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EazyMoh:
Yeah, unlike those people who don't even know what's it's punishment, they just know it's a sin and then do it anyway... everyday.

There is nothing like fornication. It is just sex.

EazyMoh:
Nope!

Then you must be sick, deluded and thoroughly brainwashed.

JackBizzle:
There is nothing like fornication. It is just sex.

Make sure you tell that all your children, and see how their lives will turn out.

annunaki2:
Then you must be sick, deluded and thoroughly brainwashed.

OK between me and you I the sick, deluded and brainwashed one be cured enlightened and emancipated.

EazyMoh:
Yeah, unlike those people who don't even know what's it's punishment, they just know it's a sin and then do it anyway... everyday.

So how will you classify mohammed's act and that of his companions of sleeping(raping) female slaves? Is that fornication as well or just casual sex What punishment would you recommend for mohammed and his boys for raping female slaves?

annunaki2:
So how will you classify mohammed's act and that of his companions of sleeping(raping) female slaves? Is that fornication as well or just casual sex What punishment would you recommend for mohammed and his boys for raping female slaves?

You shall first of all know the tremendous effort Islam made to minimize slavery. It's the only religion that has freeing of a slave as atornment of sin. Freeing slave was encouraged and admonished as one of the greatest righteous acts. Sometimes the prophet use to gift out slaves to his companions and then tell them to free them so they could get the reward.
At that time in history the best thing that could happen to you as a slave is belong to a Muslim! So to do justice to your question you have to look at life from that point in history. A time when slaves in the Christian world were used as entertainment in arenas where they fight to the dead, a freed Muslim slave was becoming a governor of a large Islamic empire.
To answer your questions, even at that time the Muslims couldn't have random sex with the slaves, they have to be rightly owned either by purchase or gift. Kind of like a contract in marriage. So its not casual sex it's recognized institution up until it's abolished.

EazyMoh:
You shall first of all know the tremendous effort Islam made to minimize slavery. It's the only religion that has freeing of a slave as atornment of sin. Freeing slave was encouraged and admonished as one of the greatest righteous acts. Sometimes the prophet use to gift out slaves to his companions and then tell them to free them so they could get the reward.
At that time in history the best thing that could happen to you as a slave is belong to a Muslim! So to do justice to your question you have to look at life from that point in history. A time when slaves in the Christian world were used as entertainment in arenas where they fight to the dead, a freed Muslim slave was becoming a governor of a large Islamic empire.
To answer your questions, even at that time the Muslims couldn't have random sex with the slaves, they have to be rightly owned either by purchase or gift. Kind of like a contract in marriage. So its not casual sex it's recognized institution up until it's abolished.

So how does all the rubbish and irrelevant lies you wrote here justify the raping of female slaves by mohammed and his cohorts

annunaki2:
So how does all the rubbish and irrelevant lies you wrote here justify the raping of female slaves by mohammed and his cohorts

OK I get it you are just a bitter Islamophobe, you can't even see the answer I gave, all you could see was LIES. If you don't believe in any point I raised, you can ask me and I'd give you evidence. BTW my I know whether you're an Atheist or a Christian?

EazyMoh:
OK I get it you are just a bitter Islamophobe, you can't even see the answer I gave, all you could see was LIES. If you don't believe in any point I raised, you can ask me and I'd give you evidence. BTW my I know whether you're an Atheist or a Christian?

Your answer was actually very nauseating and your statement that Islam did a lot to minimize slavery made me puke and rile with anger. For God's sake Islam institutionalised and encouraged slavery and till this day slavery is still being practised in some Islamic countries and territories and justified with your sharia laws.

annunaki2:
Your answer was actually very nauseating and your statement that Islam did a lot to minimize slavery made me puke and rile with anger. For God's sake Islam institutionalised and encouraged slavery and till this day slavery is still being practised in some Islamic countries and territories and justified with your sharia laws.

Well you can choose whatever you want to believe. But you know slavery predated Islam, so it was already an institution on its own before Islam. If anything Islam discouraged slavery and encouraged emancipation of slaves. That fact you can't deny.
Any individual, group or country that still practices slavery have no Islamic justification in doing so. And am not aware of any.

EazyMoh:
Well you can choose whatever you want to believe. But you know slavery predated Islam, so it was already an institution on its own before Islam. If anything Islam discouraged slavery and encouraged emancipation of slaves. That fact you can't deny.
Any individual, group or country that still practices slavery have no Islamic justification in doing so. And am not aware of any.

