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OgundeleT:
if there is a creature nobody will have to tell anybody, everybody will see it and there will be no different version of it. what we call mystery today only need time to unravel, if our generation cant, the generation coming may

[size=28pt]Like if electrons exist, everyone will see it![/size]

AnonyNymous:
Space is still being created as we speak. The universe is expanding. Before the big bang, nobody knows for sure, although there are many hypotheses.

Then there should be a continuous stream of massive energy received everywhere in space, don't you think so? If space is still being created, energy must be released.

No. I don't think space is being created. Space is the vast emptiness called everywhere in mathematics

shadeyinka:
[size=28pt]Like if electrons exist, everyone will see it![/size]

abeg park well and stop daft comparison

flamingREED:
I can accompany you to the gates of hell
And ensure you give yourself over to them
If you can't breathe for His truth's sake:

1 Timothy 1
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

the bible said god lied..do u believe?
The bible said the sun revolves the earth...do u believe?
The bible said you think with your heart...do u believe?

raphieMontella:
the bible said god lied..do u believe?
The bible said the sun revolves the earth...do u believe?
The bible said you think with your heart...do u believe?

Ignored in His holiness

flamingREED:
Ignored in His holiness

a conspicuous cop-out...

And how do you know this? (@bolded)
Also, do keep in mind that saying "many gods could have created the universe" is the logical equivalent of saying that "no god(s) created the universe", which in turn is the logical equivalent to saying that "an invisible spider created the universe". All these are equivalent to every possibility we can think about: e.g. universe was created by one god (e.g. Amadiora), universe was created by child alien from another hypothetical universe, universe was created by inanimate matter, etc.

Instead of playing guess games about why the universe exists, the best answer is "we don't know!". Positing that it had to have been a conscious being, specifically Yahweh, is a logically indefensible leap; there is zero evidence of that.

shadeyinka:
Even if creation moments implied many gods (which isn't true anyway) the fact that the possibility is logically scientifically possible is OK for me now. The argument for Monotheism is for another day.

Given the right equipment, anyone can repeatably and reproducibly measure the effects of electrons to an extremely high level of accuracy. We can't do same with the idea of god/gods.

shadeyinka:
Like if electrons exist, everyone will see it!

Antiparticle:
Given the right equipment, anyone can repeatably and reproducibly measure the effects of electrons to an extremely high level of accuracy. We can't do same with the idea of god/gods.

A big no my dear! Your theory is based on the assumption that the prevailing laws of physics will work on God.

Since God is NOT subject to time, He is not subject to any kind of Measuring Instrument. Therefore, you can't Scientifically measure God!

OgundeleT:

if there is a creature nobody will have to tell anybody, everybody will see it and there will be no different version of it. what we call mystery today only need time to unravel, if our generation cant, the generation coming may

I was referring to the keyword SEE

My submission was that the fact that we have not being able to SEE electrons does not invalidate their Reality.

shadeyinka:
Like if electrons exist, everyone will see it!

Everything we know about the electrons for instance are by Indirect measurements.

Didnt get this on time

shadeyinka:
I did answer you!
Tail Bone:http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/object_oriented_programming_OOP.html

do u know what you just did?
U accepted an evolutionary designer...not an archaic book creation...do u know?
What you stated is contradictory to your precious ''biblical'' creation oga...
I'm asking as per the biblical model..unless you tell me u accepted evolution as truth..then we can move on..

Ectopic pregnancies, Natural Disasters:
What does a computer virus do to a legitimate code? and i explained the nature of the virus: malevolent Codes(spirits)!

this is silly..no offence
the great red spot on jupiter is a hurricane thats been on for decades of years
spirits also caused this?
Spirits also cause exploding supernova?
Spirits also cause dying stars to rip planets apart?
Spirits put the microbes of bacteria we find in space??
Are you For real?

DNA:
Tell me that we now understand up to 50% of the functions of the DNA sequences?[/i]

u seem to know a lot about the designer nau..
U know he designed it for us..
U know he made the vast universe for just us...
U keep on telling me about the designer and his mind..and now i asked a simple question...
What is the function of the high amount of junk dna in our system?

On Demons:

i hope u know i have a copy of the bible at home
I asked you..and you said he's a designer that didnt create evil shvts,,aint the author of natural disasters etc...doesnt kill his own creation etc..dont make me prove otherwise from your own bible..because i can..

