lexiconkabir:


ALL SAHIH ahadith are revelation, some sahih hadith might not go down well with you if you dont have the proper understanding of it, so get the proper understanding, you need to study.

we all need it. However we need to scrutinize whatever we are been taught.

Leave the Bible out of this, the Quran has made it clear that the bible is not a book to be followed

Still doesn't change the fact that the writers of the hadith were not eye witness just like the writer of the Bible.

Yes, All SAHIH AHADITH are revelation, the most healthy book on earth is the Quran, followed by Bukhari, i hope that answers your Question.

The fact the Quran is followed by Bukhari makes the Quran more viable than it in all way. And so the Quran says"let those who reject faith reject, Allah (swt) will judge them" and the hadith says"kill all those who reject faith" isn't this outright contradiction?

WAllahi i used to think in your line in the past, but i have tried to study more, hence my line of thinking changed.

And since you are no longer thinking in that line, would you kill any of your relative should they abandon faith? **3rd time**

lexiconkabir:


You have to study the science of hadith, to fully grasp why i am so rigid on this issue, and why i believe in all ahadith classed as SAHIH.

Okay.

This verse doesnt refers to apostates, or does it?

It refers to it, unless you can prove otherwise.


Surah Yunus, Verse 99:
وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ لَآمَنَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّىٰ يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ

And [thus it is:] had thy Sustainer so willed, all those who live on earth would surely have attained to faith, all of them: dost thou, then, think that thou couldst compel people to believe,

Rilwayne001:


we all need it. However we need to scrutinize whatever we are been taught.

If it does agrees with Alkitab wa sunnah then we are obliged to follow it, we don't need to put in our own reasoning first in front of what Allah and his messenger commanded, this is the plain truth sire.

Still doesn't change the fact that the writers of the hadith were not eye witness just like the writer of the Bible.

This is the more reason why you need to study the science of hadith.

The fact the Quran is followed by Bukhari makes the Quran more viable than it in all way. And so the Quran says"let those who reject faith reject, Allah (swt) will judge them" and the hadith says"kill all those who reject faith" isn't this outright contradiction?

What do you understand by being judged?

And since you are no longer thinking in that line, would you kill any of your relative should they abandon faith? **3rd time**

Allah Knows best.

Rilwayne001:

Okay.



It refers to it, unless you can prove otherwise.

The verse refers to the pagans of Makkah, who were not yet Muslims

Surah Yunus, Verse 99:
وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ لَآمَنَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّىٰ يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ

And [thus it is:] had thy Sustainer so willed, all those who live on earth would surely have attained to faith, all of them: dost thou, then, think that thou couldst compel people to believe,

ThIs again refers to those that haven't believed yet.

lexiconkabir:

If it does agrees with Alkitab wa sunnah then we are obliged to follow it, we don't need to put in our own reasoning first in front of what Allah and his messenger commanded, this is the plain truth sire. This is the more reason why you need to study the science of hadith.

Okay.

What do you understand by being judged?

Understand by being judged as how?

One thing I know is that, the only judge is Allah (swt). We have no reason to take it upon ourselves.

Allah Knows best.

Which means you are not sure, are you?

lexiconkabir:


The verse refers to the pagans of Makkah, who were not yet Muslims



ThIs again refers to those that haven't believed yet.

Okay

@op, Seun

The Quran says again: Surah An-Nisa, Verse 137:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللَّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلَا لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلًا

Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.


^^^Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then BELIEVE and again DISBELIEVE. if a Muslim rejects faith and is then killed for doing so how will he live to again BELIEVE and then DISBELIEVE. The atmosphere of this verse is that of free will and freedom of choice to everyone. If Allah wanted he would have said something about the punishment, if there was any, of those who reject Islam after accepting it. but Allah takes this to be clearly a private matter between them and Allah.

What do you have to say?

I am honestly forced to comment on this. I can't wait till end of Ramadan to respond. I decided to go offline because I wanted to avoid back to back talks, vain talks in this Blessed month of Ramadan. Back to topic, I DISAGREE with brother lexiconkabir. Respectively, you are very wrong dear brother. You make my stomach turned.

