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| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 10:46pm On Aug 30, 2016 |
seggzz:And using a God to fill ur ignorance is the most advanced technique right  and we can see some sort of bias in some of its theories and laws.Pls can u give examples ? So why make hasty generalization of no god? As i said before, i mean knowledge and reason need to grow to first understand the nature(creation) before we dismiss any creator. To defined this is what god is bias and lack reasons but does not mean we cannot wait to study the creation. It is only Atheists who cannot wait and conclude there is no creator. I am being honest now that i don't have enough information to define the concept of God. The only thing i always disagree with atheist is that God doesn't exist. I am a deist and we don't share any ideologies with Christians except the creator they are dogmatic about. Most of our ideologies are same with atheist except their dogma belief in non existence of god. In the first place i asked three questions in my first post and yet no answer. Then you expect me to throw more light on yours, ehn? We don't claim to have answers to all things. We are also scientists who spend our time making findings on nature but atheists claim to know and so they conclude there is no god. Do you want to dismiss there is no creation? If there is creation it makes sense to still accept for now there is a creator than your conclusion. It is really childish and illogical to asked me to prove who create god and yet you can't prove the nature is accidental or eternal within nature.I guess u are new on NL. I have explained several times on this forum on most atheist stance on God. I never said God does not exist. Rather I don't believe in God. This means that there might be a God but there is insufficient evidence for any right now. So I don't believe. Am an agnostic atheist, u can google that word for more info. I think nature is not made up by anybody, so is nature a creation, eternal within nature or accidental? if you claim nature is not a creation.We don't know for now. But that should not make us call upon a deity to fill our ignorance. And there are lots of reason to believe that it is an accidentalproduct. Astroids crashing into Jupitar, Solar winds making planets naked, galaxies colliding, black holes colliding, super nova destroying planets, etc Who designed this shit |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 7:55am On Aug 31, 2016 |
[quote author=ValentineMary post=48939046] And using a God to fill ur ignorance is the most advanced technique rightLike Isaac Newton seeing the apple fall to the ground and then discovering the law of gravity. It then describes rationalization as first accepting an idea and then searching for evidence to support it, like someone inventing the idea of the creator and then saying the creator created the universe. Deism says it is rationality and reason that leads to God. To we deist, the evidence is the creation and the idea of what brought about the evidence is the Creator. There is absolutely nothing known to man that created itself. For example, if someone shows us a TV, and tells us that all the individual parts that make up the TV just came about by chance, that they somehow just formed into a perfectly working TV system all by themselves, we would be foolish to believe that person. Reason, if we use it, won't let us believe a statement like that. Likewise, if someone tells us the ever growing creation(nature) and its arrangement or oganization "happened" by pure chance, we are under no obligation to believe them. From our own experience we know everything created has a creator. Why then should the creation itself be different? Pls can u give examples ?Have you heard the Observer-expectancy effects? This is a bias in science where there is bias in what he/she observed(experimented) and what is expected. Example in medical is found in a science journals or paper by Hodges & Scofield in 1995 and many more. We have publication bias, funding bias, cultural bias, reality bias, placebo bias and many more. You could google each to find out more and examples for yourself [i] I guess u are new on NL. I have explained several times on this forum on most atheist stance on God. I never said God does not exist. Rather I don't believe in God. This means that there might be a God but there is insufficient evidence for any right now. So I don't believe. Am an agnostic atheist, u can google that word for more info.If you read where i comments on a guy on who is my opponent. I said my opponent is any atheist who claims there is no god. it sound foolish or irrational to just make that assertion without any evidence. Once again, the reason behind accepting there is a creator is because there is a creation as just Newton did. It is a just a reason!!!. What are your proofs that the nature is accidental as you said?[b][/b] |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 8:26am On Aug 31, 2016 |
ValentineMary:Working at own understanding or view, let us assume you said nobody created it. From what we know in science, matter are naturally in the state of rest.I am sure you know our earth is in the state of motion. Who set this matter in the state of motion since we know that matter is naturally at rest? or Is Motion properties of matter? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 12:48pm On Aug 31, 2016*. Modified: 3:42pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