Your lies are getting too embarrassing. Mohammed, your perfect man, bought and sell slaves and he did not abolish slavery.

Mohammed bought safiya, who he killed her husband, kihnana (ibn ishaq pages 414 to 418) from Dhiya in exchange of seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol 3, hadith number 2272). He also slept with safiya after killing her parents in the battle of khaibar.

Mohammed also encouraged taking woman as war booty and sex slaves. Nothing ISIS is currently doing that Mohammed did not do. Nothing! It takes an irrational mind to defend the criminal acts of Mohammed. All his evil acts and instructions are written in black and white, both in the Qur'an and the hadith.

true2god:
Your lies are getting too embarrassing. Mohammed, your perfect man, bought and sell slaves and he did not abolish slavery.

Mohammed bought safiya, who he killed her husband, kihnana (ibn ishaq pages 414 to 418) from Dhiya in exchange of seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol 3, hadith number 2272). He also slept with safiya after killing her parents in the battle of khaibar.

Mohammed also encouraged taking woman as war booty and sex slaves. Nothing ISIS is currently doing that Mohammed did not do. Nothing! It takes an irrational mind to defend the criminal acts of Mohammed. All his evil acts and instructions are written in black and white, both in the Qur'an and the hadith.

Can you please bullet out my lies?

EazyMoh:
Well you can choose whatever you want to believe. But you know slavery predated Islam, so it was already an institution on its own before Islam. If anything Islam discouraged slavery and encouraged emancipation of slaves. That fact you can't deny.
Any individual, group or country that still practices slavery have no Islamic justification in doing so. And am not aware of any.

I challenge you to quote one single verse in the quoran that discouraged slavery or encouraged emancipation of slaves. Also explain to us why mohammed encouraged his companions to rape their slaves?

EazyMoh:
Can you please bullet out my lies?

Can you show me a single verse in the Quran that encouraged freeing slaves? Islam of Mohammed (not Islam of Nigeria or Yoruba Islam), was 100% involved in slave trade, even when the Europeans knew nothing about slave trade. As a matter of fact, the Europeans learnt the business of slave trade from Mohammed and the Arabs.

Even the ways slaves and war booty are to shared are well documented in the Quran. Mohammed was to receive 20% of all war booty, which include female sex slaves, according to the Qur'an. Mohammed spent the last 13 years of his life in fighting wars against non-muslims and taking their goods and property and war booty. This was how Mohammed new Islamic state was able to finance his govt and his expensive lifestyle.

After the death of khadijah, Mohammed's rich first wife, Mohammed had no any source of income. It was the ummah that sustained him because he had no job. When the ummah, especially the rich ones like Abu Bakr, could no longer sustain him, Mohammed had to receive revelation from allahh to declared war on the kafirs with the sole aim of looting their property and taking their women (Quran 8:1).

A good example is Mohammed's declaration of war against the rich Jewish tribe of khaibar (sahih Bukhari 1:8:367). Mohammed declared war solely for looting, stealing and taking sex slaves. Mohammed, at khaibar, arrested one of the Jews, named khinana, and asked him where he kept their gold and other valuables (ibn ishaq pages 414 to 418). Kihnana denied that he had no gold and when Mohammed discovered that he lied, he ordered him killed by his cousin (named Akhmed) and took the gold from kihnana.

Kihnana was engaged to safiya before Mohammed's khaibar invasion. After Mohammed's murder of Kihnana, he took safiya as his wife. But before that, it was one of the sahabas, named Dhiya, that saw the beauty of safiya and decided to take safiya for himself. But one of the more loyal friend of Mohammed reported the beauty of safiya to Mohammed (sahih Bukhari 1:8:367) hence the prophet of allahh decided to take safiya from Dhiya in exchange for seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol 3, hadith Number 2272).

Go back and study your religion and the sunnah of Mohammed. He is nothing but a thief and a criminal.

true2god:
Can you show me a single verse in the Quran that encouraged freeing slaves? Islam of Mohammed (not Islam of Nigeria or Yoruba Islam), was 100% involved in slave trade, even when the Europeans knew nothing about slave trade. As a matter of fact, the Europeans learnt the business of slave trade from Mohammed and the Arabs.

Even the ways slaves and war booty are to shared are well documented in the Quran. Mohammed was to receive 20% of all war booty, which include female sex slaves, according to the Qur'an. Mohammed spent the last 13 years of his life in fighting wars against non-muslims and taking their goods and property and war booty. This was how Mohammed new Islamic state was able to finance his govt and his expensive lifestyle.