I dont think i need to cite references further as rilwayne001 and others already did that. Brother lexiconkabir, first all, there is no way hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran....NO WAY. Do you agree?

This verse STANDS and VALID until end of time.


"THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION"



The problem you have and those scholars you quoted have is wrong methodology. Let's assume the hadith you quoted is valid. Have you ever heard of something called "system of meaning"?, which means you can not take the above hadith or any hadith in isolation. This is lazy man methodology. You and those scholars supposed to put together all the data in reference to the hadith, put them together to form harmonious whole and then derive a meaning. You and the scholars you claimed you support took the hadith in isolation. This is very wrong and dangerous.


Now, let me explain the hadith to you if indeed it is true to begin with. The context of the hadith in reference to another hadith that you failed to cite in your #5 is when the prophet(saw) made the statement, it was in the time of war and if the apostate poses a threat to the community. So it is to mean that in that time when every man was a soldier at war and call to defend Muslim populace and then he joins the other side(enemy) and divulges the secrets of Muslim military to the enemy, then he's to be killed. This is clear case of treason. This is also general rule in any given nations today.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPULSION in Islam. You and your scholars go against Quran.



The thing is, in Islam, there is no separation of Church(Mosque) and State. Therefore, if a Muslim openly renounces Islam and then saying unspeakable things against Islam which may prevent or lead people astray or speak against the state, this is considered treason. It is only then govt will act NOT individual. When such a person in punished in our modern time, non-Muslims do not look at it as treason but as religious repression. They failed proper investigation.



As for your statement that Sahih hadith are ALL REVELATIONS, brother, it takes a very simply physics to dispel such mythology of yours. Yes, hadith is revelation also as reported by the prophet(saw) himself. But there is no where Allah guarantees protection of any religious Books or any books except Qur'an.


Allah Knows Best

Empiree:
I am honestly forced to comment on this. I can't wait till end of Ramadan to respond. I decided to go offline because I wanted to avoid back to back talks, vain talks in this Blessed month of Ramadan. Back to topic, I DISAGREE with brother lexiconkabir. Respectively, you are very wrong dear brother. You make my stomach turned.

I dont think i need to cite references further as rilwayne001 and others already did that. Brother lexiconkabir, first all, there is no way hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran....NO WAY. Do you agree?

This verse STANDS and VALID until end of time.


"THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION"



The problem you have and those scholars you quoted have is wrong methodology. Let's assume the hadith you quoted is valid. Have you ever heard of something called "system of meaning"?, which means you can not take the above hadith or any hadith in isolation. This is lazy man methodology. You and those scholars supposed to put together all the data in reference to the hadith, put them together to form harmonious whole and then derive a meaning. You and the scholars you claimed you support took the hadith in isolation. This is very wrong and dangerous.


Now, let me explain the hadith to you if indeed it is true to begin with. The context of the hadith in reference to another hadith that you failed to cite in your #5 is when the prophet(saw) made the statement, it was in the time of war and if the apostate pose a threat to the community. So it is to mean that in that time when every man was a soldier at war and call to defend Muslim populace and then he joins the other side(enemy) and divulges the secrets of Muslim military to the enemy, then he's to be killed. This is clear case of treason. This is also general rule in any given nations today.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPULSION in Islam. You and your scholars go against Quran.



The thing is, in Islam, there is no separation of Church(Mosque) and State. Therefore, if a Muslim openly renounces Islam and then saying unspeakable things against Islam which may prevent or lead people astray or speak against the state, this is considered treason. It is only then govt will act NOT individual. When such a person in punished in our modern time, non-Muslims do not look at it as treason but as religious repression. They failed proper investigation.



As for you statement that Sahih hadith are ALL REVELATIONS, brother, it takes a very simply physics to dispel such mythology of yours. Yes, hadith is revelation also as reported by the prophet(saw) himself. But there is no where Allah guarantees protection of any religious Books or any books except Qur'an.


Allah Knows Best

Nice

Rilwayne001:

Understand by being judged as how?

A sinner can as well suffer here on earth and the hereafter for his sins.

One thing I know is that, the only judge is Allah (swt). We have no reason to take it upon ourselves.

