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Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 12:47pm On Apr 17, 2013
O Man of GOD ,

Can we use our brains or is it a sin to engage our grey matter ?

Permit me to think for a moment, or see reason , in fact allow me examine the facts and make an informed decision .

I like to see reason with you , but you seem not to want to reason with me, you want me to take a leap by blind faith into the ambiguity of religion , I refuse to do so , transparency and accuracy are my watch words.

Logic and Reason and Faith, awesome friends , but you do not like this approach ?


They say,

let my pastor reason for me, and let my MOG think for me, or let brother A and sister B examine the facts, I know I have a brain but perhaps it's only for decoration , okay let's be honest , it's there to coordinate the 5 senses and nothing else.

You know I despair for our Nigerian youth, they are talented, intelligent and more than able, but they have been enslaved by wicked task masters who have taken away their ability to think logically, process information independently and come to logical and reasonable deductions.

Phrases such as " my Pastor said ", "in my church", "as for my group" etc are very common in the body of Christ, suggesting an inability to function as an individual , this is very worrisome.

Brethren,

let us use our brains, God gave us a brain and wisdom , though we can ask for more and more wisdom,we are able, we can think, we do not always have to agree with our MOG and church dogmas.


If we do this ,

the atheists will be no match for us, we will wipe the floor with the pagans and the Muslims will fall into the loving arms of Jesus.


Examine all that you have ever been taught , YOURSELF , with scripture.

It's the 'use your brain' Months of April and May, let us see a change here from June.



Peace and Love, your rather erratic and eccentric Frosbel.


smiley
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by ijawkid(m): 12:54pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel: O Man of GOD ,

Can we use our brains or is it a sin to engage our grey matter ?

Permit me to think for a moment, or see reason , in fact allow me examine the facts and make an informed decision .

I like to see reason with you , but you seem not to want to reason with me, you want me to take a leap by blind faith into the darkness of folly, I refuse to do so.

Logic and Reason and Faith, awesome friends , but you do not like this approach ?


They say,

let my pastor reason for me, and let my MOG think for me, or let brother A and sister B examine the facts, I know I have a brain but perhaps it's only for decoration , okay let's be honest , it's there to coordinate the 5 senses and nothing else.

You know I despair for our Nigerian youth, they are talented, intelligent and more than able, but they have been enslaved by wicked task masters who have taken away their ability to think logically, process information independently and come to logical and reasonable deductions.

Phrases such as " my Pastor said ", "in my church", "as for my group" etc are very common in the body of Christ, suggesting an inability to function as an individual , this is very worrisome.

Brethren,

let us use our brains, God gave us a brain and wisdom , though we can ask for more and more wisdom, the atheists will be no match for us, we will wipe the floor with the pagans and the Muslims will fall into the loving arms of Jesus.

Examine all that you have ever been taught , YOURSELF , with scripture.

It's 'use you brain' Months , April and May, let us see a change here from June.



Peace and Love, your rather erratic and eccentric Frosbel.


smiley



grin
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 1:03pm On Apr 17, 2013
Frosbel, when last you visit toilet? E be lyk say belle dey worry you..

So u want Xtians to start using their brains so they can win more Muslims and defeat the atheists?

Jesus will come before that will happen.

Edit: tongue
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 1:15pm On Apr 17, 2013
musKeeto: Frosbel, when last you visit toilet? E be lyk say belle dey worry you..

So u want Xtians to start using their brains so they can win more Muslims and defeat the atheists?

Jesus will come before that will happen.

Edit: tongue

In addition to , believing in , and practicing of their faith to the true specifications of our letter.

What's the point believing in something you do not understand, cannot defend and hold onto either because of mummy and daddy or some emotional guilt trip or wrong expectations.

smiley

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 1:18pm On Apr 17, 2013
ijawkid:



grin

I was once insulted with the word 'erratic' on this forum, hence my usage of the same.

If insults and slander could kill , I should have been dead by now .

smiley
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alfaman2: 1:32pm On Apr 17, 2013
Christians admiting they don't really use their brains. cheesy

hehehe. Can't stop laughing. This is how it starts.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 1:37pm On Apr 17, 2013
alfaman2: Christians admiting they don't really use their brains. cheesy

hehehe. Can't stop laughing. This is how it starts.

