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Emusan:
I know you will still come to this delusion of yours yet Bible is corrupt but you've been quoting the same Bible to prove something.

I am quoting you what you believe in, you don't agree in Islam neither Quran, but you quote it to me to justify your claim that Jesus is spirit. Don't you ? Yes or No. Answer me.

Should I quote the Qur'an for you as reference.??. That will be even easier 4 me.

Imaging quoting Luke 24:39 where Jesus showed His disciples His hands and legs of Nails after crucifixion yet do you believe that Jesus was crucified?

If you cannot defend yourself or your religion, its not by forced, you can keep quite. If I don't believe in it, don't you? What should I then use 4 u as reference. pls tell me. Or you don't believe in Bible again .

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plappville:
Jésus is a saviour not a murderer like Muhammed. Islam means War, death, pains, suffering, hate, bombing etc. That's what the world is going through today.

I so much admire @anunaki2 signature. It says:

imagine a world without Islam.

A world without Islam will be Peaceful, loving, hospitality, enjoyable, full of Life friendly etc. But unfortunately, this world is with Islam. ..

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Nonsense illiterate. Companion of fools... Make allegation against Islam or defend our allegation against Christianity rather than admiring someone who run when I ask him question. Neither you nor him can answer them. Fools

FriendChoice:
I am quoting you what you believe in, you don't agree in Islam neither Quran, but you quote it to me to justify your claim that Jesus is spirit. Don't you ? Yes or No. Answer me.

Should I quote the Qur'an for you as reference.??. That will be even easier 4 me.

If you cannot defend yourself or your religion, its not by forced, you can keep quite. If I don't believe in it, don't you? What should I then use 4 u as reference. pls tell me. Or you don't believe in Bible again .

There is deferent, I quote Qur'an and how Muhammad & Islamic scholars understood those verses NOT MY OWN INTERPRETATION but you quote Bible with your own interpretation even when those verses didn't support your believe.

And this is what I mean; In Luke you quoted Jesus was proving His crucifixion to His disciples to show them that it is the same person they associated with before He was crucified that is still standing with them but you took that to mean He is a MAN. What was Jesus Christ trying to prove before making this statement "Behold my HANDS and my FEET, that it is I myself:", what happened to Jesus' HANDS and FEET that He said people should behold?

I know you can't answer them and this shows that you just gave that verse the meaning you want it to have.

FriendChoice:
JESUS (PBUH) "IS A WORD FROM ALLAH" NOT "THE WORD OF ALLAH" The Qur’an mentions in Surah Ali ‘Imran Chapter 3 verse 45

"Behold! The angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a WORD FROM HIM: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah. [Al-Qur’an 3:45]

Jesus (pbuh) is referred in the Qur’an as a word
from Allah and not as ‘the word of Allah’. "A word" of Allah means a message of Allah. If a person is referred to as "a word" from Allah, it means that he is a Messenger or a Prophet of Allah.

And the Hadith I quoted where Muhammad called Isa [b]THE WORD and THE SPIRIT of Allah means Muhammad is wrong, right? Just continue....

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Just tell me that this Hadith isn't correct then I'll arrest my case.

Different titles are given to different prophets (pbut). Whenever a title is given to a prophet (pbuh), it does not necessarily mean that the other prophets do not have the same characteristic or quality. For e.g. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Khaleelullah, a friend of Allah. This does not indicate that all the other Prophets (pbuh) were not the friends of Allah. Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kaleemullah, indicating that God spoke to him [/b]

Yet the Title of Isa is the ONLY one that contains ETERNAL part of God...SMH

JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED "A WORD" OF ALLAH

Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah i.e. a word of Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39

"There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer! While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a WORD FROM ALLAH, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous." [Al-Qur’an 3:39]

But Muhammad and many Islamic scholars said Isa is the Kalimatuhu (the very word of Allah- just like Qur'an) and not just Kalimat-Minhu (a word from him). It's like you know more than them.

