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| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 9:34pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
What is noteworthy is there is no documented account of this Nri story before 1960 ,WHY? The truth is you folk have no history and now resort to faking one |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:35pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Lol. You asked for evidence which I have provided, to your utter dismay, and you are still trying to save face. Oh well, let's see what next punchline you come up with. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:36pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:There are tons of them. Please read the evidence I have provided and educate yourself. By the way, you are not Igbo. Why do Igbo discussions of possible Hebrew connections BOTHER you this much up to the point that you are very emotional on the internet about it? ![]() |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 9:38pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:Where is the Evidence that Nri priests were invited to Benin and they travelled far and wide that is what I asked for not the minutes of some akpu seminar? What is the source of your "EVIDENCE" does it not have a source? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:43pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Since Nri levitical laws and rituals abhor the spilling of human blood on mother earth, ana, in war or in peace, in violence or in play, the system proscribed military ways and militarism. This is unique. Nri system makes injunctions against the use of violence to achieve any human ends on earth. This was a society, though it developed an elaborate age-grade system and had over five thousand iron javelins and spear (alo and ngwuagiliga) and shields, yet ignored developing a military system. Its influence covered over 100,000 square kilometers of Igbo land where some settlements were warriors and ritual head-hunters and slavers. Killing was an abomination forbidden philosophically and practically. The spears and javelins were ritualized and used for status differentiation. It was not easy to instal this discipline on Ndigbo East and West of the Niger except through Nri levitical injunctions. Many obeyed and some disobeyed. Disobedience introduced new dimensions or relationship between disobedient settlements and Nri; such settlements were ostracized, until they repented; and non-repentance showered down physical mystical sufferings. Respect for human life was therefore sacrosanct.If you are little in knowledge about Nri's history and influence, you should seek to learn and be taught about its history rather than trying to belittle an ancient civilization, known as the cradle of the Igbo ethnic group. I am sure attempts to belittle Ife would not go down well with you the least. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:47pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
“In other words I am suggesting that a study of Igbo- Benin relations should not continue to be conceived narrowly as the impact of the Benin Empire on the West Niger Igbo. The impact of Igbo culture on Benin is the other side of that equation and till date it has been neglected. Yet there are suggestions in some surviving traditions of Benin’s contact with Nri, the heartland of Igbo culture, which at one time would appear to have been ahead of Benin in the race for the evolution of advanced civilization in these parts. True, Nri’s influence was ritual and artistic, informal and quiet - that is unaccompanied by the rolling of martial drums. Furthermore, it is known that Benin was aware of the existence of Arochukwu as a center of dreaded occult powers and wide- ranging commerce.” |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 9:50pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:quit the diversion and deal with the issue. DO youu have any eviddence to back up your claim that Nri priests were invited to witness coronations in Benin? I am very familiar with the publications of Onwuejogwu . If you scroll up you will find I mentioned his name earlier than you and have debated his work even here on Nairaland years ago REFER So I am a student of history and cannot be bamboozled. There is no evidence for any of the ridiculous claims you made |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by bigfrancis21(mod): 9:52pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
