Don't you see a Problem with Eisteins Theory of Relativity?

Reyginus:
Don't you see a Problem with Eisteins Theory of Relativity?

You may educate us more on these problems bro lets try and discuss them further..

johnydon22:


You may educate us more on these problems bro lets try and discuss them further..

I'm only asking if you don't think there's a problem with it.

johnydon22:


I knew this boy must juggle me with questions welcome brother

Anyway twice it's current size with sufficient mass, it could have passed for a brown dwarf.

With 4times or more the present size, sufficient mass it could be a low mass star, massive enough to sustain a fusion of Hydrogen atoms.

haha, not a day passes where don't potentially annoy someone with either unnatural inquisitiveness or insufferable talkativeness.

^^You left out the microwave part of the spectrum, whether this is by design or otherwise, I don't know, but I think it will be important to mention as it is the cosmic background of the universe and one of the top evidence for big bang theory.

Also, I just hatched a wicked Idea to make Jupiter into a star.

launch saturn and neptune into it.


what? we're not using them for anything anyway.

Reyginus:
Don't you see a Problem with Eisteins Theory of Relativity?

Ultimately, every theory is wrong, the question is, how far do you have to stretch it before it breaks?


for Einstein's theory, it's the quantum world. it's practically useless down there. or is in there? abi out there?

Reyginus:
I'm only asking if you don't think there's a problem with it.

Surely theories are limited, they explain based on known facts more discoveries might either enhance, modify or improve the quality of it's truths.

Like teempakguy mentioned: In the Quantum world the theory of relativity breaks down but not just that, almost every known law of classical physics breaks down in the quantum realm even Cause and effect.

Teempakguy:
haha, not a day passes where don't potentially annoy someone with either unnatural inquisitiveness or insufferable talkativeness.

Make people no use slap reset your destiny one of these days.

^^You left out the microwave part of the spectrum, whether this is by design or otherwise, I don't know, but I think it will be important to mention as it is the cosmic background of the universe and one of the top evidence for big bang theory.

Yeah remnants of a bang, like showers of fire rains after fireworks.

Also, I just hatched a wicked Idea to make Jupiter into a star.

launch saturn and neptune into it.

Like play like play you don deh mad That's a classical example of a terrible idea..

Neptune is more massive than the earth, who is gonna launch who, we earthlings must first move the earth first

what? we're not using them for anything anyway.

And who told you it's there because of you?

johnydon22:


Make people no use slap reset your destiny one of these days.

nah, most people can't bear to hurt me. not when I flash my super cute face. works every time.

Yeah remnants of a bang, like showers of fire rains after fireworks.



Like play like play you don deh mad That's a classical example of a terrible idea..

Neptune is more massive than the earth, who is gonna launch who, we earthlings must first move the earth first



And who told you it's there because of you?

Oh pulease, eventually, the universe is there for the taking.

my own philosophical stand point is that intelligence is a core part of the universe and that whatever happens to the universe as a result of intelligence is not damaging to it, instead, it is rather part of the natural phenomenon that happens every other day. in other words, there is nothing too BAD or too much of playing God . . . that humans aren't allowed to do. we can do anything we want, technically, it is universally allowed. any restrictions we place on ourselves are simply a effect of years of evolution working on us. and this is both good and bad.

This philosophical position has allowed me to dream of incredible things, no restrictions, I view the universe as a playground, to be mixed and matched at the whim of intelligent systems. BUT, I suspect that YOU, view the universe as a beautiful woman. not to be tampered with, but to be observed with great care and adulation.

If That's really your standpoint, then voila, we now have a new topic to discuss in your cosmological and philosophical thread.

The universe, Toy or Flower?

BTW, a level 3 civilization can effortlessly play around with the planets in this system like they were ping pong balls. I highly suspect that they're going to launch Jupiter and Saturn into the sun for fuel. and when they do, I will be the one to claim the glory for suggesting it first.

Teempakguy:
nah, most people can't bear to hurt me. not when I flash my super cute face. works every time.


Oh pulease, eventually, the universe is there for the taking.

my own philosophical stand point is that intelligence is a core part of the universe and that whatever happens to the universe as a result of intelligence is not damaging to it, instead, it is rather part of the natural phenomenon that happens every other day. in other words, there is nothing too BAD or too much of playing God . . . that humans aren't allowed to do. we can do anything we want, technically, it is universally allowed. any restrictions we place on ourselves are simply a effect of years of evolution working on us. and this is both good and bad.

This philosophical position has allowed me to dream of incredible things, no restrictions, I view the universe as a playground, to be mixed and matched at the whim of intelligent systems. BUT, I suspect that YOU, view the universe as a beautiful woman. not to be tampered with, but to be observed with great care and adulation.

If That's really your standpoint, then voila, we now have a new topic to discuss in your cosmological and philosophical thread.

The universe, Toy or Flower?

I see the universe both as flower and as a field to mine and use but in this position i always recommend moderation.

One problem with humans is our inability to know when to stop, in our evolutionary Journey man's intelligence was the key to his survival and domination until man invented nuclear weapons his intelligence became the direct number one threat to his survival.

Toying with the universe is allowed alright since man is also part of nature so fairly put can be said its a reaction of natural agents but i fear that leap might walk hand in hand with our doom.

BTW, a level 3 civilization can effortlessly play around with the planets in this system like they were ping pong balls. I highly suspect that they're going to launch Jupiter and Saturn into the sun for fuel. and when they do, I will be the one to claim the glory for suggesting it first.

And then they loose their number 1 cover from meteor bombardment. Saturn and Jupiter are enormously huge and massive with humongous gravitational effect, they like shielding bodies from meteor and asteroid bombardment for the inner solar system Jupiter more so.

Take away Jupiter and saturn, earth becomes more vulnerable to these factors, You see one of the reasons why i say lack moderation may make our intelligence a direct cause of our bane?

In all our advancement walks hand in hand with our doom

johnydon22:


I see the universe both as flower and as a field to mine and use but in this position i always recommend moderation.

One problem with humans is our inability to know when to stop, in our evolutionary Journey man's intelligence was the key to his survival and domination until man invented nuclear weapons his intelligence became the direct number one threat to his survival.

