₦airaland Forum

EzeNri:
Nobody is arguing that. Kwara is yoruba but what we want u oblong heads to know that kwara is a conquered territory, lost and gone forever, never to be ceded by the fulanis.

It is a conquered territory, paying allegiance to the Throne of Sokoto and there is nothing u oblongs can do about it.

The Fulanis did not and do not have the ability to go into war with the yorubas because they have been defeated then and now by the yorubas...olori pelebe,I am sure that you are from this 21st century FULANI REPUBLIC region...you and your people are immemorial and documented weaklings...

READ:
After reading the memorandum sent by the leaders of the Yoruba people of Kwara State to the National Conference, I must repeat much of what I once wrote in this column about the history of the Yoruba of Ilorin and of Kwara. The Fulani never conquered Ilorin nor invaded Yorubaland. These historical facts need to be emphasized and re-emphasized.

Ilorin was a small town in the Oyo Empire by the beginning of the 19th century. Afonja, Baale of Ilorin, who also held the title of Are Ona Kakanfo of the Oyo Empire, rebelled against his king, the Alafin of Oyo, in 1817. (There is no space here for the reasons for his rebellion). In order to sustain his rebellion, he was desperate to build a large and powerful army. To that end, he did a number of desperate things.

First, he invited the people of nearby villages to move to Ilorin and turn Ilorin into a large town. Many people so moved, but most refused.

Secondly, he reached out to many prominent friends all over the Oyo country, and invited them to come and live in Ilorin. Some accepted his invitation and came. Among these was a rich trader named Solagberu from Kuwo. Another was a man named Alimi, a Fulani man who had long lived in the Oyo country peddling charms from town to town. Afonja employed Alimi to make charms for him and his army.

Thirdly, Afonja decided to exploit a religious situation that was causing trouble in the country at the time. A Jihad movement had started in Hausaland in the north in 1804, generating wars and stormy Islamic evangelism there. It was started and led by an immigrant people called Fulani. The Fulani immigrants were few among the large Hausa nation, but very many of the Hausa who were already Muslims sided with the Fulani – and thus made it possible for the Fulani to defeat the ancient Hausa kings and make themselves rulers over Hausaland.

Some of the violent Jihadist preachers trickled south into the Oyo country. Everywhere they came, they were causing a lot of commotion by preaching violent and disrespectful sermons against the Oyo kings and chiefs, and against Yoruba culture in general. Yoruba people, with their tradition of religious tolerance, were alarmed; and angry crowds began to attack the preachers. Afonja decided to exploit the situation by issuing a general invitation to the Muslims to flee to him in Ilorin, promising to give them protection there. Thousands of frightened Muslims fled to Ilorin, and Afonja trained many of them for his army. (Afonja himself did not intend to convert to Islam, and he never did).

Fourthly, most rich Oyo families had Hausa, Nupe and Fulani slaves - used mostly in farming, trading, livestock rearing, etc. Most were Muslims.

Afonja decided to exploit this also. He issued a proclamation saying that if any slaves ran away from their owners and came to him in Ilorin, he would give them freedom and protection there. Large numbers of slaves, mostly Hausa, fled to Afonja, and he trained some of them for his army.

Afonja thus had his large town and large army. Most of his army’s commanders and soldiers were Oyo Muslims. A few of the soldiers were Muslim Hausa – all slaves recently set free by Afonja. But many of his Hausa soldiers were unruly. He warned or threatened them repeatedly, but with no result. When he at last decided to discipline them, they mutinied. Afonja was killed in the mutiny - in 1823.

Meanwhile, while Alimi had been making charms for the army, he had become a friend to many of the Oyo commanders who were Muslims, and these hadmade him Imam (Islamic teacher and preacher) for the Muslim community in the army. After Afonja›s death, the same friends gradually made their Imam the ruler of Ilorin. They also created some officers among the Hausa soldiers - for instance, Balogun Gambari. The powerful men doing all these things were Oyo.

That then is how Oyo people made a Fulani man the ruler of Ilorin. When Alimi died, his elder son, Abdulsalam, was elevated to his father’s position by his father›s powerful Oyo Muslim friends. Adulsalam had lived in the Jihad in Hausaland and had only recently come to live with his father in Ilorin. He knew that the Jihad had made the Fulani the rulers of Ilorin - with a Fulani Sultanate based in Sokoto and quasi-independent Fulani Emirs in the separate Hausa kingdoms. So, after he was made ruler of Ilorin, he sent to Hausaland to announce that he had established an Emirate in Ilorin and to ask that his Emirate should be accepted as part of the Fulani Sultanate.

In this way, Ilorin became a Fulani Emirate, ruled by a Fulani family.

Ilorin was, in population, still an Oyo town - probably over 95% Oyo in population. And Ilorin was never conquered or even invaded by any Fulani army. Those influential Oyo men who made Alimi and his son the rulers of Ilorin did so out of fervour for their Islamic faith.

When the news of the happenings in Ilorin spread all over the Oyo country, people were shocked to hear that Ilorin people had made the family of an obscure Fulani charm peddler their rulers. Therefore, people formed armies to go and subdue Ilorin and flush out the Fulani impostors. None of these invasions of Ilorin succeeded. The invading armies were poorly organized, and, moreover, the old Afonja army defending Ilorin was just too powerful. In fact, in the end, the Ilorin people, in order to ensure perfect protection for their fervently Muslim town, decided to go out and conquer most of Yorubaland (all the way to the sea coast), and make all of it a Muslim empire ruled from Ilorin.

Their army marched out in about 1838, conquering town after town towards the south, and causing mammoth streams of refugees. Till today, most Yoruba people still call this Ilorin invasion a Fulani invasion of Yorubaland. But it was not a Fulani invasion at all; it was an attempt by the predominantly Yoruba Muslim people of Ilorin to conquer and Islamize the rest of Yorubaland.

The victorious Ilorin march southwards ended suddenly in 1840. The refugees who had gathered in the Egba village of Ibadan had quickly become a large town. Their army marched out and met the Ilorin army in Oshogbo in 1840, and totally destroyed them, capturing many of their commanders. From then on, the power of Ilorin was more or less over, and Ilorin never dared again to face the Ibadan army in battle.

In the following years, Ibadan became the most powerful state in Yorubaland, and established control over the Oshun valley, Ife, Ijesa, Ekiti, Akoko, Igbomina and parts of Iyagba. Ilorin continued to be ambitious to control some territory in its immediate neighbourhood – in nearby Igbomina and Ibolo (especially Offa); but they feared Ibadan. In 1877, the Ekiti, Ijesa, Igbomina and Akoko revolted against Ibadan’s rule, and the Kiriji War started, keeping all these peoples and Ibadan busy until 1893. Ilorin took advantage of this and established some feeble control over parts of Igbomina and Ibolo.

However, at home in Ilorin itself, a proper Emirate could not develop. The powerful Yoruba war chiefs wanted to re-establish the traditional Yoruba political system whereby the chiefs in a kingdom select their king. The Emirs resisted. By 1895, the chiefs were winning the contest grandly – a situation which forced the Emir Momoh to commit suicide after setting his palace on fire. The victorious chiefs then installed Sulaiman as Emir. This was the situation when the forces of the British Royal Niger Company came and conquered Ilorin in 1897.

