₦airaland Forum

Jcob:
Oga Op, God will elevate you to the position of an employer so you will understand how sweet the position is. You are just considering your own salary without looking at the compound picture of how many people to be paid per month, operational cost, maintenance, etc.

I can't count how many times have borrowed to pay salaries and employees would still think you are under paying.

When you have your own business, pay each worker N200,000 per month to justify their work.

[b]No matter what the employee inputs, the employer still inputs more and to make th[/b]e business a going concern, cost should be well managed!

Crap, the bolded is why you have been and will keep borrowing to pay salary. Oya now, since the employees are doing less, sack all of them and run your business alone. What you do is decision-making and probably drive in contracts because of the contacs you may have. Now, when the contracts comes, who does it, if the job fails whose is it. You may need to attend or re attend the business school I you have.

sisisioge:
Hmmm, English usually fails me at this point. Button line is that I'm also looking for work, been trying to change for a while now. The outrageous requirements is my biggest challenge...imagine being 26yrs with at least 10years experience! It is really well.

you may be surprised you will find someone that age with that years of experience. We fail to understand what "experience" means atimes. It is always relative

Goyim:
Have you ever heard of paragraphs or line spacing?

yes sir I have heard of it.I am so sorry I didn't apply it in my writeup because I wrote in a hurry.Thank you for the correction even though there are better ways you could have done that.

ujuvals:
That is the pay for permanent staff.I was told no extras ie no allowance of any kind,that's what they can offer.I just had to ponder about the work timing,even if you can't offer so much why set such a crazy work timing that would keep the person exhausted.if I were to spend the whole day in the office,six days a week what will my feeding expenses amount to?I mean what budget can I comeup with this amount.I want to work,I have a lot to offer them but honestly I can't be motivated on an empty stomach.God bless us all,its well.

Drop your email.

A friend is hiring

25k.........11 hrs........6days a week.......I wish the world will end right now

EfemenaXY:
Abegie.

Okay, I believe you. So the question is, how does one survive on this na? This kind pay na me and me only kind of salary for women only, or people still living with their parents.

Definitely not for a married family man with dependents. Onegai, your input pls...

This is not even pay me and only me sef. I was earning 25k at the job I worked after leaving school and trust me, I don't think my salary ever took me past the third week. All my salary went back into my transportation, feeding and bare essentials. And that was when we weren't facing a bloody recession. Trust me, 25k should not even be minimum wage.

majekdom2:
you may be surprised you will find someone that age with that years of experience. We fail to understand what "experience" means atimes. It is always relative

I think ten years is a bit exagerrated but on the side , volunteering & getting internship opportunities as an undergraduate could greatly boost your profile in the labour market.

It is not only about jumping about to gather certificates, you need to sometimes step out of your comfort zone by being willing to serve FOR FREE of course.

Very few Nigerians understand the tool of volunteering & selfless community service.

They all add up @ the end of the day.

@OP

I share in your pains and that of any other person in the same position with you. However, many a time some of you employees hard tell yourselves truth; the size and net profit (not just turnover or gross profit) of a company will always determine what it pays its employees. Cost of operating a company is not a small one. And every company owner(s) is in business to maximize profit, though it shouldn't be to the detriment of the staff and customers.

Take for example you apply for a job in a sachet water company and expects the company to pay you 300k per month just because of one useless portfolio designation they gave you. Does that make good sense to you? If you wished to earn big, prepare yourself well and apply for a job in a big and meaningful company. You cannot plant an orange and expect to harvest an apple.

I challenge you, if you are certain that you deserve better wage than that particular company has offered you, go into partnership with them by becoming their independent commission agent/consultant (subject to your professional role) - this is the best way go test how resourceful you are as a person. You will be a boss of your own while using their facilities and your earnings/profit will be subject to what you can bring to the table rather than what you assumed that you deserved.

even those that sell pure water earn twice of that every month. are these so called employers take the price of things into consideration ?

majekdom2:
you may be surprised you will find someone that age with that years of experience. We fail to understand what "experience" means atimes. It is always relative

Sure, they are a multitude compared to the few of us that fall short. By the way, that's an hypothesis, I have been working for a while now.

EfemenaXY:
Abegie.

Okay, I believe you. So the question is, how does one survive on this na? This kind pay na me and me only kind of salary for women only, or people still living with their parents.

Definitely not for a married family man with dependents. Onegai, your input pls...