Toying with the universe is allowed alright since man is also part of nature so fairly put can be said its a reaction of natural agents but i fear that leap might walk hand in hand with our doom.



And then they loose their number 1 cover from meteor bombardment. Saturn and Jupiter are enormously huge and massive with humongous gravitational effect, they like shielding bodies from meteor and asteroid bombardment for the inner solar system Jupiter more so.

Take away Jupiter and saturn, earth becomes more vulnerable to these factors, You see one of the reasons why i say lack moderation may make our intelligence a direct cause of our bane?

In all our advancement walks hand in hand with our doom

Alright. This thread is for you to sing songs of the world, and right now, I'm like the Orubebe of your elections.

So lemme jega and keep enjoying your writings.

Teempakguy:
Ultimately, every theory is wrong, the question is, how far do you have to stretch it before it breaks?


for Einstein's theory, it's the quantum world. it's practically useless down there. or is in there? abi out there?

What do you mean by 'Every Theory is Wrong' and why do you think the theory is practically useless there?

johnydon22:


Surely theories are limited, they explain based on known facts more discoveries might either enhance, modify or improve the quality of it's truths.

Like teempakguy mentioned: In the Quantum world the theory of relativity breaks down but not just that, almost every known law of classical physics breaks down in the quantum realm even Cause and effect.

Okay.

Reyginus:
What do you mean by 'Every Theory is Wrong' and why do you think the theory is practically useless there?

What i mean is, theories only approximately describe the world. they're not an absolute representation of the the actual world.


Think about it this way, you, and a painting of you. the painting describes you with color, but it's not actually you. at some point, it will be impossible to mistake you for the painting. a photograph is more accurate, but still not you. a clone, is very accurate, but still not you. it all depends on how far you are willing to dig in.

Reyginus:
What do you mean by 'Every Theory is Wrong'

It's a subjective connotation because the macro state and quantum state are distinct though intrinsic collectively.

it may be wrong to say "every theory is wrong" here since we are dealing with different level of nature here, it's like putting a fanta inside a coke bottle and saying "that is wrong" of course it is wrong but that doesn't mean "fanta" is wrong, just put it back into it's fanta container it becomes right.

That is the relationship between classical laws of physics and the quantum state, teempakguy is a mischievous young mad science nerd always yanking chains.

The Quantum state [Subatomic realm] is literally too different from your classical every day reality which classical physics explains.

E.G: Subatomic particles has been observed to speed up without interference from any external force which shatters the first law of motion of the macro state, Cause and effect doesn't hold sway here.

while this macro state is defined by limitations and physical laws the quantum world seem more or less lawless, i have discussed this with JackBizzle sometime ago, i told him maybe the reason why humans can't postulate a law guarding the manifestations of quantum state is because there are no law.

We are used to limitations and boundaries that we look for it everywhere, maybe the only law there is there are no laws

Remarkably the macro is built from the micro [quantum bits] which means the lawless behaviours of the quantum particles define the detailed restricted behaviour of the macro state.

and why do you think the theory is practically useless there?

Because it fails at explaining the behaviours and manifestations of nature at the quantum scale.

Just like it is useless to tender a law based on 'Cause and effect' on a state where particles act without Cause.

Teempakguy:
Alright. This thread is for you to sing songs of the world, and right now, I'm like the Orubebe of your elections.

So lemme jega and keep enjoying your writings.

It's high time we developed a very soothing way of portraying scientific findings, the usual raw all sciency language makes it a very turn off to most people because it makes it harder than it should be.

I'm singing a song here, literary mastery i hope to achieve, to paint pictures with words instead of smearing calculus on minds who wish to just see in a clear water which is like shaking the water instead of allowing it to be settled and calm for them to see clearly.

Just like Einstein said "Judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's life believing it's a failure".

Make the language of a science more simple and refreshing, make it more philosophical, profound and 'religious' and let's see if everyone is not a GENIUS.

That's the aim of the 'Songs of the Worlds'..

Mr Jega welcome tire!!!

Teempakguy:
What i mean is, theories only approximately describe the world. they're not an absolute representation of the the actual world.


Think about it this way, you, and a painting of you. the painting describes you with color, but it's not actually you. at some point, it will be impossible to mistake you for the painting. a photograph is more accurate, but still not you. a clone, is very accurate, but still not you. it all depends on how far you are willing to dig in.

Okay. I get you now.

johnydon22:


It's a subjective connotation because the macro state and quantum state are distinct though intrinsic collectively.

it may be wrong to say "every theory is wrong" here since we are dealing with different level of nature here, it's like putting a fanta inside a coke bottle and saying "that is wrong" of course it is wrong but that doesn't mean "fanta" is wrong, just put it back into it's fanta container it becomes right.

That is the relationship between classical laws of physics and the quantum state, teempakguy is a mischievous young mad science nerd always yanking chains.

The Quantum state [Subatomic realm] is literally too different from your classical every day reality which classical physics explains.

E.G: Subatomic particles has been observed to speed up without interference from any external force which shatters the first law of motion of the macro state, Cause and effect doesn't hold sway here.

while this macro state is defined by limitations and physical laws the quantum world seem more or less lawless, i have discussed this with JackBizzle sometime ago, i told him maybe the reason why humans can't postulate a law guarding the manifestations of quantum state is because there are no law.

We are used to limitations and boundaries that we look for it everywhere, maybe the only law there is there are no laws

Remarkably the macro is built from the micro [quantum bits] which means the lawless behaviours of the quantum particles define the detailed restricted behaviour of the macro state.



Because it fails at explaining the behaviours and manifestations of nature at the quantum scale.

Just like it is useless to tender a law based on 'Cause and effect' on a state where particles act without Cause.

Seems like a place where everything is possible. How can we know with certainty that that which we think we know of the quantum world is really the actual nature of this world?

Reyginus:
Seems like a place where everything is possible. How can we know with certainty that that which we think we know of the quantum world is really the actual nature of this world?

Science thrives on the back of observations to formulate a theory based on consistent logic.