And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through OUR ANGEL[Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. [Quran 21:91]


[the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] , THROUGH OUR ANGEL and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient. [Qur'an 66:12]

The verse here is talking on Angel Jibril as spirit. Don't worry, I will help you with the verse that say Jesus is Spirit from God



JESUS (PBUH) REFERRED AS RUHULLAH - A SPIRIT OF ALLAH

Jesus (pbuh) also never referred to as Ruhullah "a spirit of Allah" but as a spirit from Allah in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 171

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171]

And yet your Muhammad and Islamic scholars said this about Isa:

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Ibn Arabi's statement is perhaps the closest acknowledgement any Muslim has ever made in relation to Jesus' Deity: "Surely," he said, "He has no equal. He is the Spirit and the Son of the Spirit, and Mary is His mother." (Quoted by Robert Payne in The History of Islam, p.83)

When we keep in mind that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and Christ is the Spirit and the Spirit's Son, this makes Christ God, the Son of God!

Muhammad Ayub's book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, vol. II. The House of Imran:
Tabari, an Islamic scholar quotes on the authority of Al-Suddi a debate between the Christians of Najran and Muhammad in which Muhammad was asked what he thought of Jesus, to which he answered: "He is the servant of God, His Spirit and Word." (p.184)

Are these people wrong or you're the only person having contrary view here?

SPIRIT OF ALLAH IS BREATHED IN EVERY HUMAN BEING

A spirit from Allah does not indicate that Jesus (pbuh) is God. The Qur’an mentions in several places that Allah breathed into the human beings

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

"Who made everything He has created good and He began the creation of man from clay. Then he made his offsprings (children of Adam) from semen of despised water. "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit (soul) And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" [Al-Qur’an 32:7:8:9]


The spirit of God is breath to all human being including you and me. Jesus, Adam, Abraham, John etc Peace be upon them all have spirit of God breathed in them

So, the Spirit of God is no more person again because according to Muhammad & Muslims understanding THE SPIRIT of God is Angel Jibril that brought down Qur'an and imparted Isa life inside Mary. So it means all Muslims have Angel Jibril inside them, that's wonderful

You did not address the verses NOT because I twisted them, But rather YOU CANNOT SIMPLY. EVEN NOW YOU DID NOT.

You believe Jesus is a man and you worship him, and he is servant of God and you still worship, I will use the verse below as prayer. Say Ameen. Looking forward for your big Ameeeeen. If indeed you're a Christian not hypocrite.

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

I know the next thing you'll do is to accuse Apostle Paul of false teaching but before then is what Apostle Paul wrote here true?

God have no flesh nor bones, Jesus tells you to touch and feel him. For God is not a man

So why was Jesus telling people to touch and feel Him if not to prove something to them?

What is the meaning of Jesus statement, just to prove that He is just a man or He has undergone crucifixion?

Then what point did you make above, you're only affirming to me he is not God. God is not man and Jesus is Man. You even go further in telling me God is not son of man. While Jesus is son Mary, a woman. For some of you that call Marry God, marry is the daughter of Man and Woman. For God is not the Son of Man. Now show me where I twisted, after you finished giving me more reference. Once again thank you for exposing my evil heart

No, if I should prove that verse further you'll know that you've missed it.

The actual point in the verse is God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent..."

From both Islamic and Christianity believe Jesus is the only person who neither sin not ask for forgiveness which means He is God since it's only man that sin and repent.

So God can Now have flesh when Jesus himself tells you he has bones and God have no bones, God don't eat Jesus eat. When someone eat he need to visit the toilet. What goes in goes out. Stop beating around the bush blaa blaa. State the verse where God came in form of a man?

Olodo...even a primary school student will grab the example I gave in nanosecond.

Let me give you another example since you're too dull to grab the first.
We've seen people making this phrase "ANIMAL in human flesh"
So, Ade is an ANIMAL is different from Ade came in an ANIMAL form.
So Jesus is God but came to earth in a MAN FORM easy to understand.

(i)"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me." [The Bible, John 14:24 (ii)"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent." [The Bible, John 17:3]

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ .
Infact if you read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter No.14, Verse No.28 he said… My Father is greater than I’ ; Gospel of John, Chapter No.10, Verse No.29… ‘My Father is greater than all’ ; Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.12, Verse No.28… ‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’; Gospel of Luke, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20… ‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’;

But cropped out where Jesus said "My Father and I are one" lol.....that's what I'm saying cherry pick any part you like and thinking you're making sense.

Gospel of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.30… ‘I can of my own self do nothing – As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ – he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim – and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God

Despite Jesus being referring to God as His Father in the above quoted Bible and you still think He is a Muslim still baffles me. Typical Muslim thinking up side down.

I can go on an on to quote Bible where Jesus deity is mention but I know it will just lead to a fruitless effort because you'll start to say Bible is corrupt bla bla....so enjoying your perverted understanding of those verses you're quoted.