Allah is the supreme judge, but HE(azza wa jal) also sent down revelations (through ahadith and the Quran) which are called "hududullahi", so we derive judgements from these two weighty things.

Which means you are not sure, are you?

I don't have the right to kill anyone, what ever the court decides on the matter, then so be it, this was why i said Allah knows best.

@lexiconkabir

It's people like you that make people believe islaam is a radical religion.....

You have been hammering on that same Hadith since, bit you didn't even see mine that is also in saheeh al-bukhari....

Even if saheeh buhari is the most authentic source of Hadith, it would still have some weak and fabricated Hadith, remember bukhari is a human being prone to error...

The prophet has once said that anyone who drags his lower garment, that portion is in the fire, but there are other Hadith which clearly states that rasuulullah dragged his lower garment, would he now enter the fire?? Subhaanallah!!!!!

The Quran clearly stated "no compulsion in religion" this is the word of God here, so why hammering on one Hadith for Allah's sake.....

My brother rilwayne also quoted lots of verses, but u still dey hammer on one Hadith, chaaaaii

I am beginning to reason with mudir Markaz Agege

lexiconkabir:


In what way does it contradict it? Did it say, Apostates should go scot free?

I asked you a question but u never replied me, if para venture one of ur siblings stop being a muslim today, will u kill him or her?

Why must u leave what Qur'an teaches and prophet and believe u must accept what one "Al-Buhari" reported (when, where, how) all in the name of Sahih hadith which was written after the demise of prophet (S.A.W).

Alhajipablo:
I am beginning to reason with mudir Markaz Agege

Am telling you, though am not into any Islamic sect, I try to seek knowledge because I want to know it not cos people condemn or accept it. just look at this again

Lagusta:
@lexiconkabir

It's people like you that make people believe islaam is a radical religion.....

You have been hammering on that same Hadith since, bit you didn't even see mine that is also in saheeh al-bukhari....

Even if saheeh buhari is the most authentic source of Hadith, it would still have some weak and fabricated Hadith, remember bukhari is a human being prone to error...

The prophet has once said that anyone who drags his lower garment, that portion is in the fire, but there are other Hadith which clearly states that rasuulullah dragged his lower garment, would he now enter the fire?? Subhaanallah!!!!!

The Quran clearly stated "no compulsion in religion" this is the word of God here, so why hammering on one Hadith for Allah's sake.....

My brother rilwayne also quoted lots of verses, but u still dey hammer on one Hadith, chaaaaii

I tire ooo

Empiree:
I am honestly forced to comment on this. I can't wait till end of Ramadan to respond. I decided to go offline because I wanted to avoid back to back talks, vain talks in this Blessed month of Ramadan. Back to topic, I DISAGREE with brother lexiconka.bir. Respectively, you are very wrong dear brother. You make my stomach turned.

I see.

I dont think i need to cite references further as rilway.ne001 and others already did that. Brother lexiconkab.ir, first all, there is no way hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran....NO WAY. Do you agree?

All the verses they brought has been explained to them, that being said, i dont think i made the assertion that hadith can abrogate the Quran, i only made it Clear to them that Allah keeping silent on the worldly punishment for apostasy doesnt contradict the hadith that doesn't.

This verse STANDS and VALID until end of time.


"THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION"

yes, it will always be in the Quran, but this actually means, no one should be forced to accept islam, this doesn't rrefer to those that have believed then apostatized. What are you guys even saying? So any tom dick and harry can enter and leave the religion of Allah as he or she wills?

Now, let me explain the hadith to you if indeed it is true to begin with. The context of the hadith in reference to another hadith that you failed to cite in your #5 is when the prophet(saw) made the statement, it was in the time of war and if the apostate pose a threat to the community. So it is to mean that in that time when every man was a soldier at war and call to defend Muslim populace and then he joins the other side(enemy) and divulges the secrets of Muslim military to the enemy, then he's to be killed. This is clear case of treason. This is also general rule in any given nations today.

You have to prove this, by giving me reference to the "other ahadith"

There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPULSION in Islam. You and your scholars go against Quran.

