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Icecomrade:
You were too hasty to make claim of atheism that you didn't see that part where she started that she never had a problem with her husbands believe not until he started rubbing it off her.

The influence it's having on her kids.

Religious tolerance which you advocate does not include taunting others sharing their believe as seen in the case where they were praying for a sick person.

We all have what we believe in. We must respect each other and keep the boundaries.

Am happy you ve sown seed of doubt in the mind of your kids. It's not my business, but since you made it part of this discussion, I wont hesitate to to say you may have done that too early.

Religion whether true or not helps to checkmate a lot of excesses.

Self conscience is most times not enough

Plz tell me which excesses religion has helped checkmate. Religion is what the colonialists used to fuel slave trade. Religion is what they used to justify the subjugation if blacks by telling us we are descendants of ham. Religion is the cause of terrorism and fanaticism. Religion was the reason Europe was in the dark ages before the enlightenment period rolled in. How come the more religious a country is, the poorer it is? How come countries like Japan that have a high prevalence of atheism is far developed and has less crime rates than the religious countries.

adegeye38:
ATHEISM IS A " RELIGION" FOR THE WEAK MINDED WHO ARE SCARED OF BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO A SUPREME BEING.

Sorry. The reverse is the case. Religion is for the weak minded who rather than investigate the occurrence of phenomena, chose to attribute it to a supernatural force thereby absolving themselves of responsibility.

No problem.

A time is coming when the only thing you will need to do is to pray. The time is fast approaching.

Atheists are just deceiving us. There is nothing like atheism.

It is a matter of time.

To mode ba de Bi eru, eru a ba.

It is when you have not seen problem, when you see problem that is beyond you, then you will realize that there is God indeed.

Reading through people's opinions and I dunno what to say plus I want to say something. Personally, I think people are just confused. What is the problem with christianity? Is it that you don't believe in a God or you don't like the way so called Christians and pastors act in relation to the word of God?

Mind you if the latter is the reason, then there is a problem really. It is true that Christianity now has been lemme say manipulated and there are counterfeit forms that in realness is not christianity. If it's the way Christians and pastors behave that is bothering you, you have the bible which you are using to show they are doing wrong. Use it to live the way you see it according to the bible. Theirs shouldn't discourage you. If that's your problem, I have to say you are just looking for a way to get out of Christianity to do and believe whatever you choose.

Secondly, if your problem is there is no proof of God and you don't believe God, fine! Now you are talking. Well like some of you raised, it's your belief and one can't easily change that plus that's the same way I'd feel if someone tried to convert me out of Christianity. You all want to see proof and all before you believe. You call those of us that just believe dumb and backward, African mentality blah blah. Well this thing is by faith. I'm not pushing you out of your beliefs, God knows I can't really. It's only God that can do that for you. Some things as humans we can't understand cause we just can't reason to that extent. Our mentality is seeing before believing. Beautiful! It's quite reasonable I must agree but that's really our level as humans.

The truth is that some of us as Christians are not Christians because we were raised up as one. We are Christians because we have seen something that made us remain as one. One thing I tell people, is if you really have an encounter with God, you might backslide and all but in all you remember God that you encountered that day. Please insult Christians all you want and our "poor mentality". Be an atheist, I can't convert you, won't dare try.

One more thing, when we read the bible, we should read with understanding and ask Holy Spirit to help us with that and not read plainly like it's a story book or science. Even science and all the rest we think are logical are not logical in all. Some things need to be answered. Let's just not be confused.

funny how theists accuse atheist of being aggressive and should keep quiet. but they're actually guilty of that.

you can never find atheists carry huge mega-phones to preach in the church, in public buses and on the streets. Atheists don't go about sharing hand bills and knocking on people's door to preach the gospel.

we're in the age of knowledge... not belief. Africans are now beginning to see the scam in the white man's religion.

afroxyz:
Sorry. The reverse is the case. Religion is for the weak minded who rather than investigate the occurrence of phenomena, chose to attribute it to a supernatural force thereby absolving themselves of responsibility.

From the perspective of an observant human...
What is nature?

What kind of rules govern nature?

What if nature itself is the manifestation of a simple entity(God) designing a complex universe?
and as scientists unravel the mysteries of the universe they are just unravelling the awesomeness of the creator in the form of nature?

What is time?

At what point did time begin?

If God had existed before the begining of TIME then it answers so many questions

1) God was never created cos there was no need for his creation.
2) he was existing before beginning began and will still be existing after the end hence he is the begining and also the end.
3) It is proven and accepted that whatever has a beginning will surely have an end, and the universe was designed in such a way that there is always a beginning and an end (in which the bible emphasized on). In which we are also witnessing tday.
Taking time to understand who God is, is essential.

Science and religion are not enemies, science can learn a lot from religion.

Do you know that as science unravels the mystery, the complexity, the awesomeness of the universe IT IS ONLY LOGICAL AND MUCH MORE EASIER TO BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD MORE THAN TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION, BIG BANG AND CHANCE THEORY.

AND DONT FORGET IT IS ONLY A THEORY...AN ASSUMPTION YET TO BE PROVEN.