aribisala0:Nobody is 'bamboozling' (nice jab at trying to impress with your big grammar) you the least but educating you on what you should have known since 'you are a student of history'. Well, I suppose the very mention of these two words 'Igbo' and 'Hebrew' gives you an emotional breakdown. I don't know why but sorry to burst your bubble, the discourse is still very much around. Actually, the oldest continuous "kingdom" in what is called Nigeria today is the Nri. It is part theocracy and part monarchy. The priest-king of Nri was the spiritual anchor of the Idu up till the last of the 38th Ogiso. The Eweka dynasty, which began with the returnee Prince Orayan's child with the Idu woman possibly created the first kink in that relationship. From Nri anthropology, and according to one of Nigeria's greatest anthropologists, the late Angulu Onwuejiogu, there was no Ogiso who became Ogiso without taking the "Ofo na Alo" from EzeNri, whose representative always handed it. In one of the documents of Benin in Lisbon (to which Nowa Omogui has refered), there is an account of Portuguese visitors to the palace of the Benin in the 16th C. observing men whom the Benin courtiers described as the "sacred men from the East" describing astronomical systems to the King of the Idu. They were travelers and bearers of the instruments of peace. These were the Ozo emissaries of the Nri. As the excarvations at Igboukwu artefacts reveal Nri is a much more older culture than either Benin or Ife. But the more intriguing and exciting is what is yet to be talked about and older than the Nri hegemony: the union and dispersal of the five cognate entities that make up the ancient and dissapeared world before Kamalu's/Amadioha's heresy: the Agbaja, the Isu, the Oru, the Idu, and the Nri. What we call Benin today, or the Idu, was part of the Igbo world. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 10:02pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:You keep talking about me which shows the weakness of your position........... Talk about the issues Are you in a position to substantiate your claim about Nri Priests being invited to coronations in Benin? The longest documented kingdom in modern day Nigeria will be found in what is now known as Borno State .There are actually written records of court It is not NRI You keep banging on about Nri but cannot cite any names ,events , rites and so on . Stick to the issues my friend. I see you are struggling |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by IkpuMmadu: 12:35pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Ihuomadinihu:She used to live in satellite town and I know her Her mum is igbo |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by visita: 7:33pm On Jun 03, 2016 |
I'm Ebira. The only two words I've come across are Ozioma and Ejima. I can literally translate Ozioma to mean 'a child is born', dunno it's meaning in igbo, and ejima simply means twins, which I'm sure it's the same in igbo. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 7:51pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
there is no correlation between Igbo language and ebira language abeg. what nonsense!!!! |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by visita: 4:24pm On Jul 02, 2016 |
Joavid:What do you think of my post above? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by isaacputi(m): 2:41am On Jul 03, 2016 |
Brother I know but how come ebira has igbo elements in it, are they closer culturally to the igbos than other ethnic groups?Kogi is a confluence state that shares border with youruba, Hausa, ibo, Nupe, Edo etc |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by christopher123(m): 3:04am On Jul 03, 2016 |
Brother I know but how come ebira has igbo elements in it, are they closer culturally to the igbos than other ethnic groups?Pls explain what you mean by igbo elements for us |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by christopher123(m): 3:08am On Jul 03, 2016 |
visita:Ozioma is a name given to a child heralding good news Ejima is twins |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 9:53am On Jul 03, 2016 |
visita:you're right. I think the Benue people use ejima to describe twins too. looking at the history of ebira/egbira people, we have nothing in common with Igbos. although i know Igala's do. not Ebiras mercy Johnson dad is ebira(ihima), the mom I think is Igbo. they probably thought it's good to give her a name with similar spelling, a slightly different pronunciation but different meanings....I assume. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Ihuomadinihu: 9:43am On Jul 04, 2016*. Modified: 7:41am On Jul 05, 2016 |
Joavid:Smh. I literally shudder when people say they have ''Nothing in common'' with Igbos. For how long will this divide and control continue! Don't you know that Central/Southern Nigerian groups were once from a common source and ancestry? Or don't you know that most groups within the confluence have significant influence from Igbo and Yoruba? Or don't you know that the Kogi/Benue/Niger region is said to be the area where many Nigerian groups seperated? Can't you see the similarity in language and culture? Even Yoruba and Igbo the two biggest Southern groups have enough similarities between them dating back to when they branched off from a common source not to talk of Ebira tribe! It is one thing to acknowledge you don't like the igbos but to go far to state that you are totally different and have nothing in common is anomalous. A good number of Southern/Central Nigerian groups are either a mix of or derived from the bigger ethnic groups e.g Igala,yoruba,idoma igbo,edo etc. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by SUNNYsparkle: 7:53am On Jul 08, 2016 |