Your opinion

As for you statement that Sahih hadith are ALL REVELATIONS, brother, it takes a very simply physics to dispel such mythology of yours. Yes, hadith is revelation also as reported by the prophet(saw) himself. But there is no where Allah guarantees protection of any religious Books or any books except Qur'an.


Allah Knows Best

Yes no book is as healthy as the Qur'an, but if an hadith has been proven to be authentic, i see no reason why it should not be followed.

ALLAHU KNOWS BEST.

Antina:


Am telling you, though am not into any Islamic sect, I try to seek knowledge because I want to know it not cos people condemn or accept it. just look at this again

Yes; I realized that the more I seek knowledge about Islam the more I understand it, I am even reading something about Albuhari and the salafis/Ahlul hadeeth online now which is making a lot of sense.

Antina:


I asked you a question but u never replied me, if para venture one of ur siblings stop being a muslim today, will u kill him or her?

I replied this, i said, i don't have the right to kill any one, whatever the court decides is what will be followed

Why must u leave what Qur'an teaches and prophet and believe u must accept what one "Al-Buhari" reported (when, where, how) all in the name of Sahih hadith which was written after the demise of prophet (S.A.W).

If i may ask you, where can the teachings of the prophet bw found?

Lagusta:
@lexiconkabir

It's people like you that make people believe islaam is a radical religion.....

You have been hammering on that same Hadith since, bit you didn't even see mine that is also in saheeh al-bukhari....

Even if saheeh buhari is the most authentic source of Hadith, it would still have some weak and fabricated Hadith, remember bukhari is a human being prone to error...

The prophet has once said that anyone who drags his lower garment, that portion is in the fire, but there are other Hadith which clearly states that rasuulullah dragged his lower garment, would he now enter the fire?? Subhaanallah!!!!!

The Quran clearly stated "no compulsion in religion" this is the word of God here, so why hammering on one Hadith for Allah's sake.....

My brother rilwayne also quoted lots of verses, but u still dey hammer on one Hadith, chaaaaii

Ya Akhi, we dont base our rulings of Islam due to way non-muslims will feel about it.

In order of Importance...

1. QURAN

2. QURAN

3. QURAN

4. QURAN

5. HADITH

6. The END

^^ This doesnt change the fact that rulings are also taken from the authentic sayings of our beloved prophet (S.A.W)

lexiconkabir:


I replied this, i said, i don't have the right to kill any one, whatever the court decides is what will be followed



If i may ask you, where can the teachings of the prophet bw found?

How can u wait for court to decide when "Al-buhari "reported"
prophet says u should kill the "apostate" however, he never "reported" to wait for court ruling.

Ur question now
In hadith (prophet says). All these "reported" cases may be complete or incomplete sometimes, accept the one that correlate with the teachings of Prophet and ignore the ones that does not, I beg. (As this yoruba saying goes: (Oro okere, ti o ba le kan, a din kan).

Empiree:
I am honestly forced to comment on this. I can't wait till end of Ramadan to respond. I decided to go offline because I wanted to avoid back to back talks, vain talks in this Blessed month of Ramadan. Back to topic, I DISAGREE with brother lexiconkabir. Respectively, you are very wrong dear brother. You make my stomach turned.

I dont think i need to cite references further as rilwayne001 and others already did that. Brother lexiconkabir, first all, there is no way hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran....NO WAY. Do you agree?

This verse STANDS and VALID until end of time.


"THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION"



The problem you have and those scholars you quoted have is wrong methodology. Let's assume the hadith you quoted is valid. Have you ever heard of something called "system of meaning"?, which means you can not take the above hadith or any hadith in isolation. This is lazy man methodology. You and those scholars supposed to put together all the data in reference to the hadith, put them together to form harmonious whole and then derive a meaning. You and the scholars you claimed you support took the hadith in isolation. This is very wrong and dangerous.


Now, let me explain the hadith to you if indeed it is true to begin with. The context of the hadith in reference to another hadith that you failed to cite in your #5 is when the prophet(saw) made the statement, it was in the time of war and if the apostate pose a threat to the community. So it is to mean that in that time when every man was a soldier at war and call to defend Muslim populace and then he joins the other side(enemy) and divulges the secrets of Muslim military to the enemy, then he's to be killed. This is clear case of treason. This is also general rule in any given nations today.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPULSION in Islam. You and your scholars go against Quran.



