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JackBizzle:
So music is satanic

And you wonder why she left people who reason like you.

Shut up

lexiconkabir:
Shut up

Truth is bitter.

JackBizzle:
So music is satanic
And you wonder why she left people who reason like you.

hilarious, isn't it?

EazyMoh:
How does Muslim treats others?
Don't use the actions of a few to stereotype billion peoples.
Islam's philosophy is that of an eye for an eye. Whatever one Muslim or group do to you, you can retaliate same on them, just don't involve innocent Muslims.

The official policy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is discriminatory towards people of other faith. Christian school children are made to sit at the back of their class, they are not allowed to share spoons and cups with other children because they are seen as dirty infidels
The same goes to varying degree for every muslim majority countries that is guided by Sharia where blasphemy is punishable by death.
And stop using the old and tired excuse that only a few muslims are extreme enough to kill someone for blasphemy, it is just not true. If it were, we would see the outrage from the over one billion muslims who are not in support of the actions of those few. We would see the muslim community readily and willingly helping the law enforcement agency to apprehend those few. We would see "normal muslims" preaching the "real islam" to these few instead of to non muslims that are getting killed.
As to an eye for an eye, a woman is currently on death row in pakistan for blaspheming against Mohamed by saying that he is not a prophet. Would it then be ok with you if in Brazil that is a catholic majority country, a muslim is thrown in jail for denying the devinity of the catholic God which the catholics see as blasphemy?

EazyMoh:
How does Muslim treats others?
Don't use the actions of a few to stereotype billion peoples.
Islam's philosophy is that of an eye for an eye. Whatever one Muslim or group do to you, you can retaliate same on them, just don't involve innocent Muslims.

Explain to me why people who leave the muslim faith especially in muslim majority countries become fearful for their lives.

ColdHardTruth:
hilarious, isn't it?

It is ridiculous, actually.

The guy can't see why people want to leave that kind of backwards thinking

EazyMoh:
Wow! Ex Muslims Forum! as many as 3000 people worldwide! Thats wonderful. Bunch of misguided asylum seekers. Anyway it's better to leave Islam than to be killing in its name.

You're trying to form smart now eh? In other words, its the muslims close to abandoning their faith that go on killing sprees for islam?

Chei!! your dishonesty will put the devil to shame

shukuokukobambi:
You're trying to form smart now eh? In other words, its the muslims close to abandoning their faith that go on killing sprees for islam?

Chei!! your dishonesty will put the devil to shame

Am only responsible for what I mean not what you understand.

EazyMoh:
Am only responsible for what I mean not what you understand.

You're a horrible liar. Whom do you think you want to fool?

Beautiful woman.
Thank you Satan.

AlfaSeltzer:
Beautiful woman. Thank you Satan.

lol

EazyMoh:
What do you want from me exactly? See I don't have time to waste on you beating about the bush. Makkah or Ka'abah or Saudi Sharia government or any place can't represent Islam, because Islam is beyond them. The only government that could represent 100% ended with last Rasheedeen caliphate of Ali Bn Abi Talib.

Yet Saudi has the right to refuse Iranian citizens visa from coming to hajj this year. Because of their dispute. Are they not superior than others? Keep deceiving yourselves.

trapQ:
That is because Malaysia runs a Democratic system of government. They are free from the shackles of Islam and Sharia law. By the way, isn't mecca your most holy site? Why can't Saudi represent Islam? You can't hide the evil in Islam.

Good question.

plappville:
Yet Saudi has the right to refuse Iranian citizens visa from coming to hajj this year. Because of their dispute. Are they not superior than others? Keep deceiving yourselves.

Madam park well! That's pure politics between the two states which I don't care about, it has nothing to do with Islam.

EazyMoh:
Madam park well! That's pure politics between the two states which I don't care about, it has nothing to do with Islam.

Stop talking rubbish, Islam is a political religion, the problem between the Shia irans and sunni Saudi clearly has everything to do with Islam and the problem is as old as Islam itself.

plappville:
Yet Saudi has the right to refuse Iranian citizens visa from coming to hajj this year. Because of their dispute. Are they not superior than others? Keep deceiving yourselves.