After the death of khadijah, Mohammed's rich first wife, Mohammed had no any source of income. It was the ummah that sustained him because he had no job. When the ummah, especially the rich ones like Abu Bakr, could no longer sustain him, Mohammed had to receive revelation from allahh to declared war on the kafirs with the sole aim of looting their property and taking their women (Quran 8:1).

A good example is Mohammed's declaration of war against the rich Jewish tribe of khaibar (sahih Bukhari 1:8:367). Mohammed declared war solely for looting, stealing and taking sex slaves. Mohammed, at khaibar, arrested one of the Jews, named khinana, and asked him where he kept their gold and other valuables (ibn ishaq pages 414 to 418). Kihnana denied that he had no gold and when Mohammed discovered that he lied, he ordered him killed by his cousin (named Akhmed) and took the gold from kihnana.

Kihnana was engaged to safiya before Mohammed's khaibar invasion. After Mohammed's murder of Kihnana, he took safiya as his wife. But before that, it was one of the sahabas, named Dhiya, that saw the beauty of safiya and decided to take safiya for himself. But one of the more loyal friend of Mohammed reported the beauty of safiya to Mohammed (sahih Bukhari 1:8:367) hence the prophet of allahh decided to take safiya from Dhiya in exchange for seven slaves (sunnah ibn majjah vol 3, hadith Number 2272).

Go back and study your religion and the sunnah of Mohammed. He is nothing but a thief and a criminal.

Sunnah ibn majjah vol. 3, book 12, is all about business transactions in Islam. And among the business transactions Mohammed engaged was the buying of slaves, among which is safiya, whom Mohammed bought from Dhiya in exchange for seven slaves (in hadith number 2272).

The main reason he bought safiya was to take her as a sex slave. No sane woman will marry a man who killed her husband, father and brothers. Mohammed killed safiya's entire family and later 'married' her.

If you take this evil character as a prophet or a perfect man, you better change that perception. Mohammed was evil to the core.

annunaki2:
I challenge you to quote one single verse in the quoran that discouraged slavery or encouraged emancipation of slaves. Also explain to us why mohammed encouraged his companions to rape their slaves?

true2god:
Sunnah ibn majjah vol. 3, book 12, is all about business transactions in Islam. And among the business transactions Mohammed engaged was the buying of slaves, among which is safiya, whom Mohammed bought from Dhiya in exchange for seven slaves (in hadith number 2272).
The main reason he bought safiya was to take her as a sex slave. No sane woman will marry a man who killed her husband, father and brothers. Mohammed killed safiya's entire family and later 'married' her.
If you take this evil character as a prophet or a perfect man, you better change that perception. Mohammed was evil to the core.

Further reading https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Did we not show him the two paths? He should
choose the difficult path. Which one is the
difficult path? The freeing of slaves. Feeding,
during the time of hardship... [90:10-14]
Righteousness is not turning your faces
towards the east or the west. Righteous are
those who believe in God, the Last Day, the
angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and
they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives,
the orphans, the needy, the traveller, the
beggars, and to free the slaves... [2:177]
The Quran lists the penalty for various
misdemeanours as freeing of slaves, see 4:92,
5:89, 58:3. It also implies distribution of
community/collective charities would
contribute towards freeing of slaves:
The charities are to go to the poor, and the
needy, and those who work to collect them, and
those whose hearts have been united, and to
free the slaves, and those in debt, and in the
cause of God, and the traveller. A duty from
God, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise. [9:60]
The only method mentioned in The Quran for
gaining captives (more correctly termed
'prisoners of war', not slaves) is during warfare,
after which they must be released or ransomed.
Keeping them is not an option:
Therefore, if you encounter those who deny the
truth (in warfare), then bring about the captives
until when you have subdued/overcome them,
then strengthen the bind. Then after either
grace/favour or ransom, until the war lays
down its burdens. That, and had God willed,
surely He would have gained victory Himself
from them, but He tests some of you with
others. And those who get killed in the cause of
God, He will never let their deeds be put to
waste. [47:4]
Interestingly, in the above verse, it implies a
preference for taking captives rather than killing
the enemy in warfare.
As can clearly be seen, taking all of the above
verses of The Quran into account, it would lead
to a gradual reduction in slave numbers and
eventually abolish slavery.

It's astonishing the level of your hypocrisy that you scout the Qur'an for verses to quote to serve your purpose but couldn't do same to be sure that there aren't verses that encourage freeing slaves even for the sake of the debate. You go about quoting historical events that happen as a result of chain of events. Anyway you are free to think and believe what you like, that won't change the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and especially in the west. Against all odds.

