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yahmohy27:
Gbam ,brother Jazaka Allahu khaira and increases you inn knowledge about Islam.Ameen

Wa iyak ya akhi.....the ignorance muslims display in the deen these days is so so annoying, and disheartening.

May Allah guide us all to the straight path for whoever Allah has guided, none can lead astray, and whoever is led astray by Allah, none can lead to the straight path.

Herbarium:
This is nothing but the pure truth.Lexiconkabir & contact17 have said it all. Having the right knowledge is key to practicing Islam & not making judgement based on one's opinion. May ALLAH bless both of you.

May Allah bless you too! jazakallahu khairan

busar:
It's a pity that Muslims understand not their religion, they pick what suit them and leave what seems "unreasonable" to them. We are very quick to quote verses of the Qur'an without proper understanding of this verse. The prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said "I was given the Qur'an and something similar to it(the ahadith)" The ahadith is used to explain the Qur'an. You can't separate the ahadith from the Qur'an.. Bro lexiconkabir is very right as per the question. That's the the for the one who apostate.. And for those who sighted the Qur'an as an evidence, have you read the Tafsir of the aayat you quoted??
Islaam is not practised with common sense and emotions but with evidences and the understanding of the pious predecessors.... As salaamu alaykum

Lobatan,what else again ,i think that is best conclusion for this Debate brothers and Sisters ,you don't read Quran the way you read txt books,but read intensively,go for research and learn from one who is a good practicing muslims mallam what is not cleared to you not by blindly argumentation .Asallamualykum

Contact17:
There is only three instances where people should be killed
1) A person who murdered someone intentionally
2) An person who commits adultery
3) An apostate

Jazaki Allah ya ukhti

EazyMoh:
A sentence for any offense can ONLY be carried out by a competent Shariah court under a recognized Islamic leadership.
If you catch a thief you wouldn't chop off their hand, that's jungle justice.

Thanks.

lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

He is absolutely right

gaffig:
Subhanallah, if not for the oath, I would have asked if you are a Muslim, can you tell me where you can get what the prophet said and also tell me why the quran was sent to Rasulullah (peace be upon him) not to everybody to interpret? Please kindly fine more knowledge may Allah enrich you

Though I don't knw how matured u are, buh next time u are especially mentioning someone, try not use insulting language, okay. Are they (muslims) supposed to come "only" from your family?

lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

I like your courage to tell the truth. All other Muslims that said otherwise are hypocrites.
That's Islam new comers are welcomed but no one can leave it. Doesn't it look like a CULT?

When I tell my brothers that HADITH is not and will never be Islamic, they said I'm just being stupid and ignorant.

Now HADITH says kill for apostasy while Qur'an says compulsion in religion is prohibited.

I'm watching Muslims in 5d. I'm a Muslim o.

lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

ISIS member everywhere, May Almight Allah save us from wahabiyah and their beliefs.

AminuRano87:
I like your courage to tell the truth. All other Muslims that said otherwise are hypocrites.
That's Islam new comers are welcomed but no one can leave it. Doesn't it look like a CULT?

some people believes hadith over Quran. May Allah show you the right path.

Contact17:
There is only three instances where people should be killed
1) A person who murdered someone intentionally
2) An person who commits adultery
3) An apostate

liar..... Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except
in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who
killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married
person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a
man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted
Islam and became an apostate."

starprince91:
liar..... Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except
in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who
killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married
person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a
man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted
Islam and became an apostate."

errm isnt that what I just wrote except worded differently?

Modified- Check my previous post
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

lmao the brain is having partial contact

Contact17:
errm isnt that what I just wrote except worded differently?

pissreligiion:
lmao the brain is having partial contact

I usually don't reply but I've got no time for trolls

Contact17:
errm isnt that what I just wrote except worded differently?

Modified- Check my previous post
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

a
man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted
Islam and became an apostate." There is a condition there. Clearly the person must have been a mole and have been leaking infomation to the enemies, this person will be killed even in western military rule.

Contact17:
There is only three instances where people should be killed
1) A person who murdered someone intentionally
2) An person who commits adultery
3) An apostate

correct! !! gbam! If they like agree if you like don't, it's the law!! POC it's someone who is married that commit adultery. ..

starprince91:
a
man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted
Islam and became an apostate." There is a condition there. Clearly the person must have been a mole and have been leaking infomation to the enemies, this person will be killed even in western military rule.

Read the entire post
Thanks

gaffig:
Are you sure you are fit to answer the question? Your quotes are so off radar....abaa brother

So off radar? Put me back on brother

yahmohy27:
Lobatan,what else again ,i think that is best conclusion for this Debate brothers and Sisters ,you don't read Quran the way you read txt books,but read intensively,go for research and learn from one who is a good practicing muslims mallam what is not cleared to you not by blindly argumentation .Asallamualykum

wa alaykumus salaam... I just tire for all these internet Muslims

lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

stfu!! extremist

Teeminjin:
stfu!! extremist

, whats the extremism here?

lexiconkabir:
How does this contradict the hadith? BTW you don't believe in hadith? Or you just follow the ones that suits you? Hope you know hadith is also a revelation?

any hadith that's in contradiction with the qur'an is da'if(non-authentic).

Rilwayne001:
I still can't see the clear proof there. The Quran says one thing, and the hadith says the other, isn't it obvious that there is a problem somewhere?

Like she asked above, if your sister abandon the religion, would you kill her?

Thinngs like these makes me really sick

I tire for lexiconkabir.

Teeminjin:
stfu!! extremist

take it easy, sis.

starprince91:
some people believes hadith over Quran. May Allah show you the right path.

i've asked this question before, but no one answered. If there is no compulsion in religion, why should someone who commit apostasy be killed? They say shari'ah, they say hadith ; and none is superior to the quran and must be seen to be in consonance with the qur'an. Allah guide those he will, and those he has let off the right path cannot be brought back by any man.
Again, if you kill a soul, it is like you have killed entire humanity, and if you save a soul, it's like you have killed the entire humanity.
If you kill an 'apostate', what if he's going to return back to islam tomorrow?
Sometimes, the quraniyun are right.

Caseless:
any hadith that's in contradiction with the qur'an is da'if(non-authentic).

Wow! Here comes the muhadith that grades an hadith da'if, that's amazing!!

When will people start talking with knowledge?

lexiconkabir:
Wow! Here comes the muhadith that grades an hadith da'if, that's amazing!!

When will people start talking with knowledge?

prove to us how that hadith you quoted is in consonance with the verse of the quran u are given.

Caseless:
prove to us how that hadith you quoted is in consonance with the verse of the quran u are given.

Why should i? you've already graded it da'if!

lexiconkabir:
Why should i? you've already graded it da'if!

ok, have a wonderful day and, ramadan kareem!

Caseless:
ok, have a wonderful day and, ramadan kareem!

Wa iyak!

lexiconkabir:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lRB3snGxgns

^^ Thats Dr Abu Ameenah bilal Phillips, watch the video, and digest it, whatever his views are, is exactly what I'm trying to put up, dont watch in a hurry.

Dr bilal gives reason why they should be executed if you study his examples correctly. That is treasonous behaviour from them. But your stand is clear which is kill any murtad Muslim. It doesn't matter if he has harm the Muslims or not.
Here's Dr zakir naik's view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROVoBYAoKsE
Here's shabir Allyvs view too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GK2I6GMcc