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frank317:
Shiiiit happens and mistakes can be made but trust me, the signs are always there, never said any human is hundred percent right. I don't blame the lady for thinking the woman is her mother if the woman gave her all the care,

frank317:
but trust me, there are times she could have wondered of this was her real mother.

frank317:
Well, going by ur statement... Do u think there is a possibility that ur mum is not ur mum?

frank317:
And who is talking about changing the existence of God? Was that the reason why I put up the argument?

frank317:
Have u forgotten that i care less if God exists or not?

frank317:
If the killings and segregations does not signify confusion to u then u are deliberately being dishonest. Let me ask u, do u think worshippers of Allah (which u have accepted to be ur God)

frank317:
will make heaven? Remember, they don't believe Jesus is the son of God. Do u think Mohammed is a real messenger of God? Don't you think boko haram who claim to kill for ur God (Allah) are confused? I need honest answers to these questions.

frank317:
The Bible is just a story of Jewish belief and historical events...

frank317:
Do u think Koran is from God?

felixomor:
At all
I would never blame her, it could have been you too.
You would have also done same, if u were in her shoes.

Thats why I keep telling u to Stop trying to make urself look like a detective who doesn't believe in at least something.

Thats why If somebody comes today and she says she is your mother and takes u to court, the only way to disprove her is by a DNA test.
All other "signs" u keep saying are just hogwash and will be swept aside by the court,
You yourself cant even stand as witness.

So you can see that every human being believes in something.
Even your grandparents and ur hometown to u is a belief.
Its who ur parents told u were ur grandparents that u accepted even if u later tried to study about them.
U never even doubted them in the first place sef.

In honesty even normal children think such of their real parents when they go hungry or receive beating.
There is nothing unusual, emotions swing while growing up.
Such an emotion swing doesn't change the faact on ground.

Even as a medic and scientist, I did mathematics so I will say there is a probabiblity.
But the probability is near zero.
Weighing the evidences I have.
But I have never attempted A DNA test.

I guess that answers u.

Ah bros, please scroll up and look at your first three posts on this thread.
Its like u forget to read ur earlier posts.
I dont like scrolling up to dig the past o

He he, you don't know ur mum is ur mum? U just believe? Lol.
The only reason u think ur mum is ur mum is because she told u? That's all? This is ridiculous. Lol, no wonder religion is confusing with people jumping from one church to another.so if another woman comes and tell u she is ur mother u will also believe and the confusion starts. Young man there is so many reason to know ur mum is ur mum, If u think it's only because she told u, u are on a long thing and I cannot help u.
Of course that's how u believe the word of God... See ur life.

Your first and earlier posts on this thread tells us otherwise.

After, u will say I misquote u, Meanwhile its ur job.

I may understand arabic, but where exactly did I say its my first language?

Meanwhile,
Allah is simply " God " in Arabic . Even Arabic Christians call Him so.

Moreover sometimes I call God "Chineke" and "Oluwa" in songs sometimes, I still call him God

That doesnt stop me from fellowshipping with Arabic Christians when i find myself with them.

Fallacy of illogical conclusion,
Topic is about to be changed.

Moreover, that there is confusion over my personality doesnt invalidate my existence. So also can be said about God.
And its like you have accepted that God exists?

Please answer

Wrong
The Bible is a compilation of the Word of God compiled from different inspired authors over different milleniums yet corresponded,
It has and will continue to be studied because its prophecies and chronological brilliance continues to even wow the most elite of professors and historians.

I am not a muslim.
Go and ask one.
Moreover, thats not what started the conversation.

frank317:
If anybody comes now and tell me she is my mother, I will know she is lying, because unlike u, I am hundred percent sure she is my mum. I have siblings, aunties and uncles and the family resemblance is glaring.
I have no reason to think otherwise unlike ur story up there. Trust me, when a came to tell her she is her mum, she reflected back at a lot of things, not just her mother's statement, and thought of the possibility.
I don't believe in imaginery beings, I don't know how u are capable of believing in an imaginary creator, I am not capable of doing that.

frank317:
This is not what I am talking about... Majority of humans, even animals, know their mother... And when the woman is not actually their mother, there is always a seed of doubt, not just emotional swing. Some even go as far as confronting their parents.

frank317:
Nice answer... So you think the only reason why the probability is near zero is simply because of ur mother's statement that she ur mother? No other factor makes you this confident that she is ur mum?

felixomor:
Even as a medic and scientist, I did mathematics so I will say there is a probabiblity.
But the probability is near zero.
Weighing the evidences I have.
But I have never attempted A DNA test.