In the years that followed, it was the British that established Ilorin as a full-fledged emirate, making the Ilorin Emir like the Emirs of Hausaland. The Emir then took advantage of that to establish all sorts of Emirate-type control over Ibolo and northern Igbomina.

In short, Ilorin was never conquered (was never even invaded) by the Fulani. Ilorin is more than than 90% Yoruba in population. The Igbomina, Ibolo, and Ekiti of Kwara, because they have hated the imposture of the Ilorin Emirs since the beginning of British rule, tend to be usually cool towards Ilorin...

One1after:
Coming from a nitwit from the erosion ravaged abandoned land. Whats my own if you come from one anoma or not. Whats my interest where a cocaine smuggler come from? You can come from the jungle and no one cares. I dont know how a flat head from a thick bush is crying over Kwara, whats your own? No wonder you are all laughing stock of the nation.

Sincerely, I prefer to move drugs and pay with my life than taking an innocent life I can't create in the name of money rituals or strapping bombs on my body blowing myself and others up in a name of 1 silly religion.

Flat head is sexier than oblong head. Pyramid head.

Been erosion ravaged hadn't stopped us from besting u wasters in all facets of life except propaganda and thuggery.

Yes, Kwara is Yoruba's but had been annexed by the fulani caliphate. Reconquer it and we will start taking u cowards serious.

Ritchiee:
The Fulanis did not and do not have the ability to go into war with the yorubas because they have been defeated then and now by the yorubas...olori pelebe,I am sure that you are from this 21st century FULANI REPUBLIC region...you and your people are immemorial and documented weaklings...

READ:
After reading the memorandum sent by the leaders of the Yoruba people of Kwara State to the National Conference, I must repeat much of what I once wrote in this column about the history of the Yoruba of Ilorin and of Kwara. The Fulani never conquered Ilorin nor invaded Yorubaland. These historical facts need to be emphasized and re-emphasized.

Ilorin was a small town in the Oyo Empire by the beginning of the 19th century. Afonja, Baale of Ilorin, who also held the title of Are Ona Kakanfo of the Oyo Empire, rebelled against his king, the Alafin of Oyo, in 1817. (There is no space here for the reasons for his rebellion). In order to sustain his rebellion, he was desperate to build a large and powerful army. To that end, he did a number of desperate things.

First, he invited the people of nearby villages to move to Ilorin and turn Ilorin into a large town. Many people so moved, but most refused.

Secondly, he reached out to many prominent friends all over the Oyo country, and invited them to come and live in Ilorin. Some accepted his invitation and came. Among these was a rich trader named Solagberu from Kuwo. Another was a man named Alimi, a Fulani man who had long lived in the Oyo country peddling charms from town to town. Afonja employed Alimi to make charms for him and his army.

Thirdly, Afonja decided to exploit a religious situation that was causing trouble in the country at the time. A Jihad movement had started in Hausaland in the north in 1804, generating wars and stormy Islamic evangelism there. It was started and led by an immigrant people called Fulani. The Fulani immigrants were few among the large Hausa nation, but very many of the Hausa who were already Muslims sided with the Fulani – and thus made it possible for the Fulani to defeat the ancient Hausa kings and make themselves rulers over Hausaland.

Some of the violent Jihadist preachers trickled south into the Oyo country. Everywhere they came, they were causing a lot of commotion by preaching violent and disrespectful sermons against the Oyo kings and chiefs, and against Yoruba culture in general. Yoruba people, with their tradition of religious tolerance, were alarmed; and angry crowds began to attack the preachers. Afonja decided to exploit the situation by issuing a general invitation to the Muslims to flee to him in Ilorin, promising to give them protection there. Thousands of frightened Muslims fled to Ilorin, and Afonja trained many of them for his army. (Afonja himself did not intend to convert to Islam, and he never did).

Fourthly, most rich Oyo families had Hausa, Nupe and Fulani slaves - used mostly in farming, trading, livestock rearing, etc. Most were Muslims.

Afonja decided to exploit this also. He issued a proclamation saying that if any slaves ran away from their owners and came to him in Ilorin, he would give them freedom and protection there. Large numbers of slaves, mostly Hausa, fled to Afonja, and he trained some of them for his army.

Afonja thus had his large town and large army. Most of his army’s commanders and soldiers were Oyo Muslims. A few of the soldiers were Muslim Hausa – all slaves recently set free by Afonja. But many of his Hausa soldiers were unruly. He warned or threatened them repeatedly, but with no result. When he at last decided to discipline them, they mutinied. Afonja was killed in the mutiny - in 1823.

Meanwhile, while Alimi had been making charms for the army, he had become a friend to many of the Oyo commanders who were Muslims, and these hadmade him Imam (Islamic teacher and preacher) for the Muslim community in the army. After Afonja›s death, the same friends gradually made their Imam the ruler of Ilorin. They also created some officers among the Hausa soldiers - for instance, Balogun Gambari. The powerful men doing all these things were Oyo.

That then is how Oyo people made a Fulani man the ruler of Ilorin. When Alimi died, his elder son, Abdulsalam, was elevated to his father’s position by his father›s powerful Oyo Muslim friends. Adulsalam had lived in the Jihad in Hausaland and had only recently come to live with his father in Ilorin. He knew that the Jihad had made the Fulani the rulers of Ilorin - with a Fulani Sultanate based in Sokoto and quasi-independent Fulani Emirs in the separate Hausa kingdoms. So, after he was made ruler of Ilorin, he sent to Hausaland to announce that he had established an Emirate in Ilorin and to ask that his Emirate should be accepted as part of the Fulani Sultanate.

In this way, Ilorin became a Fulani Emirate, ruled by a Fulani family.

Ilorin was, in population, still an Oyo town - probably over 95% Oyo in population. And Ilorin was never conquered or even invaded by any Fulani army. Those influential Oyo men who made Alimi and his son the rulers of Ilorin did so out of fervour for their Islamic faith.

When the news of the happenings in Ilorin spread all over the Oyo country, people were shocked to hear that Ilorin people had made the family of an obscure Fulani charm peddler their rulers. Therefore, people formed armies to go and subdue Ilorin and flush out the Fulani impostors. None of these invasions of Ilorin succeeded. The invading armies were poorly organized, and, moreover, the old Afonja army defending Ilorin was just too powerful. In fact, in the end, the Ilorin people, in order to ensure perfect protection for their fervently Muslim town, decided to go out and conquer most of Yorubaland (all the way to the sea coast), and make all of it a Muslim empire ruled from Ilorin.

Their army marched out in about 1838, conquering town after town towards the south, and causing mammoth streams of refugees. Till today, most Yoruba people still call this Ilorin invasion a Fulani invasion of Yorubaland. But it was not a Fulani invasion at all; it was an attempt by the predominantly Yoruba Muslim people of Ilorin to conquer and Islamize the rest of Yorubaland.

The victorious Ilorin march southwards ended suddenly in 1840. The refugees who had gathered in the Egba village of Ibadan had quickly become a large town. Their army marched out and met the Ilorin army in Oshogbo in 1840, and totally destroyed them, capturing many of their commanders. From then on, the power of Ilorin was more or less over, and Ilorin never dared again to face the Ibadan army in battle.