Iranians are lucky that the Saudis deny them visa to pay homage to their pagan shrine. It is a good news. I pray the Iranians start using their brains and jettison the Arabian moon deity called allahh.

Kafir Akbar!

JackBizzle:
Truth is bitter.

It is bitter to those who hate the truth.

EazyMoh:
Madam park well! That's pure politics between the two states which I don't care about, it has nothing to do with Islam.

Of course, you will always talk like a Muslim.

Isis and co has nothing to do with Islam yet the quran confirm thier actions.

true2god:
Iranians are lucky that the Saudis deny them visa to pay homage to their pagan shrine. It is a good news. I pray the Iranians start using their brains and jettison the Arabian moon deity called allahh.

Kafir Akbar!

It just proves that Saudis has the right to stop anyone from coming to alla.h...

plappville:
It just proves that Saudis has the right to stop anyone from coming to alla.h...

The Saudis own allahh, period! In the pre-islamic era, people come to Mecca, from all Arabia, to display their idols like the modern trade fair where people show-case their goods.

Since allahh belongs to the Saudis, they have right to deny any non-saudi, or non-sunni, right to worship their pagan allahh. Currently, the ahmadiyya, the shia, the sufis are not allowed in Mecca to worship allahh. Iran has an exception, since they are 99% shia hence necessary to allow them pay homage to allahh. Non-iranian shias cannot enjoy this rare privilege.

Kafir Akbar!

true2god:
The Saudis own allahh, period! In the pre-islamic era, people come to Mecca, from all Arabia, to display their idols like the modern trade fair where people show-case their goods.

Since allahh belongs to the Saudis, they have right to deny any non-saudi, or non-sunni, right to worship their pagan allahh. Currently, the ahmadiyya, the shia, the sufis are not allowed in Mecca to worship allahh. Iran has an exception, since they are 99% shia hence necessary to allow them pay homage to allahh. Non-iranian shias cannot enjoy this rare privilege.

Kafir Akbar!

Really?

annunaki2:
Stop talking rubbish, Islam is a political religion, the problem between the Shia irans and sunni Saudi clearly has everything to do with Islam and the problem is as old as Islam itself.

Tell the verse in the Quran that caused Sunni Shia crisis. It was a case of who was supposed to be the first successor after the prophet's death, some people preferred Ali but Abubakar was chosen which later turned bloody and many companions were killed. If that isn't political I don't know what is! They were not fighting because they didn't agree on the five pillars of Islam, or the seven articles of faith, or any fundamental doctrine in Islam.
Better go and face your confused religion that was converted to conform with idolatry, where some believe in heaven others don't, some believe Jesus was God others believe he's just a son then came those who believe he was both.

plappville:
Of course, you will always talk like a Muslim.
Isis and co has nothing to do with Islam yet the quran confirm thier actions.

annunaki2:
Stop talking rubbish, Islam is a political religion, the problem between the Shia irans and sunni Saudi clearly has everything to do with Islam and the problem is as old as Islam itself.

Tell the verse in the Quran that caused Sunni Shia crisis. It was a case of who was supposed to be the first successor after the prophet's death, some people preferred Ali but Abubakar was chosen which later turned bloody and many companions were killed. If that isn't political I don't know what is! They were not fighting because they didn't agree on the five pillars of Islam, or the seven articles of faith, or any fundamental doctrine in Islam.
Better go and face your confused religion that was converted to conform with idolatry, where some believe in heaven others don't, some believe Jesus was God others believe he's just a son then came those who believe he was both.

Same to you too.

@EazyMoh: is it right to kill someone for blasphemy? If yes, tell me what you think of this young woman's story

My name is Yagmur (it means "rain". I was born in a rural Turkish village. Generally Turkish women enjoy many freedoms, which our Arab sisters can't even think of. Rural Turkey is a different story. Honour killings take place every day, women don't have much say (if any) in household matters and female employment is out of the question. However, much hard work is done by women because men don't want to strain themselves; women are like cattle or slaves. If your husband tells you to do something, you have to obey.

