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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BasedOnB: 6:57pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
temizeee: Flooding the thread? I quoted the two monikers because i recognised them from other solar threads and i thought they could help with the needed clarification(s). You are niether the op nor the moderator, so what exactly is your 'issue'? I wouldn't have bothered responding, but i find the tone of your response a little condescending. You didn't really say anything meaningful in my opinion. Upgrade to what exactly? 5,000W panel? Saying a 50W panel is 'peanut' isn't enough, some real, practical advice would have gone a long way in making sure i do not 'flood the thread' again. Oh and i know solar panels are not 100% efficient as there are bound to be losses. It isn't just because the panel is rated 50W. 2 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by temizeee(m): 7:52pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
@BasedOnB If you want to know how many solar panels u need then i suggest you goto page one i adviced you to before tho. The thread is basically diy stuff, you should be able to calculate the wattage of yr ba3, load, intended hours of running on inverter yr self... A 50 watt sp is too small to charge higher capacity ba3 it can barely put out 2.5amp(max power under full sunlight) on a 150amp battery...it will take too long to charge U said the seller advice you to get a charge controller of course you need it, that is part of what i see n i advice you to start reading the thread from page one.....my previous comment was just an overview of the issues you have. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bravoalpha(m): 8:48pm On Jul 12, 2016 |
Hello house, am in need of an inverter system and was informed that voltron is a safe bet for me and it's reliable as against other brands. How much does the voltron 2000w and 3000w cost and what brand of battery is best with the system. Going through the pages I see that the hybrid inverters also seems to be okay. Now am confused as to which one to get. If I understand correctly, while getting the hybrid, I'll also have to the get the solar panels alongside too. So is it cheaper or economical to go with the hybrid or it doesn't really make much of a difference. What's the estimate cost setup if I choose to go with the 2000w or 3000w voltorn inverter including batteries and setup as against the hybrid inverters. Please house, I humbly request |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 6:45am On Jul 13, 2016 |
There are many factors that can affect this setup. 1. A 50w panel can produce 4A when its at its peak power. 4A will take 150/4 =25hrs to fully charge. Now consider you have about 7 hrs of sunlight and due to the variable angle of sunlight you get maximum of 60% averagely from the panel which is 2.4A. With this fact, it will take about 2.4Ax7hrs/day x 9days =150AH of steady sunlight charging for d battery to full. 2. It also depends on how you position the panel to get max sunlight. 3. You need a charge controller to regulate the charging and also give you visibility of what's going on, In summary, you need to change your battery and get about 200w*2 solar panel and an mppt charge controller to effectively charge ur battery as even a new battery degrades within a short time if consistently undercharge. Since where you stay now has poor mains supply, u need effective solar charging.....cutting corners will be a waste of money. BasedOnB: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Suko92(m): 7:02am On Jul 13, 2016 |
JUO:. Sorry for the late reply. Am using luminous battery 12v Smf Battery |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bravoalpha(m): 10:38am On Jul 13, 2016 |
bravoalpha: Please all the gurus in the house, I urgently await your response |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Gennextech: 11:36am On Jul 13, 2016 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 4:13pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
BasedOnB:Brother Based on your comment. Here is what I think. Your battery seems to have reached . EOL ( end of life). It would be hard to say for sure because you supplied very little details on the type of battery it is. (Networking battery is not a type of battery) might want to supply he picture of the batt to help house Jedi Masters. Can it be revived. Maybe but don't put your hopes on it. How long have u been using he batteries? How would you describe your regular usage patterns.. like how many hours does it run and how much load do u put on it during the run time. My preliminary guess is that the batteries died due to being under charged and over discharged. I use the sukam falcon plus. And as much as I love that inverter. I have noticed that it is often times unable to fully charge a battery. In my case.. my charge controller continues to charge my battery even when my inverter has stopped charging. The reason for this is probably because the charging algorithms on the sukam is set on a very conservative side to prevent over charging. Secondly you probably use this batteries till the inverter start singing low voltage. Nothing kills a deep cycle battery faster. They aren't meant to be 100% discharged. It shorting their life faster than ebola in a human body. What can be done. Get a new battery but before u do. Have a hand on your consumption pattern. A well designed consumption pattern should be built around using 50% of your battery capacity and ensuring it is replaced fully before you use them again.. which leads us to power generarion. Bros. That 50w panel is no where near what you need to charge your batteries. You would need at least 300w panels and preferably an mppt charge controller rated at 20ahs Let's do some maths. So u have 300w panels.. let us take out the usual 77% loses to heat and charge controller efficiencies. 300*0.77 = 231. So your 300w panel should give u around 230w daily divide that by your battery voltage 230 ÷ 12 =19.2 That's the average you would get from the panels with an mppt controller. 5 hours of sun is more than enough to charge your batteries to full from a 50% depth of discharge. You might want to get a 200ah battery in future. Luminous agm are some of the best in the market. There hope that answers some questions. There are still so many things you need know. You might want to Google more and read back at the older discussions. Lots of value tressures back there. My self too am a learner so you can always Google to see if what I say makes sense. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 4:25pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