And now , another youth of ours Like I said earlier , jumping to conclusions without engaging the brain grin

This article is addressed to our youth , but in no way means all of them, it means those who are enslaved to the creeds, dogmas and churches of MEN.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by bolaino(m): 2:05pm On Apr 17, 2013
Hmmmm, I see brother frosbel becoming a freethinker one of these days,



Mark my words!!!
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 2:10pm On Apr 17, 2013
bolaino: Hmmmm, I see brother frosbel becoming a freethinker one of these days,



Mark my words!!!

it's Jesus to the grave or till he comes.

By the mercy and grace of GOD , my faith is unshakable to the very end.


smiley

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Boomark(m): 3:31pm On Apr 17, 2013
The implication of not using our brains is why some of our brethren rigmarole over a simple question. Some run away from it. some use insults and intimidation to cover the shame of not knowing what to answer. Pride will not allow some say, 'tell me more, lets reason together.' And as for my friends that need to wait for the church fathers to answer the simple question, i pity them because they are not going to Rome any time soon to get answers. trekking to Rome is not an option.

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 3:36pm On Apr 17, 2013
Boomark: The implication of not using our brains is why some of our brethren rigmarole over a simple question. Some run away from it. some use insults and intimidation to cover the shame of not knowing what to answer. Pride will not allow some say, 'tell me more, lets reason together.' And as for my friends that need to wait for the church fathers to answer the simple question, i pity them because they are not going to Rome any time soon to get answers. trekking to Rome is not an option.


I couldn't have said it any better, thanks.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by turnstoner(m): 4:27pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel: O Man of GOD ,


If we do this ,

the atheists will be no match for us, we will wipe the floor with the pagans and the Muslims will fall into the loving arms of Jesus.


Examine all that you have ever been taught , YOURSELF , with scripture.

It's the 'use your brain' Months of April and May, let us see a change here from June.


Peace and Love, your rather erratic and eccentric Frosbel.

smiley

If you do all these, I assure you, you will all become atheists grin

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Boomark(m): 4:38pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel:

I couldn't have said it any better, thanks.

wink
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by sylve11: 4:40pm On Apr 17, 2013
I dey laff o. grin grin grin cool
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alexleo(m): 5:19pm On Apr 17, 2013
The scriptures, we are told is written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and he remains the best interpreter of the word. If we use only our brain we will become atheists. They use their brain to read the bible that's why they keep finding faults. I tell you I have the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the bible. I have the Holy Spirit to guide me aright after listening to a teaching or sermon. The very day I start using my brain only to read God's word I ll slide into atheism or free thinking(God forbid). I also advice that you keep in mind what you ve said to others so as not to do it toO. I mean you ve told us not to allow men of God to influence us to the point of we saying- my pastor said, my church said. At the same don't also enforce your teachings on people like those men of God you are talking about so as to avoid seeing people that ll be saying, frosbel said, frosbel said. That's how it starts. Thanks.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Image123(m): 5:19pm On Apr 17, 2013
what is the meaning of this using the brain. Opinions say that people who agree with person A are seen by person A as using their brain.

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alfaman2: 5:22pm On Apr 17, 2013
alexleo: The very day I start using my brain ... I ll slide into atheism or free thinking(God forbid).

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 7:42pm On Apr 17, 2013
Image123: what is the meaning of this using the brain. Opinions say that people who agree with person A are seen by person A as using their brain.


It means THINK , don't just blindly follow religion.



Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 7:43pm On Apr 17, 2013
turnstoner:

If you do all these, I assure you, you will all become atheists grin

actually I have been doing it for years and it's taking me nearer to Christ, something must be wrong wink
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 7:48pm On Apr 17, 2013
alexleo: The scriptures, we are told is written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and he remains the best interpreter of the word. If we use only our brain we will become atheists. They use their brain to read the bible that's why they keep finding faults. I tell you I have the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the bible. I have the Holy Spirit to guide me aright after listening to a teaching or sermon. The very day I start using my brain only to read God's word I ll slide into atheism or free thinking(God forbid). I also advice that you keep in mind what you ve said to others so as not to do it toO. I mean you ve told us not to allow men of God to influence us to the point of we saying- my pastor said, my church said. At the same don't also enforce your teachings on people like those men of God you are talking about so as to avoid seeing people that ll be saying, frosbel said, frosbel said. That's how it starts. Thanks.

Using our brains in the context of GOD's wisdom not the wisdom of this world that comes to naught.

Let me explain with scripture.

We reason with the wisdom that GOD gives us , he sheds light on his word and helps us reason out deep truths by revelation and deduction of logic , tying up all the loose ends.