SHALOM! seggzz:I CANNOT ACCEPT MINIMIZING THE OPPONENTS' POSITION AS VALID ARGUMENT. I believe that most Atheists cannot be just written off as those sorts of fools. Everyone has a Reason for whatever they do- there is such a thing as the inability to articulate one's reasons, yes- but no Atheism I have seen was ever like that. Whereas Atheists may advance many reasons for their Unbelief, THERE IS ALWAYS ONE VERY REASONABLE READY-REASON THEY USE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. [color=#ffffff].[/color] JOHN 1:18. 18. No man hath seen God at any time, the only Begotten Son, which is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him. THE BIBLE DEPICTS GOD AS COMING DOWN TO THE EARTH TO CHAT WITH PEOPLE, TO GUIDE THEM, OR, ON OCCASION, TO FIGHT WITH THEM. However, not even the Saints of God who served Him more or less faithfully for decades of their lives, could boast of having SEEN GOD. The people who preach God to the Atheists cannot testify of having seen The God Whom they preach. It is insulting to a person's intelligence to say that they have no grounds for disbelief in God. They don't have evidence for their belief and they rely on science that is plague with its own problems and limitations.THEIR inability to see God is clearly due to their own Sinfulness and Wickedness. [color=#ffffff].[/color] ISAIAH 59:1-4. BEHOLD, The LORD's Hand is not shortened, that It cannot save; neither His Ear heavy, that It cannot hear: 2. But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your Sins have hid His Face from you, that He will not hear. 3. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. 4. None calleth for Justice, nor any pleadeth for Truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. OKAY, OKAY, ALREADY...! But what is the excuse of the "Worshippers of God," who have not seen God, either? [color=#ffffff].[/color] MATTHEW 5:8. 8. "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." THIS IS WHERE THE HYPOCRISY OF THOSE WHO CRITICIZE THE MOTES IN OTHER PEOPLE'S EYES, WHILST IGNORING THE I-BEAM IN THEIRS' BECOMES AN INSURMOUNTABLE OBSTACLE TO COMMUNICATION. The Worshippers invariably LIE, at this point. Their belief is also dogmatic as Christians.IT IS NOT PURE DOGMA: THERE IS A REASONABLE REASON FOR THEIR UNBELIEF. There is something scientists called the dark matter in the galaxy. Science don't have explanation on specific general properties of it.THE BELIEF IN "DARK MATTER" CAME ABOUT FROM THE DISCREPANCY IN THE CALCULATED MASS OF THE UNIVERSE, VERSUS THE OBSERVABLE MASS IN THE UNIVERSE. They figured that, if the BIG BANG THEORY was correct, there should have been about ten times more Mass than what they were able to observe. They called this "missing" mass "DARK MATTER." THE BIG BANG THEORY has been discarded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-B2hACS0dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI_OZZ_G4SI THE DARK MATTER THEORY has also allegedly been discarded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7H5QEKsns0 (Actually, I cannot find my original reference.) The thing is: I do not believe in Astronomy, because I do not believe in "OUTER SPACE." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IoG2qi6E0 I believe the Earth to be a DYSON SPHERE, and that all claims to the contrary are fraudulent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0yBX68g3vk They couldn't know how to explain to people that it exists.Actually, they were quite articulate in their claims that Dark Matter existed. There is no reason to make them out to be fools, who did not know what they were talking about. THERE IS THE REAL SCIENCE, WHICH IS KNOWN ONLY TO THE CHOSEN FEW OF THE INNER CIRCLES AND UPPER HIERARCHIES- and there is what they will tell you in SCHOOL- otherwise known as "POOP."THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID, AT ALL. I never said that what I call "Real Science" is above the study of Nature or Creation. (Do you make a habit of changing people's arguments in order to debunk them?) Real Science is indeed the study of Nature and creation- but that is not entirely what is taught in Public Schools. In the Science Labs I was educated in, we were told what we should observe when we did the experiments, and punished when our experiments did not tally with the Theories were were told were ABSOLUTE LAWS governing the outcome of said experiments. When ever i speak of nature some only thinks of planets and so. Nature comprises of all non man made things which include You(human and other living things), planets, galaxy(s) and many more...So you believe in "PLANETS" and "GALAXIES," as you were taught about them in Public School? I was obliged to participate in something they called the INDUSTRIAL TRAINEE Programme, where, for no extra pay, we were ordered to give Advanced Science Students practical instruction experience that they had paid the University for already, but were not getting in their classes. I had to teach YEAR III Microbiology Students how to use a MICROSCOPE. They had usually never even TOUCHED a microscope before, IN THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. Yet, in