LETS TAKE SPACE AS AN EXAMPLE
SPACE IS A GIGANTIC AND UNIMAGINABLE "SPACE" FILLED WITH GALAXIES, STARS ,COSMOS, SUN, BLACK HOLES, AND UNKNOWN ENERGY KNOWN AS DARK MATTER.

IT IS ONLY LOGICAL TO BELIEVE THAT NATURE IS A MANIFESTATION OF A SUPREME CREATOR, THAN TO USE A MATHEMATICAL THEORY TO TRY TO PROVE HOW THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED

IT TAKES A LOT OF FAITH TO BELIEVE TOTALLY WITHOUT DOUBT IN A THEORY AS LAME AS EVOLUTION AND BIG BANG THAN TO BELIEVE IN GOD

ATHEISM is a RELIGION
For the feeble minded who are scared about the possibility of being accountable to a supreme being

I LOVE SCIENCE A LOT, BUT I DONT THINK SCIENCE MAKES THE EXISTENCE OF GOD A DOUBT.
IT ONLY COMPLIMENT IT.

CONCLUSION:- science is still evolving there is still so much to learn and a lot of theories still to be proven( including evolution and big bang) and a lot of previous proven facts still to be disproven by new discoveries.

AS WE GO ABOUT UNRAVELING THE MYSTERY LETS KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
AND ITS BETTER TO LIVE YOUR LIFE LIKE THERE IS A GOD AND FIND OUT THERE IS ISN'T THAN TO LIVE YOUR LIFE LIKE THERE ISN'T AND LATER FIND OUT THERE IS.

PSALM 14 verse 1:The FOOL says in his heart, "GOD DOES NOT EXIST

FACT: my entire life is a big proof of God's existence.

ALL IN ALL THERE IS MORE TO THIS VERY COMPLEX UNIVERSE THAN WHAT WE SEE.

Dinakas:
Reading through people's opinions and I dunno what to say plus I want to say something. Personally, I think people are just confused. What is the problem with christianity? Is it that you don't believe in a God or you don't like the way so called Christians and pastors act in relation to the word of God?

Mind you if the latter is the reason, then there is a problem really. It is true that Christianity now has been lemme say manipulated and there are counterfeit forms that in realness is not christianity. If it's the way Christians and pastors behave that is bothering you, you have the bible which you are using to show they are doing wrong. Use it to live the way you see it according to the bible. Theirs shouldn't discourage you. If that's your problem, I have to say you are just looking for a way to get out of Christianity to do and believe whatever you choose.

Secondly, if your problem is there is no proof of God and you don't believe God, fine! Now you are talking. Well like some of you raised, it's your belief and one can't easily change that plus that's the same way I'd feel if someone tried to convert me out of Christianity. You all want to see proof and all before you believe. You call those of us that just believe dumb and backward, African mentality blah blah. Well this thing is by faith. I'm not pushing you out of your beliefs, God knows I can't really. It's only God that can do that for you. Some things as humans we can't understand cause we just can't reason to that extent. Our mentality is seeing before believing. Beautiful! It's quite reasonable I must agree but that's really our level as humans.

The truth is that some of us as Christians are not Christians because we were raised up as one. We are Christians because we have seen something that made us remain as one. One thing I tell people, is if you really have an encounter with God, you might backslide and all but in all you remember God that you encountered that day. Please insult Christians all you want and our "poor mentality". Be an atheist, I can't convert you, won't dare try.

One more thing, when we read the bible, we should read with understanding and ask Holy Spirit to help us with that and not read plainly like it's a story book or science. Even science and all the rest we think are logical are not logical in all. Some things need to be answered. Let's just not be confused.

If Science like most Atheist believe in says that humans use only 10% of their brain, and the only animal that use 20% of her brain is the dolphin. is it not also possible that the remaining 90% is purely what we can't begin to understand.

ronkebp:
My dear if you are a true christian, then you will know what to do. Don't allow the devil to destroy your home by his pranks. The most annoying part is that as a christain once you are married you cannot, divorce your spouse on religion grounds, so if you are thinking it, do away with that thought.

My advice, pray for him specially, remember the Bible, if God does not call them to Himself, there is nothing you can do. My dear this is the time for you to tighten up your belt, if you would normally sleep for 8 hours at night, reduce it to 6 so that you can be up praying for two hours, even if it is 30 mins, God answers, You need to pray for him ( your hubby) that God should show HIMSELF in his life for your sake and that of your children.
Who knows if God allowed the marraige so that you can stand in the gap for him. Do not let you faith to be affected, God will always come through.
Don't argue with him over anything, just smile when he starts to quote wikipedia or guiness world book of record, still love keep loving him, The Lord is your strength.

God is truly Amazing in that he is willing to allow his own creation refuse to accept his existence. But u need to continue praying for God's revelation to him!!

Martartins:
If Science like most Atheist believe in says that humans use only 10% of their brain, and the only animal that use 20% of her brain is the dolphin. is it not also possible that the remaining 90% is purely what we can't begin to understand.