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BTW..whats the design in creating earth..and then creating billions of planets for scenery?
His vacation or what?
I wanna know..

Antiparticle:
And how do you know this? (@bolded)
Also, do keep in mind that saying "many gods could have created the universe" is the logical equivalent of saying that "no god(s) created the universe", which in turn is the logical equivalent to saying that "an invisible spider created the universe". All these are equivalent to every possibility we can think about: e.g. universe was created by one god (e.g. Amadiora), universe was created by child alien from another hypothetical universe, universe was created by inanimate matter, etc.

Instead of playing guess games about why the universe exists, the best answer is "we don't know!". Positing that it had to have been a conscious being, specifically Yahweh, is a logically indefensible leap; there is zero evidence of that.

I just tried to show that the laws of Physics seems to beak down as we attempt to push beyond the B-bang.
My submission was that Whatever/Whoever gave birth to our universe exists outside the rhelm of Energy, Time and Matter.

Atheists are NOT sure about the nature of this Force (Since the Laws of Physics breaks down). However, they are sure that the force is INANIMATE!
Theists are Sure that this Force is a CONSCIOUS INTELLIGENT BEING called GOD!

This is a dilemma:
as you insist that the best answer is "we don't know!"

Unfortunately Theists claim that this GOD revealed Himself (Not Scientifically) to Men who are called (Prophets, Seers, Men of God, Oracle of God..etc). So the best answer to Theists can never be "We Don't Know!". Why?

Many (ordinary people) have "Experienced this God" not by Scientific formulas but by the Rules of the Spirit (which is not Scientific)-Faith!

I have defined faith in my earlier post as not just a believe but a Trust in the Integrity of the Personality of God and His Words.

For those who have experienced the Spirit Rhelm, it is IMPOSSIBLE to convince them otherwise..even irrespective of what science says.

Example:
Suppose you accompanied a friend to his house and on getting there, to your amazement, he literally walled you through the Brick Wall into their sitting room.
A month later, you tell some guys it is possible to walk through a wall..You can imagine the rest...hey will ask You, (oya now walk through a wall let us see!) .

Those things that are real to a theist is pure nonsense to the Atheist; because they require a physical-scientific proof

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Is it stupidity to believe in a Personal Experience which contradicts the Normal?
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raphieMontella:
Didnt get this on time

do u know what you just did?
U accepted an evolutionary designer...not an archaic book creation...do u know?
What you stated is contradictory to your precious ''biblical'' creation oga...
I'm asking as per the biblical model..unless you tell me u accepted evolution as truth..then we can move on..

Still in the spirit of LOL uncontrollably! You mixed up a lot my friend.
It is the same God who created unicellular organisms created multicellular organisms, what is wrong in "in human terms" reusing the same code template as a basis for creating more complex materials.

The same God who created Hydrogen, Created helium, Lithium, Beryllium , Boron......Uranium etc. cant you see a reuse of the basic Proton, Neutron, Electrons etc. God doesn't have to create Aluminum from something entirely new.

No!, I don't believe in Evolution, I believe in Creation

I used OOP (something you can relate with as an illustration) except your conclusion that OOP is silly

raphieMontella:
this is silly..no offence
the great red spot on jupiter is a hurricane thats been on for decades of years
spirits also caused this?
Spirits also cause exploding supernova?
Spirits also cause dying stars to rip planets apart?
Spirits put the microbes of bacteria we find in space??
Are you For real?

Still in the mood of laughter!
Who says spirits are behind all these? You specifically mentioned Ectopic Pregnancies and natural disasters that befall humans
My answer to you was to refer you to the fact that concerning humans, malevolent forces are also at work. The earth was perfect until the onset of sin (don't ask me for a scientific proof)

the great red spot on jupiter is a hurricane,exploding supernova, dying stars:

You didn't take my explanation of my use of the illustrations of global and local variables in programming. Who says every variable in a code must be static? If not all variable and function are static then, if God the Programmer used it in his creation how does it affect the Objective of His code?

Please don't get me wrong, satan is not the cause of every disease we see on earth, but he is the source. Imagine the fact that we inherit our genetic makeup from our parents..up to only god knows how many generations up. Defects came in as a result of sin, we are just simply down-line inheritors of whatever gene pool we take our DNA from.

