₦airaland Forum

ElsonMorali:
I mentioned easterners in his government and not the entire region didn't I?

The lady I quoted was the one who brought up the issue of Easterner and Westerner.

It is a matter of fact that the women closest to Jonathan's government helped him ruin his government. whether it is a coincidence that most of them were easterners is discussion for another day.

As to how many of the easterners have been jailed? You know the saying, the wheels of justice grinds slowly but surely. I just hope that when they are jailed you won't be the first to cry witch-hunt.

And to the recession you mentioned, I guess we'll have to keep reminding you guys that your hero was the one that put us in this mess. You really shouldn't be gloating when someone else is trying to clean up your mess should you?

The players are still on the field in first half you're wondering why they haven't won the match yet ?

My friend. just shut up...

ElsonMorali:
I mentioned easterners in his government and not the entire region didn't I?

The lady I quoted was the one who brought up the issue of Easterner and Westerner.

It is a matter of fact that the women closest to Jonathan's government helped him ruin his government. whether it is a coincidence that most of them were easterners is discussion for another day.

As to how many of the easterners have been jailed? You know the saying, the wheels of justice grinds slowly but surely. I just hope that when they are jailed you won't be the first to cry witch-hunt.

And to the recession you mentioned, I guess we'll have to keep reminding you guys that your hero was the one that put us in this mess. You really shouldn't be gloating when someone else is trying to clean up your mess should you?

The players are still on the field in first half you're wondering why they haven't won the match yet ?

You've not made a valid point my friend..

ificatchmodeh:
You've not made a valid point my friend..

I'm sure I have.

ificatchmodeh:
You've not made a valid point my friend..

Neither have you my dear.

ElsonMorali:
Neither have you my dear.

Enjoy

ificatchmodeh:
You've not made a valid point my friend..

I'm sure I have. You just can't see it yet, trust me.

ificatchmodeh:
Enjoy

Sorry for quoting you multiple times my network's screwed. Have a great evening.

ElsonMorali:
Sorry for quoting you multiple times my network's screwed. Have a great evening.

You too.

MadamExcellency:
What an unrepentant fellow still repeating the propaganda that brought us into deep shit.

The only sin of Jonathan against the West was putting the Easterners in the positions of authority even without marginalizing or neglecting Yoruba Sons and Daughters.

The grave injustice that happened during Jonathan administration against the Southwest was orchestrated by Tinubu in denying one of their own the Speakership of the HOR.

So, stop vomiting trash.

Lol, I tire for yoruba people, they just wish for a situation whereby igbos are totally out of the equation for them to have their way instead of competing to be the best for the job.

ElsonMorali:
The easterners he put in power were his undoing. They helped him fail even though we know the man didn't have an iota of leadership running in his vain. Just a complete buffoon he was and his eastern ladies took advantage of that.

They used the opportunity to milk the nation dry. So sad.

we can see how the westerners are helping buhari succeed. This is how you all run down all national assets you fraudulently took over when easterners returned home during the war

ElsonMorali:
I'm actually writing a book concerning old Oyo empire and yes I've done extensive research. Of course there are abuses of the institution as there'll always be in any human institution, yet I think there are good aspects of our respective culture that can come to play in our socio-politico life in Nigeria.

Democracy isn't for everybody. The Arab countries seem to be doing well, and most of them are oil producing like Nigeria. They aren't practising democracy. Same with China and some other countries in the orients.

Even our colonial masters practise a form of democracy that's quite different from that of America.

A total overhaul of the Nigerian political structure is what's needed right now. Let's evolve our own. Who knows maybe ours would be the standard for the world in the future.

Can you imagine people are still stealing ballot boxes in this day and age.

As long as we continue this democracy stuff Nigeria won't make much progress.

My opinion though.

The problem is not democracy. The problem is good people sitting in the gallery while the bad guys are having a field day.Good people are not in politics. That is the problem.

basilo101:
we can see how the westerners are helping buhari succeed. This is how you all run down all national assets you fraudulently took over when easterners returned home during the war

Stop misinforming the public.Buhari and southwesterners did not run down the economy.They did not bring down oil prices nor empty the treasury.They did not owe government contractors hundreds of billions of naira they are now paying out of our already depleted treasury.Jonathan laid the foundation for what we are going through now.Stop trying to indirectly shield Jonathan from blame because you are feeling guilty for supporting his irresponsibility and callousness and rascality when he was in power.