frank317:
Story being dishonest... Look at my statement that brought about this line of argument

frank317:
It wasn't about changing any existence of any nonsense God.

frank317:
I don't care about the existence of any God, whatever u think is ur business. I am only here to have fun and prove u wrong. even if he exists, its useless to human existence.

frank317:
What's this? You claimed that Allah and Yahweh are the same and even said u Christians after call him so. This is ur statement below

frank317:
So how is he no longer ur God because Arabic is not ur language. What has language even got to do with this? Or is Yahweh different from God?

frank317:
How and why did u now say I misquoted u? Why will u not fellowship with arabic Muslims since u have accepted that u worship the same God. This is the confusion I am talking about.

frank317:
No topic change in anyway... I am trying to prove a point and show u how confused u lots are

frank317:
Answer the question. Since u have accepted that u and Muslims worship the same God. Do u think they will go to heaven despite not believing Jesus is the son of God? Do u thin ur God [Allah/ Yaweh] will still punish them for worshiping him?

frank317:
I don't believe any God exists until I see a convincing prove. For now he does not exist.

frank317:
Lol @ inspired. Lies.

frank317:
Are u no longer worshiping the same God? Ask ur God na. I am only trying to show u how confused u are. The only reason u believe ur mum is ur mum is becasue she just told u. No wonder u theists are easily confused with their believe, killing and segregating each other just because their believe in God is based on hearsays. Then they jump from one church to anotger and from one religion to another, Yet u claim to worship the same God. What kind of confusion is this?

felixomor:
I can see u clearly dodged the part on hometown and grandparents part because u know Your argument will fall there.

Ask anybody with good knowledge of logic.
You are wrong on the 100 percent claim.
If u like argue from now till tomorrow.
U can only be 100 percent of what u witnessed.

And u never witnessed your own birth.
That is a high order fallacy

If you try to use resemblance to argue in a court, I am sorry for u.
Only a DNA test settles the matter.
Otherwise, u will argue for eternity (I clearly see u didnt talk about DNA, because it will fall ur argument)

And even if u let go of the argument, how do u know ur grandparents?

How do u know ur hometown?

Abi u also saw resemblance in ur hometown?



Please can u bring evidence or reference for your "always seed of doubt".

I am tired of ur numerous claims without backup.

Because and afterall, u never experienced it.

Clearly u didnt read where I said " (bolded)



So why are u changing my statement and closing your eyes to "weighing the evidences"?
You can see u r not honest?

Sorry u said



U have forgotten u diagnosed christians with "mental disorder"?



Prove me wrong that what? (Expose yourself now )
And Sorry u are wrong again on the issue of God on the human existence.
U have not even produced a single research to prove that point?

U certainly dont know that, sorry. Try to be scientific a little. It helps.

You that cant even explain what happens when you are asleep?
Abeg, Stop the fallacies. K

That statement only explained God and his names, how did "my God" enter from where.

Guy, get some basic logic lessons. It helps.
To be honest, u r not logical at all.
I am sorry to say.




My statement only explained what people call God, because u tried to spin confusion which u r still trying to spin right now because of the stubbornness of your heart, in trying to create a reason to deny the obvious?.

Trying to create seperate identities by difference in languages.
Sorry that wont work here,
.



So a statement on interpreting Arabic = claim that we serve same God ?

Even if its the same God, your way of drawing up conclusions is whack.

U keep arriving at illogical conclusions.

Why?

Sorry, many of them believe Jesus is the son of God. They attend underground churches and God sees their faith.

You sit in ur sitting room and make illogical conclusions too much.
Repent.
Again, Repent!

convincing Proof (not prove ) like what

Can you tell us how you know they are lies?

Remember only fools make claim without logical references and backup

The ones most confused on this earth are atheists.
They spend eternity denying the obvious and fighting who they call "non-existent" just like u r doing now
Trust me, ask anybody

And they are also the ones who kill the most
Just google the statistics
All Religion has not even killed one tenth of what atheists have killed in the last hundred years alone

So you have no point there.
i hope u r not an atheist?

felixomor:
In other words, u sometimes say things u dont believe abi?

adoyi8:
at some point its not a matter of belief or no belief, it's just like a culture, a tradition

Anas09:
Oh pls Harsmirror was never a Pastor. All the questions posted to him, he jumped them all.

I personally asked him to post here his Testimony of conversion. Everyone who was living in sin must have a remarkable encounter that brings about the decision to turn around from sin to follow Jesus. What was his? He dodged it.