Totally right well like you said you can't begin to argue with an atheist. I found that to be true. Besides there are better things to channel that energy to

goodguygonebad:
Your acceptance of the existence of a supreme being disqualifies you from being an atheist. Hope you know that??

When did I state I'm an atheist?

I am a marriage counselor and a Christian. Whatever anybody says about your loving husband is their business! Don't let it get to you. They are third parties in your marriage. They will destroy your marriage if you let them.

No matter what, your Atheistic husband is the bone of your bones and the flesh of your flesh. Period!

Make light of his new attitude. Don't forget that you too have changed from a nominal Christian to a serious Christian.

No human beings can change him. No one can..and that's the truth. ENJOY your Husband, Enjoy your Marriage. If you attempt to directly or indirectly change your husband, you will DESTROY your marriage.


What you should do is not simple and I will not lie to you.

1. Love your husband UNCONDITIONALY
2. Let the Fruit of the Holy Spirit abound in you.
3. Pray DEEP prayers for your husband in your closet.
4. Be the Spiritual Father to your Children?
4. Show your children that you love them.

Read and Understand the Arguments of Atheists and obtain BOTH Logical and Spiritual explanations, illustrations and examples to help them understand the fact that the dimension of the spirit and GOD exists.

You have to be strong spiritually as you can no longer be the "my pastor says". You need to understand the theology of your believe about Christ.

Martartins:
If Science like most Atheist believe in says that humans use only 10% of their brain, and the only animal that use 20% of her brain is the dolphin. is it not also possible that the remaining 90% is purely what we can't begin to understand.

Point to me a piece of research that authored those figures.

Or you just pulled it out of ur he-say-she-say imagination?

@OP,

MADAM!!! MADAM!!! MADAM OOOHHH!!! I called out to you 3 times!!! There is something I need to tell you!!!............................KEEP YOUR WICKED CHURCH MEMBERS AWAY FROM YOUR MARRIAGE, AND DO NOT LET THEM GIVE YOU A FREE MEMBERSHIP CARD INTO THEIR PRIVATE CLUB OF THE MISERABLE!!!

1.The heart attack was a life and death situation, it was only normal for him to react that way!!! I have seen situations whereby a "HOT SLAP" would have been given to the foolish fool who tried to use prayer(talking to plastic chair), to treat cardiac arrest!!!

2.MADAM!!! How dare anyone insinuate that your husband is a cultist?!!! Where is the evidence?!!! Don't they know that they can be sued for slander?!!! This is a by product(or should I say 'waste product'), of religious indoctrination!!! It brings in full blown ILLITERACY!!! Only a super oloshi will equate atheism to cultism!!!

3.MADAM!!! I am in a Whatsapp group that is 60 % atheists and 40% believers!!! In that group, the person who insults religious people the most is a Doctor, just like your husband!!! You wanna know why? Because he is a first class witness to all the deaths and atrocities causes by religious buffoonery!!! Many women have died needlessly in the hospital, because their church members rejected a life-saving blood transfusion on the woman's behalf!!!

4.MADAM!!! Your church members must be the biggest hypocrites to complain that your husband insulted their religion, when it is written in their bible, "THE FOOL SAYS IN HIS HEART BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"!!!...............................How can christians, who eat grass like goats, claim that Atheists are fools?!!!

PS: Madam, what you have in your hand, is what a thousand other women are dreaming of!!!

Mikollon1:
Point to me a piece of research that authored those figures.
Or you just pulled it out of ur he-say-she-say imagination?

Go and ask Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison

ronkebp:
My dear if you are a true christian, then you will know what to do. Don't allow the devil to destroy your home by his pranks. The most annoying part is that as a christain once you are married you cannot, divorce your spouse on religion grounds, so if you are thinking it, do away with that thought.

My advice, pray for him specially, remember the Bible, if God does not call them to Himself, there is nothing you can do. My dear this is the time for you to tighten up your belt, if you would normally sleep for 8 hours at night, reduce it to 6 so that you can be up praying for two hours, even if it is 30 mins, God answers, You need to pray for him ( your hubby) that God should show HIMSELF in his life for your sake and that of your children.
Who knows if God allowed the marraige so that you can stand in the gap for him. Do not let you faith to be affected, God will always come through.
Don't argue with him over anything, just smile when he starts to quote wikipedia or guiness world book of record, still love keep loving him, The Lord is your strength.

@yolandy dis ^^^ is d best advice. follow it jeje.

Martartins:
Go and ask Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison

Go and ask them what?

If you had access to the piece of literature, you would have put up the link.

Bye kid. You aren't bright.

plaetton:
Madam, this is exactly the problems we athiest have with religion.You have a loving husband whom you have loved and admired all this while and who has also loved you uncoditionally despite your religiousity.Now you are just beginning to feel uncomfortable about his athiesm. Why? Because of what others (religious folks ) are insinuating? Why is so hard to tolerate people who do not share your religious beliefs? Would you have prefered to be married to the so-called born again religous pretenders who outwardly profess regiousity but whose hearts are dark pits, than to a non-petensious reality-oriented man whose heart and mind is transparent to you at all times?