The people at the helm are working assiduously to prevent the economy from collapsing, and there are signs that we are in the right direction and we will be out of the woods very soon.

rlauncher:
I am not myopic like you claim. This is Nigeria where power must rotate between north and south.Southerners have ruled Nigeria for the most part since the return of democracy in 1999 with nothing to show for it.You cannot go on imagining that only southerners will continue to rule Nigeria under democracy. You and I know that northerners will have their own turn, and that is what is going on right now.

We southerners wasted the chance to restructure this country when we have the opportunity. We must lean to accept the fact that northerners too have the right to rule under democracy and stop feeling inferior to them.

Our focus now should be what we can do under the circumstances we find ourselves to help develop our respective states. I am from Ogun state. In Ogun state today, lots and lots of its indigenes are going into agriculture, mining and manufacturing. We don't waste our precious time complaining that a northerner is in power. We focus on what matter the most- developing our state even when we know that the FG will collect the main taxes. Many other people that I know are also planning to go into productive ventures soon. This is what matters.


Many governors and their people don't want to develop their mineral resources because they are afraid that the FG will collect the main taxes. But we need to learn from the example of Lagos. Even though the FG cart away more than N300billion from Lagos annually, it is still able to generate another N300billion for itself.


In some years to come, you will find out that it is not who produce the president that really matter, but what you do with your state economically. Economic power is better than political power in poverty.

Wordiiiii

Twistaray:
Wordiiiii

Another myopic individual. what is 'word' about it.
justifying yorubas' foolishness by claiming that 'its the north's time to rule' and 'power must rotate between north and south'. Jonathan was eligible for second tenure, so it wasn't the turn of north. Yorubas will give all sorts of excuses for their gross naivety and one illetrate will write 'word'. smh.

Realman87:
Another myopic individual. what is 'word' about it.
justifying yorubas' foolishness by claiming that 'its the north's time to rule' and 'power must rotate between north and south'. Jonathan was eligible for second tenure, so it wasn't the turn of north. Yorubas will give all sorts of excuses for their gross naivety and one illetrate will write 'word'. smh.

Why are you pained,whats your problem?

You don't want to tread that route with me.
I am entitle and you are entitle to your opinion.
Now, are you done with you anger, frustration...?now..go and hang yourself abeg..

Yoruba have boxed themselves into a corner and are about to enter the wall which is just a matter of time.

The states that have not mined an ounce of any mineral resources are already in line for 13% derivatives when Lagos hasn't collected a dime from the port, and Ogun isn't asking anything from what the Fg is collecting from the companies all over the state. I guess they are waiting for someone to come tell them that these are their own contributions to Nigeria.

Back to the issue, I expect Yoruba to sell Tinubu, the only Yoruba leader that loves his people and makes sure we stand tall in the scheme of things in a country where every other tribe protects even the worse of their own. Tinubu is the only reason Yoruba nation is still relevant today, making sure he put Yoruba up as the Vp, the AFENIFERE prefer Yoruba to follow others like Gej who has no respect for Yoruba and didn't think we deserve any key appointment in his govt after receiving 85% of our voters.

And yes, there's no need for another party right now. Tinubu should stay where he is and work against those he should knowing what he knows now and towards holding Yoruba up there. That's politics!

basilo101:
we can see how the westerners are helping buhari succeed. This is how you all run down all national assets you fraudulently took over when easterners returned home during the war

You really aren't known for bright contributions on this forum. Read your statement again and tell me what you think is wrong with.

You may want to start with how Babatunde Raji Fashola is doing well in the power sector.

After that, you may want to highlight how the VP is playing a more visible role than the spare tire role Sambo played in the last government.

Then maybe you can divert to how madam Kemi is working hard to end the recession brought upon us by the last administration whose bank accounts are bursting to the brim with stolen dollars that could have saved us from recession in the first place.


But then why bother, maybe you are being paid to launder their images here, who knows.

