OgundeleT:

gods that i know within Yoruba alone is up to 10 so the issue of 10 cant work.

Lolz you got me laughing here Bro. You mean sango, obatala etc? How many people are aware of your gods? I believe only the yoruba people. Even some modern day yorubas don't know about them. And in this modern day of civilization, the people that still worship or believe in them are referred to as Idol worshipers. So pls they do not have a place in this argument. We are talking about God here and not gods. Or Idol worshipers.

OgundeleT:

i dont know and u dont know as well, but if u know present the fact so that we can see

You disappointed me greatly here Bro and you failed to decode the message i was trying to pass with that hint. I know other smart guys reading that will easily decode it. Anyway let me help you out.

According to scientists, the age of the universe is put at 13.7 billion years. and we are just in 2016 i know you will want to debate this further like when civilization started, before men started counting etc but that is not where I am going

The fact is that the current calendar we are using and that is widely accepted is the Gregorian calender which is also called the Christian calendar. That is the message I encoded in that hint.

Some Atheists are not comfortable with this calendar because they feel it's incomplete as we cannot use it to go way back in time. And also because it's of Christian origin.

OgundeleT:

prove the points so that we can bury everything fo once

Alright i will quote you again and post it. I'm typing on phone and its not easy putting all this text together especially when it's very lengthy

winner01:
Welcome home!!! I praise God for your life my brother. Which church do you attend my brother, which part of Nigeria do you stay, we can discuss on email. God bless you.
Now I also pray and hope that Loj Blackjewelry Sirwere RobinHez FrancisTony donnffd Antiparticle Krystalzkris freecocoa OgundeleT TheDauraMallam, thehomer K9blunt ( f ), joywendy( f), herald9 , MarieSucre reallest PAGAN9JA krattoss hahn Queed, dabosuker Johnydon22 realtem sorextee Dekatron djdoxxx kolajamesjnr Liekiller SIRANDREWS , seun plaetton , menesheh wiegraf , finofaya Redlyn , Longstride, Rainess rinrin23 tangled Misogynist2014 Pr0ton , davien teempakguy dorox Joseph1013 cloudgoddess sweetcocoa dalaman hahn menehsheh frank317 plaetton ifeness realmindz lilbrown007 et al. will follow.

He advised you to come and preach and keep preaching. You're welcome to try to preach to me. Let's see if I change my mind.

I'm sorry for asking but can you kindly shed more light on your conversion sir?

Femmymata2:
Thank you and God bless you too

Dejideji1:


Humm., the latter part of your reply is quite revealing..

As for cloudgoddess, i pray she realizes the truth before it's too late for her. How deep has she gone? She doesn't even have a PhD yet in her area of study, and yet she is so bent on defending the evolution theory. As if it's flawless.

I asked her a question sometime ago, and she couldn't answer it, and she was like err... err... Scientists are still working on it. I recommended a book written by a fellow scientist that actually exposed the flaws in the evolution theory for her to read. But I doubt if she has done that.

I have read about many seasoned molecular biologists who do not agree with the theory. In fact molecular biologists Michael Denton calls the Darwinian belief regarding living things arising by chance "the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century"

People have been atheists before Darwin was born. How does the 'falsity' of evolution validate your belief?

thehomer:


He advised you to come and preach and keep preaching. You're welcome to try to preach to me. Let's see if I change my mind.

Your mind is too steeped in illogic and unreason. There's no hope of change for you ever.

4everGod1:


Dalaman aka Jesusman let me ask you this. Which is harder loving my brethren or loving you who holds a grudge against God?

I choose to love you as I would be no different from anyone else if I love only my brethren. Gods love is all encompassing and you are more than welcome to experience it.

Again I say I love you bro.

I've told you that christians talking about love is akin to muslims saying that Islam is the religion of peace or North Korea calling itself a democratic republic.

