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aresa:
NPA is under Ministry of transportation so who is the head of NPA?.


Amaechi is the Transportation minister

Who is the head of NPA

Hadiza Bala Usman Or Amaechi? Yes Or No


I just need a yes or no answer..

luvinhubby:
Is Hadiza Usman the minister in charge of transport in Nigeria, yes or no?

aresa:
She is not, but who is in charge of NPA.? That was the question.

luvinhubby:
Then Bunmi Okeowo is not in charge of communication portfolio in Nigeria.

plaetton:
In the context of this thread, Yes.

We already have a minister of information.

Therefore, a minister of Communications is obviously a minister of TeleCommunications infrastructure.

Now, what is the difference between That and ICT ?

aresa:
He sure did. That was a sad effect of ignorance, little or no education and low intellect..

Goldencollins:
When a friend posted this, I had to confirm it and I was alarmed.
Note:I am not talking about age or appearance.
Take a look at their CVs.
Profile of Kenyan ICT Minister vs Nigerian ICT Minister

Kenya
Joseph Mucheru MBS is the current Kenyan Cabinet Secretary in the Ministry of Information and Communications. He is a former Google Sub-Sahara Africa Lead based in the Google Nairobi office. He was Google's first Sub-Saharan employee and was key to setting up of Googles presence in Africa from 2007.
Before joining Google he worked at Wananchi Online, a company he co-founded in 1999, in various roles at the company including Chief Technology Officer and Chief Executive Officer.
He attended the Business Executive Programme from Stanford University Graduate School of Business in 2008. He holds a (B Sc. (Hons)) in Economics & Computer Science from City University London.


Nigeria
Honorable Adebayo Shittu, he gained admission into University of Ife, now Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife, Osun south west, Nigeria in the year 1974. At the end of 1978, he had obtained his first degree in Law from the same university. He ventured into politics at the age of 26yrs. In 1979,he became member of old Oyo House of Assembly.
In 1983, Barrister Shittu was elected as a member of Oyo state, House Assembly in the second republic. In 1983, the military government took over from the civilian government and he retired into legal practice and writing profession. He became a member of National Political conference in 2005.
In 2011, He withdrew his gubernatorial ambition for the incumbent(2016) governor of Oyo State, senator Ajimobi Abiola. Presently(2016),the administration of President Muhammadu Buhari appointed him as the substantive minister of communication in Nigeria.
And if you mention that the chairman of NCC is a trained lawyer in his 80s.
In this information age, if you're Mark Zuckerberg, who would you do business with?
Nigeria will only move forward when we make appointments base on merits.

jpphilips:
Wow!! how old are you please?

aribisala0:
Mark Zucerberg is God?


Your write up is quite ignorant about the role of a Minister. A minster is a political appointment. They are not meant to be technocrats rather they SUPERVISE a ministry making sure they implement the will of the electorate. The Minister therefore must have as his primary qualification an understanding of the electorate.Indeed in parliamentary systems such as what we operated at independence and is still in the UK and much of Europe before you can be appointed as a Minister you must be elected as a national legislator i.e MP.

A politician can be likened to a priest. A priest communicates from God to the people while a minister communicates from the people(President) to technocrats.

Indeed having a technocrat run the ministry of his area of expertise may be counterproductive. what we need to do is to change the recruitment process so that we employ the best people into our ministries and ensure that they have job security and are politically neutral, this means a fundamental issue like looking at institutional culture, merit ,federal character and such issues which are far beyond the power of a Minister. I always laugh when people make this mistake. We must not forget that Ministers have a political and not a technocratic job. Ultimately the president sets the agenda for the ministers as he is the one who got elected.

Is America so dominant in ICT because of the ministers they have had?

aribisala0:
Mark Zucerberg is God?


Your write up is quite ignorant about the role of a Minister. A minster is a political appointment. They are not meant to be technocrats rather they SUPERVISE a ministry making sure they implement the will of the electorate. The Minister therefore must have as his primary qualification an understanding of the electorate.Indeed in parliamentary systems such as what we operated at independence and is still in the UK and much of Europe before you can be appointed as a Minister you must be elected as a national legislator i.e MP.

A politician can be likened to a priest. A priest communicates from God to the people while a minister communicates from the people(President) to technocrats.

Indeed having a technocrat run the ministry of his area of expertise may be counterproductive. what we need to do is to change the recruitment process so that we employ the best people into our ministries and ensure that they have job security and are politically neutral, this means a fundamental issue like looking at institutional culture, merit ,federal character and such issues which are far beyond the power of a Minister. I always laugh when people make this mistake. We must not forget that Ministers have a political and not a technocratic job. Ultimately the president sets the agenda for the ministers as he is the one who got elected.