Observations of the quantum world teaches man the things man know about the Quantum world, this is just man saying the things he is observing wondering how they are so upside down from the one he is used to

johnydon22:


It's high time we developed a very soothing way of portraying scientific findings, the usual raw all sciency language makes it a very turn off to most people because it makes it harder than it should be.

I'm singing a song here, literary mastery i hope to achieve, to paint pictures with words instead of smearing calculus on minds who wish to just see in a clear water which is like shaking the water instead of allowing it to be settled and calm for them to see clearly.

Just like Einstein said "Judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's life believing it's a failure".

Make the language of a science more simple and refreshing, make it more philosophical, profound and 'religious' and let's see if everyone is not a GENIUS.

That's the aim of the 'Songs of the Worlds'..

Mr Jega welcome tire!!!

Yeah, I know how you feel. and what you're doing actually requires talent. the kind that people like Neil degrasse Tyson, Carl sagan, Bill Nye, and Michael Stevens have. the ability to break down complex scientific Ideas to highly accessible nuggets for the layman.

Which gives me an Idea . . . man . . . You should consider some larger platform, like writing articles for magazines and/or doing video presentations on Tv, or A blog. It's totally doable and it seems like the kind of thing you're cut out for.

But hey, that's just musings. continue writing.

Reyginus:
Seems like a place where everything is possible. How can we know with certainty that that which we think we know of the quantum world is really the actual nature of this world?

check these out.

every electron in the world is indistinguishable from the others. there's no way to distinguish any electron from any other one. ｔｈｅｙ　ａｌｌ　ｌｏｏｋ　ｔｈｅ　ｓａｍｅ　ｗａｙ．

Photons don't accelerate. the moment they come into existence, they're moving at the speed of light. if you try to slow them down beyond that speed, they disappear from existence and give away their energy.

Electrons can't be found in a location. their entire existence is probabilistic.

Electrons are always moving everywhere, without apparent driving force. they literally take newton's third law and use it as toilet paper.

johnydon22:


Science thrives on the back of observations to formulate a theory based on consistent logic.

Observations of the quantum world teaches man the things man know about the Quantum world, this is just man saying the things he is observing wondering how they are so upside down from the one he is used to

Okay.

Teempakguy:
check these out.

every electron in the world is indistinguishable from the others. there's no way to distinguish any electron from any other one. ｔｈｅｙ　ａｌｌ　ｌｏｏｋ　ｔｈｅ　ｓａｍｅ　ｗａｙ．

Photons don't accelerate. the moment they come into existence, they're moving at the speed of light. if you try to slow them down beyond that speed, they disappear from existence and give away their energy.

Electrons can't be found in a location. their entire existence is probabilistic.

Electrons are always moving everywhere, without apparent driving force. they literally take newton's third law and use it as toilet paper.

Okay.

THE ONENESS



Na Arean sat alone in space as a cloud that floats in nothingness. He slept not, for there was no sleep; he hungered not, for as yet there was no hunger. So he remained for a great while, until a thought came to his mind. He said to himself, ‘I will make a thing.’ -
A myth from Maiana,

Before heaven and earth had taken form all was vague and amorphous . . . That which was clear and light drifted up to become heaven, while that which was heavy and turbid solidified to become earth. It was very easy for the pure, fine material to come together, but extremely difficult for the heavy, turbid material to solidify. Therefore heaven was completed first and earth assumed shape after. When heaven and earth were joined in emptiness and all was unwrought simplicity, then without having been created things came into being. This was the Great Oneness. All things issued from this Oneness but all became different . . .
-Huai-nan Tzu, China [ first century B.C.]

"And all was unwrought simplicity" an echoing ancient voice of audacious profound realization, human myths and legends are giant leaps for mankind in an era marked by very limited technological advancement to probe nature but these pay homage to the versatile and what deep speculations a simple mind can deduct on it's own.

We live in a universe of remarkable complexity, outstanding diversity, randomness and chaos in full accord leading to evolving patterns.

But can it all be traced to a fundamental oneness?

A fundamental simplicity, a basic universality of all diversity evolving into differing bits.

Atom was first argued by Democritus, a Greek from the province Abdera.

when you are cutting through objects, it is possible because you are cutting through space between atoms, without this space objects would be uncuttable as the Atom was uncuttable - which literally is the meaning of atom [uncuttable]

He argued that the more you cut the object down to size more and more you'll come to the size of atoms which then will make the object impossible to cut.

He, Democritus whose name would crop up in subsequent chapters yet again believed everything was fundamentally made of uncuttable bits, that matter is the sole material of universal manifestation.

For example, He argued contrary to Plato's view that Mind was as a result of Gods putting spirit in man rather that Mind- thought, will are all defined by the mechanics of matter. that matter in a highly intrinsic finely derived arrangement is source of thoughts.

Atom are fundamental particles that gives distinct elements their characteristics and manifestations, the atomic configuration of an element determines it's behavioral tendencies - the shiny yellow glow of gold, the fibre feel of wood, the smooth feel of your phone while you read this.

Recent studies have revealed the astonishing world of the atom, the fundamental arrangements that makes everything. The atom is made up of Neutron, proton and electron the discovery of these subatomic particles reduced the nature of the elemental compositions to a humbling simplicity.

The differing arrangements of these subatomic particles makes almost everything.

The atomic world relies on a remarkable need for electrical equilibrium.

The neutrons, as their name suggests, carry no electrical charge. The protons have a positive charge and the electrons an equal negative charge.

The attraction between the unlike charges of electrons and protons is what holds the atom together. Since each atom is electrically neutral, the number of protons in the nucleus must exactly equal the number of electrons in the electron cloud to cancel the opposing value and derive an electrical neutral nature.

So in the configuration of the atomic chemistry

-An atom with 1 proton [which equals the number of electron] is Hydrogen.

-An atom with 2 protons is Helium

-3 protons is Lithium

-4 protons is beryllium

-5 protons is boron

-6 protons is carbon

-7 protons is Nitrogen

- 8 is oxygen

way up to the greedy accumulation of 92 which is Uranium.

In this emerging atomic song, a oneness can be noticed, a unity of all, a fundamental oneness in a magnanimous diversity.