Experts from Wikipedia

There are many common features between the
institution of slavery in the Quran and that of
neighboring cultures. However, the Quranic
institution had some unique new features. [20]
Bernard Lewis states that the Qur'anic
legislation brought two major changes to
ancient slavery which were to have far-reaching
effects: presumption of freedom, and the ban on
the enslavement of free persons except in
strictly defined circumstances. [33] According to
Brockopp, the idea of using alms for the
manumission of slaves appears to be unique to
the Quran, assuming the traditional
interpretation of verses [ Quran 2:177 ] and
[ Quran 9:60 ] . Similarly, the practice of freeing
slaves in atonement for certain sins appears to
be introduced by the Quran (but compare Exod
21:26-7). [20] The forced prostitution of female
slaves, a Near Eastern custom of great
antiquity, is condemned in the Quran. [22][41]
Murray Gordon notes that this ban is "of no
small significance." [42] Brockopp writes: "Other
cultures limit a master's right to harm a slave
but few exhort masters to treat their slaves
kindly, and the placement of slaves in the same
category as other weak members of society
who deserve protection is unknown outside the
Qur'an. The unique contribution of the Qur'an,
then, is to be found in its emphasis on the
place of slaves in society and society's
responsibility toward the slave, perhaps the
most progressive legislation on slavery in its
time." [20]

Bernard Lewis, FBA (born 31 May 1916) is a
British American historian specializing in
oriental studies . He is also known as a public
intellectual and political commentator . Lewis is
the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of
Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.
Lewis' expertise is in the history of Islam and
the interaction between Islam and the West. He
is also noted in academic circles for his works
on the history of the Ottoman Empire . These are commentaries on Slavery in Islam by renowned historians FROM NON-MUSLIM perspective who are diligent and unbiased to digest this particular. Then who are you two unknown who don't know anything to paint a gory image in your imaginations and arrogantly dish it out shamelessly. A word of advice, research on topics well before you make up an opinion, or worst post it on public domain.
cc true2god annunaki2

EazyMoh:
Experts from Wikipedia

Bernard Lewis, FBA (born 31 May 1916) is a
British American historian specializing in
oriental studies . He is also known as a public
intellectual and political commentator . Lewis is
the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of
Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.
Lewis' expertise is in the history of Islam and
the interaction between Islam and the West. He
is also noted in academic circles for his works
on the history of the Ottoman Empire . These are commentaries on Slavery in Islam by renowned historians FROM NON-MUSLIM perspective who are diligent and unbiased to digest this particular. Then who are you two unknown who don't know anything to paint a gory image in your imaginations and arrogantly dish it out shamelessly. A word of advice, research on topics well before you make up an opinion, or worst post it on public domain.
cc true2god annunaki2

Al taquiya nonsense written by Muslim apologists to window dress the horrible image of Islam. The fact remains that Islam condoned, encouraged and even institutionalised slavery in their so called holy books. Why enslave people in the first instance Why rape slaves like mohamed and his cohorts did

annunaki2:
Al taquiya nonsense written by Muslim apologists to window dress the horrible image of Islam. The fact remains that Islam condoned, encouraged and even institutionalised slavery in their so called holy books. Why enslave people in the first instance Why rape slaves like mohamed and his cohorts did

You see your life? You asked for verses that encouraged freeing slaves I gave you almost a dozen and you are here asking nonsense questions.
A renowned historian like Bernard Lewis' opinion is Altaqiyya to your deluded minds. Anyway I will leave to it. Believe what makes you happy, I have done my best in telling the truth.
I rest my case.

EazyMoh:
You see your life? You asked for verses that encouraged freeing slaves I gave you almost a dozen and you are here asking nonsense questions.
A renowned historian like Bernard Lewis' opinion is Altaqiyya to your deluded minds. Anyway I will leave to it. Believe what makes you happy, I have done my best in telling the truth.
I rest my case.

What you gave was the opinions of dodgy Muslim apologists and not a single verse from the quoran asking Muslims to free their slaves. The question remains, why enslave people in the first place? Why did islam's best example capture and trade in slaves? Why did Allah permit islam's best example and his cohorts to rape female slaves?

annunaki2:
What you gave was the opinions of dodgy Muslim apologists and not a single verse from the quoran asking Muslims to free their slaves. The question remains, why enslave people in the first place? Why did islam's best example capture and trade in slaves? Why did Allah permit islam's best example and his cohorts to rape female slaves?