Emusan:
And the Hadith I quoted where Muhammad called Isa THE WORD and THE SPIRIT of Allah means Muhammad is wrong, right? Just continue....

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Just tell me that this Hadith isn't correct then I'll arrest my case.

Why taking me back. The Hadith is correct, the spirit of God is also breathed in you also. I quote the verse 4 you, simple as that. I not saying you must agree with the verse. But I am done with that, don't take me back. The truth is clear from the false.


And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

Yet the Title of Isa is the ONLY one that contains ETERNAL part of God...SMH
But Muhammad and many Islamic scholars said Isa is the Kalimatuhu (the very word of Allah- just like Qur'an) and not just Kalimat-Minhu (a word from him). It's like you know more than them.
And yet your Muhammad and Islamic scholars said this about Isa:

According to Anas, the Prophet said,...”Then he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them,”... (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

I also have that spirit in me, what is so special about it.

"Who made everything He has created good and He began the creation of man from clay. Then he made his offsprings (children of Adam) from semen of despised water. "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit (soul) And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" [Al-Qur’an 32:7:8:9]

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Ibn Arabi's statement is perhaps the closest acknowledgement any Muslim has ever made in relation to Jesus' Deity: "Surely," he said, "He has no equal. He is the Spirit and the Son of the Spirit, and Mary is His mother." (Quoted by Robert Payne in The History of Islam, p.83)

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You can try better in creating another history of Islam. Deceive yourself, Verses and hadith are present clearly explaining to you, you went to bring fabricated story and bring it to me. Son of Spirit Never Islam. Does not exist.

[s]When we keep in mind that God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and Christ is the Spirit and the Spirit's Son, this makes Christ God, the Son of God! [/s]

Muhammad Ayub's book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, vol. II. The House of Imran:
Tabari, an Islamic scholar quotes on the authority of Al-Suddi a debate between the Christians of Najran and Muhammad in which Muhammad was asked what he thought of Jesus, to which he answered: "He is the servant of God, His Spirit and Word." (p.184)[/color]

Are these people wrong or you're the only person having contrary view here?

They are very correct, he is the spirit of God. His spirit, what's wrong with there, the spirit is also breathed in you. And that's why I love the verse below, it doesn't stop their it go on to further warn you people about Trinity.


"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171]

So, the Spirit of God is no more person again because according to Muhammad & Muslims understanding THE SPIRIT of God is Angel Jibril that brought down Qur'an and imparted Isa life inside Mary. So it means all Muslims have Angel Jibril inside them, that's wonderful

Ist a new thing for word to have two meanings.

"Say: the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as guidance and glad tidings to Muslims." — Qur'an, sura 16 (An-Nahl ), ayat 102 [5] . Angel Jibril is the one who bring revelation the verse confirm it

And when in the previous verses GOD breathed Spirit (soul in human being) what's wrong there

I know the next thing you'll do is to accuse Apostle Paul of false teaching but before then is what Apostle Paul wrote here true?

So why was Jesus telling people to touch and feel Him if not to prove something to them?
What is the meaning of Jesus statement, just to prove that He is just a man or He has undergone crucifixion?

No, if I should prove that verse further you'll know that you've missed it.

The actual point in the verse is God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent..."

From both Islamic and Christianity believe Jesus is the only person who neither sin not ask for forgiveness which means He is God since it's only man that sin and repent.

Olodo...even a primary school student will grab the example I gave in nanosecond.

What are you then proving with the verses above. Jesus is man and son of a man. for God is not son of a man. What exactly did you said.

[b] And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ ( Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10 )

God say non else, you said no. God, Jesus, then non else. Bunch of liars.

The Muslims believe the Prophets were sinless and pure, it doesn’t mean they were divine. The Holy Quran validates the Prophets of God by denying the falsehood of the Bible.

Christians boast that Jesus was sinless and pure, yet the Bible teaches the exact opposite. Jesus was adopted into a cursed lineage; he was baptized to remove the sins. Christians believe the exact opposite of the New Testament.
The baptism itself was the first awkward fact. Ordinarily, John's baptism stood as a sign that one had repented of sin: "Abbaptism in token of repentance, for the forgiveness of sins"

(Mark 1:4). It appears not to have troubled Mark that he presented Jesus as a repentant sinner : [/b]

Let me give you another example since you're too dull to grab the first.
We've seen people making this phrase "ANIMAL in human flesh"
So, Ade is an ANIMAL is different from Ade came in an ANIMAL form.
So Jesus is God but came to earth in a MAN FORM easy to understand.

