stop being confused by religion cause after all said and done you have to forsake this world and die in Christ for you to be saved by his blood. The truth is bitter but it sure heals the soul which will never die........ Go to deeper life and know the way to holiness through the undiluted word... Stop believing your good deeds will help you. The last days are upon us

PLEASE READ WHAT YOU WROTE AGAIN THIS TIME WITH YOUR BRAIN DOESN'T IT SOUND OCCULTIC TO YOU?? THE SAME GOD THAT CREATED YOU NEED YOUR HEART?? AND WE SHOULD PRESENT OURSELVES AS A LIVING SACRIFICE ?? FOR WHAT?? THE ALL LOVING GOD O GOD THAT IS PERFECT OR IS GOD DEVIL CAUSE EVEN HADES WAS A GOD..

There's not one righteous, no not one!
But through Christ, He that is the first born of the dead to bring us life. Never sinned but was condemned for our sins. It's unfortunate but no salvation without Christ, all souls that die without Christ are hell bound.

We'll never find a concrete proof of the existence of a God or gods, in the afterlife or after-death.
It behooves on us then to play safe, either follow the status quo and accept the prominent religion in your designation or decide to follow your own belief and control your own destiny.
I for one believe in Faith. Whether faith in a higher power or in oneself. This is what makes the impossible possible and what miracles are made of.
Although we cannot deny the fact that a good religion, whether Buddhism, Islam or christisnity, etc instills some level of discipline in one, and with discipline, one can only go far in life.

God will not compromise His stand on sin. He is the Boss! No sinner will gain entry into His heaven. He made a sure and fail-safe way available in Christ, from sin first, then into heaven eventually. If earthlings won't follow His way, they will end up where He made for satan and his angels - Mat 25:41. So many religions exist in the world today cos satan deceived men to create them. A demon can appear or speak to someone, instructing them to start a movement or religion and they without knowing, would willingly do, believing it is God they heard. Satan and his hordes don't fight fair, they will do anything to get all humanity to rot in hell with them. Jesus said He is the TRUTH. Whoever you choose to follow is up to you. The day you exit the earth, you'd know for sure which was really the right way or religion, only then, it'd be too late to make amends if you followed the wrong way.
@Thefirstlady, your contributions are quite note worthy; I burst into tongues while reading the first one. Thanks for that.
@Omenka, thanks for this post!

2cute:
God will not compromise His stand on sin. He is the Boss! No sinner will gain entry into His heaven. He made a sure and fail-safe way available in Christ, from sin first, then into heaven eventually. If earthlings won't follow His way, they will end up where He made for satan and his angels - Mat 25:41. So many religions exist in the world today cos satan deceived men to create them. A demon can appear or speak to someone, instructing them to start a movement or religion and they without knowing, would willingly do, believing it is God they heard. Satan and his hordes don't fight fair, they will do anything to get all humanity to rot in hell with them. Jesus said He is the TRUTH. Whoever you choose to follow is up to you. The day you exit the earth, you'd know for sure which was really the right way or religion, only then, it'd be too late to make amends if you followed the wrong way.
@Thefirstlady, your contributions are quite note worthy; I burst into tongues while reading the first one. Thanks for that.
@Omenka, thanks for this post!

PLEASE WHEN WILL WE START USING OUR BRAIN HAVE U EVER THOUGHT OF THIS?? HOW ARE YOU SURE THAT IF U MK THAT HEAVEN THAT GOD IS NOT GOING TO TEST U THERE ND IF U FAIL SEND U OUT??

oglalasioux:
You are right but there are hundreds of other natural disasters that were more catastrophic than Noah's flood (which was actually the surge in oceans and rivers due to the melting of ice at the poles as a result of global warming 5000 years ago).

Noah's flood is historically correct but attributing it to an angry god is simply silly. Please research about volcanic eruptions throughout history.

for the sake of this discuss Noah's flood is the focal point to lend credence to my submission. Thank you for attesting to the fact Noah's flood took place.

2cute:
God will not compromise His stand on sin. He is the Boss! No sinner will gain entry into His heaven. He made a sure and fail-safe way available in Christ, from sin first, then into heaven eventually. If earthlings won't follow His way, they will end up where He made for satan and his angels - Mat 25:41. So many religions exist in the world today cos satan deceived men to create them. A demon can appear or speak to someone, instructing them to start a movement or religion and they without knowing, would willingly do, believing it is God they heard. Satan and his hordes don't fight fair, they will do anything to get all humanity to rot in hell with them. Jesus said He is the TRUTH. Whoever you choose to follow is up to you. The day you exit the earth, you'd know for sure which was really the right way or religion, only then, it'd be too late to make amends if you followed the wrong way.
@Thefirstlady, your contributions are quite note worthy; I burst into tongues while reading the first one. Thanks for that.
@Omenka, thanks for this post!

why,thank you... Jah Bless