Dude it was 650AD you can't order people to change over night. It takes time and it's done in stages which was what Islam encouraged as in the verses 2:177, 4:92, 5:89 etc all talked about freeing slaves can you honestly not see that?
Islam is the second best thing to happen towards abolishment of slavery until it finally happened few centuries ago. That's more 1000 years. What Islam could do it has done which was to look at slaves as human beings with basic human rights and encourage they be freed whenever it's feasible.
Am done talking to you, I have made more than enough points and my conscience is clear.
Am outta here.

EazyMoh:
Dude it was 650AD you can't order people to change over night. It takes time and it's done in stages which was what Islam encouraged as in the verses 2:177, 4:92, 5:89 etc all talked about freeing slaves can you honestly not see that?
Islam is the second best thing to happen towards abolishment of slavery until it finally happened few centuries ago. That's more 1000 years. What Islam could do it has done which was to look at slaves as human beings with basic human rights and encourage they be freed whenever it's feasible.
Am done talking to you, I have made more than enough points and my conscience is clear.
Am outta here.

Stop talking rubbish, Arab muslims were the last to stop slave trade and so hard core muslims(isis & boko haram) in keeping with the sunnah of your fake prophet still enslave people till this very day. When western Christians championed and saw to the abolishment of slave trade globally your Arab Muslim lords were still enslaving abeeds like you.

annunaki2:
Stop talking rubbish, Arab muslims were the last to stop slave trade and so hard core muslims(isis & boko haram) in keeping with the sunnah of your fake prophet still enslave people till this very day. When western Christians championed and saw to the abolishment of slave trade globally your Arab Muslim lords were still enslaving abeeds like you.

It's obvious those Muslims that held on to slavery were doing it out of their selfish reasons not what Islam encouraged, just like the Christian west championed the abolishing for their strategic economic gain not really out of compassion.

EazyMoh:
Dude it was 650AD you can't order people to change over night.

He couldn't order people to stop slave trade over night but he could order people to forcefully change their religion over night Don't you feel stoopid when you come up with all this daft excuses to defend Islam?

EazyMoh:
It's obvious those Muslims that held on to slavery were doing it out of their selfish reasons not what Islam encouraged, just like the Christian west championed the abolishing for their strategic economic gain not really out of compassion.

Stop talking rubbish, islam's perfect example was a slave owner, trader and rapist. We know that good muslims are encouraged the emulate the sunnah of mohammed and that is why we still find muslims till this day engaging in slave trade and raping of sex slaves. The predicament of the chibok girls today was justified by boko haram as it's in line with the evil prophet's sunnah.

annunaki2:
He couldn't order people to stop slave trade over night but he could order people to forcefully change their religion over night Don't you feel stoopid when you come up with all this daft excuses to defend Islam?

Lol again that's your myopic view that even sees western historians as "dodgy Muslim apologists" It's a waste of time debating you because you don't agree with facts. Fact as obvious as verses that discouraged slavery. So I wouldn't delve into the issue of conversions to Islam. I told you times without number that because you hold such horrible Islamophobic view devoid of facts and sincerity doesn't stop other people from the west in particular from discovering the amazing virtues enshrined in Islam, which makes them convert in drove. It's up to you to chose what you do with your life.
This conversation is over.

You can renounce Islam when you aren't required to live exclusively amongst Muslims but try and renounce Islam when you live in a majority Muslim nation, state or town and see what happens.

annunaki2:
Stop talking rubbish, Arab muslims were the last to stop slave trade and so hard core muslims(isis & boko haram) in keeping with the sunnah of your fake prophet still enslave people till this very day. When western Christians championed and saw to the abolishment of slave trade globally your Arab Muslim lords were still enslaving abeeds like you.

They haven't even stopped. They still do it Mauritania.

The Sudanese "Arabs"/Muslims were still engaging in slave trading 11 years ago, according to Human Rights Watch.

Saudi Arabia only abolished slavery in 1962.

plappville:
She is not a waste. Leaving Islam is getting cured of Cancer. She is free from beeen brainwashed.

I guess christianity doesn't brainwash people. Patiently waiting for your response

annunaki2:
It always gives me so much joy when I read about people abandoning islam.

Unfortunately, many are leaving christianity for atheism and Islam is currently gaining more followers than any other religion on earth. Its a research

APCsupporter:
I guess christianity doesn't brainwash people. Patiently waiting for your response

Lol

mmsen:
You can renounce Islam when you aren't required to live exclusively amongst Muslims but try and renounce Islam when you live in a majority Muslim nation, state or town and see what happens.

Na kill them go kill am o

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