Salaam alaykum.
The ulamas in the house should please assist to shed light on the topic.

This has generated heated debates between me and my friends. They are stressing that it's just a once-in-a- thing.

What's Islam's view on this?

Quran or Authentic Hadith, if none of these is in support then ask them where they get the idea from. [Quran 33:21]"There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often".May Allah SWT forgive us our misdeeds and give us the strength to do things in the prescribed way that pleases nobody but our maker. Ameen

ismail0007:
Salaam alaykum.
The ulamas in the house should please assist to shed light on the topic.

This has generated heated debates between me and my friends. They are stressing that it's just a once-in-a- thing.

What's Islam's view on this?

Quran or Authentic Hadith, if none of these is in support then ask them where they get the idea from. [Quran 33:21]"There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often".May Allah SWT forgive us our misdeeds and give us the strength to do things in the prescribed way that pleases nobody but our maker. Ameen

Assalam alaikum,

If you mean dancing while listening to music then that is wrong without doubt. Music is prohibited in Islam. Dancing together in a mixed gathering where women are uncovered and beautified (which happens at most weddings) is also wrong as well.

There follows a list of haraam things which both men and women should avoid in the wedding party:

1- Mixing of men with women, and things that are involved in that, such as greeting and shaking hands with one another, and men and women dancing together, because all of that is haraam and is a very serious matter.

2- Taking pictures, whether men do that amongst themselves or women do that amongst themselves.

I should also add that taking pictures refer to ones that would be printed which has been prohibited as mentioned by the Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him).

'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it." (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa'i).

3- Drinking alcohol or eating pork.

4- Letting the husband come in to where the women are in order to take his wife.

5- Women wearing revealing, tight or short clothes amongst themselves, because this is haraam – so how about wearing such things in front of men?

6- People should avoid spending extravagantly or going to extremes in showing off in wedding parties, because that may wipe out the blessing.

7- The husband and wife exchanging rings and thus imitating the kuffaar, thinking that this will increase the husband’s love for his wife and vice versa.

Finally, both partners should know that the more the teachings of Islam are followed in the wedding party, the more blessed their marriage will be, the more love and harmony there will be between them, and the less problems they will encounter in their married life. For if the married life is based from the outset on haraam things which go against the commands of Allaah, how can they expect the marriage to be successful after that? There have been many marriages in which there were things that went against the commands of Allaah, and they did not last. Fear Allaah with regard to this party and keep it free of things that are forbidden in Islam. May Allaah bless you both. We ask Allaah to give you and your husband strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

And Allaah knows best.

www.islamqa.info/en

Walimatul Nikah isnt something that should attract dancing jare, the only thing done in the walimah is eating, eating and eating, if you have money, you call us the next day, we will still come to eat more, and also YOU CAN INVITE BOTH MALES AND FEMALES, WHAT SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IS, THERE SHOULDNT BE MIXING BETWEEN THE MALES AND FEMALES IN THAT GATHERING.

lexiconkabir:
Walimatul Nikah isnt something that should attract dancing jare, the only thing done in the walimah is eating, eating and eating, if you have money, you call us the next day, we will still come to eat more, and also the people invited should be males only, this is done after youve copulated with your wife, what is practiced in Nigeria ehn, only Allaah will save us.

only males should be invited to nikkah?

speciallymade:
only males should be invited to nikkah?

Yep, want proofs?

lexiconkabir:

Yep, want proofs?

no.. Keep it to yourself

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lexiconkabir:
^^ Although the brother does not want proof, this wont stop me from providing my proof for those who will need it.

Narrated by Anas bin Malik: "The Prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) consummated his marriage with a woman (Zainab), [size=18pt]so he sent me to invite men to the meals[/size]." {Bukhari 5170}

you mean women shouldnt be invited for walimat nikkah. is it not permitted for the women to attend the walimat and stay in a separate area from men?

You are still arguing over Islam.
My brother many Heads have gone out of their necks due to dis arguement.
Find something and do with yourself, rather than arguing over Islam.
Thank you. For the sake of your Head.

thnks alot

lexiconkabir:
^^ Although the brother does not want proof, this wont stop me from providing my proof for those who will need it.