Performed my first major upgrades to my system today. The result was fantastic. I have before now 2 240w panels connected in series. The cloudy weather of Kate meant my panels where always struggling to put my battery in float before I get back from work. Something that usually don't happen before. Anyways. Decided to add 1 more panel.. a 220w panel to make a string of 3 in series. This meant I had to change my cc from the 3210A tracer series to the 3215RN series. The former is unable to handle more than 100VOC of panel string which meant no to the big connection. Lucky the former controller was a gift so I took it out and after all said and done. The result was outstanding. I got about 651w from the panels when I ran a load test. About 24AH and this was on a cloudy day in Abuja. I was able to power 90% of house appliances including fridge and freezer without the batteries going out of float. I sharply bonded the second PV mount o my central grounding rod. And left the freezer to stay on. Walahi PPP life sweet 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by shithapuns: 4:46pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
@bigrover, if i get u right, u got 651w from a 660w panel connection? was it instantenous/momentary....or it was steady for a few minutes?...n on a cloudy day again? thats super fantastic, my 1kw panel setup normally outputs abt 700w to 760w even on the most sunny of days...though south east states. whts the make of ur cc? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 5:51pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
shithapuns:It was not sustained. The average rate as 550w.. but as u know that cloudy days can be very flaky so sometimes drops to 450w. The cc is epsolar. For my relatively small panel size, I made sure to optimize how they are mounted. Ground mount ensures less heat. The panels face true south (not magnetic south) and are tilt to 81 degrees from vertical. I used 10mm wires for all the 20 meters between panel and cc reducing my losses to less than .5% (am sending in over 90v) so I did make try to make the best of what I had. 3 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 8:11pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
Btw this little tool is great for keeping an eye on battery voltage, discharge rate and total cumulate every used by the inverter. It also helped me know the idle load of the inverter. It comes with a current shunt and a diagram on how to connect.. it's really helps me monitor and keep track of my load and discharge. 1 Like
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JohnKester: 8:53pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
bigrovar: What is the name of the tool? And capacity? Can the capacity handle 48V 740AH setup? I am currently using a trimetric 2030 and is pretty good. I need to make comparison to determine which I would prefer. Cheers. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 9:48pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
I actually got the tool because I could not afford the trimetric 2030. Got this for less than 20 dollars off Aliexpress. Doesn't do the same job as Trimetric though. I use it mainly to keep a tap on my discharge rate, battery voltage and total power consumed in a circle. It is a generic product without a real name. Just search for peacefair. It can handle 100v and 100A |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Austinekg: 10:43pm On Jul 13, 2016 |
Please what will it cost me to get a solar and inverter set that can comfortably power the following appliances; 1 TV 3 18W bulb 1 decoder 1 DVD 1 Fan Thanks in anticipation of positive responses. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Monlo(m): 7:23am On Jul 14, 2016 |
bigrovar: @bigrovar,There are two versions there,AC and DC versions,which one do i go for.Thanks |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 9:35am On Jul 14, 2016 |
bigrovar: THIS IS THE TOOL HEREM THERE IS AC AND DC VERSION, I THINK DC VERSION SHOULD B IST CHOICE https://www.amazon.com/XINY-Multimeter-6-5-100V-Backlight-Measuring/dp/B01ET1PFLO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1468485259&sr=8-6&keywords=DC+AMP+METER+DISPLAY |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 10:41am On Jul 14, 2016 |
earthrealm: Right on the money. The DC version is what you need if you are interested in keeping taps how your battery is being discharged and battery voltage etc. You places is upstream of your inverter. Between it and the battery. It comes with a current shunt and a connection diagram. The AC is for monitoring AC part of your setup. If you want to monitor load going into your inverter. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JohnKester: 11:21am On Jul 14, 2016 |
bigrovar: Many thanks for the response. Cheers. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BasedOnB: 12:42pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
DMerciful: Thanks for the response bro. I think i may have inadvertently destroyed my battery. It's a pity i have to learn the hard way. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BasedOnB: 2:06pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
bigrovar: Thanks for the comprehensive response bro, you have been very helpful. I believe i may have inadvertently killed my battery as you suggested. I confirmed that the battery is indeed dead by trying to charge it with a generator this morning; it didn't charge for more than 30 seconds before the inverter indicated that the battery was full. I am aware of the implication of over discharging the battery, so i was always wary of discharging the battery 100% except in a few unavoidable situations. I have used the battery for close to 3 years, and even though it gradually depreciated with time, i still got a minimum of 4 hours run time from it on a 60W load (tv and decoder). The inverter isn't connected to the whole house, i basically just plug an extension box to it and use it to power my led tv, decoder, and phone. Thanks for the response once again. I have learnt a lot from this thread since i started reading from the first page, albeit the hard way. It is a pity my first experience with solar has been a disaster. Oh, and my battery is a 150Ah Fiamm deep cycle battery. Is there any possibility of reviving it?