The thing is, in Islam, there is no separation of Church(Mosque) and State. Therefore, if a Muslim openly renounces Islam and then saying unspeakable things against Islam which may prevent or lead people astray or speak against the state, this is considered treason. It is only then govt will act NOT individual. When such a person in punished in our modern time, non-Muslims do not look at it as treason but as religious repression. They failed proper investigation.



As for you statement that Sahih hadith are ALL REVELATIONS, brother, it takes a very simply physics to dispel such mythology of yours. Yes, hadith is revelation also as reported by the prophet(saw) himself. But there is no where Allah guarantees protection of any religious Books or any books except Qur'an.


Allah Knows Best

Thank you!! Let them read Qur'an. Qur'an first.

Antina:


How can u wait for court to decide when "Al-buhari "reported"
prophet says u should kill the "apostate" however, he never "reported" to wait for court ruling.

Do you know thats irrational of you? The judge who has learnt the sharee'ah of Allah perfectly, should be the one to judge and not me, why are you so fixated on this? All your aim is for you to see me say "yes! I will kill him/her", SMH.

Ur question now
In hadith (prophet says). All these "reported" cases may be complete or incomplete sometimes, [u]accept the one that correlate with the teachings of Prophet [/u]and ignore the ones that does not, I beg. (As this yoruba saying goes: (Oro okere, ti o ba le kan, a din kan).

Where did you get the teachings of Muhammad(pbuh), of which you want yo correlate these hadiths with?

Lagusta:
This Hadith was gotten from saheeh al-bukhari

Narrated:

Abu 'Abdur-Rahman and Hibban bin 'Atiyya had a dispute. Abu 'Abdur-Rahman said to Hibban, "You know what made your companions (i.e. Ali) dare to shed blood." Hibban said, "Come on! What is that?" 'Abdur-Rahman said, "Something I heard him saying." The other said, "What was it?" 'Abdur-Rahman said, "'Ali said, Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent for me, Az-Zubair and Abu Marthad, and all of us were cavalry men, and said, 'Proceed to Raudat-Hajj (Abu Salama said that Abu 'Awana called it like this, i.e., Hajj where there is a woman carrying a letter from Hatib bin Abi Balta'a to the pagans (of Mecca). So bring that letter to me.' So we proceeded riding on our horses till we overtook her at the same place of which Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had told us. She was traveling on her camel. In that letter Hatib had written to the Meccans about the proposed attached of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) against them. We asked her, "Where is the letter which is with you?' She replied, 'I haven't got any letter.' So we made her camel kneel down and searched her luggage, but we did not find anything. My two companions said, 'We do not think that she has got a letter.' I said, 'We know that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) has not told a lie.'" Then 'Ali took an oath saying, "By Him by Whom one should swear! You shall either bring out the letter or we shall strip off your clothes." She then stretched out her hand for her girdle (round her waist) and brought out the paper (letter). They took the letter to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him). 'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)! (Hatib) has betrayed Allah, His Apostle and the believers; let me chop off his neck!" Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said, "O Hatib! What obliged you to do what you have done?" Hatib replied, "O Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)! Why (for what reason) should I not believe in Allah and His Apostle? But I intended to do the (Mecca) people a favor by virtue of which my family and property may be protected as there is none of your companions but has some of his people (relatives) whom Allah urges to protect his family and property." The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said, "He has said the truth; therefore, do not say anything to him except good." 'Umar again said, "O Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)! He has betrayed Allah, His Apostle and the believers; let me chop his neck off!" The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said, "Isn't he from those who fought the battle of Badr? And what do you know, Allah might have looked at them (Badr warriors) and said (to them), 'Do what you like, for I have granted you Paradise?' " On that, 'Umar's eyes became flooded with tears and he said, "Allah and His Apostle know best."