Narrated by Anas bin Malik: "The Prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) consummated his marriage with a woman (Zainab), [size=18pt]so he sent me to invite men to the meals[/size]." {Bukhari 5170}

so because the Prophet (SAW) asked him to invite the men, you have developed your own Fatwa? You have not given thought to the context, that perhaps it is the women who ought to invite the women and the men vice versa? You have not even gone into the details of the context of this speech of the Prophet in order to prove your Fatwa. I think we all should thread carefully before spitting put Haram or Halal. what's wrong and what's not...

Alhamdulillah, Islam is beautiful religion,[/color] the only religion with rules for every act of worship[color=#000099]. None like it.

Contact17:
Assalam alaikum,

If you mean dancing while listening to music then that is wrong without doubt. Music is prohibited in Islam. Dancing together in a mixed gathering where women are uncovered and beautified (which happens at most weddings) is also wrong as well.

There follows a list of haraam things which both men and women should avoid in the wedding party:

1- Mixing of men with women, and things that are involved in that, such as greeting and shaking hands with one another, and men and women dancing together, because all of that is haraam and is a very serious matter.

2- Taking pictures, whether men do that amongst themselves or women do that amongst themselves.

I should also add that taking pictures refer to ones that would be printed which has been prohibited as mentioned by the Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him).

'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it." (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa'i).

3- Drinking alcohol or eating pork.

4- Letting the husband come in to where the women are in order to take his wife.

5- Women wearing revealing, tight or short clothes amongst themselves, because this is haraam – so how about wearing such things in front of men?

6- People should avoid spending extravagantly or going to extremes in showing off in wedding parties, because that may wipe out the blessing.

7- The husband and wife exchanging rings and thus imitating the kuffaar, thinking that this will increase the husband’s love for his wife and vice versa.

Finally, both partners should know that the more the teachings of Islam are followed in the wedding party, the more blessed their marriage will be, the more love and harmony there will be between them, and the less problems they will encounter in their married life. For if the married life is based from the outset on haraam things which go against the commands of Allaah, how can they expect the marriage to be successful after that? There have been many marriages in which there were things that went against the commands of Allaah, and they did not last. Fear Allaah with regard to this party and keep it free of things that are forbidden in Islam. May Allaah bless you both. We ask Allaah to give you and your husband strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

And Allaah knows best.

www.islamqa.info/en

No wonder you are following lexiconkabir only as your ungrounded ideology is mutual.

MECCA/HAJJ is haram too then. Since its a gathering where both genders mix.

These are the real enermies of islam.

cham007:




No wonder you are following lexiconkabir only as your ungrounded ideology is mutual.

MECCA/HAJJ is haram too then. Since its a gathering where both genders mix.

These are the real enermies of islam.

What point are you trying to make? Are you disputing the fact that free mixing is prohibited in Islam or what?

cham007:




No wonder you are following lexiconkabir only as your ungrounded ideology is mutual.

MECCA/HAJJ is haram too then. Since its a gathering where both genders mix.

These are the real enermies of islam.

simpl and short is don't put question mark where Allah put full stop and dnt invent what sunna did not teach and his shaba never practice.
Meaning if Allah allowed women to do hajj together with men so be it and if He prohibit men and women to mix together in another place like Masjif and schools so be it
and no body can change or question Allah
Jazahk Allahu hyra
Allah know best!!!

Sman37:

simpl and short is don't put question mark where Allah put full stop and dnt invent what sunna did not teach and his shaba never practice.
Meaning if Allah allowed women to do hajj together with men so be it and if He prohibit men and women to mix together in another place like Masjif and schools so be it
and no body can change or question Allah
Jazahk Allahu hyra
Allah know best!!!

Dear brother/sister (I haven't checked your profile)

Would you not agree with me that Islam is a religion that encourages modesty and enjoining that which is upright and good, whilst, discouraging and prohibiting that which is evil? So much so that even in the Qur'an Allah does not only forbid fornication but also forbids that which leads to it. Will you not agree with me then that the mixing of men and women, most cases where the women are beautified is a source which leads to evil? Where there not a hadith that where the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) mentioned that the greatest fitnah/trial for men is women?

There is no evidence or whatsoever where Islam encourages the free mixing of men and women, where men are allowed to see women uncovered and beautified as it happens during wedding or any other party. Where as, there are many evidences for the prohibition of the free mixing of men and women. I will honestly try try to shorten it in the best possible way

1) Let me start with the Qur'an - Verse No. 53 of Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates (Interpretation of the meaning); "...for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs..."