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JohnKester: 3:05pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
BasedOnB: If it is flooded battery, sealed or non-sealed, you can try equalising it and that may revive it even if not completely, at least its performance would improve. That is, assuming your inverter has equalising function and if it does, then you can set it to equalise and use generator to do the equalisation. Cheers. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by shithapuns: 3:25pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
@basedonB, ur batt looks like a gel/telecomm batt from the picture................if yes...then am sure its 99% dead,based on present earth technology as the high voltage has dried the conducting gel membrane btw the plates ......if its a deep cycle , u may consider opening up the 6 individual cells, and adding 2 to 3 10ml syringes of distilled water/ac water, and try charging the batt again, if flooded, u may consider replacing the electrolyte.....50/50 chance of success. never connect ur battery direct to solar panel, as a solar panel rated as 12v..may generate up to 20v on sunny days, n this wud kill any 12v within days 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Papishi(m): 3:56pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
GeorgeD1: Please Mr. George, I don't really get this 6v, 12v, 24v and 48v of a thing. What am used to is the normal one battery which i use with my inverter and I know that one is 12v. I have tried google but all am seeing are just some products being advertised. Can you please enlighten me on the usefulness of these different voltages and their advantages also. NB: am also seeing some solar panels tagged 24v too, can those ones be used normally even though they are sam watts? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Papishi(m): 3:57pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
GeorgeD1: Please Mr. George, I don't really get this 6v, 12v, 24v and 48v of a thing. What am used to is the normal one battery which i use with my inverter and I know that one is 12v. I have tried google but all am seeing are just some products being advertised. Can you please enlighten me on the usefulness of these different voltages and their advantages also. NB: am also seeing some solar panels tagged 24v too, can those ones be used normally even though they are same watts? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 4:06pm On Jul 14, 2016 |
shithapuns: They are actually AGM batteries, at least from this link http://www.blueboxbatteries.co.uk/dyn/filemanager/fiamm-fit-battery-range.pdf though prognosis remains the same. those batteries are have reached EOL. A shame because they seem to be decent batteries although I doubt they are meant to be deeply discharged. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeestone99(m): 12:19am On Jul 15, 2016 |
Austinekg: mail us on info@monzpowersolutions.com |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by chris81964(m): 3:45pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
durodee: Where did you buy your thin film. How are they doing in the rainy season? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 8:08pm On Jul 16, 2016 |
Btw have an extra Epsolar Tracer 3210A MPPT charge controller in case anyone is interested new and with 1 year warranty 35k
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by durodee(m): 8:05am On Jul 17, 2016 |
chris81964:I got it off/ through a friend as left over from a project. Contacted him recently for a friend on this forum. He claimed the panels he has now are not from the same manufacturer but a German company. Efficiency said to be better. Panels 140w @ 70 -75v range. He was not with the exact specifications where he was.Price is high 49k @ 350/watt. He claimed dollar wahala. My system was thunderstruck a few weeks back and my EP solar 60amps MPPT cc was damaged . My measurements prior to the incident was encouraging. I generated 1.1kw by 10.31am despite the day being a bit cloudy. I am presently using an hybrid system which only calculates instantaneous yield and not total harvest. The performance seems OK but I don't have actual figures.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by badaru1(m): 10:18am On Jul 17, 2016 |
durodee: I have been using this charger for over 5 years without incident. I don't want to believe this charger is not smart, remember it was removed from telecom rectifier. If it's not smart MTN, GLO and other telecom companies that use rectifier are at risk of battery damage. In fact, I use this charger to revive any of my battery that is performing below expectations. People should not comment without facts |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by temizeee(m): 10:34am On Jul 17, 2016 |
durodee:long time sir, Sorry for the loss we got the controller the same time back then.... Hw are you connecting the setup now since the cc is now redundant |
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