My mother was a fairly educated woman, she taught me at home and I even went to school. My hobby was reading books. Through them I learnt different languages and acquired a lot of knowledge. I was a disciplined and obedient girl, unlike my sister who was somewhat uppity. When she was 18, she fell in love with a young man. They both loved each other but he was meant for another girl, thus his parents had decided. Dating is utterly forbidden in Islam, marriages are arranged and often young people meet on their wedding day.

My sister was rebellious. She dated that young man. Every night she would go to see him. They even kissed and actually their relationship went too far. She got pregnant. At first they planned to run away to a big city where they would be safe. They knew in villages, religion rules and they could be in trouble. Authorities don't care what's going on in rural Turkey. Sometimes imams, mullahs and elders who try to practice Sharia and break the secular state law are punished but usually authorities are more interested in big cities full of tourists and turn a blind eye to what happens in villages. I remember their young faces. I didn't understand the whole situation; I was a little girl. But when I looked at them I could see they were happy. Their happiness made me happy too and I wanted to smile. Instead of eloping, they decided to speak to my father. "Pregnancy is a very good reason to get permission for marriage", or so they thought.

Alas, my sister had miscalculated my father's love for her and his obsession with his religion. He became furious. Instead of letting the two young lovers marry and build their nest of love, he took her to the religious elders and they ruled that she had committed adultery. She was sentenced to death by stoning. They showed no mercy even for her unborn child. She had stained the honour of the family and the only way to remove that stain was to nip her life in the bud. Her unborn baby was a stain too and that little creature had to be destroyed as well, so my family could live honorably. In the evening before her execution, she came to my room and told me that she would miss me. She was crying and hugged me to her bosom. Then she smiled and said that soon she would see her unborn baby. I was blissfully unaware of her fate, but I felt that something bad was about to happen. I was so scared.

I still remember her black eyes; she stared at the sky while she was dug into the ground. She was wrapped in white sheets and her hands were tide to her body. She was buried up to her waist. The rabid mob circled her with stones in their hands and started throwing them at her while the roars of "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" added to their frenzy. She twitched with pain as the stones hit her tender body and smashed her head. Blood gushed out from her face, cheeks, mouth, nose and eyes. All she could do was to bend to the left and to the right. Gradually the movements slowed down and finally she stopped moving even though the shower of the stones did not stop. Her head fell on her chest. Her bloodied face remained serene. All the pain had gone. The hysteric mob relented and the chant of "Allahu Akbar" stopped. Someone approached and with a big boulder in his hand smashed the skull of my sister to finish her off. There was no need for that; she was already dead. Her bright black eyes that beamed with life were shut. Her jovial laughter that filled the world around her was silenced. Her heart that beat with such a heavenly love for only a short time had stopped. Her unborn baby was not given a chance to breathe one breath of air. He (or she) accompanied his young mother in her solitary and cold tomb, or who knows, maybe to a better place where love reigns and pain and ignorance are not known. These two budding lives had to be nipped so my father could keep his honour.

Woman being prepared for stoning in Iran
She wanted to marry a man whom she loved. She dreamt of wearing a white wedding dress, that there would be a big ceremony, lots of people would be invited and they all would congratulate her, chant merry songs and throw flowers and confetti at her. Yes there was a ceremony, but it was not her wedding. She was dressed in white but that was not her wedding gown. Lots of people came to the party but they came to curse her and to throw stones at her. No music was played and no merry songs were sang; only screams of "Allahu Akbar" filled the air. The only hug she got was from the cold earth in which she was half buried. The only kisses that she received were from the rocks thrown at her, that tore her flesh and broke her bones. They were the kisses of death. She was not united with the man whom she loved but was wed to death. This was a tragedy for my sister's young lover. His life lost its meaning. He got lashes but nothing more. He could well forget about the whole affair and get along with his life, but he didn't. I recall seeing him standing in front of our house every day, as if waiting for my sister to come out and meet him. I could see him crying. I can only imagine that when he was not crying in front of our house he was in the cemetery, crying over the grave of his love and his baby. One day he could no more bear his pain and hanged himself.
His death was hushed and no one talked about it. Maybe no one cared. He was reunited with his love and his baby. No one can hurt them anymore. No one can separate them from one another again. It is a sad story. But unlike the story of Romeo and Juliet it is a story that is never told. No one talks about those young lovers. No one sheds tears for them. Not only they were buried, their memories were also buried as if they never existed - their tender love was a shame to others - a shame that had to be washed with blood. But the saddest part is that according to Islam my sister deserved that death. The elders were sure she would be burning in Hell for eternity. No, I can't imagine that God can send someone to Hell for loving and for being happy. I can't accept a cruel God.