In explaining this Verse, Ibn Kathir (May Allaah have mercy on him) said: "Meaning, as I forbade you to enter their rooms, I forbid you to look at them at all. If one wants to take something from them, one should do so without looking at them. If one wants to ask a woman for something, the same has to be done from behind a screen..

2) We are all aware for the prohibition of mixing amongst men and women even in the mosque! So much so that the men and women are suppose to have different entrance to the mosque, women are suppose to pray behind the men and women aren't suppose to wear perfumes to the mosques.

Umm Salamah (May Allah be pleased with her) said that after Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said "as-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullah’ twice announcing the end of prayer, women would stand up and leave. He would stay for a while before leaving. Ibn Shihab said that he thought that the staying of the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was in order for the women to be able to leave before the men who wanted to depart." Narrated by al-Bukhari under No. 793.

Abu Dawood under No. 876 narrates the same hadith in Kitab al-Salaat under the title "Insiraaf an-Nisaa’ Qabl al-Rijaal min al-Salaah" (Departure of Women before Men after the Prayer). Ibn ‘Umar said that Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: "We should leave this door (of the mosque) for women." Naafi’ said: "Ibn ‘Umar never again entered through that door until he died." Narrated by Abu Dawood under No. 484 in "Kitab as-Salah" under the Chapter entitled: "at-Tashdid fi Thalik".

If this is only for the mosque where the sole purpose is worship, doesn't that mean that it should be even more enforced in other places?

Lastly, the mixing that happens during hajj and ummrah is wrong. What is better is for women to avoid mixing with the men because that is better.
"It was narrated that ‘Ata’ said: The wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) circumambulated the Ka’bah with the men. It was said to him: “How come they are mixed with the men?’ He said: “They did not mix with the men. ‘Aa’ishah used to do tawaaf far away from the men, not mixing with them.” A woman said: “O Mother of the Believers, let us go and touch the Black Stone!” She said: “Go yourself,” and she refused to go.

And Allah knows best
jazakallahu khairan
jummah mubarak brother/sister

Contact17:
Assalam alaikum,

If you mean dancing while listening to music then that is wrong without doubt. Music is prohibited in Islam. Dancing together in a mixed gathering where women are uncovered and beautified (which happens at most weddings) is also wrong as well.

There follows a list of haraam things which both men and women should avoid in the wedding party:

1- Mixing of men with women, and things that are involved in that, such as greeting and shaking hands with one another, and men and women dancing together, because all of that is haraam and is a very serious matter.

2- Taking pictures, whether men do that amongst themselves or women do that amongst themselves.

I should also add that taking pictures refer to ones that would be printed which has been prohibited as mentioned by the Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him).

'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it." (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa'i).

3- Drinking alcohol or eating pork.

4- Letting the husband come in to where the women are in order to take his wife.

5- Women wearing revealing, tight or short clothes amongst themselves, because this is haraam – so how about wearing such things in front of men?

6- People should avoid spending extravagantly or going to extremes in showing off in wedding parties, because that may wipe out the blessing.

7- The husband and wife exchanging rings and thus imitating the kuffaar, thinking that this will increase the husband’s love for his wife and vice versa.

Finally, both partners should know that the more the teachings of Islam are followed in the wedding party, the more blessed their marriage will be, the more love and harmony there will be between them, and the less problems they will encounter in their married life. For if the married life is based from the outset on haraam things which go against the commands of Allaah, how can they expect the marriage to be successful after that? There have been many marriages in which there were things that went against the commands of Allaah, and they did not last. Fear Allaah with regard to this party and keep it free of things that are forbidden in Islam. May Allaah bless you both. We ask Allaah to give you and your husband strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

And Allaah knows best.

www.islamqa.info/en

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!......let's be mindful of what ever we have to say in public, wee must do our research very well before saying somethings in public and clear your point. About mixing the first thing that came to my mind was hajj, u see u ve to make some clarifications wen explaining things in order not to mislead many..... meanwhile everything is not haraam, not everything! hmmmmmmmmmmmmn!........@op it's not permitted if u want to dance as a couple go dance in your home.........May Allah swt forgive us all because he knows best may he lead and guide us to the straight path.....ameen

atm4real1:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!!!......let's be mindful of what ever we have to say in public, wee must do our research very well before saying somethings in public and clear your point. About mixing the first thing that came to my mind was hajj, u see u ve to make some clarifications wen explaining things in order not to mislead many..... meanwhile everything is not haraam, not everything! hmmmmmmmmmmmmn!........@op it's not permitted if u want to dance as a couple go dance in your home.........May Allah swt forgive us all because he knows best may he lead and guide us to the straight path.....ameen