It is better to earn N25,000 and live in Ondo state than to earn N25,000 and live in Lagos state. A cup of beans is now much more expensive than a cup of rice. You cannot survive without begging as even your transport costs alone will hurt (especially if the job is on the island and you live on the mainland).

See, offer something people need in this recession. I wouldn't mind some dresses for my LO but they cost a minimum of N8000 at the shop and Balogun is such a stressful place to go to. But I cannot find a reliable tailor. Imagine if I could, imagine if several thousand parents could. That's a business waiting to happen. If I find a decent tailor, she gets 10 customers and immediately jacks up her prices, dreaming big dreams. Every business needs their growing time, no beam sprout entered the soil and started producing beans the next week. So keep your prices reasonable, I'm sure N1000 per simple dress is reasonable. All you need is a machine.

There are a few other ideas floating around.

DMeanMan:
This your post is radical and contributes nothing to the topic.

The op opened the thread to voice her anger on being offered 25K per month and you're here saying employees get paid the exact value of what they add.

Pls don't tell me you're so delusional to believe "every employee gets paid what value they add".

Like the OP said, please have a conscience.

English is a problem. Read my post clearly sire

Diplomaticbeing:
@OP

I share in your pains and that of any other person in the same position with you. However, many a time some of you employees hard tell yourselves truth; the size and profit earning (not just turn over) of a company will always determine what it pays its employees.

Cost of operating a company is not a small one. Take for example you apply for a job in a sachet water company and expects the company to pay you 300k per month just because of one useless portfolio designation they gave you.

I challenge you, if you are certain that you deserve better wage than that particular company has offended you, [b]go into partnership with them by becoming their independent commission agent - [/b]this is the best way go test how resourceful you are as a person. You will be a boss of your own and your earnings/profit will be subject to what you can bring to the table rather than what you assumed that you deserved.

@ first bolded, a reason why many Nigerian entrepreneurs fail in business. There is what is called structure and no position is useless. Each business should be structured whether it's just one employee or 2. Each should know his responsibilities and be allowed to work. @ second bolded, we are always about sales forgetting quality should come first. Must every one work as a sales agent in such a company. There are other positions that will add value to your organisation. I ll share a file with you that will make you better understand. Entrepreneurship needs to be redefined to many Nigerians.

abdeiz:
Never ever let anyone remunerate you for less than what you're worth. Left for me I'd walk out, it ain't worth the hassle for that pay.

Very true. Knowing your worth truly matters.


That was how one employer hired me as an Accountant in his medium scale telecoms firm and offered to pay just #30k. l negotiated with him to make it #40k because of my transport and the work time which was also 8am to 7pm and he refused after 3 meetings with him.


On the last one, l told him l won't do the job after l had worked for one week while we still negotiated. Since he refused to add a meagre #10k, l told it to his face that l won't continue working with him. He preached on how he wanted me to stay and liked the way l had adapted to their system in just one week but l told him l was done and he offered to pay for the one week l had worked by the end of the month and bid me goodbye.

I moved from the city to another and secured a job in a firm that pays almost three times higher than what he offered but to my shock, the man called me after almost two months and told me to come back.


I told him l would only come back if he could pay me #90k plus #5k transport allowance. He hung up. Knowing your worth and not settling for less could pay off but at the same time, know when to say no because you might be in dire need of the peanut as at that time.

majekdom2:
Crap, the bolded is why you have been and will keep borrowing to pay salary. Oya now, since the employees are doing less, sack all of them and run your business alone. What you do is decision-making and probably drive in contracts because of the contacs you may have. Now, when the contracts comes, who does it, if the job fails whose is it. You may need to attend or re attend the business school I you have.

I am 100 percent sure you've never ran a successful business before!

Jcob:
I am 100 percent sure you've never ran a successful business before!

This is not the argument. I am running a successful one. No successful business man comes to say his employees are useless. When awards are won, you see CEO say publicly that the award is for the employees because they are the ones doing the JOB. There are times where businesses make a losses but that's not to say it's the fault of the employees. It's part of the business process. Prolly you are running a shop with 2 or 3 employees that perhaps are typist and that's why you think employees do nothi in an organisation. It could be tough for SME' but that's not to say it's employees are useless. Tomorrow being Monday, since you think your employees are useless, sack them, don't recruit new ones and see if that your business won't fold up.

majekdom2:
@ first bolded, a reason why many Nigerian entrepreneurs fail in business. There is what is called structure and no position is useless. Each business should be structured whether it's just one employee or 2. Each should know his responsibilities and be allowed to work. @ second bolded, we are always about sales forgetting quality should come first. Must every one work as a sales agent in such a company. There are other positions that will add value to your organisation. I ll share a file with you that will make you better understand. Entrepreneurship needs to be redefined to many Nigerians.