Now back to my life. When I turned 18, I was married off to a Turkish businessman from Germany. When I came to Germany I found out that he had another wife. He is not a bad man at all. He is very kind, but he is a Muslim. He doesn't understand why Europeans don't like polygamy, for instance. He doesn't allow us to leave the home. He protects our honour in this strange way. Then we moved to the UK. Here we are even more isolated than in Germany because there are fewer Turks. In Germany we at least could meet our fellow expats. As for my relationship with my husband's first wife, we are friends. There is some rivalry between us, that's for sure. But I am alone and can't meet anyone or leave home. Her life is just as dull and empty as mine. We can't hate each other, we should be friends to overcome our troubles. My co-wife and I are like two cellmates. We only have each other. There is not much room for antagonism or hard feelings.
I have 5 children, she has 4. She occupies a more privileged position within our family because she has a son. I have given birth only to daughters so far. We are both educated, but she is so obsessed with kids that she has given herself up. I am still trying to grasp at non-existent straws; probably one day I will be freed. I read books, keep myself informed and like to think. She is not remotely interested in reading books or thinking. I am alone. Sometimes I think of running away, but I have 5 daughters. I can neither leave them, nor run away with them. Actually, I am stuck. Even though I left Islam a long time ago, I cannot stop praying or fasting. My husband keeps a rod for the disobedient When I try to protest, my mouth is shut up with quotes from the Qur'an. Islam defines our lives. Isn't it stupid that people live according to a book written a long time ago?
I am not whining about my life but I do hate Islam. At least I could object to certain traditions but Islam preserved the worst in our culture, reducing women into slavery and keeping them ignorant. What can you expect from an uneducated woman? When I look at my daughters, I pray that they may live in a free world, free from Islam and this slavery.
Ali Sina from FFI promised to defeat Islam very soon. Ali, please do it. I know sometimes you must feel like giving up. It seems to me you've devoted yourself fully to the good cause of yours. You may feel at times that you will never succeed. I just want to say that you are fighting for women like me. When you despair, think of me and millions of women with similar tragic experiences. Never give up. You are my knight in shining Armour. I just want you to know that I am your keen supporter.

dorox:
@EazyMoh: is it right to kill someone for blasphemy? If yes, tell me what you think of this young woman's story

Yes blasphemy in Islam carries death penalty, BUT the sentence can ONLY be passed by a competent Sharia court. Just like it says in the Bible “

Those who speak blasphemy "shall
surely be put to death." ( Leviticus
24:16) ”

A mob cannot gather and murder someone accused of blasphemy and get away with it. In such case they shall all be arrested and tried for murder just like what happen in Kano few weeks back. About seven suspects were arrested including the person whom the initial quarrel started.
I couldn't finish reading that epistle cause it looks fabricated to me. But one most important flaw in the story was that the woman was killed by stoning for "adultery", but according to your story she was never married, therefore their act is simply fornication which doesn't carry death penalty in Islam rather it's lashes. So if a whole community of overzealous Sharia proponents couldn't mete a precise punishment for an offense as common as fornication then you should know every other decision they made might be an error and not conform with Islam.
I hope you do know there is a very big difference between religion and tradition/culture. From the story I can see you were referring to a certain people's culture and not what is sanctioned by Islam regarding marriage and courtship. Of course premarital intimacy is strongly forbidden in Islam, the lovers are not even allowed to be in a secluded place just the two of them because the third is going to be Satan who can tempt them to sin against God by committing fornication.
Sharia has allowed that she can take off her Hijab in front of him during courtship so he can see her physical features so that he can decide whether he likes what he sees or not. This is to avoid disappointments after marriage.
The prophet cautioned and prohibits forced marriages in whatever form, those who do it are clearly violating the prophet's command.
I'd like to conclude with this Hadith