But cropped out where Jesus said [b]"My Father and I are one" lol.....that's what I'm saying cherry pick any part you like and thinking you're making sense.

Despite Jesus being referring to God as His Father in the above quoted Bible and you still think He is a Muslim still baffles me. Typical Muslim thinking up side down.
I can go on an on to quote Bible where Jesus deity is mention but I know it will just lead to a fruitless effort because you'll start to say Bible is corrupt bla bla....so enjoying your perverted understanding of those verses you're quoted.

I wount even waste my time, bringing the verses I earlier explain.

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ . Or I am God in form of a man

Bring the place.??.? rather than saying trash.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists. [Qur'an 3:67]

The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus, the Bible confirms it.

Stop running from this, as you can see I don't run from yours I will use the verse below as prayer. Say Ameen. Looking forward for your big Ameeeeen. If indeed you're a Christian not hypocrite.

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]



They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If.they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (Quran 5:73-75)

Torah: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

God is one and none else. Come and deny your Bible

You're still beating around the bush.

FriendChoice:
Why taking me back. The Hadith is correct, [size=14pt]the spirit of God is also breathed[/size] in you also. I quote the verse 4 you, simple as that. I not saying you must agree with the verse. But I am done with that, don't take me back. The truth is clear from the false.


And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]




I also have that spirit in me, what is so special about it.

"Who made everything He has created good and He began the creation of man from clay. Then he made his offsprings (children of Adam) from semen of despised water. "But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit (soul) And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" [Al-Qur’an 32:7:8:9]

Sorry, I can see you're the one who doesn't understand your own book.

Allah breath SOMETHING of His spirit NOT HIS OWN SPIRIT the Spirit of God is different from the breath of God that imparts life in every human, gosh...which Islamic school did you attend? This is why I haven't seen any Islamic scholar equating the Spirit of God and what God breath inside human which is LIFE.

At this time if you can't differentiate between the Spirit of God and the breath of God which LIFE sorry is your case.

You can try better in creating another history of Islam. Deceive yourself, Verses and hadith are present clearly explaining to you, you went to bring fabricated story and bring it to me. Son of Spirit Never Islam. Does not exist.

Useless excuse, please tell that to your scholar Ibn Arabi!

They are very correct, he is the spirit of God. His spirit, what's wrong with there, the spirit is also breathed in you. And that's why I love the verse below, it doesn't stop their it go on to further warn you people about Trinity

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171] .

But you're claiming before that His not a Spirit. What reset your brain?

Now for you to acknowledge that Isa is the Spirit of God if you like attach any meaning you want to it but the truth is everyone knows what THE SPIRIT OF GOD means. The Spirit of God is uncreated and absolutely within the being of God.

Ist a new thing for word to have two meanings.

Show us the Arabic word for the Spirit of God and where the same word was used for human being.

"Say: the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as guidance and glad tidings to Muslims." — Qur'an, sura 16 (An-Nahl ), ayat 102 [5] . Angel Jibril is the one who bring revelation the verse confirm it

Yes according to Islam Angel Jibril and Holy Spirit are both same which makes It a PERSON. That is, a being that possesses personality.
Now to say this being is what Allah breath into you is laughable and show the level of your understanding about Islam itself.

And when in the previous verses GOD breathed Spirit (soul in human being) what's wrong there

Now you said GOD BREATH SPIRIT which means human soul but this is different from God breath HIS SPIRIT, you're now using style to tell us that THE SPIRIT of God is different from the breath of God. Whereas, everyone knows!

What are you then proving with the verses above. Jesus is man and son of a man. for God is not son of a man. What exactly did you said.

[b] And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ ( Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10 )

God say non else, you said no. God, Jesus, then non else. Bunch of liars.

Like I said, you can continue to quote anywhere you like from the Holy Bible that's your own cup of tea because you know vividly that you've been cheery picking it and even given them your own interpretation.

So if I start counter your claim by bringing other Biblical passages what you'll resort to is that Bible is corrupt.

The Muslims believe the Prophets were sinless and pure, it doesn’t mean they were divine. The Holy Quran validates the Prophets of God by denying the falsehood of the Bible.

No wonder Muhammad keeps asking for the forgiveness of his sins, keep deceiving yourself.