Only engage me in dialog on how to run a successful company if you have a flourishing one that has been in operation for up to a decade. Thanks.

On the flip side, I don't remember saying that any position is useless; instead I want her to realise that she should be less concerned about whatever designation a company offered her and look out for the substance the company is made of. I know that the easiest way to enslave most black employees is to give them one big designation.

Jcob:
English is a problem. Read my post clearly sire

I dont read "people that come across as heartless" 's comments. Twice.

Sorry .

Aroh48:
o boy! Me make dey collect 80K per month,d money never reach.let alone someone receiving 25K.Naija,which way?

If you manage well, you should be able to save at least 35k monthly if you aren't married. Eventually we all survive somehow, at least most of us will.

majekdom2:
This is not the argument. I am running a successful one. No successful business man comes to say his employees are useless. When awards are won, you see CEO say publicly that the award is for the employees because they are the ones doing the JOB. There are times where businesses make a losses but that's not to say it's the fault of the employees. It's part of the business process. Prolly you are running a shop with 2 or 3 employees that perhaps are typist and that's why you think employees do nothi in an organisation. It could be tough for SME' but that's not to say it's employees are useless. Tomorrow being Monday, since you think your employees are useless, sack them, don't recruit new ones and see if that your business won't fold up.

Mr Man I never said they are useless. My own ideology is you can't say because they are the pillar of the company then you should pay them what the company cannot bear. So many expenses to consider! By the way since you run a successful biz, how much do you pay your staff? Don't lie!

byvan03:
The lucky ones live in their family homes, some hold up in uncompleted or face me I face you buildings. Those that have access to land do a lot of farming and supplement with all sort of runs by the side. It's a hustle and somehow they get by.

What you are saying is very true as i just witnessed it recently. A family man in his 50's with kids earning 28k as a teacher. I wonder how he feeds his family.

Jcob:
Oga Op, God will elevate you to the position of an employer so you will understand how sweet the position is. You are just considering your own salary without looking at the compound picture of how many people to be paid per month, operational cost, maintenance, etc.

I can't count how many times have borrowed to pay salaries and employees would still think you are under paying.

When you have your own business, pay each worker N200,000 per month to justify their work.

No matter what the employee inputs, the employer still inputs more and to make the business a going concern, cost should be well managed!

so are you trying to justify 25k pay for a department head that would work 11 hrs per day for 6 days a week


Yes cutting cost is good at this point but don't now make people work like slaves

ujuvals, you found an audience to listen to you here but you haven't put your stats that could make you appeal to a potential employer.

where have you been applying?

what network have you tried to create?

who do you associate with?

i know things are tough in the country, but there are people getting well paying jobs daily in nigeria.

Employers are really exploiting d situation....I attended an interview recently nd I was asked d monthly pay dat I am expecting...I told dem as a B.Sc holder nd considering the experience that I have dt I am xpecting 25k to 30k nd der face changed...

Jcob:
Mr Man I never said they are useless. My own ideology is you can't say because they are the pillar of the company then you should pay them what the company cannot bear. So many expenses to consider! By the way since you run a successful biz, how much do you pay your staff? Don't lie!

Pay is always according to structure and should be competitive. The OP never asked her employer to pay what he/ she can't bear. What the employer should ask himself or herself is, does this pay match the structure, does the position match business need. Instead of creating a bad image of being an "employer " it's best one sees that the position is very necessary and it is what someone already in the company cannot do. It's as simple as that. You perhaps didn't understand the OP's message. Why declare a huge PAT when employees are not well paid. It does not bring the best out of an employee.

loveourlagos:
I think ten years is a bit exagerrated but on the side , volunteering & getting internship opportunities as an undergraduate could greatly boost your profile in the labour market.

It is not only about jumping about to gather certificates, you need to sometimes step out of your comfort zone by being willing to serve FOR FREE of course.

Very few Nigerians understand the tool of volunteering & selfless community service.