It's almost certainly that a Helium is a hydrogen atom that gained additional proton [likewise neutrons] and thus goes for all the elementary manifestation known to man.

there is a unifying oneness derived in the intrinsic song of the atomic lot.

Two protons and two neutrons are the nucleus of a helium atom, which turns out to be very stable. Three helium nuclei make a carbon nucleus; four, oxygen; five, neon; six, magnesium; seven, silicon; eight, sulfur; and so on.

Every time we add one or more protons and enough neutrons to keep the nucleus together, we make a new chemical element. If we subtract one proton and three neutrons from mercury, gold is born.

The universe, almost all of it - 99% of the universe is basically hydrogen and Helium.

Are other elements somehow direct products or modification of the atomic configuration in these two universal fundamental elements or do they [other elements] somehow are derived from an independent origin.

To derive an equilibrium in the nucleus, a neutral charge must be achieved to balance the electrical repulsion, pieces of nuclear matter would have to be brought very close together so that the short-range nuclear forces are engaged.

This can happen only at very high temperatures where the particles are moving so fast that the repulsive force does not have time to act - temperatures of tens of millions of degrees.

because of this outstanding discovery of atomic reconfiguration only possible in very high temperature and pressure, our eyes turn only to one type of entity in the universe;

The stars.

Fundamentally huge bombarding balls of hydrogen with intense temperature and a self sustaining ability derived from the thermonuclear fusion that thrives in the core - where hydrogen atoms are being jammed violently to form helium atoms.

This gives an insight to the elemental births, stars are the nursing wombs of universal elemental soup.

The glows of the stars are due to their stupendous temperature - matter burning while singing the chaotic cosmic song that will determine the evolving complexity of the universe.

Except for hydrogen every element now manifesting universal are in a way chiefly products of stars, the poorer atomic elements born from starry nuclear fusion scattered into the waiting cosmos in the sad violent death of these stars [supernovae], heavier elements like gold, uranium are born in that violent explosions [supernovae] that produces so much energy as that of a starry life time in one sudden outstanding burst.

The more common an element is goes in coincide with it's simplicity in the atomic signature.

Hydrogen and helium are the most abundant with very simple atomic configuration.

Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen stable and steady configurations and thus it goes up.

I however speculate the universal elemental composition does not end in the earth manifesting elements that reaches an apex at Uranium or the man made unholding toxic plutonium but spans much higher though at a very small scale as the abundance of elements diminishes with the complexity of their atomic derivation.

You could imagine the primordial universe would be fundamentally simple with only hydrogen and probably helium [the simplest elements] present.

Then through gravitational interference these elements condensed and collapsed sparking up thermonuclear fusion and stars came to the new infant universe, lighting up the darkness of the deep.

Inside this burning monstrous lot, a universal kitchen or lab thrived where untold chaos birthed more elements - after a star's hydrogen supply runs out it begins to burn helium atom and heavier elements -oxygen, carbon, nitrogen etc are born.

Once the star comes to a sudden and violent end, it's elementary soup is scattered into the waiting deep, what was once a very simple universe of basic hydrogen and helium took a further step of complexity as it had gained more elements that would play more cosmic role in the evolving cosmic drama.

Because oxygen was born, the reaction leading to water was made possible, the more options of colliding causalities became more versatile birthing more complexity from a defying simplicity, an intricate diversity from a fundamental oneness

The atoms of these elements manifesting every corner of the universe are basically star born, the carbon in your food, oxygen in the water, nitrogen in the atmosphere, gold, silicon, carbon that are the building blocks of the biological chemistry that defines you, calcium in your bones, iron in your blood are direct products of a violent starry lab, a magnanimous offer made possible by their deaths.

We are, all of us - made of stars.

Songs of the worlds continues tomorrow.

THE HEARTBEAT OF ADAM


Probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed .... There is grandeur in this view of life . . . that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
-Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859



Juok created every thing living and non living, The way
in which he modeled men was this. He took a lump of earth and said to himself,
'I will make man, but he must be able to walk and run and go out into the fields, so I will give him two long legs, like the flamingo.'
Having done so, he thought again, 'The man must be able to cultivate his millet, so I will give him two arms, one to hold the hoe, and the other to tear up the weeds.'
So he gave him two arms. Then he thought again, 'The man must be able to see his millet, so I will give him two eyes.' He did so accordingly. Next he thought to himself,
'The man must be able to eat his millet, so I will give him a mouth.' And a mouth he gave him accordingly. After that he thought within himself, 'The man must be able to dance and speak and sing and shout, and for these purposes he must have a tongue.' And a tongue he gave him accordingly.
Lastly- the God Juok said to himself, 'The man must be able to hear the noise of the dance and the speech of the great men, and for that he needs two ears.' So two ears he gave him, and sent him out into the world a perfect man.'

Creation myth of the SHILLLUK people from Africa

A very colourful explanation to the origin of man. The origin of all species has always been a question of unmatchable magnitude that has ever bothered the mind of man.

There are several thousand creation myths littered in every avenue of human culture, all orchestrating an answer aimed at addressing and giving a purpose to the manifestation of man.

Kukulkan made man from corn - in the Mayan creation myth

Odin made man from log - in Scandinavian creation myth

Prometheus made man from clay - in Greek myth

Ra- atum made man from tears - in the Egyptian creation myth.

Yahweh [Elohim] made man from dust - in Jewish creation myth

Obatala made man from dirt -Yoruba creation myth

Man is a divine thought, a project of the divine will, a design of divine providence and on a more minimal scale every other specie are directly or indirectly a divine act of man's divinely designated purpose to subdue and dominate, that has always been the theme, the motif, the plot of every creation story.

To elevate, to exalt one specie and place it in the apex of natural organisms thriving within the belly of Gaia.

A bit of a blaring testimony to the egoistic nature the intelligence of man endowed him with, a condescending act of man seeing himself as apex of universal manifestations.

In medieval biology, there was a mapped out thorough recipe for life.

The chemical reaction includes, A jar, a piece of dirty cloth, some wheat or barely, put the cloth and wheat in jar and seal tight, leave for a long period of time probably weeks then come back to check, Mice must have appeared in the Jar.