Christians boast that Jesus was sinless and pure, yet the Bible teaches the exact opposite. Jesus was adopted into a cursed lineage; he was baptized to remove the sins. Christians believe the exact opposite of the New Testament.
The baptism itself was the first awkward fact. Ordinarily, John's baptism stood as a sign that one had repented of sin: "Abbaptism in token of repentance, for the forgiveness of sins"

(Mark 1:4). It appears not to have troubled Mark that he presented Jesus as a repentant sinner : [/b]

Cheep propaganda, Muhammad and many Islamic scholars belief that Jesus lives a perfect life. So you can continue to twist The Word of God as you like.

I wount even waste my time, bringing the verses I earlier explain.

When in actual sense you explained nothing.

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’ . Or I am God in form of a man

And I guess also that there is a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible where Jesus Christ says 'I am not God' - or where He says 'Don't worship me' or I am not God in form of man.

Bring the place.??.? rather than saying trash.

Bring the place rather than saying rubbish.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists. [Qur'an 3:67]

The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus, the Bible confirms it.

Yet Jesus called God His Father and Abraham Islam and you Muslims dare not call God Father...what a dunce!

Stop running from this, as you can see I don't run from yours I will use the verse below as prayer. Say Ameen. Looking forward for your big Ameeeeen. If indeed you're a Christian not hypocrite.

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

So if this is a prayer, that means Apostle Paul speaks the mind of God and that made your Muhammad a liar.

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If.they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (Quran 5:73-75)

Torah: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)
God is one and none else. Come and deny your Bible

Please can you show me from the Holy Bible where it was written that God is one of the TRINITY?

Another lie from Allah, Christians have never said God is one of the three in Trinity. If your Allah is ignorant of this how much more you followers.

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Emusan:
You're still beating around the bush.
Sorry, I can see you're the one who doesn't understand your own book.

Allah breath SOMETHING of His spirit NOT HIS OWN SPIRIT the Spirit of God is different from the breath of God that imparts life in every human, gosh...which Islamic school did you attend? This is why I haven't seen any Islamic scholar equating the Spirit of God and what God breath inside human which is LIFE.

At this time if you can't differentiate between the Spirit of God and the breath of God which LIFE sorry is your case. Useless excuse, please tell that to your scholar Ibn Arabi! But you're claiming before that His not a Spirit. What reset your brain? Now for you to acknowledge that Isa is the Spirit of God if you like attach any meaning you want to it but the truth is everyone knows what THE SPIRIT OF GOD means. The Spirit of God is uncreated and absolutely within the being of God.

Show us the Arabic word for the Spirit of God and where the same word was used for human being. Yes according to Islam Angel Jibril and Holy Spirit are both same which makes It a PERSON. That is, a being that possesses personality.
Now to say this being is what Allah breath into you is laughable and show the level of your understanding about Islam itself.

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If you said Jesus is spirit just the way you said he is God, then you're a liar. God explain spirit in Quran as soul and in another meaning Angel Jibril. Look how useless you are, you are using history written by someone to make your point, quote Quran, hadith or keep quite. If i bring something outside the bible for you as history will you accept it.



The spirit of God is created and that is what is breathed in you and I and Jesus.

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

Now you said GOD BREATH SPIRIT which means human soul but this is different from God breath HIS SPIRIT, you're now using style to tell us that THE SPIRIT of God is different from the breath of God. Whereas, everyone knows!

Like I said, you can continue to quote anywhere you like from the Holy Bible that's your own cup of tea because you know vividly that you've been cheery picking it and even given them your own interpretation.

So if I start counter your claim by bringing other Biblical passages what you'll resort to is that Bible is corrupt.

No wonder Muhammad keeps asking for the forgiveness of his sins, keep deceiving yourself. Cheep propaganda, Muhammad and many Islamic scholars belief that Jesus lives a perfect life. So you can continue to twist The Word of God as you like.

When in actual sense you explained nothing.

Dont need to readdress this again. all have been addressed in previous post, for anyone reading, should check my previous reply on this. He is sticking to his lies. But thank God gradually you are believing in the truth. Alhamdulillah he now agree that spirit can have two meanings. that is both angel and soul

And I guess also that there is a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible where Jesus Christ says 'I am not God' - or where He says 'Don't worship me' or I am not God in form of man.