Source: Sahih Al Bukhari
Download: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.triosLabs.hadithreader

This is an exceptional case brother, the companion in question fought the battle of badr along side our noble prophet, and Allah the most merciful had already declared that "Do what you like, for i have granted you Paradise" to the participants of that battle.

lexiconkabir:


Do you know thats irrational of you? The judge who has learnt the sharee'ah of Allah perfectly, should be the one to judge and not me, why are you so fixated on this? All your aim is for you to see me say "yes! I will kill him/her", SMH.



Where did you get the teachings of Muhammad(pbuh), of which you want yo correlate these hadiths with?

Mr Lexiconkabir, I rest my case here cos further answers may lead to saying something that is not so good and I wouldn't want that. Salaam.

Alhajipablo:
I am beginning to reason with mudir Markaz Agege

I've always reasoned with him but one thing I notice is that all these modern alfas, self acclaimed salafis the way they talk about him sometimes, may Allah help us. When mudir markaz talked about hijab and niqab they changed the whole thing saying what he didn't say and called him lot of things....
What people like lexiconkabir should know is that in a society like Nigeria which is not a totally Islamic state some of these rules cannot stand because if you carry out the ruling of killing someone who turned against the religion what will people of other faiths say? We all know how some people are already damaging the reputation of Islam if not for the words of Allah that will always come to pass that says 'the word of Islam will always be higher', that's why we are still having people embracing Islam..... Please brothers and sisters we need to be careful with the way we do our da'wah o... Let us remember this verse that says

"ادعو الى سبيل الربك بالحكمة والموعظة حسنة”

Allah says "call people on to the way of your Lord (Islam) with wisdom and good preaching"
now tell me how do you expect a non Muslim viewing this thread to accept Islam if we keep talking about killing! Killing!... Islam is peaceful and the most tolerant religion
Salaam alaekum.

Antina:


Mr Lexiconkabir, I rest my case here cos further answers may lead to saying something that is not so good and I wouldn't want that. Salaam.

You already getting provoked due to simple questions?

Anyway its fine, you shouldnt go further if you don't want to,

Salam.

eitsei:
I've always reasoned with him but one thing I notice is that all these modern alfas, self acclaimed salafis the way they talk about him sometimes, may Allah help us. When mudir markaz talked about hijab and niqab they changed the whole thing saying what he didn't say and called him lot of things....
What people like lexiconkabir should know is that in a society like Nigeria which is not a totally Islamic state some of these rules cannot stand because if you carry out the ruling of killing someone who turned against the religion what will people of other faiths say? We all know how some people are already damaging the reputation of Islam if not for the words of Allah that will always come to pass that says 'the word of Islam will always be higher', that's why we are still having people embracing Islam..... Please brothers and sisters we need to be careful with the way we do our da'wah o... Let us remember this verse that says

"ادعو الى سبيل الربك بالحكمة والموعظة حسنة”

Allah says "call people on to the way of your Lord (Islam) with wisdom and good preaching"
now tell me how do you expect a non Muslim viewing this thread to accept Islam if we keep talking about killing! Killing!... Islam is peaceful and the most tolerant religion
Salaam alaekum.

Of course i aint saying that this ruling can be applied in Nigeria here(being a country that applies secular laws) however in the sharee'ah of Islam, thats the ruling.

lexiconkabir:


Of course i aint saying that this ruling can be applied in Nigeria here(being a country that applies secular laws) however in the sharee'ah of Islam, thats the ruling.

you should have said that in your posts... Give comprehensive details of society like Nigeria and others that are totally Islamic state

eitsei:
you should have said that in your posts... Give comprehensive details of society like Nigeria and others that are totally Islamic state

The Questioner asked in the holistic sense, not in a particular case, so i have to give a general reply, BTW i noticed that all the people that disagreed with me on this thread did so just for the sake of "what will the non-muslims think" just like you also said, and i ask the question, are you practicing islam for them?

lexiconkabir:


The Questioner asked in the holistic sense, not in a particular case, so i have to give a general reply, BTW i noticed that all the people that disagreed with me on this thread are doing that just for the sake of "what will the non-muslims think" just like you also said, and i ask the question, are you practicing islam for them?

lol..you don't give that kind of general reply to a non Muslim next time and no, I'm not practicing islam for them but we should let people see the beauty of Islam in us... Shikena