Have you reckoned that the problem might be with you and the increase in your religious zeal? Are you surprised that your pastor does not like him? How do u expect a pastor to like someone whom he cannot manipulate and sap? You are exhibiting the typical symptoms. Soon they will start seeing visions and prophesies about how your husband is evil and is going to do this or that to you and your children.
There is nothing in this world that divides people more than religion. Religion can destory your home if you allow it to do so.Your home should be your church. The love of your husband and children should be your sanctuary.
I guarantee that You cannot find in a church, what you cannot find in your home-namely love,sincerity,respect and peace.

I am an athiest who is married to a born again wife. I made my position know from the start and we have lived happily. I go to church with her from time to time. But I have grown waery of the "name it and claim it" theology of the pentecostal preachers,so I do not go anymore. I put my foot down on no night vigils, retreats,house fellowships, and midweek service. Otherwise, I try not to interfere. I find that is her church members who always want to make our religious difference an issue. I always put them in their right place.
As for my children, I have already succeeded in planting seeds of doubts in thier young minds, which for me ,is sufficient enough to help them develope the healthy skeptism necessary to intelligently discern life and reality, hopefully, from both a philosophycal and scientific perspectives rather than from religious perspective.

I do not see any problems in you family except the one that your religious peers are pressuring you to create.
Take note that the increase in your religious zeal is and will be directly proportional to the level of tension,resentment and ultimately, distrust in your household. I hope you make wise decisions.

GBAM! GBAM! GBAM!

Permit me to say that the above is just spot on. I think you may have unconsciously changed and not your hubby.

You are lucky to have such a tolerant man. He allows you your freewill and expression. I also think he deserves his space in this regard. And why chastise him for expressing himself publicly. We all do the same and defensively too. What is good for the goose..........!!!!!!

Methinks there is enough space for every religious inclination without unnecessary bickering arising most times from a deep seated insecurity or inferiority.

My advice is that you should protect your loving husband from your religious fanatics who feel that everybody must be like them. If there is love between the two of you as you have expressed it why allow interlopers to invade your family space?

In my time I have met many atheist and agnostic (including the supposed secret cultists) husbands and I daresay they may prove better partners to us born again wives of especially the Pentecostal acclaim than the rest of men.

Just saying and it is strictly my opinion.

Pray more and talk to him more..

Once a man has that innermost awakening about religion, there's no going back. Sickness or death or poverty or misfortunes might try to scare you but at the end, the folly of believing in an arbitrary, vengeful god makes you conclude those are the very things religion uses to whip members into line.

harakiri:
@Yolandy



Okay. . .




Is there a problem with that? You make it sound like he's become gay overnight. Are Theists (religious folks like yourself) not outspoken about their belief in religion? Why can't he be outspoken about his disbelief in religion? Hmmm?



All you've said so far points to the fact that you have a husband most women out there would kill for. Tell me. . .which do you prefer? A man who goes to church almost every day of the week, prays fervently morning and night and yet, he still cheats on you OR a man who is very open with you, does his duties as a man and has proved beyond every reasonable doubt that he loves you and the kids and is here for keeps? I still don't get it. How does being religious transform into being a "good person"? Everything you've said about your husband defines him as a good person but it seems you're looking for something to complain about (like all women do) and now, it's his disbelief in religion. Can you honestly look inward and tell yourself that your husband isn't a much better and morally upright man than all those hypocrites in your church who will carry 20kg bibles,sing aloud to the lawd,pay all the offerings and tithes,speak in tongues and after closing hour, they will head off to the hotel where their mistresses are lodged?



I don't mean to blow the trumpet but i am yet to see ONE atheist whose IQ isn't above average. Most (if not all) Atheists are intelligent folks. A lot of us (especially those of us born into deeply religious backgrounds) dumped religion after a lot of brain storming,background research,inconsistencies in biblical tales and the total irreconcilable patterns of religion (Christianity in this case) of this age with what's depicted in the bible. There are others however who were born into non-religious households (e.g Europeans) and therefore the concept of any religion would be completely absurd to them (it's like telling them the tooth fairy exists! ! !).



I can understand how you feel about the situation. There are also times when i lose it and go ballistic like your husband is doing right now ESPECIALLY when i'm constantly hen pecked by religious folks who don't even know their bibles half as i do. It's irritating. Imagine how irritated you would be if a Buddhist/Taoist was desperately trying to convert you to their religion (annoying right?). Now imagine how A NON-RELIGIOUS PERSON who doesn't give a damn about any supernatural beliefs would feel! ! ! Put yourself in his shoes for 5mins.




There's a saying :

HUMAN BEINGS FEAR WHAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HATE WHAT THEY CANNOT CONQUER! They dislike him because. . .? What? He refuses to be a gullible religious vegetable? What? Now they say he's in a cult (Wow! And i thought i was the only one who has been unfortunate enough to have Nigerian-home-video-religious-zombies peddle false rumors to taint my image). Your pastor and friends don't like him? So what? Must he buckle under all because YOU WANT him to please you,your friends and Oga Pastor? A lot of the people whose opinion you consider so highly don't even have half the happiness you have in your marriage. Some of the women gossiping to you probably have other rivals "outside" who their husbands have impregnated. Dey there dey listen to outside ppl you hia? Your eyes go soon clear.