three years time, they would graduate- and if they came to work in my Health Centre, I would be obliged to call them "BOSS, SIR, MA'AM!" This is ridiculous! Imagine having a FIVE-YEAR COURSE in PHOTOGRAPHY- and you do not even get to TOUCH a CAMERA, until the THIRD YEAR? This is how they CHEAT our STUDENTS and their SPONSORS. How can any sane person call THAT "SCIENCE." (This programme has been discontinued in our department, at least.) What our people are being taught is NOT SCIENCE. You believe in PLANETS and GALAXIES. Have you EVER looked at any of them through a TELESCOPE? Have you ever TOUCHED a Telescope before- much less used one to look at STARS? The Oyinbos CLAIM to have OBSERVED certain things, and to have done certain calculations based on those observations, and obtained certain results. At any point, they could be lying. YOU and most of our fellow countrymen, do not have access to the equipment they claim to base their findings on. We are susceptible to the whole thing being a HOAX. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgFlbgwWf94 I was shocked, being interested in Astronomy Findings since about the age of 7, to learn that some of the key "TRUTHS" of Astronomy were not in fact true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXsq1C6Rkus IF THE EARTH WERE ORBITING THE SUN IN A A 200 MILLION-MILE CIRCLE, WE WOULD SEE MORE PARALLAX. It is claimed that there IS no parallax- stars moving behind one another, and then back, as the Earth resumes its position- where there should be, if the Stars are at the distances claimed. However, KENT HOVIND, the Evangelical Christian Creationist has pointed out that EXPERIMENTAL ERROR does not allow Science to measure distances further than 20 light-years away. CONCAVE EARTH and FLAT EARTH Theory claims that the Sun, Moon, Planets, and Stars are much closer, and much smaller than the Secular Scientists say, and that the discrepancy is covered up by lying. STEVEN CHRISTOPHER thinks that the GALAXIES are actually microscopic, and they are SAND SWIRLS left in the GLASS FIRMAMENT SKY, when "THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN" were opened, to cause THE GREAT FLOOD. Don't just blame the whites also blame the blacks because they contribute more to their problem than them.I happen to know exactly whereof I speak. The Blacks cannot be blamed for our National Problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-a6jzU0YgQ THE COLONIAL ERA NEVER ENDED. The Whites continued and continue to perceive Africa and Africans as their personal property. They use illegal and immoral means to coerce Africans into betraying their fellow countrymen. Those who refuse to cooperate are eliminated and replaced by those who will cooperate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-a6jzU0YgQ A stranger can't know your family better than yourself.That is very nice, when we are talking about families with little or no exposure to the Outside World. Several years ago, MTN did a Quiz Show, where Families were obliged to show the public how much they really knew about one another: "What is your Brother's Favorite Colour, Food, Sport, Music, etc. etc.." One family did very well, while another family did very poorly. It was like this family were raised separately, and only came together for this show! The basis of Medicine is that the Doctor knows more about your body than you do. The basis of Psychology is that the Psychologist knows more about your mind than you do. The basis of Psychiatry is that the Psychiatrist can evaluate your sanity better than you. The basis of the Detective is to know the Criminals better than they know themselves. The Oyinbos are capable of knowing your family better than you know it; it is called "PROFILING." If you want to know more about it, watch the TV Shows: SHERLOCK and ELEMENTARY- which are based on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's SHERLOCK HOLMES character. Also look at the show, LIE TO ME, which is based on the Profiling work of Dr. CAL LIGHTMAN. Just from looking at you, an expert Profiler can discern your state of mind, your probable profession, your family relationships- all sorts of things you think are hidden from the World. IT IS THEIR JOB. Their Intelligence Corps understand Languages better than Native Speakers. Don't let the vapid facial expressions fool you. What is really interesting is where their Computer Programmers- who have algorithms to simulate our societies, and predict our futures. (I realized this was going on, when I asked about the RACTER Programme on YAHOO! ANSWERS, and was shut down by the GATEKEEPERS.) You really do not know what you are talking about, using such a preMedieval Analogy. Christianity and Islam for example is more prominent in Africa than the native countries.RUBBISH! You have never been to those countries- so how would you know? Who gets executed for apostacy from Islam in Nigeria? Most Africans now take Quran and Bible as the words of good.You mean "Words of God?" Have you a point, here? Taking The Bible to be "THE WORD OF GOD" is not particularly meaningful in Christianity, because there are several ways to interpret The Bible without coming close to the intentions of GOD who inspired some of The Books of The Bible. GOD NEVER COMMANDED JEWS NOR CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE.