In other words satan is the cause of corruption of the human race, any anomaly we find are from the inherent corruption of this creation code.

raphieMontella:
u seem to know a lot about the designer nau..
U know he designed it for us..
U know he made the vast universe for just us...
U keep on telling me about the designer and his mind..and now i asked a simple question...
What is the function of the high amount of junk dna in our system?

You are repeating the same question, you didn't read this?

DNA:
You call it junk only because you do not know its particular function. The DNA carries a vast library of information so complex that we know just a little fraction of what it stores. Sometimes in a library you find relics that may not make sense even to a modern librarian. imagine finding a feather in a library without connecting that it is a quill pen that should be used with ink for writing.
Tell me that we now understand up to 50% of the functions of the DNA sequences?

raphieMontella:
i hope u know i have a copy of the bible at home
I asked you..and you said he's a designer that didnt create evil shvts,,aint the author of natural disasters etc...doesnt kill his own creation etc..dont make me prove otherwise from your own bible..because i can..

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BTW..whats the design in creating earth..and then creating billions of planets for scenery?
His vacation or what?
I wanna know..

Everything He made was for Him (God) for His own pleasure like a Garden.

Now specifically, why did god make Saturn, Uranus, Pluto etc. I don't know!
...but i know that there is a "superposition of Worlds". It is easier for the Spirit world to interact with the Physical than the reverse.


Even if you don't believe Him now, He still loves You. Why fight against knowing Him as REAL!

shadeyinka:
I used OOP (something you can relate with as an illustration) except your conclusion that OOP is silly

read gen 1...
And see if it conforms with your statement..
Man was ''made'' the rest were ''created''..there's a difference dude...
I repeat..your oop is in agreement with an evolutionary designer..not an ex niliho creator..

You specifically mentioned Ectopic Pregnancies and natural disasters

are hurricanes not natural disasters sire?
U still didnt answer what i asked..
Some question require simple answers..
I ask again..whats the consious design behind planetary disasters?

Please don't get me wrong, satan is not the cause of every disease we see on earth, but he is the source.

? Did he create bacteria?
The source how?

Imagine the fact that we inherit our genetic makeup from our parents..

what does dna have to do with jupiter?

You are repeating the same question, you didn't read this?

deleting junk dna has no effect..
So what you saying?..
See..lemme make u grab..
Dna..i said the result of the junk dna is a mindless natural process..
You said it is designed by a conscious mind
so i ask...whats the design in junk dna?
Can any mindful designer create such levels of junk dna in a ''code''*?
Or you believe junk dna has a purpose?
Presenting quill's is an advocation for evolution..remeber we re on the biblical creation pattern..

Everything He made was for Him (God) for His own pleasure like a Garden.

Now specifically, why did god make Saturn, Uranus, Pluto etc. I don't know!

this is a contradiction..he made err'tin for his pleasure and i asked whats the design of dying stars ripping planets apart and you say you dont know?
Weird huh?

Even if you don't believe Him now, He still loves You.

who exactly?
Krishna?

Why fight against knowing Him as REAL!

fight?
U don join them?

You have a way of repeating the same question over and over again. Even when your question is answered, you take a small section of the answer and then repeat the question as if it was never answered.

Note: My aim is not to win an aguement NOT my aim is to present a logical/scientific explanation of spiritual things. Note that spiritual things are not scientific, but it can be understood with similar things that exist in our domain.

raphieMontella:
read gen 1...
And see if it conforms with your statement..
Man was ''made'' the rest were ''created''..there's a difference dude...
I repeat..your oop is in agreement with an evolutionary designer..not an ex niliho creator..

Create/Made is from the Same Source. The Bible is not a Science text book.
As long as we speak of the SAME CREATOR BEING, He can reuse whatever He chooses. Both created and made things are biological so, you don't have a point.

You will have a point only if you prove that OOP doesn't make sense or its not efficient.

raphieMontella:
are hurricanes not natural disasters sire?
U still didnt answer what i asked..
Some question require simple answers..
I ask again..whats the consious design behind planetary disasters?

Myopic way of reasoning indeed. Natural disaster on an Empty planet? Electromagnetic storms on the sun are natural disaster? Natural is from the root word Nature! Nature has to do with OUR ENVIRONMENT.

