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dalaman:
The Lord's Chosen been embroiled in accusation and counter accusation of fraud, decite, fake miracles and lies.

https://www.nairaland.com/1587075/chosen-church-failed-miracle-ala/3

The Lord's Chosen is different from Chosen Church of God

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/05/lords-chosen-fake-miracle-cds-flood-market/comment-page-1/

You didn't read this article . It simply stated that fake CDs which the church disowned are circulating the market . The Lord's Chosen pastor ordered the police to arrest the perpetrators of the crime .

http://www.informationng.com/2013/12/graphic-photos-2-pastors-of-lords-chosen-church-4-others-nabbed-for-ritual-killings-viewer-discretion-advised.html

I checked the comments on the site and even the readers accuse the site of trying to defame the Church . There is NO PROOF they were pastors of the Church . I have a blog too and I can take that same story , change the name of the church and post it . And other people will claim that its a proof that the named church is fake .

http://www.globalnewsnig.com/how-lord-chosen-charismatic-pastor-lazarus-muoka-is-defrauding-his-followers-with-fake-miracles/

This is not a credible source . Another calumny . Not worth paying attention to

http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/13/lords-chosen-nigerian-pastor-arrested-in-tanzania-for-allegedly-smuggling-cocaine/

I have read this story before . There is NO PROOF he is the Lord's Chosen pastor . Anyone can pay anyone to defame or besmirch someone over the internet .

Based on these reports many people have gone to the lords chosen and complained that their miracles are fake.

Lmao . You are becoming desperate . Please do as I say oooo

cc : Dalaman . Here is a first hand experience from a Nairalander . Not rubbish brought from the internet with no modicum of credibility . He brought a MUSLIM cripple by HIMSELF to a POWERFUL crusade . The muslim cripple for 21 YEARS- from birth- and now is WALKING NOT only that , He is also a convert . REFUTE it !!!

mrZENographer:
I see big miracles in my church "The Lord's Chosen" every service. Don't startle me with your blunt attitude.
Have I not posted here how I carried a 21 years born-muslim-cripple to a February crusade 2016 and he was healed by the "Only good God." What no man could do, he did it and today my convert is walking.

Also today "AND THE ENEMIES SUBMITTED" I witnessed so many miracles including a man that was brought blind to church who started see during the instant testimonies section. Please am not among those you can put in your rabbit purse. Biblical miracles are still happening as powerful and mysterious as it was in old times. You can keep running and belching around your rabbit hole or else come and see the mysterious power of God in action. Thank you scorner for reading.

Crazyfinedude:
cc : Dalaman . Here is a first hand experience from a Nairalander . Not rubbish brought from the internet with no modicum of credibility . He brought a MUSLIM cripple by HIMSELF to a POWERFUL crusade . The muslim cripple for 21 YEARS- from birth- and now is WALKING NOT only that , He is also a convert . REFUTE it !!!

Yeah. He carried a muslim that has no name, no address, no contact number and no identity to an elusive crusade and the elusive muslim was healed in the Lord's Chosen church. No before and after pictures. Just empty words on the Internet. If I call you deluded you'll take offense. Recieve sense my brother.

dalaman:
Now you didn't give the example to convince me after I made rubbish of your claim. If your claim wasn't to convince me you wouldn't have brought it up. There are many before and after pictures of people on the Internet who regain their sight through corrective surgery. Those promoting the surgeons and their cause use the pictures and videos to encourage others to bring forward their blind friends and relatives for surgery.

You have a blind uncle that was healed as you claim. Why not bring forward his before and after pictures so that you will convince an atheist like me that the supernatural is real and gain a convert.

I wish you don't derail from the topic. Suppose I wanted to lie, if I gave you the picture of a blind man After and before he became blind, how would you know?..you talk like that is the greatest wisdom in the whole world.

I have a video of a girl who seems to read with her eyes blindfolded, you ignored that to ask for another video which of course you will not examine. The objective of this: if the video is an arranged, let's analyse and objectively discuss.

Finally, Like I said, he is not your uncle AND when he received his sight you were NOT par of the celebration.

shadeyinka:
I wish you don't derail from the topic. Suppose I wanted to lie, if I gave you the picture of a blind man After and before he became blind, how would you know?..you talk like that is the greatest wisdom in the whole world.