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| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Ranchhoddas: 2:17pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
@ Oaroloye ....what do mean when you say you don't believe in outer space? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 3:11pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
seggzz:From the time of the big bang we don dey move. The universe has never been static. The energy from the big bang caused this motion. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 3:36pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
Seggzz for some reason I could not quote you. So I would reply u here. U said the evidence of a creator is the creation, this is not a good way to argue. It is talking in circles. It's like saying the evidence of spiderman is spiderman comic. It is not logical to say that u would agree. As for how nature came to this complex state, that would lead us to evolution. I believe we are accidental product of nature shapened by evolutionary process. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 3:54pm On Aug 31, 2016*. Modified: 4:10pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
seggzz:When pompous people like yourself fail to explain what you mean by such statements, when you claim that you know, of course people suffer in ignorance. "I HAVE NEVER SEEN WISDOM BENEFIT ANYONE, WHEN ONE KEEPS IT TO ONESELF."- L. Ron Hubbard. They forget that scripture is meant to take us as slaves.REALLY? Did you know that the Oyinbos had The Bible for over a thousand years before they knew that our people existed? I do not think you do. I think that you are so blinded by hatred, that you can only think that The Bible was made up specifically to enslave Black people. Did you ever hear that YAHSHUA and the Ancient Hebrews were all BLACK PEOPLE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W65rxTT4ZY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwL4CGf7PDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfuav0DNVVc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZe4N6VtOtE SINCE THE OYINBOS HAD THE BIBLE BEFORE THEY EVER MET US, WHOM DID THEY ENSLAVE WITH THOSE SCRIPTURES? Was there some difference between The Bible that was not used to enslave THEM, and The Bible that was allegedly used to enslave Black people? Is there a difference between that Bible, and The Bible that is not enslaving people today? The scriptures make us see our blood sisters and brothers as enemies.YES, IT DOES! Thieves, Adulterers, Murderers, Coveters, Witches, Sorcerers, Bestials, and Homosexuals are shown by the Scriptures to be our Enemies. You disagree? You are still blinded by this human made books!HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE SCRIPTURES HAVE BLINDED ME, WHEN YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY HAVE MADE ME TO SEE?? That is the sort of confused thinking The Bible can be used to remedy. So you are defending your own bible god?I suppose that it must seem that way to you. You criticize Atheists, but you yourself have not known God, nor made any serious attempt to know God. If you do not believe in YAHWEH GOD, which God do you believe in? How does one know this God you Believe in, and what good can He do us? If you really knew anything, you would discuss THAT, instead of ranting and raving pointlessly after your one point had been made. There are proofs that bible is not the words of god.CONGRATULATIONS! You have scored a GOAL in a Soccer Pitch where no match was being played. Nobody told us to believe in a "BIBLE." The Eunuch Origen Adamantius picked which Writings should be regarded as Scripture, and gave them to the Roman Catholic Church, who murdered everyone who disagreed with them, until nobody could challenge their concept of the canon to their face. Their Canon has some good books- it could have had better books. It does not matter. Your bible is full with contradictions, terrors, slavery, repettions, immoral teachings and the likes. "WHEN THE WISE MAN POINTS AT THE MOON,Instead of talking about The BOOK, you should be talking about The One Whom The Book is ABOUT. Don't just bring that man made book forward.THE PEOPLE WHO COMPILED THE BIBLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE WERE NOT ON THE SAME LEVELS. The people who compiled The Bible are not worth considering. Talking about The Bible being "man-made," as a negative, is just plain foolish. Can you prove that your bible is the word of god?HAVE YOU EVEN HEARD OF MY BLOGSITE? OF COURSE I CAN. Simply, and straightforwardly. GOD ENCODED THE ACCESS TO HIS REALM AND HIMSELF IN THE DIETARY LAW OF THE TORAH. Bible-Users are divided into two categories: Those who KNOW that- and GLUTTONOUS FOOLS! [color=#ffffff].[/color] LEVITICUS 11:1-12. AND The LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, 2. "Speak unto the Children of Israel, saying, 'THESE ARE THE BEASTS WHICH YE SHALL EAT AMONG ALL THE BEASTS THAT ARE ON THE EARTH. 3. 'WHATSOEVER PARTETH THE HOOF, AND IS CLOVENFOOTED, AND CHEWETH THE CUD, AMONG THE BEASTS, THAT SHALL YE EAT.' 4. "Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 5. "And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 6. "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 7. And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8. “of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are Unclean to you. 9. “These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. 