If not then whenever you are at home soaking garri with ground nut, remember that those you come to defend here are busy eating fried chicken with money stolen from you.

ycat:
Yoruba have boxed themselves into a corner and are about to enter the wall which is just a matter of time.

The states that have not mined an ounce of any mineral resources are already in line for 13% derivatives when Lagos hasn't collected a dime from the port, and Ogun isn't asking anything from what the Fg is collecting from the companies all over the state. I guess they are waiting for someone to come tell them that these are their own contributions to Nigeria.

Back to the issue, I expect Yoruba to sell Tinubu, the only Yoruba leader that loves his people and makes sure we stand tall in the scheme of things in a country where every other tribe protects even the worse of their own. Tinubu is the only reason Yoruba nation is still relevant today, making sure he put Yoruba up as the Vp, the AFENIFERE prefer Yoruba to follow others like Gej who has no respect for Yoruba and didn't think we deserve any key appointment in his govt after receiving 85% of our voters.

Typical myopic and totally false contribution from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Tinubu loves his people? Yeah right. I laugh in pidgin. A politician that actually loves his people, haha. Maybe you weren't aware that the guy wanted the VP slot for himself before he reluctantly put Osinbajo. It is your tribe that protects their own worst. That is why this country is like this.

You queue up behind those alleged to have stolen the mandate of the people as well as their Commonwealth. You support vagabonds in power just because they are from your area.

Then you go back home and sleep with an empty stomach because those you're defending have impoverished you.

Saying that Tinubu is the only reason Yoruba people are relevant is actually an insult to the whole Yoruba ethnic race. That's why I'm convinced that maybe you're kind of high on cheap crack.

The only politician that has demonstrated unusual and unadulterated love for his people and for others is Awolowo. Good rest his soul. Others are just here to amass wealth and strut around like a god father.

In case you don't know, Bola Ahmed Tinubu's first loyalty is to himsel, then his party the APC. Not to Yoruba and definitely not to Nigeria.

rlauncher:
The problem is not democracy. The problem is good people sitting in the gallery while the bad guys are having a field day.Good people are not in politics. That is the problem.

Probably so. I concede that point to you. But do you know why good people can never get to position of power in this country? Because we the people will not allow them to.

We are our own worst enemy. It isn't just a simple case of putting good people there.

Even our own system is designed to make the best leader fail miserably.

We sincerely need a change.

Classic sellout coward, you can keep drinking from the same keg of hate you have for Tinubu, but the fact remains he's the only Yoruba leader that actually plays politics to favor Yoruba.

Confused robot, who stole your mandate? And do you even know what that means? Opening your mouth to say trash just makes you more stupidd than you appear to be.

Go get you a job, there's always something to do if you have both hands or you will continue to sleep with empty stomach. Stolen money is gone forever and the time has come to separate men from boys and productive individuals from lazy ass always looking for handouts.

Tinubu is the only Yoruba man alive doing everything to push Yoruba land forward, and y'all can keep saying what you want.

There was no evidence whatsoever that Tinubu wanted to be Vp and there was nothing that ruled him out of being a vp in our constitution.

You unproductive robots will continue to stay in your rabbit hole while Tinubu matches on with the gods of Yoruba land behind him.

ElsonMorali:
Typical myopic and totally false contribution from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Tinubu loves his people? Yeah right. I laugh in pidgin. A politician that actually loves his people, haha. Maybe you weren't aware that the guy wanted the VP slot for himself before he reluctantly put Osinbajo. It is your tribe that protects their own worst. That is why this country is like this.

You queue up behind those alleged to have stolen the mandate of the people as well as their Commonwealth. You support vagabonds in power just because they are from your area.

Then you go back home and sleep with an empty stomach because those you're defending have impoverished you.

Saying that Tinubu is the only reason Yoruba people are relevant is actually an insult on the whole Yoruba ethnic race. That's why I'm convinced that maybe you're kind of high on cheap crack.

The only politician that has demonstrated unusual and unadulterated love for his people and for others is Awolowo. Good rest his soul. Others are just here to amass wealth and strut around like a god father.