I have a video of a girl who seems to read with her eyes blindfolded, you ignored that to ask for another video which of course you will not examine. The objective of this: if the video is an arranged, let's analyse and objectively discuss.

Finally, Like I said, he is not your uncle AND when he received his sight you were NOT par of the celebration.

What are you talking about?If you provide a video of a blind man I will be able to know because a blind.man's eyes look different from the eyes of a person that sees. I have told you that the video of the blindfolded lady is a trick video. I might not be able to know the trick employed but others that have claimed to have her ability have been scrutinized and we're shown to be fake. The boy in Japan had his eyes closed with celotape and he failed. The Wikipediaentry by Seun condluded that the act is fake. What more do you want?

The claim that your uncle incredibly recieved his sight after being prayed for remains a lie. Unless you provide good evidence you are not to be taken seriously. What can be claimed without evidence should also be dismissed without evidence.

Crazyfinedude:
I even gave him options on that thread to choose from , I still don't know why he couldn't just pick any of the possible smart explaining away I gave as opitions .


SonOfLucifer , please prove to me that miracle is fake . LOGICAL FREE THINKER , where art thou ?



How on earth will he even inveigle me into accepting the miracle is fake . I'm a church member , I've seen so many , even better ones with my own eyes . If all these miracles are fake that means there must be a village where they practice these arts of subterfuge and then the people are sent to every Chosen branch in Nigeria to pose as testifiers including me . For 10 complete years , the testimonies and testifiers with their names and location printed bodly after their testimonies and their photos , all in the testimony magazines .

The day I shared my testimony it was scrutinized before I gave it . I was asked different questions to ascertain if its actually a testimony or not . People get turned away if they (testimony interviewers ) see that its not really a testimony or your testimomy's veracity is questionable . The testimony interviewer is part of the congregation - a worker in the church in fact .

How are all these fake for Christ sake I need answers please . I'm too smart to blown away by foolish responses . SonOfLucifer , you can call any of your crew to help instead of evading the question for a week now .

cc : Seun , Dalaman , Ifenes

The fact that you have written these things means you are not totally sure of the things you have witnessed. If you were, you wouldn't need atheists to explain anything.

shadeyinka:
Your argument is just like,
NEWS: "A Boeing 747 plane crashed yesterday in India"
ATHEIST: This is a proof that planes cannot fly.

It's more like this:
Believer: My virgin daughter just got pregnant even though she has never had sex in her life! It's a miracle!
Atheist: A girl can have sex without her parents' knowledge, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that your daughter has had sex.

Seun:
It's more like this:
News: My virgin daughter just got pregnant even though she has never had sex in her life! It's a miracle!
Atheist: A girl can have sex without her parents' knowledge, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that your daughter has had sex.

Waao:

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Seun:
It's more like this:
Believer: My virgin daughter just got pregnant even though she has never had sex in her life! It's a miracle!
Atheist: A girl can have sex without her parents' knowledge, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that your daughter has had sex.

You described it perfectly. . . They have so much faith that their daughter is a good child and will never have sex, and would prefer to think its a miracle that she got pregnant than to think she's not actually who they think she is (faith in their religion that they reject more rational, logical explanations that show that their religion isn't really what they think it is).

Seun:
It's more like this:
Believer: My virgin daughter just got pregnant even though she has never had sex in her life! It's a miracle!
Atheist: A girl can have sex without her parents' knowledge, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that your daughter has had sex.

Smh...seun you disappoint me daily with your shallow level of reasoning. I thought you were a deep thinker but obviously saying you are would be like giving an Oscar award to Babasuwe.

MissHatey:
Waao:

Can doctors prove virginity or not? Is a person a virgin only without sex or when it shows their hymen is broken.

A broken hymen shows something happened and even our mothers know how to check. But you just conveniently ruled out everything sensible and just dropped that thing you dropped.

Smh

Seun:
It's more like this:
Believer: My virgin daughter just got pregnant even though she has never had sex in her life! It's a miracle!
Atheist: A girl can have sex without her parents' knowledge, therefore it's more reasonable to assume that your daughter has had sex.

Can doctors prove virginity or not? Is a person a virgin only without sex or when it shows their hymen is broken.