I can pose as anybody and present another well known indiciduals experiences as mine, it won't make me that person. It's wen we start question and anawers we get to know if the answers align with our stories.

I have a testimony of conversion, every real believer has. Being in Church is not the same thing as being in Christ.

WORDWORLD:
YOU BLATANT LIAR WITHOUT AN ATOM OF SHAME ACCUSSING SOMEBODY ELSE OF BEING A LIAR. WHERE IS THE PROVE I ASKED YOU TO SHOW TO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD THAT I EVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND WHICH I DECLARED MYSELY AN ATHEIST.

YOU ARE SO REMOTE FROM THE CONCEPTION OF THE REALITIES IN OUR WORLD THAT YOU CAN OF ALL PEOPLE CALL SOMEONE A LIAR.

"ITS TOO BAD THAT STUPIDITY IS NOT PAINFUL.

BLATANT LIAR.

HARDMIRROR HAS OPEN A THREAD, INSTEAD OF COMING UP WITH SENSIBLE COUNTERS YOU ALL COME HERE WITH YOUR LAZY FLIM FLAM INTELLECTUALISM. WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THE BRAIN IN YOUR SKULLS. IS IT FOR GREASING YOUR SKULLS? OR LIKE A CREAM FOR GARNISHING VEGETABLES CALLED SALAD CREAM.


ABEG BLATANT LIAR GO SIT DOWN ONE PLACE.

Pidggin:
Is there no hope for your soul? You've got nothing to loose if you accept Christ as your Savior. It's a win win

Anas09:
And am suppose to stoop and respond to you right? No, sorry, my attention is not that cheap. Now look down there you'd see a group of lowlives, you'd mix up just fine there. Now move.

WORDWORLD:
WHERE IS THE PROVE I ASKED YOU TO SHOW TO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD THAT I EVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND WHICH I DECLARED MYSELY AN ATHEIST.

ColdHardTruth:
nah, you don't need to reply him with insults, just answer the below



this is his basis of calling you a liar

Anas09:
You seem to believe a Muslim. I dont ve his time.

ColdHardTruth:
on the contrary, I don't believe anyone or disbelieve anyone based on his/her religious affiliation

I just like filtering the insults out of conversations while getting messages the other person is trying to pass

frank317:
I never brought it up because it was irrelevant and shallow.
Asking me how I know my mother, my father and my village is stooopidity. You are trying to compare my knowledge of people around me that I can see and experience with an assumed imaginary creator who no man has ever seen. Even if I am wrong about my parents it makes more sense than assuming an imaginary being created the world and he loves me so much and he is happy with me when I worship it and he will burn humans in hell one day and he is a mansion builder in an imaginary heaven.
U re just shallow minded. I know my hometown, I am accepted there, I have rights there and it is not imaginery, even if I am eventually wrong about it.
Sometime I wonder if u even go school. How did the statement 'weighing the evidences' change anything. You said the reason why I think ur mum is ur mum is just because she told u. And even went ahead to ask me how I go to know my mum is my mum. Doesnt the question mean that there no other evidence except her statement.
You are the one asserting above that there is no way I can be sure that my home town is my home town and that my parents are mine. You think it's all an assumption just the way u assume a creator. Isn't that ur argument? Are u now shootingg urself in the leg with 'weighing evidences' even though I tried helping u by ignoring it?
So u now think there are EVIDENCES to why u think ur mum is ur mum and not only because she just told u? So why argue in the first place when I say there are other way to know my mum is my mum except her statement?
Now that I brought it up, can u tell me what others 'weighing evidences' u have.
Prove u wrong that your God is real. See u, u are now asking me of evidence of the nonexistent of ur God. If that is ur mission, u failed. Ur God does not exist, if he does u wouldn't be here talking trash trying to prove him. U would just provide hard evidence of his existence, simple.
Oga, ur God is in ur head and u know it. Leave sleep for the matter, it does not help ur case. Ur God is imaginery and u know it.
Seriously u are dumb.
If u have a house and the name is ulo in igbo, so because the name is gida in hausa, it is no longer ur house as long as they call it gida?
You have accepted that Yaweh is Allah, how are u now arguing that Allah is not ur God. Are u sick? Look at how u are trying to dodge my question.
You have helped me to explain his name's now u confuse me by saying this same God in other names is not ur God. Why are u then trying to convince me that u are all serving the same God? Are u alright?
Now he is spewing trash.
Who are u telling this nonsense. Repent from what? U are not even sure of the existence of ur God. Where is ur God right now? How is he? First show me him to me instead of talking like a mad man.
English master.
Bring whatever proof u have.
Now he is calling himself a fool. What are the backup of all the claims u made. I called them lies because u have no backup, thanks for this.
Blah blah blah... Oga, your God us imaginery. He is only in ur head. U guys claim there is a creator yet every sect think every other sect is wrong about it. Show me ur creator and I will take u seriously.