In case you don't know, Bola Ahmed Tinubu's first loyalty is to himsel, then his party the APC. Not to Yoruba and definitely not to Nigeria.

ycat:
Classic sellout coward, you can keep drinking from the same keg of hate you have for Tinubu, but the fact remains he's the only Yoruba leader that actually plays politics to favor Yoruba.

Confused robot, who stole your mandate? And do you even know what that means? Opening your mouth to say trash just makes you more stupidd than you appear to be.

Go get you a job, there's always something to do if you have both hands or you will continue to sleep with empty stomach. Stolen money is gone forever and the time has come to separate men from boys and productive individuals from lazy ass always looking for handouts.

Tinubu is the only Yoruba man alive doing everything to push Yoruba land forward, and y'all can keep saying what you want.

There was no evidence whatsoever that Tinubu wanted to be Vp and there was nothing that ruled him out of being a vp in our constitution.

You unproductive robots will continue to stay in your rabbit hole while Tinubu matches on with the land of Yoruba behind him.

Isn't it you ycat?

Kiss @ss. Tinubu's lapdog. When you eventually get half a sense you can come back for a proper debate. Meanwhile enjoy the money you got to come and launder his image here.

Hopefully in the nearest future you will realise that you not only sold your birth right to these politicians but those of your children and their own children after them.

Arindin. Have you asked yourself how come the man you are defending has made such stupendous wealth since his tenure as governor of Lagos?

If his actions are motivated out of altruistic reasons then he wouldn't have to steal would he?

But unfortunately people like you whom he has stolen from are dumb nitwits with nary a sense.

To continue arguing with you is like pouring water in a basket.

And you transvestite coward who can't even keep to a recognized ID.

You are a hopeless robot who can't stand for anything, and fall for all things. Hogwash drinking zombie who lacks foresight. Bow your head in shame and stop talking trash, yo can't debate to save your miserable life.

The only destinies that have been sold are those of your s and your children at the alter of greed and for not being able to think properly.

Omugo the loser, Tinubu isn't the richest man in Nigeria and to question his wealth, you have to bring the corruption case against him or die in penury. Only a man/woman that wasn't raised with money and that will never make money envy a man whose source of wealth hasn't been linked to any corruption or embezzlement.

You are one of those who have had your mind screwed up by the system and used to getting money without working save for following politicians around. Now that your source of livelihood is yanked off your mouth, you are blowing up all over the place. No more free money for you programmed rodents, now you can go kiss a stray dog.

ElsonMorali:
Isn't it you ycat?

Kiss @ss. Tinubu's lapdog. When you eventually get half a sense you can come back for a proper debate. Meanwhile enjoy the money you got to come and launder his image here.

Hopefully in the nearest future you will realise that you not only sold your birth right to these politicians but those of your children and their own children after them.

Arindin. Have you asked yourself how come the man you are defending has made such stupendous wealth since his tenure as governor of Lagos?

If his actions are motivated out of altruistic reasons then he wouldn't have to steal would he?

But unfortunately people like you whom he has stolen from are dumb nitwits with nary a sense.

To continue arguing with you is like pouring water in a basket.

ycat:
And you transvestite coward who can't even keep to a recognized ID.

You are a hopeless robot who can't stand for anything, and fall for all things. Hogwash drinking zombie who lacks foresight. Bow your head in shame and stop talking trash, yo can't debate to save your miserable life.

The only destinies that have been sold are those of your s and your children at the alter of greed and for not being able to think properly.

Omugo the loser, Tinubu isn't the richest man in Nigeria and to question his wealth, you have to bring the corruption case against him or die in penury. Only a man/woman that wasn't raised with money and that will never make money envy a man whose source of wealth hasn't been linked to any corruption or embezzlement.

You are one of those who have had your mind screwed up by the system and used to getting money without working save for following politicians around. Now that your source of livelihood is yanked off your mouth, you are blowing up all over the place. No more free money for you programmed rodents, now you can go kiss a stray dog.

Like I said to keep arguing with you is to drag myself into the same muck and filth where you derive your existence from.

You are a soundproof wall, so take a dive back into a market septic tank you crawled out of and naturally feel at home.