A broken hymen shows something happened and even our mothers know how to check. But you just conveniently ruled out everything sensible and just dropped that thing you dropped.

Smh

naijadeyhia:
Can doctors prove virginity or not? Is a person a virgin only without sex or when it shows their hymen is broken.

A broken hymen shows something happened and even our mothers know how to check. [b]But you just conveniently ruled out everything sensible and just dropped that thing you dropped[\b]

Smh

Ellucidate, then we can talk

MissHatey:
Ellucidate, then we can talk

The post was for Seun and not you.

naijadeyhia:
The post was for Seunn and not you.

okies

dalaman:
So what if the girl is just a child? Children have been used to decieve many people and atbe still being used to decieve many . Seun recently posted the video documentary of a former child preacher call Majoe. Please watch his documentary on Youtube. His parent concucted a story of how the boy at age 3 or so had an encounter with Jesus, they said Jesus appeared to him as a baby and gave him abilities to preach(alll made up lies). They boy relates the story with such conviction and goes about preaching because his parents thought him how to preach at a very early age. They told him what to say and hiw to act when he is preaching at home and he practiced always. Peoplw thought he was God sent because of the way he preached as a child. They didn't know his parents spent hours daily coaching him. Even as an atheist he was busy performing miracles in crusades . He got tired of the sham made a documentary out of it to expose all the lies and left christianity. The girl being a child means nothing at all.

Marjoe Gortner(real name which is a combination of Mary&Joseph MarJoe) never performed miracles he was only known to sell items at crusades which pple sed & he made pple bliv wuld heal dem.

DonBobes:
Marjoe Gortner(real name which is a combination of Mary&Joseph MarJoe) never performed miracles he was only known to sell items at crusades which pple sed & he made pple bliv wuld heal dem.

He made people believe he will heal them . He laid hands on people and they believed they were healed. His last crusade was a healing crusade and a few people believed they were healed because he laid hands on them.

naijadeyhia:
Can doctors prove virginity or not? Is a person a virgin only without sex or when it shows their hymen is broken.

I think you understand my point, which is that if an event could have happened naturally, it's reasonable to assume that it happened naturally. You should only consider a supernatural explanation if you have objectively ruled out every possible natural explanation.

News: The worst student in a class mysteriously scored 100% in the end of year exams after scoring 0 in all his tests and projects! Miracle!
Atheist: Poor students can score high marks by cheating. Unless there's a lots of evidence to the contrary, we should assume that he cheated.

News: My boyfriend who is 100% faithful to me was found in another woman's bed. The evil woman summoned him using mermaid magic!
Atheist: Are you serious? Your boyfriend is obviously cheating on you.

To all the atheist pls can you explain why it has not been possible for freethinkers /atheist /scientist to reproduce a human skin or a human blood or even a human hair?

sorry not part of the topic

buhh stuff like these will make u blive in the supernatural!

Seun:
I think you understand my point, which is that if an event could have happened naturally, it's reasonable to assume that it happened naturally. You should only consider a supernatural explanation if you have objectively ruled out every possible natural explanation.

News: The worst student in a class mysteriously scored 100% in the end of year exams after scoring 0 in all his tests and projects! Miracle!
Atheist: Poor students can score high marks by cheating. Unless there's a lots of evidence to the contrary, we should assume that he cheated.

News: My boyfriend who is 100% faithful to me was found in another woman's bed. The evil woman summoned him using mermaid magic!
Atheist: Are you serious? Your boyfriend is obviously cheating on you.

Your point is lost to me because not everything is attributed to the miraculous unless you say that only believers alone hear about these occurrences.

Question medically confirmed AS genotype being turned to AA from a family whom both parents are AS and SS and who was proven as a child from both parents via DNA confirmation is regarded as what?

When a woman wanted to get married to man whom she was convinced was God directed to her and he was AS and she was AS and the church refused to wed them but they took it up with God and she being formerly AS and confirmed by the church was confirmed AA in another test 3 weeks later.

I know you will say perhaps they made an error in both tests and she could have been originally AA all along but remember both parents are AS and SS so AA is impossible to get.

What is that called? Stroke of luck?

naijadeyhia:
Question medically confirmed AS genotype being turned to AA from a family whom both parents are AS and SS and who was proven as a child from both parents via DNA confirmation is regarded as what?