Bring the place rather than saying rubbish.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA I ask you to bring the verse where he said he was God, you cannot because there is not. You are now asking me to point where he says he was not God. Something that doesnt exit need not to be said. When i know i am man, why should i come and tell you i am man not bird. When you yourself said i am bird not man, then you prove it. Foolishness of highest order from you.

Yet Jesus called God His Father and Abraham Islam and you Muslims dare not call God Father...what a dunce!

The moment Muslim should referred God as father, that the moment you will say he own begotten son. I only quote bible for you because thats your believe]

So if this is a prayer, that means Apostle Paul speaks the mind of God and that made your Muhammad a liar.

Please can you show me from the Holy Bible where it was written that God is one of the TRINITY?

Another lie from Allah, Christians have never said God is one of the three in Trinity. If your Allah is ignorant of this how much more you followers.

We dont care about what you said or your insult about Allah (SWT) to Muhammad (SAW). Simple you insult the lord of Jesus and that is Allah. The prayer is from the Bible not Quran. The question is straight forward. This is the one of the reason you people failed exam. SAY AMEEN ITS BIBLE VERSE Or You dont believe in the entire Bible. Quote any verse in the Quran dont add your words to it. Ask me to say Ameen and see.

Say Ameen Below, it will save us all from this discussion

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

FriendChoice:


Nonsense illiterate. Companion of fools... Make allegation against Islam or defend our allegation against Christianity rather than admiring someone who run when I ask him question. Neither you nor him can answer them. Fools

You are just an e-terrorist like in the picture. All u do is throw insults. Intimidate people. You havent made any sense to draw my attention. Islam is exposing itself. Am glad to see that many are coming to know the true image of this satanic religion.

You just rant garbage here. My time is precious. Not for your type.

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plappville:
You are just an e-terrorist like in the picture. All u do is throw insults. Intimidate people. You havent made any sense to draw my attention. Islam is exposing itself. Am glad to see that many are coming to know the true image of this satanic religion.

You just rant garbage here. My time is precious. Not for your type.

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Companion of fools.

I can see that you're still ranting without addressing the main point have been raising since.

FriendChoice:
[s][/s]If you said Jesus is spirit just the way you said he is God, then you're a liar. God explain spirit in Quran as soul and in another meaning Angel Jibril. Look how useless you are, you are using history written by someone to make your point, quote Quran, hadith or keep quite. If i bring something outside the bible for you as history will you accept it.

What I want to clear from your ignoramus is:
[b]1. The Spirit of God which is a person is different from the BREATH of God which is LIFE
2. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE SPIRIT of God is uncreated which means is Eternal only attribute of God.
3. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE WORD of God is uncreated that's why Qur'an is eternal.
4. According to Muhammad belief and many Islamic scholars (NOTE: these are not enemies of Islam but those who interpreted the Qur'an) Isa is The Word of God and The Spirit of God.
5. If Isa is both The Word and Spirit of God, then Isa is more than a prophet. That's why you first erroneously argued that Jesus isn't a Spirit before you reset your brain to admit that YES HE IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

I quote hadith and Qur'an and supported it with how ISLAMIC SCHOLARS UNDERSTOOD it, is that materials outside Islam or you don't know what is the meaning of SCHOLARS is anymore

[size=14pt]The spirit of God is created[/size] and that is what is breathed in you and I and Jesus.

What else do I need to say after you can say The Spirit of God is created....

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]

Like I said this verse doesn't mean Allah breath HIS SPIRIT into Adam but SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT which is LIFE the Spirit of God is a PERSON (Jibril according to you), why are you adamant to correction For you confusion to continue you have to resort to another translation.

Dont need to readdress this again. all have been addressed in previous post, for anyone reading, should check my previous reply on this. He is sticking to his lies. But thank God gradually you are believing in the truth. [size=14pt]Alhamdulillah he now agree that spirit can have two meanings. that is both angel and soul[/size]

Imaging, after I challenge you to provide the Arabic word for THE SPIRIT OF GOD and let us see whether it's used for human and I took my time to educate you the different between The Spirit of God and The Life in human you can come up with a fact LIE saying I agree

I know your style, you'll soon craw back to where you came from don't worry.

Everyone can see all the evident I've provided from my previous posts.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA I ask you to bring the verse where he said he was God, you cannot because there is not. You are now asking me to point where he says he was not God. Something that doesnt exit need not to be said. When i know i am man, why should i come and tell you i am man not bird. When you yourself said i am bird not man, then you prove it. Foolishness of highest order from you.