In the following years, Ibadan became the most powerful state in Yorubaland, and established control over the Oshun valley, Ife, Ijesa, Ekiti, Akoko, Igbomina and parts of Iyagba. Ilorin continued to be ambitious to control some territory in its immediate neighbourhood – in nearby Igbomina and Ibolo (especially Offa); but they feared Ibadan. In 1877, the Ekiti, Ijesa, Igbomina and Akoko revolted against Ibadan’s rule, and the Kiriji War started, keeping all these peoples and Ibadan busy until 1893. Ilorin took advantage of this and established some feeble control over parts of Igbomina and Ibolo.

However, at home in Ilorin itself, a proper Emirate could not develop. The powerful Yoruba war chiefs wanted to re-establish the traditional Yoruba political system whereby the chiefs in a kingdom select their king. The Emirs resisted. By 1895, the chiefs were winning the contest grandly – a situation which forced the Emir Momoh to commit suicide after setting his palace on fire. The victorious chiefs then installed Sulaiman as Emir. This was the situation when the forces of the British Royal Niger Company came and conquered Ilorin in 1897.

In the years that followed, it was the British that established Ilorin as a full-fledged emirate, making the Ilorin Emir like the Emirs of Hausaland. The Emir then took advantage of that to establish all sorts of Emirate-type control over Ibolo and northern Igbomina.

In short, Ilorin was never conquered (was never even invaded) by the Fulani. Ilorin is more than than 90% Yoruba in population. The Igbomina, Ibolo, and Ekiti of Kwara, because they have hated the imposture of the Ilorin Emirs since the beginning of British rule, tend to be usually cool towards Ilorin...

Wow! this is interesting and could make a nice Nollywood script. But come'o, you dey there, abi na for book you read'am. So you may not be 100% correct. My take though.

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EzeNri:
Sincerely, I prefer to move drugs and pay with my life than taking an innocent life I can't create in the name of money rituals or strapping bombs on my body blowing myself and others up in a name of 1 silly religion.

Flat head is sexier than oblong head. Pyramid head.

Been erosion ravaged hadn't stopped us from besting u wasters in all facets of life except propaganda and thuggery.

Yes, Kwara is Yoruba's but had been annexed by the fulani caliphate. Reconquer it and we will start taking u cowards serious.

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Same spit splashing from a disgraced oaf. Besting which region? Your same abandoned dungeon where everyone run away from daily. Same thick bush where faeces are flowing freely on the road. I laugh.

Of course, you are only good at smuggling drugs but the Asians are also doing the needful all over Asia. While they killed many of you loudmouthed miscreangs daily, some are being sentenced and made to suffer over there cos of your greed and foolishness. Same place where to sell children and promote baby factory business like its normal. No one even take you cannibals serious, people that eat there fellow human. What a shame.

blues20:
Wow! this is interesting and could make a nice Nollywood script. But come'o, you dey there, abi na for book you read'am. So you may not be 100% correct. My take though.

Those fulanis are very treacherous for killing their benefactor(who set them free from their yoruba slave masters and made them freeborn)Afonja.Go and read history and you will know more...

One1after:
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Same spit splashing from a disgraced oaf. Besting which region? Your same abandoned dungeon where everyone run away from daily. Same thick bush where faeces are flowing freely on the road. I laugh.

Of course, you are only good at smuggling drugs but the Asians are also doing the needful all over Asia. While they killed many of you loudmouthed miscreangs daily, some are being sentenced and made to suffer over there cos of your greed and foolishness. Same place where to sell children and promote baby factory business like its normal. No one even take you cannibals serious, people that eat there fellow human. What a shame.

So between moving drugs, ritual killing and suicide bombing, which one do u prefer?

Ritchiee:
[s]The Fulanis did not and do not have the ability to go into war with the yorubas because they have been defeated then and now by the yorubas...olori pelebe,I am sure that you are from this 21st century FULANI REPUBLIC region...you and your people are immemorial and documented weaklings...

READ:
After reading the memorandum sent by the leaders of the Yoruba people of Kwara State to the National Conference, I must repeat much of what I once wrote in this column about the history of the Yoruba of Ilorin and of Kwara. The Fulani never conquered Ilorin nor invaded Yorubaland. These historical facts need to be emphasized and re-emphasized.

Ilorin was a small town in the Oyo Empire by the beginning of the 19th century. Afonja, Baale of Ilorin, who also held the title of Are Ona Kakanfo of the Oyo Empire, rebelled against his king, the Alafin of Oyo, in 1817. (There is no space here for the reasons for his rebellion). In order to sustain his rebellion, he was desperate to build a large and powerful army. To that end, he did a number of desperate things.

First, he invited the people of nearby villages to move to Ilorin and turn Ilorin into a large town. Many people so moved, but most refused.

Secondly, he reached out to many prominent friends all over the Oyo country, and invited them to come and live in Ilorin. Some accepted his invitation and came. Among these was a rich trader named Solagberu from Kuwo. Another was a man named Alimi, a Fulani man who had long lived in the Oyo country peddling charms from town to town. Afonja employed Alimi to make charms for him and his army.

Thirdly, Afonja decided to exploit a religious situation that was causing trouble in the country at the time. A Jihad movement had started in Hausaland in the north in 1804, generating wars and stormy Islamic evangelism there. It was started and led by an immigrant people called Fulani. The Fulani immigrants were few among the large Hausa nation, but very many of the Hausa who were already Muslims sided with the Fulani – and thus made it possible for the Fulani to defeat the ancient Hausa kings and make themselves rulers over Hausaland.

Some of the violent Jihadist preachers trickled south into the Oyo country. Everywhere they came, they were causing a lot of commotion by preaching violent and disrespectful sermons against the Oyo kings and chiefs, and against Yoruba culture in general. Yoruba people, with their tradition of religious tolerance, were alarmed; and angry crowds began to attack the preachers. Afonja decided to exploit the situation by issuing a general invitation to the Muslims to flee to him in Ilorin, promising to give them protection there. Thousands of frightened Muslims fled to Ilorin, and Afonja trained many of them for his army. (Afonja himself did not intend to convert to Islam, and he never did).

Fourthly, most rich Oyo families had Hausa, Nupe and Fulani slaves - used mostly in farming, trading, livestock rearing, etc. Most were Muslims.

Afonja decided to exploit this also. He issued a proclamation saying that if any slaves ran away from their owners and came to him in Ilorin, he would give them freedom and protection there. Large numbers of slaves, mostly Hausa, fled to Afonja, and he trained some of them for his army.

Afonja thus had his large town and large army. Most of his army’s commanders and soldiers were Oyo Muslims. A few of the soldiers were Muslim Hausa – all slaves recently set free by Afonja. But many of his Hausa soldiers were unruly. He warned or threatened them repeatedly, but with no result. When he at last decided to discipline them, they mutinied. Afonja was killed in the mutiny - in 1823.

Meanwhile, while Alimi had been making charms for the army, he had become a friend to many of the Oyo commanders who were Muslims, and these hadmade him Imam (Islamic teacher and preacher) for the Muslim community in the army. After Afonja›s death, the same friends gradually made their Imam the ruler of Ilorin. They also created some officers among the Hausa soldiers - for instance, Balogun Gambari. The powerful men doing all these things were Oyo.