One prayer I have been praying for weeks is for God to give me more wisdom, more and more and more , so that I can fulfill this scripture :

"For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1 Corinthians 1:19

The Bible says we should be as wise as serpents , it is very important that we use our God given brain with God applied wisdom to destroy the myths, lies and errors of religion and non-religion.

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing." 1 Corinthians 2:6
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by turnstoner(m): 8:26pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel:

actually I have been doing it for years and it's taking me nearer to Christ, something must be wrong wink

.....taking you nearer to Christ, says who?

Using your brain + holy spirit = using only your brain because there is no such thing as ''holy spirit'' undecided
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alfaman2: 8:37pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel:

actually I have been doing it for years and it's taking me nearer to Christ, something must be wrong wink

Yes, with your brain.

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alexleo(m): 9:14pm On Apr 17, 2013
frosbel:

Using our brains in the context of GOD's wisdom not the wisdom of this world that comes to naught.

Let me explain with scripture.

We reason with the wisdom that GOD gives us , he sheds light on his word and helps us reason out deep truths by revelation and deduction of logic , tying up all the loose ends.

One prayer I have been praying for weeks is for God to give me more wisdom, more and more and more , so that I can fulfill this scripture :

"For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1 Corinthians 1:19

The Bible says we should be as wise as serpents , it is very important that we use our God given brain with God applied wisdom to destroy the myths, lies and errors of religion and non-religion.

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing." 1 Corinthians 2:6

You ve said it better now. While I agree that most men of God are deceiving the congregation yet some of them are also very honest. The only error one can point about the honest pastors is that sometimes they are overzealous in their interpretations and we can'classify them together with those who are just interested in false and watered down teaching just to retain members and even have more which translates to more money for them. The truth of the word of God is usually hard and bitter and any church that wants money by way of large membership avoids giving out the hard truth. Even in the time of Jesus, when he spoke the hard truth a great number of his followers left him and this has always been the case. For any church to speak the hard truths without minding whether they ll lose membership I think such people should not be classified with this other money mongers. Finally we all have our shortfalls in bible interpretation, while the honest ones gives an overzealous interpretation sometimes(which is not a sin though) the false ones just water down the truth and this is highly dangerous for the eternal destiny of the receiver.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by oiseworld: 9:19pm On Apr 17, 2013
alexleo: The scriptures, we are told is written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and he remains the best interpreter of the word. If we use only our brain we will become atheists. They use their brain to read the bible that's why they keep finding faults. I tell you I have the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the bible. I have the Holy Spirit to guide me aright after listening to a teaching or sermon. The very day I start using my brain only to read God's word I ll slide into atheism or free thinking(God forbid). I also advice that you keep in mind what you ve said to others so as not to do it toO. I mean you ve told us not to allow men of God to influence us to the point of we saying- my pastor said, my church said. At the same don't also enforce your teachings on people like those men of God you are talking about so as to avoid seeing people that ll be saying, frosbel said, frosbel said. That's how it starts. Thanks.

I don't think Frosbel was referring to using our brains in interpreting scriptures. He quoted 1 cor 1:19. and I believe he understands what's written there.

He knows the holyspirit is the teacher of all things.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Image123(m): 2:14pm On Apr 18, 2013
frosbel:


It means THINK , don't just blindly follow religion.




Oh, thanks for the definition, though it remained ambiguous. Because people who agree with person A are seen by person A as thinking. As to blindly following religion, it's actually better to follow blindly than to follow religion with eyes wide open like many.
To the real issue however, there is no wrong in following God blindly sometimes. Following God is faith. Abraham followed God 'blindly'. He didn't seek permission to use his brains o man of God. He was called to an unknown place from the land of Ur. He was told to go and sacrifice his only son. I'm not going to expand on that and numerous other instances in the Bible and of God's expectation of believers. Actually, for others benefit, i hope to present the balance God expects of us. Every human is created with spirit, soul and body. We all have the privilege of using this three in their proper place. The brain as useful as it is, is not God's primary medium of fellowship. It is much secondary, if not even 'tertiary' in understanding spiritual things. People who focus on using their brains would ALWAYS end up dead spiritually. They continue to live dead lives, produce dead works and preach dead messages.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