I already replied but I will repost my reply

Dear brother/sister (I haven't checked your profile)

Would you not agree with me that Islam is a religion that encourages modesty and enjoining that which is upright and good, whilst, discouraging and prohibiting that which is evil? So much so that even in the Qur'an Allah does not only forbid fornication but also forbids that which leads to it. Will you not agree with me then that the mixing of men and women, most cases where the women are beautified is a source which leads to evil? Where there not a hadith that where the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) mentioned that the greatest fitnah/trial for men is women?

There is no evidence or whatsoever where Islam encourages the free mixing of men and women, where men are allowed to see women uncovered and beautified as it happens during wedding or any other party. Where as, there are many evidences for the prohibition of the free mixing of men and women. I will honestly try try to shorten it in the best possible way

1) Let me start with the Qur'an - Verse No. 53 of Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates (Interpretation of the meaning); "...for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs..."

In explaining this Verse, Ibn Kathir (May Allaah have mercy on him) said: "Meaning, as I forbade you to enter their rooms, I forbid you to look at them at all. If one wants to take something from them, one should do so without looking at them. If one wants to ask a woman for something, the same has to be done from behind a screen..

2) We are all aware for the prohibition of mixing amongst men and women even in the mosque! So much so that the men and women are suppose to have different entrance to the mosque, women are suppose to pray behind the men and women aren't suppose to wear perfumes to the mosques.

Umm Salamah (May Allah be pleased with her) said that after Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said "as-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullah’ twice announcing the end of prayer, women would stand up and leave. He would stay for a while before leaving. Ibn Shihab said that he thought that the staying of the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was in order for the women to be able to leave before the men who wanted to depart." Narrated by al-Bukhari under No. 793.

Abu Dawood under No. 876 narrates the same hadith in Kitab al-Salaat under the title "Insiraaf an-Nisaa’ Qabl al-Rijaal min al-Salaah" (Departure of Women before Men after the Prayer). Ibn ‘Umar said that Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: "We should leave this door (of the mosque) for women." Naafi’ said: "Ibn ‘Umar never again entered through that door until he died." Narrated by Abu Dawood under No. 484 in "Kitab as-Salah" under the Chapter entitled: "at-Tashdid fi Thalik".

If this is only for the mosque where the sole purpose is worship, doesn't that mean that it should be even more enforced in other places?

Lastly, the mixing that happens during hajj and ummrah is wrong. What is better is for women to avoid mixing with the men because that is better.
"It was narrated that ‘Ata’ said: The wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) circumambulated the Ka’bah with the men. It was said to him: “How come they are mixed with the men?’ He said: “They did not mix with the men. ‘Aa’ishah used to do tawaaf far away from the men, not mixing with them.” A woman said: “O Mother of the Believers, let us go and touch the Black Stone!” She said: “Go yourself,” and she refused to go.

And Allah knows best
jazakallahu khairan
jummah mubarak brother/sister

Sman37:

simpl and short is don't put question mark where Allah put full stop and dnt invent what sunna did not teach and his shaba never practice.
Meaning if Allah allowed women to do hajj together with men so be it and if He prohibit men and women to mix together in another place like Masjif and schools so be it
and no body can change or question Allah
Jazahk Allahu hyra
Allah know best!!!

let's never question d command of Allah even though we might feel incapable of carrying out d order.may Allah forgv our short comings

Allahu Akbar. Islam is the total way of life.

.

.

cham007:




No wonder you are following lexiconkabir only as your ungrounded ideology is mutual.

MECCA/HAJJ is haram too then. Since its a gathering where both genders mix.

These are the real enermies of islam.

Make taubah ya akh for you just accused us of being enemies of islam out of emotions and not knowledge! Its an advice tho!

Salam.

lexiconkabir:


Make taubah ya akh for you just accused us of being enemies of islam out of emotions and not knowledge! Its an advice tho!