Is America so dominant in ICT because of the ministers they have had?

ehissi:
What??

It is counterproductive to hire a Minister in his area of expertise??

So it is counterproductive for a medical doctor or health care professional to be made Minister of health, appoint a lawyer who is a seasoned politician.

Its counterproductive for an Engineer to be Minister of works, appoint a seasoned politician who is a linguist.

Its totally counterproductive for an economist to be Minister of Finance, a seasoned politician who is a cosmetologist will do.

Its totally off-key and counterproductive to appoint a professional Agriculture expert to Preside over ministry of agriculture, a medical doctor with a strong political background will suffice.

Its counterproductive to appoint an ICT professional or a scientist as minister of Communications technology, a seasoned caterer or Nutritionist with a strong political record will be excellent.

That is the most unintelligent argument/excuse I have ever witnessed for the current spate of ill-advised ministerial appointments in Nigeria (and I happen to have seen/heard a lot).

The Ministry of Communication

The Federal Ministry of Education

The Standards Organisation of Nigeria

The Nigerian Society of Engineers

Four persons to represent affiliate bodies of the Computer Professionals
Registration Council of Nigeria

Two persons with cognate experience in Information Technology to
represent the Academic Staff Union of Universities, and the Academic
Staff Union of Polytechnics

Six persons who are experts in the area of Information Technology
appointed by the President from each of the six geo-political zones of
Nigeria

Goldencollins:
With this mentality of yours I wonder how you managed to scale through secondary,maybe you bought your waec or you don't even have just like your pay masters.
So in your school of thought a Lawyer can be appointed to as a Minister for health bcuz its a political position right?

ehissi:
What??

It is counterproductive to hire a Minister in his area of expertise??

So it is counterproductive for a medical doctor or health care professional to be made Minister of health, appoint a lawyer who is a seasoned politician.

Its counterproductive for an Engineer to be Minister of works, appoint a seasoned politician who is a linguist.

Its totally counterproductive for an economist to be Minister of Finance, a seasoned politician who is a cosmetologist will do.

Its totally off-key and counterproductive to appoint a professional Agriculture expert to Preside over ministry of agriculture, a medical doctor with a strong political background will suffice.

Its counterproductive to appoint an ICT professional or a scientist as minister of Communications technology, a seasoned caterer or Nutritionist with a strong political record will be excellent.

That is the most unintelligent argument/excuse I have ever witnessed for the current spate of ill-advised ministerial appointments in Nigeria (and I happen to have seen/heard a lot).

aresa:
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NPA is under Ministry of transportation so who is the head of NPA?.

Hadiza Bala Usman Or Amaechi?

I bet if WAEC ask you who be the head of NPA, you go say Amaechi...
There is difference between head of ICT and Minister of ICT...Kenya has Minister of ICT while Nigeria has head of ICT...meaning the ICT is under a ministry known as ministry of communication....I understand what you mean that head of ICT is a technocrat but the anomaly is that he should not be reporting to a barrister who is the minister in charge..Are there no more ICT experts in Nigeria? Let's say the truth and stop all these argument Nigeria needs to appoint ministers based on their training and technical expertise...

Make una go school una no gree, now see all dis embarrassment on top internet..


Den don swear ignorance for you people...

aresa:
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NPA is under Ministry of transportation so who is the head of NPA?.

Hadiza Bala Usman Or Amaechi?

I bet if WAEC ask you who be the head of NPA, you go say Amaechi...
There is difference between head of ICT and Minister of ICT...Kenya has Minister of ICT while Nigeria has head of ICT...meaning the ICT is under a ministry known as ministry of communication....I understand what you mean that head of ICT is a technocrat but the anomaly is that he should not be reporting to a barrister who is the minister in charge..Are there no more ICT experts in Nigeria? Let's say the truth and stop all these argument Nigeria needs to appoint ministers based on their training and technical expertise...

drskyfly007:
There is difference between head of ICT and Minister of ICT...Kenya has Minister of ICT while Nigeria has head of ICT...meaning the ICT is under a ministry known as ministry of communication....I understand what you mean that head of ICT is a technocrat but the anomaly is that he should not be reporting to a barrister who is the minister in charge..Are there no more ICT experts in Nigeria? Let's say the truth and stop all these argument Nigeria needs to appoint ministers based on their training and technical expertise...

aribisala0:
I think you misunderstand the role of a Minister .

If I live abroad and I am sending money to Nigeria to build a house e.g. The person I will place in charge will be a person I TRUST and believe in . He does not need to be an architect or engineer or expert of ANY description. What I require is intelligence and diligence and some experience of life. His job then is to commission the experts and lead them. THAT is the job of a Minister. It is PURELY political.