It is the spirit that gives life. Except the Spirit breathes life, brainwork is useless. They are a lot of intelligent and brainy unbelievers who do not have eternal life. Not all of us are intelligent or intellectual, but we can all have faith. And that is the level at which God has chosen to operate, a level accessible to all. From Adam, it is observable that 'using our brains' in the things of the Spirit will produce death. The two trees in the garden of Eden are a picture of this using your brain and faith thing. The tree of life is a tree of dependence on God, and for eternity even with eternal life, it pertains to those that have right to the tree of life. It is an eternal dependence that we were made for. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a tree of independence. Choosing knowledge ahead of life is a choice of independence. And when you eat of that tree, you will die. The pedestals of logic and intellect are vast and very much untested/untapped. Like they say, many people hardly are able to use 20% of their brain's capacity throughout their lifetime. It is wide, new logic will defeat your logic. Better arguements will be produced. It's a no-way, its a any-way. Independence from God is not the way, dependence on God is one-way basically, in 10000years, 100years or 10days.
Adam was a man who got permission to use his brains. The pharisees also used their brains often. Little wonder they often missed what Jesus was saying. When He told them they would be free indeed, they quickly used their brains and said they were never in bondage to any man. For the christian, it is expedient that you are as a little child and as sheep to enjoy and experience the kingdom of God.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Adam chose the tree of knowledge but Christ chose to save us using the tree of foolishness.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.


Spiritual things are foolishness to the unbeliever.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man, the man of the flesh, trusting in his flesh will just die. The flesh profits NOTHING. It is the Spirit that quickens. It is not the brilliant idea or preaching, or the well thought out doctrine. A person can go through a verse/passage a hundred times in his life, but it suddenly takes on living meaning one day, and perhaps changes him. The same passage might not have that same impact on another day. Why? Because, its not by power or might, not by brainwork, but the life comes by the Spirit. I'm not saying we should 'amputate' our brains. It is God-given. It is useful but in its place. i cherish the words of the song writer "Take my intellect and use, every power as Thou shall choose". What the scripture says is that we should be SPIRITUALLY minded. When and if we use our minds, we should be SPIRITUALLY minded.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


There is a measure of truth in alexleo stating that If we use only our brain we will become atheists. The very day I start using my brain only to read God's word I ll slide into atheism or free thinking(God forbid). He's only saying the truth of God's Word. that's what God told Adam and Paul told us, the letter kills. How do you use/rely on your brain to understand the words of Jesus. You will only end up asking for His crucifixion. You'll end up being thrown out of the garden of Eden. Jesus said without Him, we can do nothing. The Christian is safer being sheepish than being brainy. The wisdom of God is to rely on God, every other ground is sinking sand, and should the winds blow, the floods come, and the rains descend, the structure though intricately built, will fall.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 2:18pm On Apr 18, 2013
^^^^^ Slave.

cheesy

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Goshen360(m): 2:27pm On Apr 18, 2013
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But solid food is for those who are ·grown up [mature]. They are mature enough [who through practice/exercise have trained their faculties/senses] to know the difference between good and evil.

Hebrews 5:14

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by PastorKun(m): 2:37pm On Apr 18, 2013
@Image Olodo tongue
There is a huge difference between following God and following a so called man of God.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Goshen360(m): 2:44pm On Apr 18, 2013
When God said, Come! Let us REASON together. In the New Testament, same God puts the Holy Spirit in a believer, who then are you gonna REASON with if you cannot use your SENSES? and with what are you gonna REASON if you're to come to the reasoning platform with a dumb\empty head\mind? God or Word Reasoning are biblical attributes of MATURE Christians.
Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Nobody: 2:47pm On Apr 18, 2013
Goshen360: When God said, Come! Let us REASON together. In the New Testament, same God puts the Holy Spirit in a believer, who then are you gonna REASON with if you cannot use your SENSES? and with what are you gonna REASON if you're to come to the reasoning platform with a dumb\empty head\mind? God or Word Reasoning are biblical attributes of MATURE Christians.

Brother, now we can understand why some people are in error , they don't use their brains. cool

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by Goshen360(m): 3:08pm On Apr 18, 2013
^
New International Version (©2011)
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 1 Corinthians 2:6

New International Version (©2011)
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature,

How is the above ^ possible?

(by). . . attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:13

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Re: Permission To Use Our Brains 'O' Man Of GOD. by alfaman2: 3:19pm On Apr 18, 2013
Image123:
Adam was a man who got permission to use his brains. ...

Adam chose the tree of knowledge but Christ chose to save us using the tree of foolishness.

Chei! cheesy I can't stop laughing. It would be unbelievable if I weren't reading it.

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