A breathtaking miracle that would be if it somehow was true, at least they got one part close - Life was a chemistry.

Life is not just chemistry but a very intricate organic chemistry - our life dependent on carbon to be the building foundation of this organic complex.

Every organism on earth from the simplest unicellular microbes of no more than 10,000 atoms to the most complex of organisms with an atomic composition of trillions -they all share a similar organic chemistry, a relationship very written in their DNA, a long chain of information accumulated over a long duration of accumulating intrinsic complexity and diversity fueled by mutation due to abundant natural agents.

Like shown in the preceding chapter - we are predominantly made of:
-Hydrogen
-Carbon
-Nitrogen
-oxygen
(and some other elements of little presence but undeniably of remarkable significance)

and outstandingly these very elements with the addition of helium to the list are the most abundant elements in the universe.

-Hydrogen
-Helium
-Carbon
-Nitrogen
-Oxygen

We are made of the most common elements in the universe just like water also is made of the most abundant elements, a simple compound derived from a reaction of hydrogen and oxygen, the only difference is that the organic chemistry of life even though of common causality is highly intricate.

So how did this chemistry occur? was our direct existence a work of clay moulding or sand forming Gods or an accidental causality of an uncharted random event?

For a longer period of human history and philosophy we have recognized Gods as the causes of organisms, attributed the distinct nature of organisms to an act of divine providence, most recently to a sinister project by extra-terrestrials in another planet - all to figure or include a purpose to our baffling existence.

In the cosmic song of human enquiry of the origin of species one name crops up Anaximander ofMiletus, a friend of Thales,
A brilliant natural philosopher and radical one at that.

One of the lots who measured accurately the length of the year and seasons using sticks, first to make a celestial globe depicting star constellations, first Greek to make a sundial to measure time of the day.

Like many others in his time he believed the sun, stars and moons are fires burning in outer space visible through holes in the sky but also held a more differing view that the sky had no pillar or support but stands on it's own unmoving.

Anaximander evidently held on to many conventional scientific views of his time but his outre radical views will echo through out history, he made mention in the simplest way for the first time the inclination of an evolutionary origin of species and a spontaneous emergence of life.

He argued that if human babies were put on this planet only by themselves there would die off shortly therefore he proposed emergence of humans from other animals that spontaneously emerged from Mud, first of these emergence being fish.

He also believed in an infinite number of worlds all fully inhabited by varying species like earth.

As unconventional as his view was at that time, it gave credence to the audacious nature of our enquiry and philosophical leap, a leap Saint Augustine would later bemoan thus

" ‘did he[Anaximander], any more than Thales, attribute the cause of all this ceaseless activity to a divine mind?.’ "

A similar reaction tendered when after many centuries later, Charles Darwin and Russell Wallace proposed and championed the evolution of species by natural selection.

So the chemistry that began life on earth, how did it occur?

A subject still treated with so much uncertainty as to avoid diminishing errors that can be incurred by hasty conclusions, head ways has been made by experiments lighting a beacon to the nearness of the end of our enquiry.

It may be an act of divine providence, an act of alien intervention or yet still an accidental generation by natural ingredients with time.

A bothering question mark still lingers on the divine providence and alien intervention as the philosophical questions for the causality behind these sources becomes relevant- exempting them from causality is a dishonest clutch at special pleading therefore consonant with science and the philosophical art of honest enquiry.

Very many experiments leads an exciting journey towards abiotic - organic generation by very chaotic causality; Meteorites, on a very primaeval earth environment we would recognize as hostile to life.

Early earth environment was hot and was under violent bombardment from meteorites heating up a hellish condition from whence Life might possibly have begun.

life is based on an organic chemistry and organic compounds can be synthesized from inorganic compounds.

The origin of life as we know it must first begin with a very simple form of life, so simple that a unicellular organism of today would be too complex when compared to it.

It would be so simple that the only distinguishable trait between this simple form of life to every other thing or chemical compound around was that it had the ability to replicate and self organize but yet there are still instances of abiotic molecules exhibiting similar replicating trait - giving insight to how possibly the first organic adams must have emerged.

An experiment conducted by Miller Urey shows that by simulating the primaeval earth conditions - hot, charred, meteor washed, volcanic, oxygen-less, sulfuric, nitrogen and other values that constituted the early earth conditions, organic compounds can be synthesized from inorganic compounds and these organic compounds remarkably are the building blocks of the life we know.

Earth is dated at approximately 4.5billion years just like every other planet in our system, fossil records of the earliest known evidence of microbial life on earth dates to 3.5billion years, possibly life may have began much earlier.

Through out the course of our planet's history meteors have bombarded in different magnitude of different timelines, perhaps these little celestial bullets wreaking of catastrophe may not be a 'not too bad' deal after all.

Complex organic molecules has been found of meteorites on earth, possibly these organic compounds were created at the earliest stage of the solar system stuck on randomly dancing celestial objects even planets.

Earth's abundant organic compound necessary for life may not necessarily been earth born but was an alien bombardment from outer space by a seeming unfriendly meteorite serving as a biological space ship for organic compounds condemned by fate to be the seeder of planet earth.

An experiment conducted to know the fate of an organic compound after the very hard meteor impact - a similar compound was injected in a metal container and shot with a canon at exact same impact force of a meteorite, remarkably contrary to expectations the organic compounds were not annihilated but rather became even more complex -amino acids.

Could these impacts possibly could have being the next step of Life's process?

If these hypothesis are somewhat correct then possibly life could be anywhere in the solar system, our galaxy or the universe.

Early earth was devoid of oxygen, these life forms thrived and photosynthesize for food birthing the oxygen contents of the earth, as the hydrogen and helium in the atmosphere were consistently lost to space due to earth's weak gravity unable to hold them, oxygen produced by these early life forms became a major part of earth's atmosphere.

Another step had been take, a vital ingredient that would determine the path of the evolutionary journey of these life forms.

These life forms would go through very slow development mainly because of radiation, assimilation and adaptation.