Once again I must repeat ,In parliamentary systems you CANNOT become a Minister unless you are elected first as a legislator. ALL MINISTERS are also legislators. So what happens if the electorate do not elect so called EXPERTS

The electorate are like the man sending money in the example above.
Unless we argue that the parliamentary system is flawed BUT

It seems to work well in so many countries. Indeed very few of the top 10 economies do anything else.
This is the current British Cabinet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom#Current_cabinet
Look at their profiles ONE BY ONE
The minister of Power in France like Fashola in Nigeria is a lawyer and in the UK he studied Economics

Rather than making a blind argument

WHY NOT PROVIDE EXAMPLES of countries to back up your position

aribisala0:
I said it MAY be
Again I said in Parliamentary systems such as we ran before as in the UK and much of Europe such "expertise" is irrelevant as a minister rather what is preferred is POLITICAL expertise. The most common degrees British Ministers hold is in Politics,English,Economics and Philosophy,
Before you become a Minister in most cases you will have been in politics LEARNING THE TRADE from carrying the briefcases of senior politicians and attending important meetings and holding junior positions across departments and learning how government works. That means that when matured most ministers can handle ANY department and often they DO because cabinets are shuffled often.
I am very categorical that the job of a minister is not a technocratic job.

Spend some time today to study the profiles of ministers of the top ten economies.

Even in Nigeria we had under the military Buhari as minister of petroleum and things worked very well then.

A degree by the way is not the same thing as EXPERTISE let us not conflate the two many Nigerians have empty "degrees".

ehissi:
Well if you insist that as a Nigerian (or otherwise) your degree is empty, I cannot fault you.

Neither of my three degrees are empty, I paid the price in hardwork, sweat and tears to get them and I am able to defend then if occasion calls for it.

Hiring anybody at all as minister (whether in their area or outside) "may" still be counter-productive.

This is because expertise in the real sense should account for just 50% - as far as appointments go - there is also the personal track record - Personal character and philosophy as well as the ability to apply diplomacy and to lead.

You don't bring a man into your cabinet who doesn't believe in your vision nor share in your ideas and expect him to perform. A firm example is Sanusi Lamido. He never believed in our Bi-cameral legislative system one day, he was the face of the campaign for TSA - where all government cash rest in his control, which is killing our economy right now as we speak - so asking such a man to be CBN governor knowing fully well that the same National assembly will want to exercise oversight functions over him one of these days is just foolish.

You don't bring a lawyer who still has trouble using bluetooth on his phone, with zero ICT exposure and make him Minister of Communications Technology and expect the fellow to deliver.

The truth is that appointments in some cases are used to reward political backers or constituencies. They rather give appointments to political backers and make the expert his adviser and hope for the best.

Look at the USA for example, Hilary clinton wasn't necessarily the best person to be made secretary of state (comparing her to a man like colin powell) but it was an arrangement design to reward her for her efforts during Obama's presidential campaign.

That's it. There is nothing counterproductive in Hiring a man to oversee a ministry in it area of expertise.

It is only so when a man who lacks the ability to lead, or doesn't share in your vision as chief executive is mande minister that it may be counterproductive.

In any case, following your analogy; if a man like me for example have served as a PA to the Senate house committee on Communication Tech, worked with a Communications Minister as Senior special adviser and I do all this as a lawyer and eventually become Communications Minister; and all this is done in a space of 25yrs.

I don't see why I can't be deemed qualified to become Communications Minister because I have been in the system even though I may be a lawyer by training.

So there is nothing wrong with appointing someone with exposure. But appointing someone outside his area of training and exposure is a recipe for chaos and may lead to disaster.

Most especially in the United States of Nigeria..........

aribisala0:
Your first remark is childish. I am not interested in you or your biography.
A degree is not the same as expertise.

There is not one person in the entire British Cabinet that holds a portfolio based on their major degree
Most people there hold degrees in Politics Economics English or the Classics.
It is not a recipe for chaos. Rather than spouting long epistles and theoretical constructs provide one example of a list of Ministers from a top 15 global economy. I agave you the example of the British Cabinet .
I also said that in the parliamentary system Ministers MUST be elected legislators> What happens when so called experts are not elected?
The most important thing is political experience. The degree means little

Why can't you bring a lawyer who has trouble with bluetooth? That is simply ignorant. You can have a Minister who is blind (without sight), we have seen this before, you simply expose your ignorance with your wild and uninformed assertions

drskyfly007:
lol we are talking of cabinet in Nigeria and you are here telling me about a developed UK economy bro in Nigeria cabinet the Minister is appointed by the President subject to approval by the Senate and is responsible for POLICY, while the Permanent Secretary is responsible for implementation of the policy...Now let me use myself as an example am a medical doctor how can I be a minister in ministry of finance and make policies for permanent secretaries to implement? Let's stop putting square peg in a round hole in this country....By and large, with a sense of sincerity, Buhari’s allocation of portfolios to his ministers may be what the Hausa term as “gamin gambiza” or what the Yoruba call “orisirisi” or what the Igbo call “nwonwo” – all outside the culinary semantics.