YES! They are all stories and your husband doesn't want his children growing up believing lies and made up nomadic goat herder stories from the medieval age.



You "CONFRONTED" him? Don't the kids belong to him as well? Oh. . .So you are the lord of the house abi? Is that what the bible stipulates?



So telling them the truth is now tantamount to poisoning. Wonderful! The bible says the world is flat and four cornered. With all the education you've recieved, can you honestly say this is true? The bible says a virgin can get pregnant without having $ex? If you hear such a story today, would you believe it? The bible says a man can live in the belly of a fish/whale for 3 days without air,food or water. . .and you believe that right? The bible says 5,000 people can be fed with only 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish and you believe it (something me and my younger brother can consume). The bible says a man parted the red sea with his bare hands and you believe. The bible says a man dead for 3 days (with his intestines removed according to the custom) can be resurrected and you believe all that. The bible says donkeys can talk (remember the story of Balaam?). The bible says does "shall not kill" and yet in that same bible, the biblical god ordered "his people" to attack/invade foriegn lands,kill,burn and plunder the cities to the ground. In today's day and age, these are crimes tantamount to assault,murder,genocide,rape,battert,arson and armed robbery. It's all there in the bible but you people pretend not to see it. You believe all these stories because you were taught to believe them from childhood. You believe all these stories because the white man brought the bible and anything from "obodo-oyibo" is genuine. Funny thing is, these same white folks don't even take Christianity as serious as we do. Nigeria is officially the most religious country in the world and yet so much wickedness and strife pervades the land. What does that tell you? Hmmm?

The bible says Jesus came,died and all things are passed away. If that's the case, why do the so called "Men of fraud Gawd" revert to Malachi 3:10 when coaxing the congregation to give more tithes and offerings? Why do they select the juicy/profitable parts of the bible and leave the "nasty" parts e.g the eye for an eye laws? Hmmm? Tongue tied?

From the book of Matthew to Revelation, can you quote ONE single passage where Jesus asked for tithes or offerings after preaching to the congregation? Hmmm? A lot of "Pastors" tell lies about Jesus and his disciples/apostles being rich men. Is that so? Jesus is depicted as wandering on foot throughtout samaria,nazareth,bethlehem and Jerusalem and he was constantly on the run from his enemies (the pharisees). Does this depict the life of a rich man? Hmmm? Paul and Silas were so dead broke that they couldn't afford to give alms to the begging cripple. What does that tell you? Hmmm? Can you compare this with the flamboyant lifestyles of the so called "men of god" you see around you? It's a no-brainer Oyedepo can afford FOUR private jets.

I can go on and on. . .but you get the picture. Remain religious if you want to but if you think you can impose your delusions on your husband, then you are asking for problems. It's like asking him to believe Santa Claus is real all because Christmas is real.

Use your head woman and quit look for problems that don't exist (unless you are ready to break your home).

End of!

Well said sir, I am a Christian and i have an atheist brother. He turned atheist five yrs ago and that doesn't change my love for him. People see him in his office as one mini devil but he doesn't give a Bleep. I love him so much that i don't tolerate complains from outsiders abt his belief. I honestly don't know when people will realize everyone (adult) has right to belief and religion. And funny enough i have a younger brother priest too...... can't help but laugh when dey both argue, it's fun sometimes..... Now to that madam(op) don't accommodate gossips especial abt ur hubby and family, the greatest commandment in the bible is love and ur hubby has given u that, give him back and stay focused.

plaetton:
Madam...

with the above ^^ I can say we have at least 161 + 22 atheist on Nairaland.

OP yolandy Dont Listen to him his ideas are different from yours. Follow what is down here

ronkebp:
My dear if you are a true christian, then you will know what to do. Don't allow the devil to destroy your home by his pranks. The most annoying part is that as a christain once you are married you cannot, divorce your spouse on religion grounds, so if you are thinking it, do away with that thought.

My advice, pray for him specially, remember the Bible, if God does not call them to Himself, there is nothing you can do. My dear this is the time for you to tighten up your belt, if you would normally sleep for 8 hours at night, reduce it to 6 so that you can be up praying for two hours, even if it is 30 mins, God answers, You need to pray for him ( your hubby) that God should show HIMSELF in his life for your sake and that of your children.
Who knows if God allowed the marraige so that you can stand in the gap for him. Do not let you faith to be affected, God will always come through.
Don't argue with him over anything, just smile when he starts to quote wikipedia or guiness world book of record, still love keep loving him, The Lord is your strength.