I've told you I don't need to bring any verse because I know where it will end that's why I re-directed the question to you.

At least if you can provide a single verse where Jesus said openly that "I am not God" or "don't worship me" and I'm here still telling you that Jesus is God that means something is wrong somewhere.

But since Jesus neither says "I AM God nor I AM not God" or "Worship me nor don't worship me" I think the best is to look at the claims He made and compared them with God's nature.

The moment Muslim should referred God as father, that the moment you will say he own begotten son. I only quote bible for you because thats your believe]

Shut the fucking up, you quoted places not just one where Jesus called God His Father which is against your believe, you're here now spewing rubbish. It's evident that Jesus can't be a Muslim since He addressed God as His Father you just want to twist the evident.

We dont care about what you said or your insult about Allah (SWT) to Muhammad (SAW). Simple you insult the lord of Jesus and that is Allah. The prayer is from the Bible not Quran. The question is straight forward. This is the one of the reason you people failed exam. SAY AMEEN ITS BIBLE VERSE Or You dont believe in the entire Bible. Quote any verse in the Quran dont add your words to it. Ask me to say Ameen and see.

Nobody is insulting, just show me where it was written in the Bible or even a claim by any Christians bodies that God is one of the Three in TRINITY if not that Qur'anic verse is wrong and once is wrong that means the Author is a liar.

Say Ameen Below, it will save us all from this discussion

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

My question again, what is prayer in this It's this how you pray in Islam

Emusan:
I can see that you're still ranting without addressing the main point have been raising since.
What I want to clear from your ignoramus is:
1. The Spirit of God which is a person is different from the BREATH of God which is LIFE
2. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE SPIRIT of God is uncreated which means is Eternal only attribute of God.
3. According to Muhammad understanding which is your prophet and many Islamic scholars THE WORD of God is uncreated that's why Qur'an is eternal.
4. According to Muhammad belief and many Islamic scholars (NOTE: these are not enemies of Islam but those who interpreted the Qur'an) Isa is The Word of God and The Spirit of God.
5. If Isa is both The Word and Spirit of God, then Isa is more than a prophet. That's why you first erroneously argued that Jesus isn't a Spirit before you reset your brain to admit that YES HE IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

I quote hadith and Qur'an and supported it with how ISLAMIC SCHOLARS UNDERSTOOD it, is that materials outside Islam or you don't know what is the meaning of SCHOLARS is anymore

No. Spirit of God is only two in the Quran. Angel JIbril and Life. Nothing Much. You can continue to twist what you want to say, it will never change. QUran is constant. The perfect without imperfection. No verse in the Quran that notice Jesus Peace be upon him as son of God or the spirit you mean as God or God

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]." Indeed, this is the true narration. And there is no deity except Allah . And indeed, Allah is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. Quran 3:61:62:63
The verse above is talking of you that argue, Quran is responding to you. You that argue with the Quran. Lets invoke the curse of Allah on the liar

What else do I need to say after you can say The Spirit of God is created....
Like I said this verse doesn't mean Allah breath HIS SPIRIT into Adam but SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT which is LIFE the Spirit of God is a PERSON (Jibril according to you), why are you adamant to correction For you confusion to continue you have to resort to another translation.

[b]I am adamant to lies. Jesus was Just a prophet. God is One and non else

[color=#blue]‘And there is no God else beside Me [/color] [Christian = Jesus is beside you] ; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)

Luke 2:21
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child [God circumcised Doesnt make sense], his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)? Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?

"I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. [Christians NOO JESUS IS GOD IN MAN FORM] ’ (Malachi 3:6)

*During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood that was shed from his wounds? Did the cells of his body die as ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.

Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?

Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.

Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)


Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible. [/b]

Imaging, after I challenge you to provide the Arabic word for THE SPIRIT OF GOD and let us see whether it's used for human and I took my time to educate you the different between The Spirit of God and The Life in human you can come up with a fact LIE saying I agree

I know your style, you'll soon craw back to where you came from don't worry.

Everyone can see all the evident I've provided from my previous posts.

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [Quran 5;59]

What is the essense of giving you Arabic word that you dont even understand, you want to argue on what you dont understand. The verse you need is right here. Jesus = Adam. If Jesus is God then Adam is more God than Him.

I've told you I don't need to bring any verse because I know where it will end that's why I re-directed the question to you.