Most life on earth are quite identical in their nucleic information, the DNA of humans share very outlined similarity with that of a tree, this code of information accumulated over billions of evolutionary journey in reaction to several evolutionary factors, mutations re-writing the codes, changing the tunes of life and unknowingly and slowly a difference is born, a diversity in a simple oneness.

The genetic code turns out to be not quite identical in all parts of all organisms on the Earth. At least a few cases are known where the transcription from DNA information into protein information in a mitochondrion employs a different code book from that used by the genes in the nucleus of the very same cell.

This points to a long evolutionary separation of the genetic codes of mitochondria and nuclei, and is consistent with the idea that mitochondria were once free-living organisms incorporated into the cell in a symbiotic relationship billions of years ago.

Synthesizing the organic building blocks of life seem to be quite simple for us to make in our laboratories but the chemistry of life still is so complex that making the organic building blocks of life is only but just 30% of the way that needs to be gone.

With each defying steps of curious alacrity we are taking gradual strides towards deriving certainty to the origin of how life came to be on earth - determining with crystal certainty the very origin of our own existence would sate a bugging curious thirst of unparalleled importance.

The songs we could derived being played from these old fossils backed up by our own confirmatory experiments shines a ray of hope to our undying lust to know, to listen to the cosmic song of our own emergence into the cosmic field.

Perhaps we are are almost on the verge of discovering the heartbeats of Adam.

Cc. Davien, lordnicklaus, HCpaul.. read and tender your honest opinions ... next episode updated shortly

STARRY SIGH [cosmopolitian]


A very dark and starry night, very loveable humidity, warm and the sky was clear as it was un-bothered by the pestering reflecting interferences of the moon.

I sat outside my house with a friend, a girl not few days ago.
. You could call it a romantic date on a basic sense.

We watched the stars, talked and talked until way into the night, i explained why the stars blinked, tried to teach her how to differentiate between planets and stars in the night sky, the night itself was very accommodating to our naive curious minds with sparkly eyes fixed at the heavens gazing at the twinkling lights.

"What if there are some other people in a world around one of these stars gazing at their night sky right now seeing our sun as another point of light in their sky, wondering just like us what the hell this universe is?" - I asked her all of a sudden.

She turned her gaze towards me, confused and obviously did not fully grasp the message of the question.

"What do you mean?" she asked.

I explained how our star is just another star like every other, that possibly almost all the stars we see at night have planets like our sun does and maybe just maybe some of them also have life forms thriving on them just like earth and probably a few species with similar curiosity of humans gazing at their sky asking the same question as we do.

Her eyes still looked lost, i doubt if she even understood the depth of the image i tried to paint, neither did she make out clearly the subtle colours i tried to make very well announced or the cosmic song i wanted her to listen to.

"John. You know sometimes both you and every other scientist out there are crazy" she laughed and said.

She was in doubt, more so unable to grasp the idea but i looked at her face as they turned again towards the sky, i could make out her eyes now wore a dreamy questioning look as they were fixed to the stars up above.

It was obvious her mind was now tinkering with the possibility of what she just heard, a wonderful new way to look at the cosmos was obviously at infancy in her mind.

My most recent romantic date [if i can call it that]


If people sat outside and looked at the stars each night, i'll bet they'd live a lot differently. when you look into Infiniti, you'd realize there are more important things than what people do all day

Bill Waterson

Man has always fantasized about our place in the universe, if we were alone, if our plain of existence was the only there is, these speculations seeming to be painted in a subtle way by primitive humans as a pointers could be derived from ancient writings that possibly were suggesting extra-terrestrial visit.

Even also in the modern day world a new craze of unidentified flying object sightings and claims liter every corner of the planet most unsubstantiate as these are lend credence to our feverish excited anxiety to find out, to think or understand we are not alone, there are others out there just like us and more exciting they visit us.

In many science fiction movies, aliens [extra-terrestrials] are always in the lime light mostly depicted to be highly intelligent, small humanoids with very little difference from us.

This shows since we are only familiar with one kind of intelligent specie on earth that are technologically intelligent - humans. so almost our every idea of what an intelligent being should be like has a basis on the basic physicality of humans and earth based life forms.

Two eyes, nose and mouth all arranged in the same order as our, five or four digits, upright posture and others, we may be chauvinistic about these organizations as it is the way we are arranged but this doesn't make it a universal calibration.

Unless somehow we share a biological origin and similar evolutionary Journey with such an alien life, we cannot possibly be closely similar in such manner.

Life evolve to look the way it does as a direct reaction to the factors of evolutionary effects in it's environment.

Example: Organisms in a rocky planet with a much greater gravity than that of earth would have very bulky large legs if they ever had one of those or there'd have bulky large bodies without legs with very powerful muscle strength to aid locomotion and withstand the gravitational pull of their environment.

Through out the course of the history we have always tinkered with the possibility of life outside earth, our first port of speculation was the moon.

Johanness Kepler believed that there were several other worlds all fully inhabited, he also strongly believed the moon was inhabited by race of intelligent extra-terrestrials, that the moon environment was much like that of earth with oceans, mountains, oxygen.

He observed moon craters, impact craters caused by meteor impacts on the moon surface, a phenomena that leads to geometrical perfection, the perfect circles of these craters which he rightly pointed out where depressions and not mounds, he argued that only intelligent species can make something with such geometrical accuracy, the circles of the craters that were very well represented almost an every inch of the lunar surfaces he argued were designed by intelligent beings in the moon.

To Kepler he was seeing first hand an architectural design of lunar inhabitants, such circular shaped works could not have occurred by chance under random natural phenomena ruled by chance, the circular shape gave testimony to a high degree of order and accuracy only intelligent species were capable of achieving.

Not once did he imagine it could possibly have been just another random work of uncharted random nature
A falling rock of great speed [meteorite or asteroid] impacting on a surface would produce a local explosion, perfectly symmetric in all directions and would carve out a perfectly circular cavity

As a matter of fact this was the case, a basic natural chaotic action with an emerging pattern and not a design only achievable by intelligence.

Turns out nature is and always capable of making very perfectly geometrically patterns in the course of it's random violent interactions.