That then is how Oyo people made a Fulani man the ruler of Ilorin. When Alimi died, his elder son, Abdulsalam, was elevated to his father’s position by his father›s powerful Oyo Muslim friends. Adulsalam had lived in the Jihad in Hausaland and had only recently come to live with his father in Ilorin. He knew that the Jihad had made the Fulani the rulers of Ilorin - with a Fulani Sultanate based in Sokoto and quasi-independent Fulani Emirs in the separate Hausa kingdoms. So, after he was made ruler of Ilorin, he sent to Hausaland to announce that he had established an Emirate in Ilorin and to ask that his Emirate should be accepted as part of the Fulani Sultanate.

In this way, Ilorin became a Fulani Emirate, ruled by a Fulani family.

Ilorin was, in population, still an Oyo town - probably over 95% Oyo in population. And Ilorin was never conquered or even invaded by any Fulani army. Those influential Oyo men who made Alimi and his son the rulers of Ilorin did so out of fervour for their Islamic faith.

When the news of the happenings in Ilorin spread all over the Oyo country, people were shocked to hear that Ilorin people had made the family of an obscure Fulani charm peddler their rulers. Therefore, people formed armies to go and subdue Ilorin and flush out the Fulani impostors. None of these invasions of Ilorin succeeded. The invading armies were poorly organized, and, moreover, the old Afonja army defending Ilorin was just too powerful. In fact, in the end, the Ilorin people, in order to ensure perfect protection for their fervently Muslim town, decided to go out and conquer most of Yorubaland (all the way to the sea coast), and make all of it a Muslim empire ruled from Ilorin.

Their army marched out in about 1838, conquering town after town towards the south, and causing mammoth streams of refugees. Till today, most Yoruba people still call this Ilorin invasion a Fulani invasion of Yorubaland. But it was not a Fulani invasion at all; it was an attempt by the predominantly Yoruba Muslim people of Ilorin to conquer and Islamize the rest of Yorubaland.

The victorious Ilorin march southwards ended suddenly in 1840. The refugees who had gathered in the Egba village of Ibadan had quickly become a large town. Their army marched out and met the Ilorin army in Oshogbo in 1840, and totally destroyed them, capturing many of their commanders. From then on, the power of Ilorin was more or less over, and Ilorin never dared again to face the Ibadan army in battle.

In the following years, Ibadan became the most powerful state in Yorubaland, and established control over the Oshun valley, Ife, Ijesa, Ekiti, Akoko, Igbomina and parts of Iyagba. Ilorin continued to be ambitious to control some territory in its immediate neighbourhood – in nearby Igbomina and Ibolo (especially Offa); but they feared Ibadan. In 1877, the Ekiti, Ijesa, Igbomina and Akoko revolted against Ibadan’s rule, and the Kiriji War started, keeping all these peoples and Ibadan busy until 1893. Ilorin took advantage of this and established some feeble control over parts of Igbomina and Ibolo.

However, at home in Ilorin itself, a proper Emirate could not develop. The powerful Yoruba war chiefs wanted to re-establish the traditional Yoruba political system whereby the chiefs in a kingdom select their king. The Emirs resisted. By 1895, the chiefs were winning the contest grandly – a situation which forced the Emir Momoh to commit suicide after setting his palace on fire. The victorious chiefs then installed Sulaiman as Emir. This was the situation when the forces of the British Royal Niger Company came and conquered Ilorin in 1897.

In the years that followed, it was the British that established Ilorin as a full-fledged emirate, making the Ilorin Emir like the Emirs of Hausaland. The Emir then took advantage of that to establish all sorts of Emirate-type control over Ibolo and northern Igbomina.

In short, Ilorin was never conquered (was never even invaded) by the Fulani. Ilorin is more than than 90% Yoruba in population. The Igbomina, Ibolo, and Ekiti of Kwara, because they have hated the imposture of the Ilorin Emirs since the beginning of British rule, tend to be usually cool towards Ilorin...[/s]

Liar. Yorubas, propaganda and re-writing of history to suit themselves. We all know the history of Afonja's backstabing which is the hallmark of Yorubas and Alimi's invassion of Ilorin and Kwara as as a whole taking advantage of a mere invitation from Afonja the backstabber. No one should pay attention to this lies being peddled here by this Yoruba liar, google Afonja and Alimi and read the ehole truth and nothing but the truth about how Alimi and his fulani meascreants conquared Ilorin and the whole of Kwara. This lies must stop, and for your information Ilorin is and will forever remain a fulani land and the whole of kwara a northern territory.

Biafman:
Liar. Yorubas, propaganda and re-writing of history to suit themselves. We all know the history of Afonja's backstabing which is the hallmark of Yorubas and Alimi's invassion of Ilorin and Kwara as as a whole taking advantage of a mere invitation from Afonja the backstabber. No one should pay attention to this lies being peddled here by this Yoruba liar, google Afonja and Alimi and read the ehole truth and nothing but the truth about how Alimi and his fulani meascreants conquared Ilorin and the whole of Kwara. This lies must stop, and for your information Ilorin is and will forever remain a fulani land and the whole of kwara a northern territory.

let him keep decieving the uninformed. Afonja was captured and behead before Ilorin became a fulani emirate.

the problem we have in this country is that we can't differentiate from tribe and political region...political region can comprises of different tribe..is south south one tribe "no" we av itshekiri,ijaw and irobo etc, so north central is just a geo political zone not a tribe..they comprises is idoma,igala,Yoruba,Fulani etc...
The important thing for the writer to no is...your tribe is Yoruba and your goe political zone is north central.
be a north central doesn't make u Hausa or Fulani..there is deferent BTW tribe and region.. at least there is Yoruba speaking tribe in brazil ....
what identity ur tribe is culture way of life...
if u re from Yoruba speaking part in kwara definitely u re your.....let get things right stop racism, tribalism nd religion bigot

Ritchiee:
Those fulanis are very treacherous for killing their benefactor(who set them free from their yoruba slave masters and made them freeborn)Afonja.Go and read history and you will know more...

Since the Fulanis are treacherous, as you claimed, why then did you guys teamed up to bring in a .... general who is fast transforming Nigeria into an Islamic Republic? Judging from the fact that you have dealt with them in the past, and felt the venom of their treachery, as you said.
Don't you think you guys are gradually repeating the mistake of the past? Please give me an objective answer.

Bunmytaz:
the problem we have in this country is that we can't differentiate from tribe and political region...political region can comprises of different tribe..is south south one tribe "no" we av itshekiri,ijaw and irobo etc, so north central is just a geo political zone not a tribe..they comprises is idoma,igala,Yoruba,Fulani etc...
The important thing for the writer to no is...your tribe is Yoruba and your goe political zone is north central.
be a north central doesn't make u Hausa or Fulani..there is deferent BTW tribe and region.. at least there is Yoruba speaking tribe in brazil ....
what identity ur tribe is culture way of life...
if u re from Yoruba speaking part in kwara definitely u re your.....let get things right stop racism, tribalism nd religion bigot

many in kwara are of mixed blood as fulani intermarried with yorubas, nupe and hausas found there. Many natives in ilorin though they may speak yoruba actually see themselves as fulani. The present governor sees himself as fulani, rear admiral muhameed lawal did so too. Saraki's father admitted being fulani and that his family came from mali. Bukola saraki is fulani too. Yoruba claim on the place is only historical. Any attempt to enforce the claim is like negroes trying to take north Africa from the Arabs. Thats the bitter truth.