If there is any love to be found in the Christian community we would have seen it. You can not give what you don't have. All these your talk about love remains empty since it can not be shown to exist anywhere. Is there any manifestation of love on the church today? The answers is no, so what empty talk about love are you repeating? Love your selves first before you can talk of loving others.

dalaman:


I've told you that christians talking about love is akin to muslims saying that Islam is the religion of peace or North Korea calling itself a democratic republic.

If there is any love to be found in the Christian community we would have seen it. You can not give what you don't have. All these your talk about love remains empty since it can not be shown to exist anywhere. Is there any manifestation of love on the church today? The answers is no, so what empty talk about love are you repeating? Love your selves first before you can talk of loving others.

You see what you choose to see bro. There is manifestation of love in the church everyday and everywhere...from brethren assisting with house rent, school fees, hospital bills, bearing one anothers burden and so on....

Personally when my dad died at least 12 of my church members volunteered to follow me to my village from Lagos to assist with whatever I might need and they even paid their own way to and fro and ran errands till the burial was concluded. Imagine exposing themselves to the risk of the roads ....is that not love?

My son is currently on scholarship in a church members school because she said God instructed her to do that. Is that not love?

How many will I mention? Like I said you only see what you choose.

Again I say I love you bro

Ranchhoddas:
People have been atheists before Darwin was born. How does the 'falsity' of evolution validate your belief?

Bro why intrude in an ongoing conversation that you don't even know how it started or have an idea of what led to what?

Do you know the details of our personal encounter with her and what we have argued on before we arrived at evolution theory?

Bro your question is completely out of phase. Even the person we have been mentioning has not showed up to defend her self so what is your business in this matter?

Oh i guess because she is a lady, you want to defend her right? I don't know when guys will stop this attitude of defending a lady at all cost no matter what she does. (either right or wrong)

You got me me infuriated Bro, because i don't like people quoting me unnecessarily when they don't have anything reasonable to say. And I don't quote anybody anyhow either.

Well, to answer your question, Darwin's theory does not affect my belief in anyway.

Dejideji1:


Bro why intrude in an ongoing conversation that you don't even know how it started or have an idea of what led to what?

Do you know the details of our personal encounter with her and what we have argued on before we arrived at evolution theory?

Bro your question is completely out of phase. Even the person we have been mentioning has not showed up to defend her self so what is your business in this matter?

Oh i guess because she is a lady, you want to defend her right? I don't know when guys will stop this attitude of defending a lady at all cost no matter what she does. (either right or wrong)

You got me me infuriated Bro, because i don't like people quoting me unnecessarily when they don't have anything reasonable to say. And I don't quote anybody anyhow either.

Well, to answer your question, Darwin's theory does not affect my belief in anyway.

I apologize for thinking you had a little sense.

Teempakguy:
What's there to explain?

I said you aren't an Atheist. And I said you shouldn't ever become one. If you want to know why I said, you need to examine why you're STILL a theist.

This is my current hypothesis on your issue: Your values and principles are directly connected to your theism. you think that Atheists are inherently evil, in fact, you believe that YOU are still inherently evil and it's God that's giving you your morality. Should you become an Atheist, the lack of superstitious threat of eternal punishment will become apparent, and you will probably become disoriented from a lack of personal core values. you'll probably become a serial killer and you'll probably make some damning public statement like "Since God doesn't exist, then Nothing is bad, there is no morality, I can do whatever I want."

and winner01 will gleefully include your name in his yearly "Murderous tendencies of Atheists" and "Atheists get their morality from nowhere. Proof included" Threads.


But HEY, It's just an Hypothesis, still, it's better to be on the safer side. I may be right, I may be wrong, but what if I'm right?

food for thought, brah.

This piece right here reeks of ignorance! Ignorance of my being and character!....


But I shall not be concerned.... As always!

OgundeleT:

Waiting for your feedback on my last post so that I can continue.