10. "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an Abomination unto you: 11. "They shall be even an Abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in Abomination. 12. "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an Abomination unto you." GOD CREATED THE HUMAN RACE, AND THEREFORE KNOWS BEST HOW TO OPTIMIZE THE HUMAN ORGANISM. Left to ourselves, Human beings lose 90% of our Conscious Awareness and forfeit 99% of our Life Force. THE KOSHER/TREIF LAW teaches us how to recover our lost Conscious Awareness, recover our lost Life Force, and Discern Truth and Error. THE CLEAN BEAST is one which CHEWS THE CUD and PARTS THE HOOF. THE GOOD FISH is one that has both FINS AND SCALES. The Chewing the CUD symbolizes MEDITATION. The correct technique of MEDITATION involves ASSIMILATING the entire Bible, by reading it aloud- then, taking a "mouthful" sample of it, and saying it to oneself audibly, hundreds into thousands of times per day. This forces the subconscious associations to become conscious, overloading the blocks that prevent such access. Continued in all 613 Fundamental Commandments, one will eventually become 100% Conscious. One's Life Force will replenish, since the leakages will be plugged, and The Talents will Rehabilitate. [color=#ffffff].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25:1-46.) 1. TOTAL RECALL. 2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. 3. TELEKINESIS. 4. TELEPORTATION. 5. TRANSLATION. 6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE. The Process unfolds over the course of years, during which one cannot doubt that one is following in the same footsteps of those who encountered God in The Bible, and in Legend. SORTING THE FISH is Basic Training for Discerning which thoughts to keep, while meditating, and which to dismiss. People like you are always wasting your Understanding Opportunities by entertaining useless thoughts. Judging God, and judging The Bible for Ancient Practices that have nothing to do with you. While peeing away your own shot at LITERAL IMMORTALITY. [color=#ffffff].[/color] JOHN 8:30-32. 30. As he spake these Words, many believed on him. 31. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my Disciples indeed; 32. "And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you Free." [color=#ffffff].[/color] JOHN 14:1-7. "LET not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2. "In my Father's House are many Mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4. "And whither I go ye know, and The Way ye know." 5. Thomas saith unto him, "Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know The Way?" 6. Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7. "If ye had known me, ye should have Known my Father also: and from henceforth ye Know Him, and have seen Him." YAHWEH GOD GAVE MANKIND THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO PROVE THAT THEY COULD NEVER FIND THE WAY WITHOUT HIS HELP. Therefore, THE TRUTH can only be known by following YAHSHUA. Yahshua didn't tell anyone to follow a "BIBLE," he Commanded those who wanted to be Saved to obey HIS Teachings. When one has attained EVERLASTING LIFE, one has the unlimited ability to see the events of the Past, and know for a fact what really happened. The Oyinbo BIBLE-ABUSERS never wanted their own people, let alone other races to gain this ability. That would not have mattered, if people had simply followed YAHSHUA'S instructions, and ignored other voices. http://seggzz2005..com.ng/2016/08/questions-that-revealed-atheists.html[/quote] |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 4:14pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
ValentineMary:OYINBO ATHEISTS SAY that: "IF THE BIBLE IS PROOF OF YAHWEH GOD/YAHSHUA'S EXISTENCE, THEN THE SPIDER-MAN COMIC IS THE PROOF OF SPIDER-MAN'S EXISTENCE." They surely laugh at you for being stupid, when you repeat this argument, proving that you lack the intelligence to think for yourself. HOW WOULD THE SPIDER-MAN COMIC PROVE THAT SPIDER-MAN EXISTED? The Spider-Man comic is based on a man named PETER PARKER, resident in QUEENS, NEW YORK, and a Student of the EMPIRE STATE UNIVERSITY. Later founder and CEO of PARKER INDUSTRIES, who was bitten by a radioactive Spider, and received genetically-transmissible Spider-like Powers. Therefore, to verify this story, we should search for anyone named PETER PARKER, resident in Queens, New York, who fits the description. We should check if any such person was ever a student at the EMPIRE STATE UNIVERSITY. We should find if any such corporation as PARKER INDUSTRIES exists. If none of those things checked out, it would be foolish to try to get someone bitten by a radioactive Spider- because it might kill them! BUT TO VERIFY THE EXISTENCE OF YAHWEH/YAHSHUA, WE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING THEY PROMISED, WHICH COULD ONLY COME TO PASS, IF THEY EXISTED. [color=#ffffff].[/color] JOHN 14:21-27. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my Sayings: and the Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me. 25. "These things have I spoken unto you, being (yet) present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, (which is) The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." THE OYINBOS DELETED THIS PROMISE FROM THEIR MAIN VERSIONS OF CHRISTIANITY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzOknuZ1d5w They never wanted lay-people to be able to access GOD for themselves.