Anayordike:
Honestly speaking you are not an atheist. You simply hate the manner in which some religious charlatans project religious beliefs and what have you. Even most people who claimed to be atheists are not what they claimed to be. What most of the self acclaimed atheist have is religious phobia and resentment. And most cases their grudges against religion derives from pride. Most of the atheists are full of themselves and feeling that they are too educated, civilized, wide travelled etc. No wise person will ever denial the existence of God the creator who created him and all the things in the universe. "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" (Psalm 14:1)
@the Poster, you may take part of the advise from him. But most importantly you have nothing to worry if you know the God you are serving. Pray for him always. Never hate him. The destinies of you kids are not in the hands of your hubby. The heart of a king is God's hand and he turns it whithersoever He wills. Relax soon you will hear him calling out to God for mercy.

I just stumbled on this post today and your comment caught my attention so permit my quote and rejoinder.

You do not have empirical proof that "most" atheists are phobic, proud or full of themselves. It is understandable that you think this is the case but you must not make your hypothesis into fact without the validity of a statistical exercise that can be tested independently.

My paragraph above is how empirical minds operate and many enlightened atheists operate this way. The very origin of knowledge is questioning the norm; Why is the sky blue? Why is the sea salty? Why are leaves green? Why do animals die? How did water get into the coconut? How far away is the sun? Why do i get hungry? The critical difference between atheists and religious folks is that atheists keep the questions up and continue to be inquisitive while religious folks have mostly closed the chapter with the believe in what the "book" says and the comfort that outstanding knowledge will all be relieved when "we get to heaven". This idea that all will be well in "heaven" is a vital pull for religious people while it appears rather ludicrous and Utopian to atheists.

What am I on about? You don't understand atheists if you disregard their confidence as pride or their belief as vain glory. You dislike atheists, even. You must love atheists as sensible atheists must love you too. Anything else will make you and any abusive atheist ignorant bigots who must be pitied. I am an atheist. I am decidedly so on my own volition from my point of view. It makes sense to me and I have confidence in my world view. I am a pluralist too and for this, i appreciate religion and all of the other diverse philosophies of mankind. Life is a market place and as such, the more the merrier.

As for @OP, it is such a long time from 2012 now. I hope you are still around and I hope your family is still intact and blissful. Be a good Christian as your man is a good atheist. At the end of the day, it is not the cassock or the hijab that maketh a good man but the love in his heart and the kindness of his ways. Remember the bible story of the good Samaritan? It is in the bible for a reason, to teach the fervent Christian that despite your zeal, you could be so so wrong.

Enjoy your life while you have it. wish you well.

Mikollon1:
Go and ask them what?

If you had access to the piece of literature, you would have put up the link.

Bye kid. You aren't bright.

It is a century old scientific myth of which some have refuted and some have supported. It is the same concern i have with you Atheist about the bible.

About how you misinterpret it and use it to fill your own context. for the simple reason of using it to argue baselessly.

Well I just did that,and you say " I am not bright.". I really appreciate your cynicism and for calling me a kid.

"god is love"... But his children hate (& kill) people who don't believe in him... Well...if he exists, he must be really proud of you all.

harakiri:
@Yolandy

we have the same mentality.
i find it hard to unleash myself without being refer to as a mad man to mu colleague.

i refuse to be brainwashed, i want to stand my ground on what i believe in just like Abraham in the bible, The God of nature, Science.something i can see physically, logically and have meanings.

i was born a muslim, and i believe i dont have to follow some rules and believe in some myth before i can get things done. it is so hard to explain to my people

When I saw the year of this thread, I was like is the mod high on something or what? . I now read through carefully and saw ' mutter's comment. Interesting though, everyone to their opinion. I am a MUSLIM and can not imagine myself dating or marrying with someone who is not a Muslim. One of the Reason(s) based on Topic...

God ll' see u thru OP...and wish you can comment on the thread at the moment....I want to believe its settled now. its a long time anyway

@ Op, face ur family and love ur hubby. I have an atheist and a priest in my family and neither me nor my priest brother conderm him but love him and respect his beliefs as well. After all, love is the greatest commandment in the bible and hubby had given u that so what's ur prb biko? I can't and don't tolerate anyone talking bad about my atheist brother so its amazing how u let dem talk abt ur hubby like that, d bible did not teach us to judge others, it annoys me alot when people don't mind dia biz and respect other's beliefs knowing fully well that there's freedom of religion and belief and every adult can choose what dey want. I get sick of protestants asking why do u bow down to the cross or mary images, now how on earth is that their biz? After all i don't care why dey worship their pastors or hit their hands on the wall while praying. Think it's time people learnt how to mind their biz.

yolandy:
I have been around here for a while. I just created this new id to relate my problems here.

My husband of over 6 years has now become an outspoken atheist. He has been one all along but he has been keeping it on the low. He opened up to me and told me 3 years after we got married. I was shocked but there was nothing I could do. He wasn't really a religious person before we got married and I wasn't as well(I was much more religious than him even at that time). I began to take my religion very seriously after we got married. Now I have an amazing relatioship with God. I take it very seriously, and I put God first in my life. My husband does not. He doesn't rub his atheism on my face, we don't talk about religion, even when we do, it is always me that brings it up but, he sometimes listens and sometimes dismiss what I am saying with a wave of hand or with a laugh. He is a very good man and an excellent husband, he takes very good care of me and my 2 kids, he loves us to death, and does his duty as a father and a husband excellently. I can't wish for a better man.