EzeNri:
So between moving drugs, ritual killing and suicide bombing, which one do u prefer?

lol..you are into ritual killings..money rituals... more than any in Nigeria.You are the ones perpetrating the same thing in SW.Sometimes you send some gullible swesterners because of your get rich anyhow attitude.
You are the kings of criminals and of hard drugs in Africa...




Nigerian nationals have topped the Chandigarh Police list of notorious drug smugglers. Of the 32 drugrelated cases registered by Chandigarh Police against foreigners in the past five years, 10 are against Nigerians.

Besides trafficking, foreign nationals have also been involved in case of assault, brawl and even spying over the past five years, the police said.

The police arrested residents of Afghanistan Bhutan and Tibet in different cases of cheating, immoral trafficking and brawls in the city. The police said most of them came to the city on study visa and some on visitor and business visa. However, the police said they destroyed their passports to hide their identity.

The police data revealed that most of the Nigerians were arrested with cocaine and heroin and during investigation, it was learnt that most of them were either staying on the city’s periphery while some were coming to the city using it as a “transit point”. Nigerians are mainly conduits or smugglers, reveals the police data.

Quantity of contraband seized has varied over the years as in 2012, the police arrested Daniel Ebeve, a Nigerian, with 19 grams of cocaine. In 2014, the police arrested Charles Izuchukwu, another Nigerian, with 27 grams of cocaine.

The police data also revealed that in 2015, a Nigerian, Jackson Ebukauzano, was arrested from industrial Area, Phase-1, with 35 grams heroin whereas Samuel Bai Onukas, also a Nigerian, was arrested with 32 grams of heroin. They had destroyed their passports, the police said.

In 2010, the crime branch arrested Kashif Ali, a resident of Faisalabad in Pakistan, who was staying in the city as Pawan Kumar and was allegedly collecting secret information related to Indian Army Cantonment.

In 2013, the police arrested Chabilal and Chayan Budha, residents of Nepal, with 350 grams of charas and Kher Bahadur and Resham Bahadur, also from Nepal, with 4kg of charas.

In 2015, the crime branch officials nabbed Samera Rahbmonow, a Russian, and two city residents, Sabudin Shokat, and Rajudin, from Sector 22 for immoral activities.

Bhutan and Tibet residents booked for assault on cops

In 2013, the police arrested Jamyang Tosahi, Ugyen and Jigme, residents of Bhutan and Tibet for allegedly assaulting a constable in Sector 15.

DSP (crime) Jagbir Singh said Nigerians were into drug smuggling and some of them visited the city on weekends from Delhi.

I do not know how weaklings from 21st century FULANI REPUBLIC INDIGENES could be so in love with criminality...

Noneroone:
many in kwara are of mixed blood as fulani intermarried with yorubas, nupe and hausas found there. Many natives in ilorin though they may speak yoruba actually see themselves as fulani. The present governor sees himself as fulani, rear admiral muhameed lawal did so too. Saraki's father admitted being fulani and that his family came from mali. Bukola saraki is fulani too. Yoruba claim on the place is only historical. Any attempt to enforce the claim is like negroes trying to take north Africa from the Arabs. Thats the bitter truth.

Your ignorance stinks..

You are a weakling from the FULANI REPUBLIC of the century...so you as dumb as a dodo..

If not for the British colonial intervention, historians agree that the Fulanis would have be driven far back out of Illorin by a coalition of Yoruba forces, even more farther away off conquered Hausa territories. This notion is based upon the resulting outcome from The Battle of Oshogbo in 1830 where the invading Fulanis forces were crushed, defeated and driven back before the interference of the colonials. They've tried this over and over in other Kingdoms....
JUST A FEW PEOPLE..who are not yorubas per se.. WHO ARE GAINING POLITICALLY WOULD ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH THE FULANIS....

EzeNri:
So between moving drugs, ritual killing and suicide bombing, which one do u prefer?

You are expert in ritual killings and cocaine smugglings except suicide bombings, so get lost with your spit splashing.

Biafman:
Liar. Yorubas, propaganda and re-writing of history to suit themselves. We all know the history of Afonja's backstabing which is the hallmark of Yorubas and Alimi's invassion of Ilorin and Kwara as as a whole taking advantage of a mere invitation from Afonja the backstabber. No one should pay attention to this lies being peddled here by this Yoruba liar, google Afonja and Alimi and read the ehole truth and nothing but the truth about how Alimi and his fulani meascreants conquared Ilorin and the whole of Kwara. This lies must stop, and for your information Ilorin is and will forever remain a fulani land and the whole of kwara a northern territory.

Why don't you post your truth so we can compare...indigene of FULANI REPUBLIC.

In this 21st century,the Fulanis just planted their flag in Igboland claiming it as FULANI REPUBLIC and you weaklings could not do anything about it but masturbating on a mere emir that a lot of yorubas do not even know exist because he does not have any control,power or poo over even the rats in Kwara..
REMOVE THE GIANT CLOG IN YOUR EYES AND STOP SPILLING ODOURFUL OHA BLACK SMELLING PHLEGM ON THIS YORUBA FORUM...

Few days after the Igbo apex body, Ohaneze Ndigbo, called on President Muhammadu Buhari to negotiate with members of the Movement for the Actualization of the Sovereign State of Biafra, MASSOB, and the Independent People of Biafra, IPOB, amongst others, Fulani herdsmen have hoisted a “Fulani Republic” flag in the Ohafia axis of Abia State.

Residents of Ohafia community have been overtaken with fright and panic as herdsmen in the area reportedly hoisted the flag near the army barracks in the area. Members of the community now live alongside herdsmen who have been accused of illegally commandeering grazing fields for their cattle.

Locals raised alarm and called on security agencies to come to their rescue and also sought to know if part of the large expanse of land donated to the army had been converted to grazing fields by the herdsmen even when Army leadership had forbade locals from farming on same land.

A member of the Abia State House of Assembly representing Ohafia South constituency, Uchendu Ifeanyi, raised this concern during the House plenary and demanded an immediate investigation into this new development.

He added that actions of the herdsmen constituted a grave risk to members of his constituency.

Ifeanyi noted that decision of the herdsmen to hoist a blatantly unpatriotic flag on Abia soil, reflected a conspiracy between them and the Army who had allowed such an illegality to take place...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/abia-house-launches-investigation-into-alleged-fulani-republic-in-ohafia/

http://www.post-nigeria.com/tension-in-abia-as-fulani-herdsmen-hoist-flag/

http://www.thebreakingtimes.com/fulani-herdsmen-hoist-flag-in-abia/

You SE people have a very big problem.

Kwara, and even Illorin is YORUBA

FriendChoice:
You have to remove the word hatred from your dictionary for the sake of humanity, I guess you have been misinformed by media of what exactly the north is. Don't allow differences in region or Tribe to make you a fool.

Kwara belongs to the north and that cannot be changed, nobody will migrate to any part even if Nigeria is to divide. I guess you hate being referred to as northerner bcux of how people who hav never been to the north speak about it, calling useless names like Ab0ki na cow, they are illiterate, they are all almajiris etc.

Going by history Central northern part of Nigeria have once tried to be more associated to the southwestern during Obasanjo regime, but it doesn't go well.