ElsonMorali:
Like I said to keep arguing with you is to drag myself into the same muck and filth where you derive your existence from.

RockHard:
Did you say the APC Chairman should be 'punished for his perfidy'? Or did you mean to say he should be scapegoated?? Goodness! Why are you being dishonest? Who are you trying to fool? Oyegun will likely take the fall for merely taking orders from the Presidency. That is a FACT that any sincere person understands by now. Why not ask that those at the presidency calling the shots and responsible for the scandal be probed and dealt with instead.

And point of correction, APC is NOT the only party that can salvage the country, so quit making it sound as if the APC is the only platform that can turn things around for Nigeria or Yorubas. If things don't improve for the common man, you best believe that no amount of 'fighting corruption' (which the average hungry Nigerian is tired of hearing sef) will save Buhari and the APC come 2019. If the APC splits tomorrow, another national party will arise out of its ashes to take its place.

If anything, the APC/Buhari has so far showed itself to be incapable and incompetent in managing a complex country like Nigeria. His pro-North policies, Fulani Herdsmen are on rampage all over the country with impunity, Biafra agitation and Niger-Delta insurgency are unprecedented, the naira/economy is in shambles. All this within less than 2-years of this administration. Yet you are here making it sound as though the APC is indispensable. Abeg park well.

Had Jonathan remained in power, what would be happening right now.As at the time the nation was earning the highest ever income from oil, he was still borrowing to pay salaries , depleted our savings, destroyed the military, left more than N600billion contracts debt for the present government, left thousands of abandoned capital projects that were fully paid for in his budgets, allowed his cronies to steal moneys meant for national development, stage managed the economy to making it look healthy etc, etc, etc, and you expect this new government not to have a lot of problems in their hands with falling oil prices and severe oil production cuts.

Na was for you o

MadamExcellency:
What an unrepentant fellow still repeating the propaganda that brought us into deep shit.

The only sin of Jonathan against the West was putting the Easterners in the positions of authority even without marginalizing or neglecting Yoruba Sons and Daughters.

The grave injustice that happened during Jonathan administration against the Southwest was orchestrated by Tinubu in denying one of their own the Speakership of the HOR.

So, stop vomiting trash.

The greatest sin of Jonathan is corruption, maladministration and irresponsible leadership especially the way he handled chibok girls issue.These amongst others are the major reasons why some of us got fed up with him.

basilo101:
we can see how the westerners are helping buhari succeed. This is how you all run down all national assets you fraudulently took over when easterners returned home during the war

They have four years to perform, wait till then before passing judgement. That a team is 2 - 0 down in first half does not mean that they cannot bounce back again. It is too early to judge.

ycat:
Yoruba have boxed themselves into a corner and are about to enter the wall which is just a matter of time.

The states that have not mined an ounce of any mineral resources are already in line for 13% derivatives when Lagos hasn't collected a dime from the port, and Ogun isn't asking anything from what the Fg is collecting from the companies all over the state. I guess they arnot.aiting for someone to come tell them that these are their own contributions to Nigeria.

Back to the issue, I expect Yoruba to sell Tinubu, the only Yoruba leader that loves his people and makes sure we stand tall in the scheme of things in a country where every other tribe protects even the worse of their own. Tinubu is the only reason Yoruba nation is still relevant today, making sure he put Yoruba up as the Vp, the AFENIFERE prefer Yoruba to follow others like Gej who has no respect for Yoruba and didn't think we deserve any key appointment in his govt after receiving 85% of our voters.

And yes, there's no need for another party right now. Tinubu should stay where he is and work against those he should knowing what he knows now and towards holding Yoruba up there. That's politics!

You are dead wrong! Yoruba people have always been relevant in the scheme of things as far as Nigeria is concerned and shall continue to be whether we are at the centre or not.

We have never felt inferior to anyone even when we used to be in the opposition and I will not deceive myself that we will continue to be at the centre either.This partially explains why we don't seek secession unlike other southerners who think that having a northerner in the presidency amounts to slavery, hence the inferiority complex and second class citizen mentality.

Centre or opposition, our main goal is economic might and power within the Nigerian space. We want to ensure that whenever foreign investors are coming into Nigeria, they consider our region first before the rest. We also want to ensure that other Nigerians will consider the southwest before their own.