He is not the type to engage in and argument over religion because he is very smart and always wins. I have seen 3 people engage him and they ended up losing the argument to him. He is widely read and cleaver so I can't even go into an argument with him. His mind is already made up. The problem I have right now is that he is becoming outspoken about his unbelief, back in the days he just keeps it to himself, these days I see him openly mocking and deriding pastors, believers, and anything that has to do with religion and I am not comfortable with that. Last week his elder brother had a heart attack(we live in the same estate), while his brother's wife and family were praying for him, my husband who is a doctor came and told them to shut up and allow him do what he can, he said instead of wasting their time praying to an imaginary God they should go and get the car ready to take him to the hospital because taking him to the hospital is what will save his life not some empty prayers to an imaginary God. Every body was shocked. His actions like these get me very worried. He is now very open about his unbelief and uses it to mock people that come to talk to him about God or religion. Most people I know now dislike him greatly for his unbelief. Rumors are circulating that he is in a secret cult. My pastor and friends in church don't like him. His family dislike him as well but they can't confront him. People now see me as "the wife of that devil" and I am not comfortable with it at all.

Some days ago I over heard him suggesting to my 6 years old son that the stories in the Bible are mere stories. It started when my son asked him why he doesn't pray together with us. I confronted him and he said he just wanted the boy to know how he feels about the Bible. He then said he will wait for our kids to grow up some more before letting them know his position. But I fear with his present outspoken attitude, he will try to poison their young minds and tell them that all the stories inside the Bible are all lies the way he tells any body that comes his way to either preach to him or engage him in any discussion about religion. We aren't having any problems now but I fear that his increasing outspokenness about his atheism will bring problems in our marriage sooner or later. I just hope he will keep quite and keep everything to himself they way he used to before but he won't. I have talked to him but he won't listen. He doesn't go about telling people that they should become atheist like him, but the way he goes about mocking religion and believers when ever the topic comes up is driving me mad. I really fear for our kids. What if something happens to me? I know my kids will become atheist like him, because he will poison their minds. What do I do now? I am really confused. I need advice from matured minds here. Please this should not be taken to the front page. I just want to read the contributions of the matured minds in here. Thank you

My summary is this : Your husband has noticed a particular flaw in you that's making him more outspoken with his religion, firstly check yourself...and am not saying you act all S.U around him just do some internal check upon yourself then lastly pray for your husband! God still sits on the throne in heaven, he will answer.
P.S Don't think you can change him...never think so!

I wish, and really so wish there's a thread for intelligent, scholarly and empirical discussion on this matter. I am a theist, and I don't shy away from intellectual discussion with atheist or agnostics whatsoever.

Meanwhile, I will drop one of my favourite quotes that addresses the thoughts of atheists on the issue of good and evil. Listen to Ravi Zacharias

"A common objection to the existence of God goes something like this: "There cannot be a God, because there is too much evil in this world."
Here's the problem with that objection. When you say there's too much evil in this world you assume there's good. When you assume there's good, you assume there's such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral Law Giver, but that's Who you're trying to disprove and not prove. Because if there's no moral Law Giver, there's no moral law. If there's no moral law, there's no good. If there's no good, there's no evil."

Peace out for now

yolandy:
I have been around here for a while. I just created this new id to relate my problems here.

Madam I understand perfectly what u re passing through,all I can say is God will touch him,u see only a fool will say there is No God,be calm,talk to him in a good manner,don't be rude,most nigerian pastors re not helping matters also but what can we say,Jesus is the light of the world,and anybody that does not believe in him is doomed,for ur sake heaven will visit him,I love the fact that he's very smart,I will share one conversation between a professor and eistein here,try and engage him but during happy hour,about being a cultist I don't believe he belong to any,even cultist known that there is God.keep calm,be prayerful and behave as a christian woman God will touch him

Martartins:
It is the same concern i have with you Atheist about the bible.

When did I state I'm an atheist?

harakiri:
@Yolandy



Okay. . .




Is there a problem with that? You make it sound like he's become gay overnight. Are Theists (religious folks like yourself) not outspoken about their belief in religion? Why can't he be outspoken about his disbelief in religion? Hmmm?



All you've said so far points to the fact that you have a husband most women out there would kill for. Tell me. . .which do you prefer? A man who goes to church almost every day of the week, prays fervently morning and night and yet, he still cheats on you OR a man who is very open with you, does his duties as a man and has proved beyond every reasonable doubt that he loves you and the kids and is here for keeps? I still don't get it. How does being religious transform into being a "good person"? Everything you've said about your husband defines him as a good person but it seems you're looking for something to complain about (like all women do) and now, it's his disbelief in religion. Can you honestly look inward and tell yourself that your husband isn't a much better and morally upright man than all those hypocrites in your church who will carry 20kg bibles,sing aloud to the lawd,pay all the offerings and tithes,speak in tongues and after closing hour, they will head off to the hotel where their mistresses are lodged?