Abû Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace
be upon him) said: "If a suitor approaches
whose religion and character please you, then
let him marry. Otherwise, there will be a lot of
immorality and corruption in the world." [ Sunan
al-Tirmidhî (1084)

EazyMoh:
Yes blasphemy in Islam carries death penalty, BUT the sentence can ONLY be passed by a competent Sharia court. Just like it says in the Bible “
A mob cannot gather and murder someone accused of blasphemy and get away with it. In such case they shall all be arrested and tried for murder just like what happen in Kano few weeks back. About seven suspects were arrested including the person whom the initial quarrel started.
I couldn't finish reading that epistle cause it looks fabricated to me. But one most important flaw in the story was that the woman was killed by stoning for "adultery", but according to your story she was never married, therefore their act is simply fornication which doesn't carry death penalty in Islam rather it's lashes. So if a whole community of overzealous Sharia proponents couldn't mete a precise punishment for an offense as common as fornication then you should know every other decision they made might be an error and not conform with Islam.
I hope you do know there is a very big difference between religion and tradition/culture. From the story I can see you were referring to a certain people's culture and not what is sanctioned by Islam regarding marriage and courtship. Of course premarital intimacy is strongly forbidden in Islam, the lovers are not even allowed to be in a secluded place just the two of them because the third is going to be Satan who can tempt them to sin against God by committing fornication.
Sharia has allowed that she can take off her Hijab in front of him during courtship so he can see her physical features so that he can decide whether he likes what he sees or not. This is to avoid disappointments after marriage.
The prophet cautioned and prohibits forced marriages in whatever form, those who do it are clearly violating the prophet's command.
I'd like to conclude with this Hadith

interesting

hopefulLandlord:
interesting

Lol, surprising isn't it?
Islam if one truly seeks it's knowledge and follows it it's the most simplistic and happy natural way of life. It's unfortunate many can't seem to investigate true position of Islam on aspects of our daily lives.

EazyMoh:
Lol, surprising isn't it?
Islam if one truly seeks it's knowledge and follows it it's the most simplistic and happy natural way of life. It's unfortunate many can't seem to investigate true position of Islam on aspects of our daily lives.

annunaki2:

Say what's on your mind now.

EazyMoh:
Say what's on your mind now.

You were just being sarcastic, right?

EazyMoh:
Yes blasphemy in Islam carries death penalty, BUT the sentence can ONLY be passed by a competent Sharia court. Just like it says in the Bible “
A mob cannot gather and murder someone accused of blasphemy and get away with it. In such case they shall all be arrested and tried for murder just like what happen in Kano few weeks back. About seven suspects were arrested including the person whom the initial quarrel started.


I couldn't finish reading that epistle cause it looks fabricated to me. But one most important flaw in the story was that the woman was killed by stoning for "adultery", but according to your story she was never married, therefore their act is simply fornication which doesn't carry death penalty in Islam rather it's lashes. So if a whole community of overzealous Sharia proponents couldn't mete a precise punishment for an offense as common as fornication then you should know every other decision they made might be an error and not conform with Islam.
I hope you do know there is a very big difference between religion and tradition/culture. From the story I can see you were referring to a certain people's culture and not what is sanctioned by Islam regarding marriage and courtship. Of course premarital intimacy is strongly forbidden in Islam, the lovers are not even allowed to be in a secluded place just the two of them because the third is going to be Satan who can tempt them to sin against God by committing fornication.
Sharia has allowed that she can take off her Hijab in front of him during courtship so he can see her physical features so that he can decide whether he likes what he sees or not. This is to avoid disappointments after marriage.
The prophet cautioned and prohibits forced marriages in whatever form, those who do it are clearly violating the prophet's command.
I'd like to conclude with this Hadith

Lashes as punishment for fornication??

And you think you follow a sensible doctrine?

annunaki2:
You were just being sarcastic, right?

Nope!

JackBizzle:
Lashes as punishment for fornication??

And you think you follow a sensible doctrine?

Yeah, unlike those people who don't even know what's it's punishment, they just know it's a sin and then do it anyway... everyday.