At least if you can provide a single verse where Jesus said openly that "I am not God" or "don't worship me" and I'm here still telling you that Jesus is God that means something is wrong somewhere.

I asked you to provide a single verse where Jesus says he is God worship me, or i am God in man form. YOU CANNOT. That means christians have two option to worship Jesus or Not to worship him When something did not exist you dont need a verse in it. Youre just stupid concerning this. Not a single verse in the Bible WHere jesus himself said i am God worship me. Therefore anybody worshiping Jesus is doing so at his own selfishness. Christain are allowed to do an act of worship outside their relegion, thats why they can worship jesus outside his commandement in Bible

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. if he is God he would not have said this, he would have say no one is good except jesus (son) and father

Shut the fucking up, you quoted places not just one where Jesus called God His Father which is against your believe, you're here now spewing rubbish. It's evident that Jesus can't be a Muslim since He addressed God as His Father you just want to twist the evident.

Nonsense, know the difference between what i quote in the quran and bible. In Quran no where Jesus call God his father, neither Abraham.
I only quote your corrupted scripture to make my point. If you want me to use Quran only indicate, I can use it. And be ready to use bible only. confused person


He who want to worship God must worship him in Spirit form not in man form with flesh and bones, Not the man who is circumcised. Not the man who eat and goes to the toilet, not the man who cries.

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." [John 4:24]

Nobody is insulting, just show me where it was written in the Bible or even a claim by any Christians bodies that God is one of the Three in TRINITY if not that Qur'anic verse is wrong and once is wrong that means the Author is a liar.

Quran was never wrong, Allah says if Quran is wrong produced one chapter in it.
Its your book that is corrupted, things change in the bible, even christian leaders believe it.

[b]In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.


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My question again, what is prayer in this It's this how you pray in Islam

YES ITS HOW WE PRAY. In islam we have different type of prayers sallah is also a prayeer, using the Quran verse is also a prayer. For every alphabet we get reward.

And those who say, "Our Lord, grant us from among our wives and offspring comfort to our eyes and make us an example for the righteous." 25;74
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people." 2;286

Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen


[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

Say Ameen if indeed you are a follower of Bible and Jesus NOT the follower of Pastor and Church

SAY AMEEN IF THE VERSE IS CORRECT

FriendChoice:
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If you said Jesus is spirit just the way you said he is God, then you're a liar. God explain spirit in Quran as soul and in another meaning Angel Jibril. Look how useless you are, you are using history written by someone to make your point, quote Quran, hadith or keep quite. If i bring something outside the bible for you as history will you accept it.



The spirit of God is created and that is what is breathed in you and I and Jesus.

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15: 28,29]





Dont need to readdress this again. all have been addressed in previous post, for anyone reading, should check my previous reply on this. He is sticking to his lies. But thank God gradually you are believing in the truth. Alhamdulillah he now agree that spirit can have two meanings. that is both angel and soul




HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA I ask you to bring the verse where he said he was God, you cannot because there is not. You are now asking me to point where he says he was not God. Something that doesnt exit need not to be said. When i know i am man, why should i come and tell you i am man not bird. When you yourself said i am bird not man, then you prove it. Foolishness of highest order from you.



The moment Muslim should referred God as father, that the moment you will say he own begotten son. I only quote bible for you because thats your believe]





We dont care about what you said or your insult about Allah (SWT) to Muhammad (SAW). Simple you insult the lord of Jesus and that is Allah. The prayer is from the Bible not Quran. The question is straight forward. This is the one of the reason you people failed exam. SAY AMEEN ITS BIBLE VERSE Or You dont believe in the entire Bible. Quote any verse in the Quran dont add your words to it. Ask me to say Ameen and see.

Say Ameen Below, it will save us all from this discussion

[[[[[[[[[... [b] "For the wrath of God l is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth For what can be Known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the "creature" rather than the "CREATOR" who is blessed forever! Amen. Roman 1:18-25 [/b] ......]]]]]]]]]

jazaka Allaah brother, but don't you think your words are too strong?

lexiconkabir:
jazaka Allaah brother, but don't you think your words are too strong?

May Allah blessed you. If there is anything you see, you need to call my attention, please do so, wether here or via private email/message. Any1 you think is suitable 4 you.

@Emusan
It seems the guy has shallow way of reasoning that he could not understand the difference between Spirit and breath of life even when you proved it to him right from his own book(quran).

I would love you don't waste your time with him.


More power to your elbow.