If the moon were to suddenly vanish, it would be a disaster here on earth because our climate would be affected. If a big asteroid were to hit the earth, that would be a disaster.
But if Uranus or Pluto were to vanish how does it become a "natural disaster" to us.

Your definition of Natural Disaster is skewed.

raphieMontella:
? Did he create bacteria?

Of course He created bacterias. But are all bacteria's dangerous? Your gut is filled with bacteria's that live in a symbiotic relationship with you. The largest percentage of bacteria are beneficial to nature. Yourghurt would not have been in existence thanks to bacteria.

Bacteria, Plasmodium and Viral disease may not be the fault of the pathogens but your weakened resistance (immune system).

Man was made perfect before his fall!

The source how?

what does dna have to do with jupiter?

I am sure you mis-quoted/misinterpreted somethings

raphieMontella:
deleting junk dna has no effect..
So what you saying?..
See..lemme make u grab..
Dna..i said the result of the junk dna is a mindless natural process..
You said it is designed by a conscious mind
so i ask...whats the design in junk dna?

Pls read my submission again and again.
You have a way of twisting my words please next time do a full quote.
I said, the fact that you don't understand its use does not make it a junk. I used the illustration of o Quil Pen in a library.

raphieMontella:
Can any mindful designer create such levels of junk dna in a ''code''*?
Or you believe junk dna has a purpose?
Presenting quill's is an advocation for evolution..remeber we re on the biblical creation pattern..

Please read the post again.I didn't present Quill , I presented an illustration using Quill Pen

raphieMontella:
this is a contradiction..he made err'tin for his pleasure and i asked whats the design of dying stars ripping planets apart and you say you dont know?
Weird huh?

You are bent on not listening.
I assumed you know a little of Object Oriented Programming but I am just discovering that your knowledge in OOP is most likely NONE!

who exactly?
Krishna?

fight?
U don join them?

Death is NOT the end of EXISTENCE!






Like I said : It doesn't hurt to be reasonable!
You don't have to accept anything I tell you BUT it is wisdom to try to UNDERSTAND the position of others.

I have learnt a lot from Atheists even though I don't accept their Conclusion. Some of them make sense, and I am not afraid to say that.

I have engaged some intellectually matured Scientist Atheist who see some sense in my argument and yet they remain atheistic in their conclusion.

Its not supposed to be a fight to win. No one wins an aguement. At the end, you are supposed to respect each others views.

shadeyinka:
Note: My aim is not to win an aguement NOT my aim is to present a logical/scientific explanation of spiritual things.

when i say you conclude hastily..you doubt me..
Comon bro..Who's in for winning an argument?
Should i recount quotes i refused to answer and let be?
Or preceeding texts in a comment of yours i let lie?
I only take that which you didnt give an answer in relation to the original question..if you did..be it correct or not..i'll let it pass..

You will have a point only if you prove that OOP doesn't make sense or its not efficient.

ok..let me take it ''bit by bit''...we're talking about God-yahweh's version...not a ''general'' version..and remember we're exclusively dealing on ''Tail-Bones'' design from biblical perspective...
Genesis..
Animals fish etc were ''willed'' into existence by his words..
Humans were ''made'' like making a soup..
OOP is a code from which future codes take their source from rather than rebuilding a new code(abi?)..this is in accordance with evolutionary design/descent...
You err by equating OOP to atoms..
Atoms should be equated to requirements for a program like java,,,notepad,,python,,etc...
Or unless u mean the bibles version of creation is wrong?

Myopic way of reasoning indeed.

smhw

Natural disaster on an Empty planet?

if persons were there..t would bring harm...
Such events can make planets inhabitable..

Electromagnetic storms on the sun are natural disaster?

if the comic rays of the sun hit the earth what is it?

Natural is from the root word Nature! Nature has to do with OUR ENVIRONMENT.

we re saying the same thing...jupiter is part of nature

If the moon were to suddenly vanish, it would be a disaster here on earth because our climate would be affected.

if the sun uses up its fuel and begins to die..wont earth be ripped apart?
Were saying the same thing bruh

If a big asteroid were to hit the earth, that would be a disaster.

earth has been hit by asteriods before..even its younger bro ''meteorites''
so who(consious mind) the hell designed that system?

But if Uranus or Pluto were to vanish how does it become a "natural disaster" to us.

the universe is part of nature bros...
See..we're saying if its a conscious being that programmed this ''nature'' into ''nature'' or
its just ''natural''...