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Ranchhoddas:

Bro why the insult? I know your question wasn't sincere that was why I answered you like that. Your question required a very simple answer.
But you wanted to defend her and i know that. If it was a guy i know you won't even interfere at all.

RobinHez:


This piece right here reeks of ignorance! Ignorance of my being and character!....

You've been saying this ever since I knew you. I'm used to it.

But I shall not be concerned.... As always!

Eyah, sorry. I know you think that you're responsible for your morality, but that's just a pointless argument. the entire premise of Christianity is that humans are incapable of being Good people on their own, and they need some sort of divine intervention to act like normal human beings.

Anyone with the mindset above is a danger to society as an Atheist. And you sir, Deny as much as you'd like, Are one of them.


Case Closed and Archived.

Teempakguy:
You've been saying this ever since I knew you. I'm used to it.

Eyah, sorry. I know you think that you're responsible for your morality, but that's just a pointless argument. the entire premise of Christianity is that humans are incapable of being Good people on their own, and they need some sort of divine intervention to act like normal human beings.

Anyone with the mindset above is a danger to society as an Atheist. And you sir, Deny as much as you'd like, Are one of them.


Case Closed and Archived.

Yea... Archived!

Now run along....

RobinHez:


Yea... Archived!

Now run along....

Most definitely.

There is only one possible outcome if we keep running to each other in this (ironically)darned section.

Dejideji1:


Bro why the insult? I know your question wasn't sincere that was why I answered you like that. Your question required a very simple answer.
But you wanted to defend her and i know that. If it was a guy i know you won't even interfere at all.

I am still not sure why you think I want to defend anyone. I asked you a simple question and you resorted to foolish accusations. Answer the question and stop grasping at straws.

Teempakguy:
Most definitely.

There is only one possible outcome if we keep running to each other in this (ironically)darned section.

The same outcome Christians and Atheists face after every discussion.... Sadly, I don't want to be part of that!

Although.. I pop in once in a while to speak up, but then we have so many wrong things going on in the name of 'Christianity' to deal with, y'all shouldn't be our problem yet.

Ranchhoddas:

Thought i have answered your question or you were so disturbed by the unpalatable words at the beginning of the post that you failed to notice the answer i gave at the end?
I said it doesn't affect my belief in anyway.

And pls enough of this insults, because if this issue should degenerate further, I will be forced to fire back and both of us will get a ban in the process.

Dejideji1:


Thought i have answered your question or you were so disturbed by the unpalatable words at the beginning that you failed to notice the answer i gave at the end?
I said it doesn't affect my belief in anyway.

Check very well. I did not say 'affect', I said 'validate'.

Dejideji1:


Lol, do you know where i reside? That is not feasible. I only suggested that because I believe it would be more effective. I really wish I could but there are numerous constraints.

But like I said, with time you will see more reason(s) to believe in God.

Aaawww bro i really wished we could do live discussion, we could document and put it up on youtube then post it on nairaland.

Reasons to believe?……… why believe when you can know…… for something as critical as God(s) to rely on such boat of uncertainty as belief betrays it's vagueness and lack of empirical substantiation.

Let us do away with the idea of Belief lets rather try to Know and derive certainty.

RobinHez:

The same outcome Christians and Atheists face after every discussion.... Sadly, I don't want to be part of that!

Although.. I pop in once in a while to speak up, but then we have so many wrong things going on in the name of 'Christianity' to deal with, y'all shouldn't be our problem yet.

Same here, Theist-Atheist Arguments bore me to no end.

Also . . . man, What people are you talking with? your parlance is so uncomfortably "gangster."

Ranchhoddas:
Check very well. I did not say 'affect', I said 'validate'.

That is left for you to decide, you are skeptical about the Bible's account and we as Christians and other religions are also skeptical about the theory. So how do we go about it? We start criticism and exposing flaws, so at the end of the day you decide where you stand.