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| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 5:05pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
SHALOM! Ranchhoddas:Seriously speaking, I believe that the Earth is in fact CONCAVE in shape, and we live on the inside of a 10,000 mile wide Sphere. The Sun, the Moon, the Planets, and the Stars are all within this enclosure with us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IoG2qi6E0 Properties of light that we are not familiar with prevent us from being able to perceive this with our naked eyes. The Sky looks like a DOME over our heads, whereas it is actually a SPHERE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0yBX68g3vk There are no "light-year" distances, there are no enormous planets and stars. NASA has lied and lied and lied to cover this up. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Ranchhoddas: 5:42pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
oaroloye:Just when I thought I'd heard it all...Does this mean that the Apollo Moon Landing did not take place; or that it happened within a ten thousand mile radius; how did you even come about this figure in the first place? Do you know that people like Richard Branson and Elon Musk are working on space tourism- I mean a program that will allow anyone with a few thousand or perhaps few hundred dollars to make a trip to space in a few years? Are these people also lying to us or are their intentions confined to TEN THOUSAND MILES? Do you know that there are people aboard the International Space Station, literally living in space as we speak, are they also confined to this TEN THOUSAND MILES or is the ISS another lie? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by theoneJabulani(m): 5:53pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
oaroloye:so we live in the inner part of the earth? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 6:26pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
ValentineMary:According to rules of logic you have made many illogical statements. Firstly, you left the real arguments to attack the way i argue. How does this answer those questions i asked you. I asked you for evidences of your claims.and you're diverting the main points.Secondly, You committed what logics called wrong analogy, it should be like this; "it's like saying evidence of a spider is spider web". Your analogy is wrong, spider man is given natural attributes and so, what should follow the relation should be natural attribute.You failed this test of logic. Another analogy for evidence of creation is this; if we can see spider web it is not too far or unreasonable to say that spider exist. Even if you can't see the spider but you can see the web, don't you think atheist conclusion about the spider non existence is unreasonable? So your arguments is illogical from the above proofs. I have answer most of your questions with some evidences or proofs yet you couldn't give me any. As for how nature came to this complex state, that would lead us to evolution. I believe we are accidental product of nature shapened by evolutionary process.The last time again, what is your evidence or proofs that nature is accidental?. If you don't have any proof, please don't make this statement again. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by oaroloye(m): 7:33pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
theoneJabulani:Yes, we live on the inside of the Earth. Can you view the videos? I tried to get a couple of the shortest ones. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 7:38pm On Aug 31, 2016 |
ValentineMary:You still believe in big bag theory? It is not yet a fact but a mere guess by some scientists. There are large disagreements among scientists in the world. So bringing this here as part of arguments facts is illogical. You shouldn't bring it forward. Guy, the truth remains that there is no good explanations, proofs or evidences that answered my questions so far. From my Merriam Webster dictionary, atheism is a doctrine there is no god. I refer to atheism as a doctrine of there is no god or god doesn't exist. Any other outside the umbrella of this doctrine that still claim atheism belief are just weak atheists or have no genuine stand under atheism. As i predicted in my first posts, the following quoted messages still happened. Atheists would place burden of proof on existence of god on their debaters rather proving what they were asked to prove Atheist have no evidence of proof that nature is accidental or eternal within nature Atheism is not authority of their own yet they gave a conclusive idea of no god Many atheists in this thread now claim say there maybe god yet lack belief in him(it seems they are running from the real meaning of atheism). Many atheists in this thread usually resort to some sort of fallacies such as argumetum ad hominem, false analogy, fallacy due to equivocation and limited dept as a way of dodging the real questions. They have no answers or evidences or proofs that all natural things (Life, death, universe, matter, energy,etc) any yet they claim no creator created them. It is really big sum of dishonesty and unreasonable mind. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 9:21am On Sep 01, 2016 |
seggzz:Lolz. Am tired of teaching theist basic science. If u don't know science, u should be studying instead of typing on nairaland. Dude I ans ur qus but u keep asking the same thing and keep believing what u want. When I read ur first line I was weakened. U have a very very poor method of arguing bro. I would advice u because it seems u are new here. Stick around and watch how other theist argue then u can learn. As for now, this conversation is over since u don't even know science then what am I arguing with u about |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 11:22am On Sep 01, 2016 |