Your definition of Natural Disaster is skewed.

smhw

Of course He created bacterias. But are all bacteria's dangerous?

i was speaking of satan tho..nvm

Pls read my submission again and again.

so in essense junk dna may have undiscovered uses abi?

Please read the post again.I didn't present Quill , I presented an illustration using Quill Pen

you should know i mean quill pen na..a progression from archaic to modern...or an instantenous appearance of both?

You are bent on not listening.
I assumed you know a little of Object Oriented Programming but I am just discovering that your knowledge in OOP is most likely NONE!

what has OOP got to do with planetary disasters?
OOP was for ''tail bones'' oga..thats the only place we talked OOP..so if you believe OOP is in connection with a dying star ripping up a planet..u present why

Death is NOT the end of EXISTENCE!

do you have proof? No..
The belief in the afterlife has been proven to be highly misleading..

Like I said : It doesn't hurt to be reasonable!

what has this got to do with the stuffs above?

You don't have to accept anything I tell you BUT it is wisdom to try to UNDERSTAND the position of others.

this is exactly what i mean..close-mindedness on your part..
I asked before..what's the standard for deafness..if a standard cannot be created..how then can they relate?

I have learnt a lot from Atheists even though I don't accept their Conclusion. Some of them make sense, and I am not afraid to say that.

okay

I have engaged some intellectually matured Scientist Atheist who see some sense in my argument and yet they remain atheistic in their conclusion.

ok

Its not supposed to be a fight to win. No one wins an aguement. At the end, you are supposed to respect each others views.

this is where you get it all wrong...
Since all our arguments..where have a raised a fight?
Invoking statements like these make it seem your the bringer of such...

raphieMontella:
when i say you conclude hastily..you doubt me..
Comon bro..Who's in for winning an argument?
Should i recount quotes i refused to answer and let be?
Or preceeding texts in a comment of yours i let lie?
I only take that which you didnt give an answer in relation to the original question..if you did..be it correct or not..i'll let it pass..

ok..let me take it ''bit by bit''...we're talking about God-yahweh's version...not a ''general'' version..and remember we're exclusively dealing on ''Tail-Bones'' design from biblical perspective...
Genesis..
Animals fish etc were ''willed'' into existence by his words..
Humans were ''made'' like making a soup..
OOP is a code from which future codes take their source from rather than rebuilding a new code(abi?)..this is in accordance with evolutionary design/descent...
You err by equating OOP to atoms..
Atoms should be equated to requirements for a program like java,,,notepad,,python,,etc...
Or unless u mean the bibles version of creation is wrong?



smhw

if persons were there..t would bring harm...
Such events can make planets inhabitable..

if the comic rays of the sun hit the earth what is it?

we re saying the same thing...jupiter is part of nature

if the sun uses up its fuel and begins to die..wont earth be ripped apart?
Were saying the same thing bruh

earth has been hit by asteriods before..even its younger bro ''meteorites''
so who(consious mind) the hell designed that system?

the universe is part of nature bros...
See..we're saying if its a conscious being that programmed this ''nature'' into ''nature'' or
its just ''natural''...


smhw



i was speaking of satan tho..nvm




so in essense junk dna may have undiscovered uses abi?



you should know i mean quill pen na..a progression from archaic to modern...or an instantenous appearance of both?


what has OOP got to do with planetary disasters?
OOP was for ''tail bones'' oga..thats the only place we talked OOP..so if you believe OOP is in connection with a dying star ripping up a planet..u present why



do you have proof? No..
The belief in the afterlife has been proven to be highly misleading..






what has this got to do with the stuffs above?

this is exactly what i mean..close-mindedness on your part..
I asked before..what's the standard for deafness..if a standard cannot be created..how then can they relate?

okay

ok

this is where you get it all wrong...
Since all our arguments..where have a raised a fight?
Invoking statements like these make it seem your the bringer of such...

I am sorry, I have not learned anything constructive from conversing with you. It seems all is just for the pure sake of unreasonable arguments.

As a reminder, the topic was:
Atheism contradicts the Newtons First Law!

shadeyinka:
I am sorry, I have not learned anything constructive from conversing with you. It seems all is just for the pure sake of unreasonable arguments.

As a reminder, the topic was:
Atheism contradicts the Newtons First Law!

okay...nvm