Anaximader also believed in an infinite number worlds that were fully inhabited.

Albertus Magnus, thirteenth century once remarked -
"Do there exist many worlds, or is there but a single world? This is one of the most noble and exalted questions in the study of Nature"

Another of likewise profound curiosity and boundless reach of a mind into the cosmological possibility was that of Giordano Bruno, a catholic priest of the 1600s who held views of an infinite number of worlds that are fully inhabited just like earth - for that he was burnt at the stake for heresy.

For a greater part of human history man knew there was no other place other than earth, no other world other than earth and a universe not more than the earth with a sun and the moon and the stars as ruling lights placed inside the firnaments of the earth - a good example is the ancient Jewish cosmogony found in the genesis creation myth.

then the more man looked into the deep sky, the more fascinating they turned out to be and he began to recognize other worlds, he began imagine outside the confines of his horizone.

through out the infancy of the scientific enterprise, theology and mysticism, astrology and metaphysics reigned in the class of the intellectuals.

there was an egocentric projection of the human mind, he looked to the heavens having not understand the activities that go on endlessly in the deep man imagine himself the center of universal purpose, man imagined himself the apex of creation.

He speculated a universe with earth as the center while the sun, moon and now recognized other worlds orbiting the earth - the geocentric solar system more effectively championed by the church.

But as we looked more into the vastness of the deep, a natural subtle picture became clearer and our ego was battered, our pride shreded.

The universe is so vast that and we are not the center of it, there is almost 200billion galaxies seeming no more than dots scattered in the ocean of space, trillion of a billion stars litering every corner and almost certainly a similar figure of planets.

As we shoved astrology aside and practised the true discipline of astronomy, we were humbled by our discovery, lost in the reality of our study.

Contrary to the egoistic view of a universal centered earth with man at the center of universal purpose leading to causality, we discovered that we are no more than a lost specie of accidental organisms thriving in a very small world wedded to an mediocre star in a small remote part of an average galaxy lost in the chasm of a humongous lot in a very small corner of an almost infinitely large cosmos.

Nothing humbled man and the ego of his beliefs more than the discipline of astronomy.

The universe may be teaming with life at every corner of it, some may be at the simplest crude form of organic matter capable of making copies of themselves, some in a little more complex yet microbial form, some dying off before advancing past the simple microbile form, some stuck in the indifferent reptilian level of consciousness, some may be at a level of self realization and improved consciousness, some possibly advanced enough to achieve technological intelligence like man while others may be light years ahead in technological advancement - these are staggering possibilities.

If the chemistry that gave birth to life on earth is one championed by the commonest materials there are in the universe, who says such chemistry cannot happen anywhere else in the universe.

Sunlight reacting with these same materials of life gave Jupiter it's reddish brown colour and titan a tarry organic compound within it's consitutents.

we may be chauvinistic about our present conditions on earth necessary for life but one truth is certain - we are only aware of one planet with life but it doesn't necessarily become a bench mark for universal manifestation.

there is no law that says 'life can only emerge in a condition like earth' we are only making such chauvinistic speculations because we are only familiar with life on earth, if we were martian life forms mars and it's conditions would still be our benchmark for measuring life possibilities in other worlds.

But we are getting to realize, there may be life anywhere else in the universe regardless of the condition. Early Earth was nothing like this, it was more hostile and hot, there is a specie on earth 'water bears' a microbial life form that can survive so well in an oxygen less environment and even in the very hostile environment of space.

Many microbes on earth has survived and thrived when subjected to exact same conditions found in Mars in the laboratory.

So it is an awe striking realization, life does not necessarily need a right condition to happen, it can emerge in anyway or any condition with the necessary chemistry in place.

If there is life on Jupiter even though we don't know if there are, they must be something Carl sagan described as Floaters applying the evolutionary mechanism of natural selection.

Jupiter is basically a ball of gas with an solid core that almost certainly is very hot, if there are life forms existing on jupiter then there must be light enough to float in the jovian atmosphere.

the life forms who become heavy in this evolutionary course would fall towards the core and die off, the lighter ones fully capable of staying afloat in the windy atmsophere would continue and thrive.

but the evolutionary lesson is very clear; No two life forms in distinct worlds can ever look the same, there can never be any other human species in this universe just like there cannot be other species anywhere else. Evolution is an intrinsic journey, if there was a tiny variation in our evolutionary journey we almost certainly wouldn't have developed into the humans we are today.

Very many technologies on earth, radio telescopes has been pointed out to every direction in space to listen feverishly for a strange radio signal that might be from civilizations who have advanced enough to make use of radio means.

Thousands of radio messages are also being sent out from earth carrying a little of earth music, langauge at the speed of light in a journey through the vastness of the deep hoping someone out there is listening.

China has recently put in place the last piece of the largest radio telescope aimed at enhancing our look out for extra-terrestrial radio messages.

Voyager 1 has travelled past the solar system, the farthest distance ever travelled by a man made craft, it surely has gone past the reach of our control drifting endlessly in an infinite ocean also carrying within it message from earth for a stroke of rare chance it gets found by another citizens of the cosmos.

But such fairly tiny hope is discouraging when considering the vastness of the universe and distances between the worlds outside our system but perhaps somewhere, somehow someone is listening in a feverish anticpation like we are.

There are very many other variable that limits our chances.

-what if these messages reaches a planet inhabited by species that are not yet up to a technological advancement therefore has no means to listen to our friendly outreach for other universal relations.

-what if it reaches a civilization every much advanced than us and has gone past the stage of using radio technologies - they'd still be deaf to our call. like trying to contact a smart phone using a telegram machine.

-what if very many of these intelligent species didn't survive further as technological adancement seem pointing at self destruction.

Even though our hope of finding extra-terrestrial civilization is but a slim one, supposing we somehow do not self destruct we may yet make a headway in the coming years.

Mars and titan stands as a curious beacon of hope in finding extra-terrestrial neighbours.

This cruel stroke of limitations of fate we are subjected to as an almost inexistent lot lost in the vastness of an unlimited cosmos searching for likewise too small lost blinks in the universal arena, subtle almost inaudible peeps in the cosmological orchestra, is one that is held on to with a painful faith with only the excitement of the result as a nudging factor.