aribisala0:You have attempted woefully to disprove NRI and rewrite your own history. How come people left NRI for far away Ogwashi uku, today most of Delta North, speak a language very similar to those of Anambra and Enugu. What happened? If NRI people didn't travel that far, So also Edo never ventured into the eastern part of Nigeria as well. The fact remains that Igboid, Igala, Idomoid, Edoid, Ebira, Nupoid, Yoruboid were all members of one Family group, The Kwa language Family. It is believed that they spread out from the confluence of the Rivers Niger and Benue, probably around the present Ebira areas. Also a fact, is that both Igbo, Edo, Ebira, Igala, Idoma, Yoruba, Nupe etc. borrowed one others culture and also the culture of the ancient people they met at their present locations, The six groups interacted with each other and intermarried. There were migrations, cross migrations, counter migrations, wars, conquests, colonization, resistance, flights for safety, search for farm (ugbo/Igbo) etc. Also all the fairy tales and folklores about the origins of people as those of someone falling from sky and having 7sons as exemplified by Oduduwa and other funny stories are all lies |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by macof(m): 10:11pm On Jul 08, 2016 |
SUNNYsparkle:and nowhere in Yoruba itan about oduduwa is that told. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by cleoblizz332(f): 11:59pm On Jul 23, 2016 |
hamzasaidu975:there is ntn like ebira extracted from the Hausa's they are only close because of the religion. speaking about language I would have 100% support you if you say the Yoruba language but there is still similarities BTW Igbo and ebira language the difference is that a pure word in Igbo will mean something entirely different in ebira. I happen to have most of them as friends and neighbour |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by aribisala0(m): 9:56am On Sep 01, 2016*. Modified: 12:44pm On Sep 01, 2016 |
Ezemust:So majority of Igbos are fair skinned? Is that myth or reality? If one enters Igboland the place is full of fair skinned people? It is really necessary to examine why our minds work the way they do. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Ezemust: 7:52pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
aribisala0:are u just coming out of jail? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by ezugegere(m): 9:51pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
The only word I know that has the same meaning in Ebira and Igbo languages is 'ejima'. Ejima means twins in both languages. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 10:27pm On Sep 02, 2016 |
Do you have any source for this? victorels: |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Nobody: 8:09am On Sep 03, 2016 |
akpasubi777:I have seen cultures of some indigenous people of Nigeria. From the yoruba to those in the south south to the Ibos and those in Benue, the Eggons in Nassarawa, to different groups in plateau state; we are just the same. Everything that looked foreign or incompatible must be as result of foreign corruption or change to addapt to environmental changes and hazard. My observation is a valid source as long as it has not been disproved |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Owobobrown(m): 6:40pm On Sep 04, 2016 |
Chilug:bro true true you done stay for Okene b4,they love to bleach |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Matlab: 3:04am On May 08, 2017 |
ezugegere:wrong! the correct Ebira word is Adaguneva ; Ejima is nothing but a post colonial word of convenience. There is no room for "Eji" in Ebira to imply a multiple. Other Ebira groups in Nassarawa and FCT do not use Ejima |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by Probz(m): 7:31pm On May 08, 2017 |
ezugegere:Tnat particular word stems from Igala/Yoruba actually. But spoken Ebira sounds Igboid enough for a listener. |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by stanleechuks: 6:20pm On Jul 21, 2017 |
Really? |
| Re: Ebira Has Elements Of Igbo In It Or Am I Wrong by jantavanta(m): 7:42am On Jul 22, 2017 |
Orihi a a zu. Miri ne e zo. Ebira and Igbo for 'rain is falling' Both languages have their root in a mother language. |
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How do we know Igbos did not borrow them? Nri Priests know to travel far and wide? KNOWN how? by whom? How far? How wide? What evidence do you have for this? What evidence is there that there was anything like Igbo or Edo in 2500 BC ? The fact that there were people in Nsukka does not mean they were Igbo people or indeed that any of their descendants are around today. After all Jews were kicked out of Israel for centuries. You make too many assertions and assumptions without evidence. Even among modern Igbos there is no evidence that they share common ancestors what they share is customs and languages even Achebe said as much . It is very conceivable that you had hundreds of groups in Iboland and their languages and identity replaced by a bigger and more dominant culture this does not imply common ancestry just like how after 100 years of living together there is now such a thing as a "NIGERIAN" accent.