The UN certified former terrorist group "OPC " launched attacks on northerners living in Southwest Nigeria. People of Northcentral Nigeria (Kwara) are also attacked despite their uniformity in tribe. The southwest people says, northerner is a northerner weda 4rm kwara or not. This is one of the major reason the North central feels more comfortably referred to as north.

One of my major example is you. You are a northerner born in southwest being discriminated by southwesterners, then you decide to hate the north. After hating the north, they will still call you a northerner. double wahala 4 u.



My Final message to you and any1 reading.

Human beings are equal before our creator, the best among you is who fears him most. There should be no discrimination on tribes, races, regional and in whatever capacity. We should learn traditional, norms and culture of various societies.

It does not matter your tribe, region or ethnicity. God made it the way he want. Who are u to question God?

Its only through education that we can transform the society and gain an insight into lifestyle of others and thereby help us appreciate diversity and learn to live in peace and harmony with one another.

brosss shatap nd stop saying wat u don't know. Wch opc attacked kwaran

Ritchiee:
Your ignorance stinks..

You are a weakling from the FULANI REPUBLIC of the century...so you as dumb as a dodo..

If not for the British colonial intervention, historians agree that the Fulanis would have be driven far back out of Illorin by a coalition of Yoruba forces, even more farther away off conquered Hausa territories. This notion is based upon the resulting outcome from The Battle of Oshogbo in 1830 where the invading Fulanis forces were crushed, defeated and driven back before the interference of the colonials. They've tried this over and over in other Kingdoms....
JUST A FEW PEOPLE..who are not yorubas per se.. WHO ARE GAINING POLITICALLY WOULD ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH THE FULANIS....

ignorance? Maybe you need to educate me. The problem with you is that you yorubas go emotional when people confront you with the truth. Can you convince one that ilorin natives are majority yoruba and yet have an emir after emir ruling in their supposed homeland? Is that sensible? . It is very hard to prove that ilorin has been a traditional yoruba settlement before 1830. It was established as a military outpost of oyo empire around the middle of the 15 century. Oyo is an established yoruba kingdom with traditional system of administration, culture, seperate dialect, and tradtional religion. They have indigenous pple occupying the land that cannot be driven away but conquered in event of war. That can't be said of ilorin. It was a virgin land under the control of oyo before the afonja incident. Pls answer these questions to prove its yorubaness.

who were the Obas of ilorin before 1830?

Like lagosians are called awori, ogun ijebu, What are the indigenous pple of ilorin called before 1830 ?

What was their dialect?

What is the name of their deity?

Ilorin is not yorubaland. Aside the name ilorin given to it when it was under oyo control, nothing else connect it to yoruba. Yorubas know this thats why they shy away from the topic. They will only tell u yorubas are majority. Even one poster above agree that most yorubas in ilorin migrated from oyo. Again does urhobo being majority in warri makes it urhoboland?

Ilorin case could be likened to opobo, a virgin land under ikot ekpene before jaja established a kindom there. When at a point ijaws decided to challenge the reign of jaja's decendant in court and instal an ijaw king. The court ruled that it was jaja who established opobo and that the kingdom is the estate of jaja and his decendants forever. If yorubas mean business in claiming ilorin is theirs i challenge them to contest the kingship system in court like ijaw did in opobo.

Noneroone:
ignorance? Maybe you need to educate me. The problem with you is that you yorubas go emotional when people confront you with the truth. Can you convince one that ilorin natives are majority yoruba and yet have an emir after emir ruling in their supposed homeland? Is that sensible? . It is very hard to prove that ilorin has been a traditional yoruba settlement before 1830. It was established as a military outpost of oyo empire around the middle of the 15 century. Oyo is an established yoruba kingdom with traditional system of administration, culture, seperate dialect, and tradtional religion. They have indigenous pple occupying the land that cannot be driven away but conquered in event of war. That can't be said of ilorin. It was a virgin land under the control of oyo before the afonja incident. Pls answer these questions to prove its yorubaness.

who were the Obas of ilorin before 1830?

Like lagosians are called awori, ogun ijebu, What are the indigenous pple of ilorin called before 1830 ?

What was their dialect?

What is the name of their deity?

Ilorin is not yorubaland. Aside the name ilorin given to it when it was under oyo control, nothing else connect it to yoruba. Yorubas know this thats why they shy away from the topic. They will only tell u yorubas are majority. Even one poster above agree that most yorubas in ilorin migrated from oyo. Again does urhobo being majority in warri makes it urhoboland?

Ilorin case could be likened to opobo, a virgin land under ikot ekpene before jaja established a kindom there. When at a point ijaws decided to challenge the reign of jaja's decendant in court and instal an ijaw king. The court ruled that it was jaja who established opobo and that the kingdom is the estate of jaja and his decendants forever. If yorubas mean business in claiming ilorin is theirs i challenge them to contest the kingship system in court like ijaw did in opobo.

Maybe you would notice in here that from 1817-1831...Afonja was in control and you surely know that the first set of people who came onto a land first became the indigenes.Yorubas were that set of people....
As per court case,I have read how the Afonjas took the Fulanis to court(they have initially killed one emir and banished another to Sokoto but they were brought back by the government) but as you know that the Hausa-Fulani has had upperhand in ruling Nigeria since the exit of Britain,the white paper of enquiries into the ownership of Ilorin had not been released till date.The Britons recognised only the emir because that is what they met...my man force cannot remove the emir now except Nigeria disintegrates and also that the yorubas in Ilorin do not support the emir anymore basically because of religion...


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Traditional States of Nigeria
Note: This record is not complete, but contains the most important states. The phrase "Fulbe jihad" refers to the state-founding jihad led by `Usuman dan Fodio in the first decade of the 19th century.

Abeokuta
1829 Abeokuta city-state founded.
1893 British protectorate.
c.1914 Ruler declared paramount ruler of Egbaland.
16 Sep 1914 Part of Nigeria southern provinces.

Chiefs
1829 - 1845 Shodeke
1845 - 1846 Shomoye -Regent (1st time)
1846 - 1854 Sagbua Okukenun -Regent
Rulers (title Alake)
8 Aug 1854 - 1862 Okukenun (Sagbua Okukenun)
1862 - 1868 Shomoye -Regent (2nd time)
28 Nov 1869 - 20 Dec 1877 Ademola I
Jan 1879 - 15 Sep 1881 Oyeekan (d. 1881)
9 Feb 1885 - 27 Jan 1889 Oluwajin
18 Sep 1891 - 11 Jun 1898 Oshokalu
8 Aug 1898 - 28 May 1920 Gbadebo I (b. 1854 - d. 1920)
27 Sep 1920 - 27 Dec 1962 Ladapo Samuel Ademola II (b. 1872 - d. 1962)
(in exile 1948 - 3 Dec 1950)
29 Sep 1963 - 26 Oct 1971 Adesiinan Samuel Gbadebo II (b. 1908 - d. 1971)
5 Aug 1972 - 3 Feb 2005 Samuel Oyebade Mofolorunsho Lipede (b. 1915 - d. 2005)
24 Aug 2005 - Adedotun Aremu Gbadebo III (b. 1943)

Abuja
1804 Zuba state, formally continuing the Hausa state of Zazzau,
destroyed by the Fulbe jihad (see Zaria).
1828 State renamed Abuja in honor of ruler.
1902 Occupied by Britain, part of Northern Nigeria Protectorate.
196. State renamed Suleja.