The Darwinian theory is of the view that life originated by chance and That is still being debated. As long as the theory can not explain how the first life forms evolved and other mysteries that are only logical to attribute it to an intelligent mind at work then we as Christians and other religions will still be skeptical about it.

What we have discovered so far is that life begets life, even in cloning, a live cell is required. if life originated by chance as the theory claimed and if scientists claim to know all the building blocks of life, then why have they not been able to recreate it in the lab?

What about the issue of sex? How did male and female species evolve independently? This and many more questions points to the fact that everything was designed and there is an intelligent mind behind it.

Like i said, Check out the flaws in the theory and what critics say about it. and decide for yourself. There are lots of questions the theory can't answer. I will reserve the questions and use some of them in a topic very soon. I will mention you when i create the topic if you can answer it.

Ranchhoddas:
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*modified, pls refresh

Teempakguy:
Same here, Theist-Atheist Arguments bore me to no end.

Also . . . man, What people are you talking with? your parlance is so uncomfortably "gangster."

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I don't understand ur question...

4everGod1:



You see what you choose to see bro. There is manifestation of love in the church everyday and everywhere...from brethren assisting with house rent, school fees, hospital bills, bearing one anothers burden and so on....

Personally when my dad died at least 12 of my church members volunteered to follow me to my village from Lagos to assist with whatever I might need and they even paid their own way to and fro and ran errands till the burial was concluded. Imagine exposing themselves to the risk of the roads ....is that not love?

My son is currently on scholarship in a church members school because she said God instructed her to do that. Is that not love?

How many will I mention? Like I said you only see what you choose.

Again I say I love you bro

I say that there is no manifestation of love anywhere in the church today. If there is we will not be having this conversation. Non of what you have stated is not done by non Christians. Muslims for example help each other, sacrifice for each other, have different Islamic foundations that they use to alleviate the poverty of their societies etc. The whole picture is what we are looking at not a minute picture. Just take a look at the Nigerian church and tell me if these love you guys talk about endlessly exist anywhere. Sure there are a few acts of love that can be shown here and there but generally speaking how is the manifestation? The church as a whole in Nigeria is in a very sorry state. Christians can not give what they do not have. You can only talk about empty talk of love but the reality is very far from what you proclaim.

RobinHez:
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I don't understand ur question...

You and a nairalander called Kingcheesypuff(intentionally misspelled.) type with similar grammar. using words like

y'all pop in ain't yer dunno

I guess that's another thing you do that will annoy me for eternity. because I know you won't change.

dalaman:


I say that there is no manifestation of love anywhere in the church today. If there is we will not be having this conversation. Non of what you have stated is not done by non Christians. Muslims for example help each other, sacrifice for each other, have different Islamic foundations that they use to alleviate the poverty of their societies etc. The whole picture is what we are looking at not a minute picture. Just take a look at the Nigerian church and tell me if these love you guys talk about endlessly exist anywhere. Sure there are a few acts of love that can be shown here and there but generally speaking how is the manifestation? The church as a whole in Nigeria is in a very sorry state. Christians can not give what they do not have. You can only talk about empty talk of love but the reality is very far from what you proclaim.

If what you say is true why not be the catalyst for that change. All you have said does not negate the fact thar God is love and wishes to touch you with His love.

God loves you bro and so do I

Dejideji1:


Lolz you got me laughing here Bro. You mean sango, obatala etc? How many people are aware of your gods? I believe only the yoruba people. Even some modern day yorubas don't know about them. And in this modern day of civilization, the people that still worship or believe in them are referred to as Idol worshipers. So pls they do not have a place in this argument. We are talking about God here and not gods. Or Idol worshipers.

all of them are gods, whatever u idolise is ur god or God. whichever they are all the same.

Dejideji1:

You disappointed me greatly here Bro and you failed to decode the message i was trying to pass with that hint. I know other smart guys reading that will easily decode it. Anyway let me help you out.