The most likely natural explanation is that the last test that came out as AA was falsified to allow the marriage to proceed. The second is a honest error with one of the other 3 genotype tests referred to - it seems crazy that someone who is a sickler (SS) would have married a carrier (AS). The third is that your claim that the lady was proven to be a child of each parent by DNA testing is a lie for Jesus - Nigerians don't do DNA tests unless there is a dispute.

The first thing we need to do is look at those 6 test results you referred to.

Seun:
The most likely natural explanation is that last test that came out as AA was falsified to allow the marriage to proceed. The second is a honest error with one of the other 3 genotype tests referred to - it seems crazy that someone who is a sickler (SS) would have married a carrier (AS). The third is that your claim that the lady was proven to be a child of each parent by DNA testing is a lie for Jesus - Nigerians don't do DNA tests unless there is a dispute.

The first thing we need to do is look at those 6 test results you referred to.

You just love deceiving yourself don't you? Falsified when the lady carried it out separately and the church also carried out theirs for confirmation.

Continue deceiving yourself. Its allowed!

DNA test was done not based on a paternity dispute but based on a transplant issue in the past.

Seun:
The most likely natural explanation is that last test that came out as AA was falsified to allow the marriage to proceed. The second is a honest error with one of the other 3 genotype tests referred to - it seems crazy that someone who is a sickler (SS) would have married a carrier (AS). The third is that your claim that the lady was proven to be a child of each parent by DNA testing is a lie for Jesus - Nigerians don't do DNA tests unless there is a dispute.

The first thing we need to do is look at those 6 test results you referred to.

Besides the lady in question was 35 or so then and when the parents got married nobody did anything like genotype testing as it was all traditional back then.

Let's discuss : How on earth did this young man arrive at this conclusion . I'm amazed . Albert Einstein Jnr ?

Ranchhoddas:
[size=16pt]The fact that you have written these things[/size]

Yeah , it is was written

Ranchhoddas:
means

yh ... yh ... means what ?

Ranchhoddas:
you are not totally sure of the things you have witnessed.

Then how did you get to this ? Just how ? If someone has a detailed explanation of his experience then according to the atheist you are not sure of what was experienced ? WoW ! I envy your sense of reasoning

Ranchhoddas:
If you were, you wouldn't need atheists to explain anything.

He just made everything worse by given a "pellucid" explanation.

But you deserve a round of applause . Its not easy at all . "A. Einstein moments" are really rare these days

KingEbukaNaija:
Let's discuss : How on earth did this young man arrive at this conclusion . I'm amazed . Albert Einstein Jnr ?


Yeah , it is was written



yh ... yh ... means what ?



Then how did you get to this ? Just how ? If someone has a detailed explanation of his experience then according to the atheist you are not sure of what was experienced ? WoW ! I envy your sense of reasoning



He just made everything worse by given a "pellucid" explanation.

But you deserve a round of applause . Its not easy at all . "A. Einstein moments" are really rare these days

Wow. Did my comment get to you? Are you also having doubts?

First off, don't forget the definition of atheism. Theism means belief in a god, Atheism means unbelief in a god. That is unrelated to metaphysics.
Gnosticism means 'to know' and Agnosticism means you don't know. Someone claiming to be an atheist doesn't mean that he is declares that all paranormal happenings are fake. Yes, a lot, in fact the majority of them are staged and fake. But I can't say all of them are. Likewise, paranormal happenings like the opening post in no way prove that your god Yahweh exists.
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There are many things we are yet to understand, and instead of just placing everything on a blind belief, I think its better to explore and investigate. Only true understanding brings conviction. Blind faith takes you nowhere.
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Christians. . . I recently watched an interesting video on reincarnation. Ten different amazing DOCUMENTED by reputable universities and scientists, stories of children below the age of ten who vividly describe the whole lifetime of another person whom they have had no contact with at all. These children claim to remember their 'previous existences' so strongly, even providing minor details of their 'past life', such as their favorite orange juice. . .
Since your bible is the ultimate grandmaster in explaining all of life and all paranormal activities, are you able to explain this?
While the girl in the video from the OP seems fake, your Christian brother, TheVigilantChristian, typical to his fear-mongering religion, ascribed the girl's abilities to evil demons. . . Maybe the reincarnation stories are evils demons too. . . lol