Rulers (title Sarkin Zazzau, from 1828 also Emir)
1804 - 1825 Muhammad Makau dan Ishaqu Jatau (d. 1825)
1825 - 2 Aug 1851 Jatau "Abu Ja" dan Ishaqu Jatau (d. 1851)
2 Aug 1851 - 29 Jul 1877 Abu Kwaka "Dogon Sarki" dan Ishaqu Jatau (d. 1877)
29 Jul 1877 - Aug 1902 Ibrahim "Iyalai" "Dodon Gwari" dan Jatau (d. 1902)
1902 - 1917 Muhammad Gani dan Abu Kwaka
May 1917 - 3 Mar 1944 Musa Angulu dan Ibrahim (d. 1944)
13 Mar 1944 - 1979 Sulayman Barau dan Muhammad Gani (d. 1979)
1979 - 1993 Malam Ibrahim Dodo Musa (d. 1993)
1993 - 10 May 1994 Malam Awwal Ibrahim (1st time) (b. 1941)
10 May 1994 - Jan 2000 Bashir Sulaiman Barau
Jan 2000 - Malam Awwal Ibrahim (2nd time) (s.a.)

Adamawa

1809 Adamawa, a Fulbe jihad state, founded
(now partially in Cameroon).
Sep 1901 Partitioned between German Kamerun and British
Northern Nigeria Protectorate.

Rulers (title Baban-Lamido)
1809 - 1847 Modibo Adama


1817 Ilorin state separated from Oyo by rebellious commander.
5 Mar 1897 Part of British Northern Nigeria Protectorate.

Ruler (title Oba)
1817 - 1831 Afonja (d. 1831)
Rulers (title Sarkin Ilorin, also styled emir)
1831 - 1842 `Abdusalami dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1842)
1842 - 1860 Shi'ta dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1860)
1860 - 1868 Zubayro dan `Abdusalami (d. 1868)
1868 - 1891 Shi'ta `Aliyu dan Shi'ta (b. c.1845 - d. 1891)
1891 - 1896 Moma dan Zubayru (d. 1896)
1896 - 14 Jan 1915 Sulaymanu dan `Aliyu (b. 18.. - d. 1915)
1915 - Nov 1919 Shu`aybu Bawa dan Zubayru (b. 18.. - d. 1919)
17 Feb 1920 - Jun 1959 `Abd al-Qadiri dan Shu`aybu

1817 Ilorin state separated from Oyo by rebellious commander.
5 Mar 1897 Part of British Northern Nigeria Protectorate.

Ruler (title Oba)
1817 - 1831 Afonja (d. 1831)
Rulers (title Sarkin Ilorin, also styled emir)
1831 - 1842 `Abdusalami dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1842)
1842 - 1860 Shi'ta dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1860)
1860 - 1868 Zubayro dan `Abdusalami (d. 1868)
1868 - 1891 Shi'ta `Aliyu dan Shi'ta (b. c.1845 - d. 1891)
1891 - 1896 Moma dan Zubayru (d. 1896)
1896 - 14 Jan 1915 Sulaymanu dan `Aliyu (b. 18.. - d. 1915)
1915 - Nov 1919 Shu`aybu Bawa dan Zubayru (b. 18.. - d. 1919)
17 Feb 1920 - Jun 1959 `Abd al-Qadiri dan Shu`aybu (

http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=11281

It may take time but Yoruba would surely take back what Afonja mistakenly gave to the treacherous fulani backstabbers.Hausa-Fulani or whatever they call themselves are no match to the yoruba warriors either then or now but they were helped by the yorubas fighting alongside these backstabbers who treacherously killed Afonja and installed Abdu-Salam as emir.They have treacherously been helped by the hausa-fulani hegemony(FGN).Ilorin is just but a town (capital) in Kwara that has emir but the numerous other towns have Obas as in all Yorubaland. Go to that site and read a little about Ilorin ...the truth and the distortion...


Excerpt...

The third legend

According to Samuel Johnson, the late Afonja was a native of Ilorin. The city was built by his late grandfather, Laderin. Laderin, the founder was succeeded by Pasin, his son, a valiant chief, who opposed the renowned Basorun Gaa of Oyo. Alagbin, the son of Pasin succeeded his father and in turn handed the town to his valiant son, Afonja with whom the rule ended.

Ilorin is sometimes spoken as Afonja’s Ilorin. This is because he was the most renowned of the rulers and he was the one who made it into the large city it now is.

There are many areas around Ilorin then. For example, Kanla, Oke Suna, Ganma, Eleyinjare, Idofian, Oke Oyi, Ibare, Igbon, Iresa etc. It was said that Afonja, the warrior captured them one after the other and resettled them around Ilorin.

It should be noted that these are conflicting three accounts of Ilorin. Two of these historians are Ilorin historians, but they differed with each other.

One camp said Ojo-Isekuse founded Ilorin and that the town had no recognised king prior to Sheikh Alimi’s arrival. Within this camp are historians like Alhaji Sulu Gambari and some other Ilorin historians, though all of them differ on the founding of the town.

The second camp claimed Ilorin was founded buly Eyinla or Emilla and that he was Afonja’s host at Ilorin. They maintained Ilorin was already a big village before Afonja arrived there and when he came he had put up at Eyinla’s house, but became a domineering guest to Eyinla as Eyinla quit his own house and left for somewhere else. These historians did not mention Ojo-Isekuse at all. Among these historians are Alfa Omo Ikokoro.

Therefore, one cannot pick one of these accounts as the only authentic one of Ilorin history because the historians are so varied as accounts and citizens of Ilorin themselves, just as interviews with Ilorin citizens revealed these divergences.

Speaking with Sunday Tribune, the president of Afonja Descendants Union, Alhaji Olola Kasumu, said Ilorin was a Yoruba town and nothing more.

“In the first instance, Ilorin does not belong to the North-Central geopolitical zone of Nigeria. We are Yoruba to the core and the boundary demarcation done by the colonialists in person of Lord Lugard and Captain Bower is fake. There is no boundary between us and the South West people. The thing was done by Lugard and Captain Bower. Lugard was the military officer guiding the Royal Niger Company and Captain Bower was with colonial office, Lagos. They carried out arbitrary designation of the boundary between the North and South. They are foreign people. They put one boundary at Odo Otin and the other at Budo Egba. They didn’t consult anybody. You can’t see any record. You only have it in history that a boundary was created.

“We have been agitating that these boundaries should be removed and our brothers joined with the South West. That had been our agitation for long and this is one of the reasons why Afonja Descendants Union was formed and to promote Ekundayo panel report on the matter. Yes, Ekundayo is dead, but we are alive. We want the Ekundayo panel report to be published because it favours Afonja. The conclusion of that Ekundayo report was that in the event of a vacuum being created in Ilorin emirate, succession to the throne should be done by plebiscite between the Afonja and Alimi families. Up till now, the report of the panel has not seen the light of the day.

“Our son, Governor Mohammed Lawal, could not even publish it and that’s one of our struggles with Lawal. We wanted him to do it so we could be liberated. So, we are appealing to this government that the panel report is published and implemented and the boundaries removed,” he said.

Alhaji Olola Kasumu, who emphasised that Ilorin people speak only one language, which is Yoruba, for commercial, religious and all other interactions, added that it was in Ilorin that the Holy Quran was translated to Yoruba, “and not to Fulfude (Fulani)....