seggzz:whats this So because he converted to deism that makes him right? What kind of a wack argument is this? (1). There is a nature(creation)like i said...nature(creation) arise without a creator... Lie more to yourself.. Oya prove me wrong if you can. Please don't run away or deviate as you normally do.is this a personal engagement of words or you want to learn?? Which is it ??You could prove me wrong in the above statements if you can(lol)u have made no valid statement dude... |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by raphieMontella: 11:39am On Sep 01, 2016 |
seggzz:nna u dont know science...asking if the big bang is a fact or iono what ur mind is saying... Learn quantum mechanics bruh... |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by CAPSLOCKED: 11:55am On Sep 01, 2016 |
ValentineMary: ENTIRELY. THE HEADER ITSELF IS A SHAME. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by promise10: 3:22pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
seggzz:100 TRILLION LIKES!!!!!! |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by promise10: 3:25pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
ValentineMary:I am yet to see you open a thread on the weakness of theism especially christianity, then I can address you on this topic of theism and atheism. Thank you |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by promise10: 3:36pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
ValentineMary:For you to ask this question of God's existence, it shows don't even know what God is! You know what? Just create a thread strictly for both of us so we can argue on the realty of God. I didn't mean to argue about his existence, because HE HAS NEVER FOR A DAY COME INTO EXISTENCE. That's why God is defined as a supreme being! You want to know more? Create a thread and invite me. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Ranchhoddas: 3:41pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
promise10:Hopefullandlord has been looking for you all the while. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by promise10: 3:44pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
CAPSLOCKED:Just as SHAMFUL AS YOU ARE! |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by promise10: 3:48pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:Oh my....., serious? I would still like to meet him on NL! But, do you have any idea on why he has been looking for me? Is it for another argument? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 4:03pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
ValentineMary:I have been in nairaland for sometimes now. I think i have spent over 5 or 6 years now on nairaland and some of my posts has hit front page. This is going to be lengthy because this is the last time i would quote you again. I would be presenting my points in questions and reply form. I have done alot of debates against religious organizations(Imam, Pastors,Churches voluntaries etc) beliefs and atheists dogma beliefs too. You can ask of Mr Show the popular debaters in unilag and lasu if you attend either. I am not surprised with your reaction now because you know you have no points. I would post the following so that people can read and learn as well. Question1: Which set of atheism are you talking about? Me: The set atheism i'm talking about are those atheists who according to Merriam Webster said god does not exist or there is no god. Question2: Can Atheists prove that The Universe Creator does not exist with evidence? EyeHateGod: The Universe Can not Be created Its Made up of Matter & Energy!! I don't wanna start stating basic laws here. Valentinemary: Sorry to disappoint u, I can't prove there is no creator Agwom: Poverty can not stop you from singing praises to the lord your God. Me:Who among the above people has been able to answer the question fully with the evidence asked? (A)EyeHateGod (B) Valentinemary (C) Agwom (D) None of the above. Their responses show they deviated and they don’t have answers to the above questions. Question3: Is nature a creation, eternal to nature, or an accident within nature? EyeHateGod: Its illogical to think that nature is a creation but it's logical to think that nature is eternal! Raphiemontella: the stars are in the universe..nobody said earth is eternal oga.. Earth is a planet that formed like one of the many other planets. Valentinemary: And there are lots of reason to believe that it is an accidentalproduct. We can see contradictions between EyeHateGod and raphiemontella replies. We can see that there are no that there is no reasons behind valentinemary choosing the accidental product as he said. You could go through valentinemary posts if you see any reasons for choosing that assertion. Question4: Is Big bang theory explanation or proof that universe is not a creation Me: using To summarized different sources, the name “big bang” was coined by Fred Hoyle an atheist. The theory itself is the work a Catholic Priest(George Lemaitre) that stated that universe is hot and it’s still in the state of expanding now and later in the future it will contract.And it will continue to contract to form singularity. The Priest uses this theory to explain Roman Catholic doctrines of the creation.Big bang theory did not have single reference of creation which would eliminate the creator. William Bonnor, Fred Hoyle and many hosts of atheists and theists strongly disagree with big bang theory of which later