HardMirror:
You wish
Look at them. You guys are so insecure. No matter how much you wish, you can't change my past. I was a pastor and I am now an atheist. I see it hurts u christians so much

felixomor:
I can see u clearly dodged the part on hometown and grandparents part because u know Your argument will fall there.

Ask anybody with good knowledge of logic.
You are wrong on the 100 percent claim.
If u like argue from now till tomorrow.
U can only be 100 percent of what u witnessed.

And u never witnessed your own birth.
That is a high order fallacy

If you try to use resemblance to argue in a court, I am sorry for u.
Only a DNA test settles the matter.
Otherwise, u will argue for eternity (I clearly see u didnt talk about DNA, because it will fall ur argument)

And even if u let go of the argument, how do u know ur grandparents?

How do u know ur hometown?

Abi u also saw resemblance in ur hometown?



Please can u bring evidence or reference for your "always seed of doubt".

I am tired of ur numerous claims without backup.

Because and afterall, u never experienced it.




Clearly u didnt read where I said " (bolded)



So why are u changing my statement and closing your eyes to "weighing the evidences"?
You can see u r not honest?



Sorry u said



U have forgotten u diagnosed christians with "mental disorder"?



Prove me wrong that what? (Expose yourself now )
And Sorry u are wrong again on the issue of God on the human existence.
U have not even produced a single research to prove that point?

U certainly dont know that, sorry. Try to be scientific a little. It helps.

You that cant even explain what happens when you are asleep?
Abeg, Stop the fallacies.




That statement only explained God and his names, how did "my God" enter from where.

Guy, get some basic logic lessons. It helps.
To be honest, u r not logical at all.
I am sorry to say.




My statement only explained what people call God, because u tried to spin confusion which u r still trying to spin right now because of the stubbornness of your heart, in trying to create a reason to deny the obvious?.

Trying to create seperate identities by difference in languages.
Sorry that wont work here,
.



So a statement on interpreting Arabic = claim that we serve same God ?

Even if its the same God, your way of drawing up conclusions is whack.

U keep arriving at illogical conclusions.

Why?






Confused about what actually?

Redefine the topic.




Sorry, many of them believe Jesus is the son of God. They attend underground churches and God sees their faith.

You sit in ur sitting room and make illogical conclusions too much.
Repent.
Again, Repent!



convincing Proof (not prove ) like what






Can you tell us how you know they are lies?

Remember only fools make claim without logical references and backup




The ones most confused on this earth are atheists.
They spend eternity denying the obvious and fighting who they call "non-existent" just like u r doing now
Trust me, ask anybody

And they are also the ones who kill the most
Just google the statistics
All Religion has not even killed one tenth of what atheists have killed in the last hundred years alone

So you have no point there.
i hope u r not an atheist?

HardMirror:
I never knew there where bold atheists in Nigeria and I kept pretending to be a Christian until one day I accidently opened the religion section of nairaland and saw this thread www.nairaland.com/1981089/atheist-comedy-videos.

When I saw peoples comments and how bold the atheists were, I threw my garment of pretense away and boldly told my family and friends I was no longer a christian.

Darkmatter2525 really helped me to be outspoken as an atheist. Before then I was just a pretender.

HardMirror:
I never knew there where bold atheists in Nigeria and I kept pretending to be a Christian until one day I accidently opened the religion section of nairaland and saw this thread www.nairaland.com/1981089/atheist-comedy-videos.

When I saw peoples comments and how bold the atheists were, I threw my garment of pretense away and boldly told my family and friends I was no longer a christian.

Darkmatter2525 really helped me to be outspoken as an atheist. Before then I was just a pretender.

CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THESE STORIES?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfl4ZaiucpQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXNLAFAg_I

HardMirror:
wld get back to you on this

rhektor:
HardMirror you again?

CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THESE STORIES?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfl4ZaiucpQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXNLAFAg_I

HardMirror:
This is not my first encounter with these videos, ideology and theory. There seems to be a lot of sense in it, if we believe there are extraterrestrials. But the stories dont really add up. The 'evidences' presented are not strong enough to arrive at the conclusions reached.