Are the yorubas still weeping over Kwara? What then will they do about Oyo?

Are the yorubas still weeping over Kwara? Oyo sef is almost gone .

doublewisdom:
Are the yorubas still weeping over Kwara? Oyo sef is almost gone .

An indigene of FULANI REPUBLIC spotted...

Ritchiee:
An indigene of FULANI REPUBLIC spotted...

Why do you lot like this Kwara state so much? Isn't that the same state that was cursed into servitude by an Alaafin of Oyo?

Personally, I'd rather have the Yorubas in Kogi and Itsekiris - than Kwara. It isn't like the state has anything to offer and the people from there are ultra-religious Muslim wingnuts who're comfortable in being slaves to the caliphate and Islam - than anything to offer. You can smell trouble from afar, but rather than leave it alone - you still want to drag it into your house - cray.

The state has no resources. It has been cursed. I don't even know any prominent Yoruba achiever from the state. The people love servitude to Northerners. They have a lot of Muslim fanatics etc.. Leave that state alone - it isn't desirable at all. It's just a buffer zone to the North and that's what it should be used for.

Ritchiee you are dodging my question. You cant change history. Prove to me that Ilorin is yoruba homeland. Your claim that the first people who entered a land are the indigenes is false. History shows thats most of our villages and kingdoms today had pple occupying them before being overrun or absorbed into a new civilization. Australia had aborigines, America had red indians and north Africa had negroes. You cannot declare a place a traditional settlement if you dont have a civilization running in that place for centuries. Such civilization must include established system of administration, culture, traditon, language or dialect and, religion. I asked again, name the Obas of ilorin before afonja incident, the name of yoruba sub-group that lived there, their dialect etc

afonja was from oyo

Shymm3xx:
Why do you lot like this Kwara state so much? Isn't that the same state that was cursed into servitude by an Alaafin of Oyo?

Personally, I'd rather have the Yorubas in Kogi and Itsekiris - than Kwara. It isn't like the state has anything to offer and the people from there are ultra-religious Muslim wingnuts who're comfortable in being slaves to the caliphate and Islam - than anything to offer. You can smell trouble from afar, but rather than leave it alone - you still want to drag it into your house - cray.

The state has no resources. It has been cursed. I don't even know any prominent Yoruba achiever from the state. The people love servitude to Northerners. They have a lot of Muslim fanatics etc.. Leave that state alone - it isn't desirable at all. It's just a buffer zone to the North and that's what it should be used for.

You are right,bruh.The treacherous way the fulani hegemony is trying to hold onto that town(Ilorin)is what irks me a lot.We have a lot of Kwarans in Lagos who are doing quite well...very well..if I may say.I know they have more landed propertities than any group in Lagos and maybe they do not give a poo about what happens to the throne in Ilorin.It is the Ilorin people, not all of them, partly the ones gaining politically and the very ones thinking that an Oba in Ilorin will jeopardize the islamic faith therein.I have friends amongst them and this is basically their only fear.
Eeh bruh,most yoruba elders don't share your thought,if you care to know.Have you been to Oyo...Ibadan before?I have and have spent almost two weeks there.Can assure you they have more muslims than the whole of Kwara not to talk of the town of Ilorin and you know what?....they live happily ever after.
On a serious note,you would not like to lose your land to immigrants...would you?

Noneroone:
Ritchiee you are dodging my question. You cant change history. Prove to me that Ilorin is yoruba homeland. Your claim that the first people who entered a land are the indigenes is false. History shows thats most of our villages and kingdoms today had pple occupying them before being overrun or absorbed into a new civilization. Australia had aborigines, America had red indians and north Africa had negroes. You cannot declare a place a traditional settlement if you dont have a civilization running in that place for centuries. Such civilization must include established system of administration, culture, traditon, language or dialect and, religion. I asked again, name the Obas of ilorin before afonja incident, the name of yoruba sub-group that lived there, their dialect etc

afonja was from oyo

llorin was a military outpost;thus,it was under
Afonja,an Aareonakakanfo(Field Marshall) and not an Oba.
He was the 4th in hierarchy after the Alaafin,Oyo Mesi et al.

The sub-group that lived there were/are called Yoruba Ilorin.

Their dialect needs no introduction fa;ask your brothers there about the people who emphasize their statements with fa

Noneroone:
Ritchiee you are dodging my question. You cant change history. Prove to me that Ilorin is yoruba homeland. Your claim that the first people who entered a land are the indigenes is false. History shows thats most of our villages and kingdoms today had pple occupying them before being overrun or absorbed into a new civilization. Australia had aborigines, America had red indians and north Africa had negroes. You cannot declare a place a traditional settlement if you dont have a civilization running in that place for centuries. Such civilization must include established system of administration, culture, traditon, language or dialect and, religion. I asked again, name the Obas of ilorin before afonja incident, the name of yoruba sub-group that lived there, their dialect etc

afonja was from oyo

I did not evade your question.I have answered it up there.Afonja brought civilization to Ilorin because he represented Oyo empire.Fulanis and the others met Afonja in Ilorin.Even if Afonja met anybody,they were yoruba.Why didn't you ask yourself why the fulanis killed Afonja before installing an emir.Remember two captains can never man a ship....one must go..

Go to those sites and read.

World Statesmen.org

http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=11281

Ritchiee:
You are right,bruh.The treacherous way the fulani hegemony is trying to hold onto that town(Ilorin)is what irks me a lot.We have a lot of Kwarans in Lagos who are doing quite well...very well..if I may say.I know they have more landed propertities than any group in Lagos and maybe they do not give a poo about what happens to the throne in Ilorin.It is the Ilorin people, not all of them, partly the ones gaining politically and the very ones thinking that an Oba in Ilorin will jeopardize the islamic faith therein.I have friends amongst them and this is basically their only fear.
Eeh bruh,most yoruba elders don't share your thought,if you care to know.Have you been to Oyo...Ibadan before?I have and have spent almost two weeks there.Can assure you they have more muslims than the whole of Kwara not to talk of the town of Ilorin and you know what?....they live happily ever after.
On a serious note,you would not like to lose your land to immigrants...would you?

But you can't compare Oyo to these people, since Oyo has a rich history. And apart from being the nucleus of what is called Yoruba today - the generic language everyone speaks is the Oyo dialect. So, the average Oyo person understands the essence of the identity better than anyone else. Maybe, those from Ife would be a close second.

Also, when doing inclusion - you have to always weigh the negatives and positives. Check what they're bringing to the table via a vis how they can negate/derail progression. And where their allegiance lies.

I have done my research about the state and, apart from land, they don't have that much resources. And when you look at human resources - it's not like they're high flyers. Then the history is a very shady one and they're very comfortable under the lordship of the caliphate. So, what's the point? Those clamouring for the state are just doing it to boost their ego and not for anything cerebral.

Leave those people where they're.

I know I shouldn't be the one saying this but you lot will just end up bringingvFulani Afonja terrorists into the union of sane person. And they'll be the Fulani foot soldiers that would end up destroying everything cos they sure look like Manchurian candidates.

The fact that you lot can't see that the same people were the ones they used to clipping Tinubu's wings and influence within APC - shows a lot of you don't understand anything. And I don't even like Tinubu but the politics is too obvious for anything who understands politics to miss.