Salam.

all the hadiths you quoted didnt specify where Prophet Muhammad (SAW) barred women from attending walimat nikkah. is it also prohibited for women to stay in a separate place during the walimat?

Slitz:
so because the Prophet (SAW) asked him to invite the men, you have developed your own Fatwa? You have not given thought to the context, that perhaps it is the women who ought to invite the women and the men vice versa? You have not even gone into the details of the context of this speech of the Prophet in order to prove your Fatwa. I think we all should thread carefully before spitting put Haram or Halal. what's wrong and what's not...

Alhamdulillah. I see someone who speaks my mind.

Contact17:


Dear brother/sister (I haven't checked your profile)

Would you not agree with me that Islam is a religion that encourages modesty and enjoining that which is upright and good, whilst, discouraging and prohibiting that which is evil? So much so that even in the Qur'an Allah does not only forbid fornication but also forbids that which leads to it. Will you not agree with me then that the mixing of men and women, most cases where the women are beautified is a source which leads to evil? Where there not a hadith that where the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) mentioned that the greatest fitnah/trial for men is women?

There is no evidence or whatsoever where Islam encourages the free mixing of men and women, where men are allowed to see women uncovered and beautified as it happens during wedding or any other party. Where as, there are many evidences for the prohibition of the free mixing of men and women. I will honestly try try to shorten it in the best possible way

1) Let me start with the Qur'an - Verse No. 53 of Surat al-Ahzab, or the Confederates (Interpretation of the meaning); "...for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs..."

In explaining this Verse, Ibn Kathir (May Allaah have mercy on him) said: "Meaning, as I forbade you to enter their rooms, I forbid you to look at them at all. If one wants to take something from them, one should do so without looking at them. If one wants to ask a woman for something, the same has to be done from behind a screen..

2) We are all aware for the prohibition of mixing amongst men and women even in the mosque! So much so that the men and women are suppose to have different entrance to the mosque, women are suppose to pray behind the men and women aren't suppose to wear perfumes to the mosques.

Umm Salamah (May Allah be pleased with her) said that after Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said "as-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullah’ twice announcing the end of prayer, women would stand up and leave. He would stay for a while before leaving. Ibn Shihab said that he thought that the staying of the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was in order for the women to be able to leave before the men who wanted to depart." Narrated by al-Bukhari under No. 793.

Abu Dawood under No. 876 narrates the same hadith in Kitab al-Salaat under the title "Insiraaf an-Nisaa’ Qabl al-Rijaal min al-Salaah" (Departure of Women before Men after the Prayer). Ibn ‘Umar said that Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: "We should leave this door (of the mosque) for women." Naafi’ said: "Ibn ‘Umar never again entered through that door until he died." Narrated by Abu Dawood under No. 484 in "Kitab as-Salah" under the Chapter entitled: "at-Tashdid fi Thalik".

If this is only for the mosque where the sole purpose is worship, doesn't that mean that it should be even more enforced in other places?

Lastly, the mixing that happens during hajj and ummrah is wrong. What is better is for women to avoid mixing with the men because that is better.
"It was narrated that ‘Ata’ said: The wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) circumambulated the Ka’bah with the men. It was said to him: “How come they are mixed with the men?’ He said: “They did not mix with the men. ‘Aa’ishah used to do tawaaf far away from the men, not mixing with them.” A woman said: “O Mother of the Believers, let us go and touch the Black Stone!” She said: “Go yourself,” and she refused to go.

And Allah knows best
jazakallahu khairan
jummah mubarak brother/sister

Jazakillah for this, may Allah increase ur understanding

opey25:
all the hadiths you quoted didnt specify where Prophet Muhammad (SAW) barred women from attending walimat nikkah. is it also prohibited for women to stay in a separate place during the walimat?

SubhanAllah! May Allah forgive my shortcomings and everyone else, Amin. i just found an hadith in bukhari where the prophet Allowed women to attend walimat Nikkah, i guess its because i favoured some scholars over this issue, this was why i made that grave error

[size=18pt]Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Once the Prophet (ﷺ) saw some women and children coming from a wedding party. He got up energetically and happily and said, "By Allah! You (i.e., the Ansar) are the most beloved of all people to me."[/size]

Insha Allah i will modify that response and tag everyone that made comments on it.

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