They all add up @ the end of the day.

what are you even saying?
should i post mails for volunteering that ive sent to different organizations? i dont understand the nigerian work structure anymore. most companies now want interns instead of full time staffs. been to a company where all the workers they have are all interns. which ive always been thinking an intern should wrk with a more experienced staff like an assistant and student. the irony is that these useless companies wouldnt wanna pay you and when they do, the amount paid will be equal to what the boss uses for buying chicken at KFC for lunch on friday afternoons. what are we even talking about here. DIGNITY OF LABOUR IS DEAD IN THIS COUNTRY. they are even angry you have this much qualification, or you wanna quit the job. the boss becomes angry you wanna leave the job and stop being a slave. I had to quit my 20k job so as to make soap to sell.


anyways.... i have liquid soap for cars alone. made and branded by me , please notify if you want one .
even if you dont have a car, you can buy for your uncle, brother , sister, aunt, father , relatives and friends

Diplomaticbeing:
Only engage me in dialog on how to run a successful company if you have a flourishing one that has been in operation for up to a decade. Thanks.

On the flip side, I don't remember saying that any position is useless; instead I want her to realise that she should be less concerned about whatever designation a company offered her and look out for the substance the company is made of. I know that the easiest way to enslave most black employees is to give them one big designation.

That's your own thought. The average black man prefers pay to position. You didn't understand the OP. She didn't come out out say I am a manager earning 25k. She stated her work schedule and mentioned the pay, Meaning she feels the pay does not match the work load. Which is true. Understanding is key!

majekdom2:
Pay is always according to structure and should be competitive. The OP never asked her employer to pay what he/ she can't bear. What the employer should ask himself or herself is, does this pay match the structure, does the position match business need. Instead of creating a bad image of being an "employer " it's best one sees that the position is very necessary and it is what someone already in the company cannot do. It's as simple as that. You perhaps didn't understand the OP's message. Why declare a huge PAT when employees are not well paid. It does not bring the best out of an employee.

I concur!

donald4denny:
what are you even saying?
should i post mails for volunteering that ive sent to different organizations? i dont understand the nigerian work structure anymore. most companies now want interns instead of full time staffs. been to a company where all the workers they have are all interns. which ive always been thinking an intern should wrk with a more experienced staff like an assistant and student. the irony is that these useless companies wouldnt wanna pay you and when they do, the amount paid will be equal to what the boss uses for buying chicken at KFC for lunch on friday afternoons. what are we even talking about here. DIGNITY OF LABOUR IS DEAD IN THIS COUNTRY. they are even angry you have this much qualification, or you wanna quit the job. the boss becomes angry you wanna leave the job and stop being a slave. I had to quit my 20k job so as to make soap to sell.


anyways.... i have liquid soap for cars alone. made and branded by me , please notify if you want one .
even if you dont have a car, you can buy for your uncle, brother , sister, aunt, father , relatives and friends

With this arrogant attitude of yours, I can only wish you well.

I felt so terrible after reading your post. I have also read some of your previous posts and its quite unfortunate. From your posts, u seem to be quite intelligent and nice and I certainly think u deserve better.

I was paid N50k monthly when i worked with GTB during my service year several years back and i have also worked with companies where i earned over N200k monthly and I havent even completed my M. Sc so when i hear about companies that pays peanuts for graduates who work their asses off, I always feel always irritated. I believe u will get a good job but i also have a few tips of advice for you.

First of all take away the mindset that u must always know an insider to get a job. Yes, it helps at times but if u have d requirements and believe in urself, you can get it. Secondly, be BOLD and take stay idle. Walk into companies and up to ppl in position after making some findings about them, introduce yourself and let them know how about you and what value u can add to them.

Some men might try to take advantage but u can turn down their advances politely. Also visit job sites regularly and apply immediately u discover any job whose requirements meet ur qualifications. Connect with your old friends, former colleagues, school mates and neighbours and dont forget to PRAY.

Also edit your C. V to fit the nature of the vacancy u are applying for, have an enticing cover letter and be well prepared before any interview.

I lost my job recently due to the mass retrenchment that occured in d banking sector. I worked as a customer service officer and i felt bad. A lot of our customers were shocked because they knew i was passionate, hardworking and always went the extra mile to ensure they were satisfied. Some of them called me to empathise and encourage me and a few are talking to their contacts in other to help me secure a better job.

I have a strong conviction that ill get another job soon and I also know you will share your testimony soon.

loveourlagos:
With this arrogant attitude of yours, I can only wish you well.

hehehheeh see me see trouble.... whats arrogant here ooo... madam? maybe i dont understand what arrogance means... How does my own perception or way of reasoning affect you? you should say your not interested abi... fight dey market ni? abeg park well jare.