According to scientists, the age of the universe is put at 13.7 billion years. and we are just in 2016 i know you will want to debate this further like when civilization started, before men started counting etc but that is not where I am going

are u taking me to science or religion? please clarify that so that we wont mix things up

Dejideji1:

The fact is that the current calendar we are using and that is widely accepted is the Gregorian calendar which is also called the Christian calendar. That is the message I encoded in that hint.

NO. gregorian calendar is different from xtian calendar Gregorian is for scientist

Dejideji1:

Some Atheists are not comfortable with this calendar because they feel it's incomplete as we cannot use it to go way back in time. And also because it's of Christian origin.

u are mixing things up. atheist is not a religion group. so it may be some scientist. calendar or no calendar has nothing to do with atheism

Dejideji1:

Alright i will quote you again and post it. I'm typing on phone and its not easy putting all this text together especially when it's very lengthy

sorry bro don't waste ur time by mixing things up here civilisation never started with xtian even some philosopher was charged for heresy just because their claim contradict bible, example is Galileo, in fact church and xtian are against civilisation. west is different from xtian get that right

Ranchhoddas:
Check very well. I did not say 'affect', I said 'validate'.

*modified, pls check my reply again, i

winner01:
Welcome home!!! I praise God for your life my brother. Which church do you attend my brother, which part of Nigeria do you stay, we can discuss on email. God bless you.
Now I also pray and hope that Loj Blackjewelry Sirwere RobinHez FrancisTony donnffd Antiparticle Krystalzkris freecocoa OgundeleT TheDauraMallam, thehomer K9blunt ( f ), joywendy( f), herald9 , MarieSucre reallest PAGAN9JA krattoss hahn Queed, dabosuker Johnydon22 realtem sorextee Dekatron djdoxxx kolajamesjnr Liekiller SIRANDREWS , seun plaetton , menesheh wiegraf , finofaya Redlyn , Longstride, Rainess rinrin23 tangled Misogynist2014 Pr0ton , davien teempakguy dorox Joseph1013 cloudgoddess sweetcocoa dalaman hahn menehsheh frank317 plaetton ifeness realmindz lilbrown007 et al. will follow.

Guy, are you high on Oshogbo weed or are you just an attention seeker?

First of all, I'm not an atheist, I have made this clear, it's seems you just feel like tagging anyone to your list to satisfy yourself that you are indeed doing something sensible

Secondly, What exactly is wrong with being an atheist cause I don't get the crazy obsession you got with them. People convert to different beliefs everyday, Muslim to Christian, vice versa, etc it's based on their personal conviction. So who are you to then impose people or try to make others convert to your own belief?

Finally, this is very childish. Get off your high horse and look for something to do instead of seeking for cheap attention. Please let this be the last time you tag me in your posts. Thanks in advance!

johnydon22:


Aaawww bro i really wished we could do live discussion, we could document and put it up on youtube then post it on nairaland.

Lol, you want a show like that of the popular Richard Dawkins vs Cardinal George Pell debate?

johnydon22:


Reasons to believe?……… why believe when you can know…… for something as critical as God(s) to rely on such boat of uncertainty as belief betrays it's vagueness and lack of empirical substantiation.

Let us do away with the idea of Belief lets rather try to Know and derive certainty.

Bro what proof do you want,? Do you want to see God physically before you believe him? That's impossible, the only account we heard of in history was the case of Moses and he was not even allowed to see the face of God, for God said he would die if he sees his face (Exodus 33:20).

How can you even imagine seeing a being that is so powerful that created you and the Universe, it's unimaginable. U know how complex you are as a human being and also the unfathomable size of the universe that should give you an idea of the being we are talking about here.
You can't see him in flesh and survive.

We can only acknowledge his existence through his works. Just like if you see a painting, we accept it as evidence that a painter exists also when we see a house we accept that a builder exists. All those things were made with a purpose by those who made them and why we may not understand everything about the people who designed them, we do not doubt that the people exist.