A painful fate bemoaned by . -Colin Maclaurin, 1748 thus

The author of Nature . . . has made it impossible for us to have any communication from this earth with the other great bodies of the universe, in our present state; and it is highly possible that he has likewise cut off all communication betwixt the other planets, and betwixt the different systems . . . We observe, in all of them, enough to raise our curiosity, but not to satisfy it . . . It does not appear to be suitable to the wisdom that shines throughout all nature, to suppose that we should see so far, and have our curiosity so much raised . . . only to be disappointed at the end . . . This, therefore, naturally leads us to consider our present state as only the dawn or beginning of our existence, and as a state of preparation or probation for farther advancement . .

We may yet be surprised after all said and done, we may yet hear the sighs in the stars.

Great thread as usual. The search for extraterrestrials continue. Even an astronomer is quite certain that by 2025, questions concerning extraterrestrials would be answered. Stars still emit radio waves and this might be clue. But the chance of exoplanets habiting intelligent beings is quite slim as it has been shown that electric wind has an effect on climate and life. Electric wind caused Venus to lose most of its oceans and moisture and is probably responsible for the loss of ocean on Mars though some of its waters are frozen. The chance that life exists on exoplanets is quite dependent on re-ocurring life itself. Once a generation perishes and there is none to replace it, the planet automatically becomes uninhabitable due to absence of organic life which is quite based on hydrogen and carbon, if I am not mistaken. But if there exists life outside earth, they are probably wondering if there is life outside their planet.

Cc. johnydon22

lordnicklaus:
Great thread as usual. The search for extraterrestrials continue. Even an astronomer is quite certain that by 2025, questions concerning extraterrestrials would be answered.

I have my doubts on that, but we could have answered for sure if there exist life on Mars and probably Titan by then.

Stars still emit radio waves and this might be clue.

Yes stars emit radio waves, pulsa stars more so but a radio signal from an intelligent specie will be quite different from starry radio waves.

I doubt they could be a radio signal from stars when put into audio mode will be singing - we are the world by micheal Jackson.

so we are definitely will recognize a radio signal sent by an intelligent civilization if we get one.

But the chance of exoplanets habiting intelligent beings is quite slim as it has been shown that electric wind has an effect on climate and life.

Surely solar winds are dangerous to organic compounds but many planets have a magnetic field that protects them from these solar wind and ones that lack a magnetic shield, organic compounds can still survive below the surface, a place that recieves little sunlight.

Electric wind caused Venus to lose most of its oceans and moisture and is probably responsible for the loss of ocean on Mars though some of its waters are frozen.

we ars still unable to look into venus because of the so thick sulfuric cloud atmosphere but since this cloud permits little sunlight from escaping venus, it may then have no ocean since it will be so hot. In fact it is the hottest planet in the solar system.

You are correct about Mars, study on Mars is showing Mars was once a blue ocean filled planet like earth in it's ancient days, probably lost it's magnetic shield and all was lost.

The chance that life exists on exoplanets is quite dependent on re-ocurring life itself. Once a generation perishes and there is none to replace it, the planet automatically becomes uninhabitable due to absence of organic life which is quite based on hydrogen and carbon, if I am not mistaken.

plus Nitrogen and oxygen

The organic life on earth is based on Carbon as the block of the chemistry but this doesn't make it the only universal way- methane can also allow such complex chain also, in fact life on Titan if there be one probably is Methane based.

There can be life anywhere in this universe cus life doesn't necessarily require a given condition, i do not know of any such condition required since many life on earth defile such chauvinistic conditions and even early life forms on earth therefoee life rather emerges to adapt to it's environment if it'll surive, the ones that can't cope dies off - thats natural selection at a very basic simple level.

But if there exists life outside earth, they are probably wondering if there is life outside their planet.
Cc. johnydon22

Probably but like the Fermi's paradox asked " where is everybody?"

johnydon22:
I have my doubts on that, but we could have answered for sure if there exist life on Mars and probably Titan by then.

Yes stars emit radio waves, pulsa stars more so but a radio signal from an intelligent specie will be quite different from starry radio waves.

I doubt they could be a radio signal from stars when put into audio mode will be singing - we are the world by micheal Jackson.

so we are definitely will recognize a radio signal sent by an intelligent civilization if we get one.

Surely solar winds are dangerous to organic compounds but many planets have a magnetic field that protects them from these solar wind and ones that lack a magnetic shield, organic compounds can still survive below the surface, a place that recieves little sunlight.



we ars still unable to look into venus because of the so thick sulfuric cloud atmosphere but since this cloud permits little sunlight from escaping venus, it may then have no ocean since it will be so hot. In fact it is the hottest planet in the solar system.

You are correct about Mars, study on Mars is showing Mars was once a blue ocean filled planet like earth in it's ancient days, probably lost it's magnetic shield and all was lost.

plus Nitrogen and oxygen

The organic life on earth is based on Carbon as the block of the chemistry but this doesn't make it the only universal way- methane can also allow such complex chain also, in fact life on Titan if there be one probably is Methane based.

There can be life anywhere in this universe cus life doesn't necessarily require a given condition, i do not know of any such condition required since many life on earth defile such chauvinistic conditions and even early life forms on earth therefoee life rather emerges to adapt to it's environment if it'll surive, the ones that can't cope dies off - thats natural selection at a very basic simple level.


Probably but like the Fermi's paradox asked " where is everybody?"

Thanks for the corrections bro! But there is something I want you to clarify. Does polar reversal have effect on life on earth? I mean if the earth starts rotating clockwise like its twin Venus, does it have a tell on life?

lordnicklaus:


Thanks for the corrections bro! But there is something I want you to clarify. Does polar reversal have effect on life on earth? I mean if the earth starts rotating clockwise like its twin Venus, does it have a tell on life?

If you are asking as it stands now, the earth stops and reverses in a retrogade axial rotation then yes, if that happens the world as you know it is over though the only life forms with chances of survival are microbial forms.

But if you are referring if it'd have an effect on whether life could emerge on earth - then i'd say i doubt if it does.