I don't mean to blow the trumpet but i am yet to see ONE atheist whose IQ isn't above average. Most (if not all) Atheists are intelligent folks. A lot of us (especially those of us born into deeply religious backgrounds) dumped religion after a lot of brain storming,background research,inconsistencies in biblical tales and the total irreconcilable patterns of religion (Christianity in this case) of this age with what's depicted in the bible. There are others however who were born into non-religious households (e.g Europeans) and therefore the concept of any religion would be completely absurd to them (it's like telling them the tooth fairy exists! ! !).



I can understand how you feel about the situation. There are also times when i lose it and go ballistic like your husband is doing right now ESPECIALLY when i'm constantly hen pecked by religious folks who don't even know their bibles half as i do. It's irritating. Imagine how irritated you would be if a Buddhist/Taoist was desperately trying to convert you to their religion (annoying right?). Now imagine how A NON-RELIGIOUS PERSON who doesn't give a damn about any supernatural beliefs would feel! ! ! Put yourself in his shoes for 5mins.




There's a saying :

HUMAN BEINGS FEAR WHAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HATE WHAT THEY CANNOT CONQUER! They dislike him because. . .? What? He refuses to be a gullible religious vegetable? What? Now they say he's in a cult (Wow! And i thought i was the only one who has been unfortunate enough to have Nigerian-home-video-religious-zombies peddle false rumors to taint my image). Your pastor and friends don't like him? So what? Must he buckle under all because YOU WANT him to please you,your friends and Oga Pastor? A lot of the people whose opinion you consider so highly don't even have half the happiness you have in your marriage. Some of the women gossiping to you probably have other rivals "outside" who their husbands have impregnated. Dey there dey listen to outside ppl you hia? Your eyes go soon clear.



YES! They are all stories and your husband doesn't want his children growing up believing lies and made up nomadic goat herder stories from the medieval age.



You "CONFRONTED" him? Don't the kids belong to him as well? Oh. . .So you are the lord of the house abi? Is that what the bible stipulates?



So telling them the truth is now tantamount to poisoning. Wonderful! The bible says the world is flat and four cornered. With all the education you've recieved, can you honestly say this is true? The bible says a virgin can get pregnant without having $ex? If you hear such a story today, would you believe it? The bible says a man can live in the belly of a fish/whale for 3 days without air,food or water. . .and you believe that right? The bible says 5,000 people can be fed with only 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish and you believe it (something me and my younger brother can consume). The bible says a man parted the red sea with his bare hands and you believe. The bible says a man dead for 3 days (with his intestines removed according to the custom) can be resurrected and you believe all that. The bible says donkeys can talk (remember the story of Balaam?). The bible says does "shall not kill" and yet in that same bible, the biblical god ordered "his people" to attack/invade foriegn lands,kill,burn and plunder the cities to the ground. In today's day and age, these are crimes tantamount to assault,murder,genocide,rape,battert,arson and armed robbery. It's all there in the bible but you people pretend not to see it. You believe all these stories because you were taught to believe them from childhood. You believe all these stories because the white man brought the bible and anything from "obodo-oyibo" is genuine. Funny thing is, these same white folks don't even take Christianity as serious as we do. Nigeria is officially the most religious country in the world and yet so much wickedness and strife pervades the land. What does that tell you? Hmmm?

The bible says Jesus came,died and all things are passed away. If that's the case, why do the so called "Men of fraud Gawd" revert to Malachi 3:10 when coaxing the congregation to give more tithes and offerings? Why do they select the juicy/profitable parts of the bible and leave the "nasty" parts e.g the eye for an eye laws? Hmmm? Tongue tied?

From the book of Matthew to Revelation, can you quote ONE single passage where Jesus asked for tithes or offerings after preaching to the congregation? Hmmm? A lot of "Pastors" tell lies about Jesus and his disciples/apostles being rich men. Is that so? Jesus is depicted as wandering on foot throughtout samaria,nazareth,bethlehem and Jerusalem and he was constantly on the run from his enemies (the pharisees). Does this depict the life of a rich man? Hmmm? Paul and Silas were so dead broke that they couldn't afford to give alms to the begging cripple. What does that tell you? Hmmm? Can you compare this with the flamboyant lifestyles of the so called "men of god" you see around you? It's a no-brainer Oyedepo can afford FOUR private jets.

I can go on and on. . .but you get the picture. Remain religious if you want to but if you think you can impose your delusions on your husband, then you are asking for problems. It's like asking him to believe Santa Claus is real all because Christmas is real.

Use your head woman and quit look for problems that don't exist (unless you are ready to break your home).

End of!

[color=#000099][/color]for someone that claims to have an above average IQ ur points in your write up is so so mute... a whole lot of u prance about claiming to be atheists when in real sense you are all AGONISTS. The poor woman just stated how she felt and your response is no better than that coming from the church folk. It would be cool if we live in a world where our idiosyncrasies remain just that. For your info Malachi 3:10is not where the principle of tithing started if you hv actually spent time researching the bible you would know that, this is just as a side note.