Fred Hoyle the coiner developed a new theory called steady state story. This steady state theory has not only been academically criticized for a lack of scientific evidence but for violating the second law of thermodynamic. Question: How do science work and is big bang theory of the universe tested? Me: A summarized format for the scientific method is as follows (1) Ask a question concerning observation which has been made (2) Propose a hypothesis which could explain the reason for the observation (3) Make a prediction (which would hold true if the hypothesis were correct) (4) Test the prediction (5) Draw a conclusion base on the outcome of the test. From the above methods of science, I can categorically said that big bang is not yet tested and is just an assumption for the universe. The word “Theory” in science is mostly used by science for hypothesis. So thinking it is tested is a lie. We cannot say for sure big bang theory is the final answer for the origin of the universe. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by theoneJabulani(m): 4:12pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
comMon seggz u can do better than this |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by Ranchhoddas: 4:26pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
promise10:You both have to finish what you started.. Hopefullandlord/hopefulandlord where art thou? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 7:26pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
oaroloye post SINCE THE OYINBOS HAD THE BIBLE BEFORE THEY EVER MET US, WHOM DID THEY ENSLAVE WITH THOSE SCRIPTURES?The bible contains the doctrine of slavery. It gave laws and methods of enslavers.The white do enslave themselves before they came to Africa. History told us about Ottoman wars in Europe was caused by slavery.Read on Aztec slavery, slavery in america before visiting Africa. Google them,you would be amazed at the numbers of historical slavery in the world. YES, IT DOES!You have forgotten verse in the quran that said that muslims should kill the infidel. And also the Christian doctrines that associate with unbelievers. Some Churches don't want you to marry outsider.The Pentecostal churches are enemies to Catholics and so on. Talking about The Bible being "man-made," as a negative, is just plain foolish.There are evidences that the bible is man made. The creator would not send books which teaches immoral teachings, enslave set of people for the others or with series of errors and contradictions. The organized arrangements of the universe; the ways sun didn't prevent earth from working neither do animals enslave themselves and so on. These tell us that the errors or mistakes, contradictions and other evil in that book(BIBLE) is the invention of man. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by ValentineMary(m): 8:19pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
promise10:Lol. I no get time to waste arguing with u. You sef know as e dey be na I would whop u back to back. |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by EyeHateGod: 9:01pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Seggzz U be confirm Olodo  So U Don't the diff between Universe And Earth? |
| Re: Questions That Revealed Atheists Weakness by seggzz(op): 9:19am On Sep 02, 2016 |
EyeHateGod:I am Olodo compare to the information available to be acquired about nature. I don't know much compare to what nature has in store for us. I am ready to study nature and its enormous benefits to the living things. Unlike atheists who do claim they know all it is there to know and couldn't answer this thread questions with a proof. How has this your statement comes to answer with evidence of questions raised on this thread? by the way, universe is synonymous to creation and the earth is part of the creation. Please learn this! Can you quote any of this post other than this i mention the differences between the earth and the universe? This is just another dishonest acts of deviation by the atheists. Your stretagy would not work here. He planned calling me Olodo so that I can also call him Olodo too and the purpose of the thread is forfeited. Again, your plans cannot cannot work here because i would not insult you back. Although one cannot prove something does not exist, one can refute or at least rebut a theory that something exist by logically demonstrating flaws in the theory. For example, if a denier of gravity released a marble that did not fall to the floor that would be proof that Newton's Law of Gravity it was flaw. For some atheists here, when they are asked that they should prove that god does not exist or there is no god, they quickly placed 'burden of proof' on the debaters. They don't even know when they should place burden on proof in logic. Just check example of when to place burden of proof in logic below. A dodging form of arguments J: A does not exist/ A does exist. K: why do you say A does not exist / exists? J: I am under no obligation to support my reasons for saying A does not exist / exists. (Discussion ends) Obviously, J is immature and illogical. Note: As can be seen from this form of argument, since J has taken it upon himself to make an affirmative statement (for or against something) then it is not unreasonable to expect him to offer his reasons for his statement. The valid form of argumentation: R: A does not exist / exists. S: why do you say A does not exist / exists? R: Here are my reasons: He listed the reasons out. ( here we can see that R person is logical and mature.) Just present a valid form of arguments as explained above Mr KNOW ALL |
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