aribisala0:
The point is not whether or not it is unicameral The point is the Minister does not need to be an expert whatever the system. Does unicameralilty change the duties of a Minister of Defence or finance??
. What is important is that Ministers should have experience of government. If an intelligent person has been a governor in Nigeria for two terms he should be able to handle most federal ministries.
Indeed any graduate who has held political positions at LG and state level should be considered . The idea that the Minister of health should be a doctor or health professional to me is absurd.

True leaders should identify talent early and develop PATHWAYS to political leadership for them indeed that is how strengths and weaknesses are identified. If a person is being groomed for the presidency e.g a posting as Minister of state in key ministries could be a good trajectory e.g Foreign Affairs,Internal affairs and Finance e.g. A Minister should not be a specialist necessarily but capable of grasping the whole picture. The same applies to the Vice President. A truly patriotic president should have a succession plan and develop areas of weakness in his vice.
The Minister of state position should be one where people are given clear responsibilities and allowed to prove themselves. No one arrives in any office as the finished article. Those who are making the most noise here are clearly young with little experience of real life and are just spouting theories.

In the top world economies Most ministers are CAREER POLITICIANS not technocrats

welzyj2:
Will like u to back up ur last sentence with relevant examples pls.

drskyfly007:
There is difference between head of ICT and Minister of ICT...Kenya has Minister of ICT while Nigeria has head of ICT...meaning the ICT is under a ministry known as ministry of communication....I understand what you mean that head of ICT is a technocrat but the anomaly is that he should not be reporting to a barrister who is the minister in charge..Are there no more ICT experts in Nigeria? Let's say the truth and stop all these argument Nigeria needs to appoint ministers based on their training and technical expertise...

aribisala0:
I already did that earlier in this thread. You can scroll back

Trut:
The Nigeria Science & Technology minister looks like BABALAWO.

welzyj2:
I lyk ur post except ur last sentence. UK and Nigeria do not run the same sys of govt which makes it impossible for u to use UK to compare Nig. You can make use of a nation even thou does not run full federalism it should be a nation which isn't unicameral in nature. Although to be a technocrate isn't a must for ministerial appointment but some ministries are reserved for them. E.g ministry of foreign affairs, finance, development and some odas depending on d state.

aresssa:
The only anomaly I see here is you and your ignorance, upside down and meaningless rants.

1. We have ICT agency managed and staffed by ICT professionals and by law, they must be staffed and run by ICT professionals and not any minister.

2. The fact that Kenya have a minister for ICT is irrelevant, that's their system of government that has nothing to do with achieved performance and ICT relevance in Africa.


3. The fact that they have ICT minister doesn't meant Nigeria is not better in ICT than Kenya, ministry of ICT is just position with zero relevance when it comes to the real ICT work.

4. ICT minister in Kenya didn't prevent Nigerian from being the best ICT country in Africa, it did not prevent Nigeria from commanding largest share of ICT investments in Africa.

5. Mark Zuckerberg. Facebook CEO's first and only ICT investment ($24 million) in Africa went to a Nigerian ICT company in Lagos, Nigeria and not to Kenya even with their so called minister of ICT so of what relevance is minister of ICT when our own ICT professionals are delivering the good.


6. What you call your self is irrelevant and meaningless, it's all about your capacity, your knowledge, your skills and ability to deliver the good like we are doing in Nigeria ahead of Kenya.


7. It's very shallow, very ignorant and self defeating to think others are better than you because they call themselves a different name or have some meaningless titles before their names..



You people really need to stop boring us with these elementary school and year year old children arguments, it's really saddening and boring....

aribisala0:
I wish I could pay you the same compliment but with all honesty you write like a child. It is clear to me that either you are still at school or you are still a dependant being looked after ,that much is evident from reading you.
John Kerry ,Hilary Clinton ,Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell, Are the last 3 and incumbent US Secretaries of State. i.e Foreign Secretaries. Are they technocrats? Who RESERVED ministries for technocrats? The truth is you have no clue what you are talking about, you are not well informed and lack the capacity to think about the issues.
The real question is ,What is the job of a Minister and is it relevant whether the system being run is Unicameral or not? Is a Minister required to perform differently under each system? I think not!!
The Current US Treaury Secretary( Finance Minister) is a lawyer.

So what else??