Therefore bro shake yourself off the dust of mental inferiority and be strong.

IGBA NI N LEKE OMI

ElsonMorali:
I'm actually writing a book concerning old Oyo empire and yes I've done extensive research. Of course there are abuses of the institution as there'll always be in any human institution, yet I think there are good aspects of our respective culture that can come to play in our socio-politico life in Nigeria.

Democracy isn't for everybody. The Arab countries seem to be doing well, and most of them are oil producing like Nigeria. They aren't practising democracy. Same with China and some other countries in the orients.

Even our colonial masters practise a form of democracy that's quite different from that of America.

A total overhaul of the Nigerian political structure is what's needed right now. Let's evolve our own. Who knows maybe ours would be the standard for the world in the future.

Can you imagine people are still stealing ballot boxes in this day and age.

As long as we continue this democracy stuff Nigeria won't make much progress.

My opinion though.

I like your points...

Izonpikin:
I like your points...

Thank you.

You went down the ditch. You missed the point and failed to address the issue raised. Yoruba were sidelined during gej tenure and it would have continued if Tinubu didn't pull this very merger. Do you know why the constitution requires every region to be well represented and why cries of marginalization rent the air when some regions feel they are shortchanged? It's because they would lose out on the development and financial benefits that come with the appointments.

I don't know where you got "Yoruba ever feeling inferior from". I would say complacent and a little cowardly. We have to be at the center to get things done for our region, you can't compare how Osinbajo got things signed up now to when someone who hates Yoruba was there.Being far from the power can stunt the little economic gain we have and put us at a serious disadvantage. We can't always be at the center but we can be as close as possible, but to completely be out like Gej era is unacceptable.

You need.to shed the "well, it's ok" semi defeatist attitude that sends wrong signal to opportunist to take advantage of us. We can be as accommodating and hospitable as ever, and still know when to clinch our fists.

rlauncher:
You are dead wrong! Yoruba people have always been relevant in the scheme of things as far as Nigeria is concerned and shall continue to be whether we are at the centre or not.

We have never felt inferior to anyone even when we used to be in the opposition and I will not deceive myself that we will continue to be at the centre either.This partially explains why we don't seek secession unlike other southerners who think that having a northerner in the presidency amounts to slavery, hence the inferiority complex and second class citizen mentality.

Centre or opposition, our main goal is economic might and power within the Nigerian space. We want to ensure that whenever foreign investors are coming into Nigeria, they consider our region first before the rest. We also want to ensure that other Nigerians will consider the southwest before their own.

Therefore bro shake yourself off the dust of mental inferiority and be strong.

IGBA NI N LEKE OMI

ycat:
You went down the ditch. You missed the point and failed to address the issue raised. Yoruba were sidelined during gej tenure and it would have continued if Tinubu didn't pull this very merger. Do you know why the constitution requires every region to be well represented and why cries of marginalization rent the air when some regions feel they are shortchanged? It's because they would lose out on the development and financial benefits that come with the appointments.

I don't know where you got "Yoruba ever feeling inferior from". I would say complacent and a little cowardly. We have to be at the center to get things done for our region, you can't compare how Osinbajo got things signed up now to when someone who hates Yoruba was there.Being far from the power can stunt the little economic gain we have and put us at a serious disadvantage. We can't always be at the center but we can be as close as possible, but to completely be out like Gej era is unacceptable.

You need.to shed the "well, it's ok" semi defeatist attitude that sends wrong signal to opportunist to take advantage of us. We can be as accommodating and hospitable as ever, and still know when to clinch our fists.

You are right that being at the centre helps at speeding up the development of our region. I also agree with you that Asiwaju Tinumbu have been short changed in the schemes if things in APC. I also felt bad about it.That is why l said in my earlier comment that the APC chairman should resign or be punished for his perfidy.I also recommended that the disagreement between the President and Asiwaju should be amicably resolved in house which is very possible.

However what I disagree with is over-sensationalisation of the issue to mean that the North is fighting with the Southwest because if you look at it dispassionately , you will see that although things appear to look like that but it is not necessarily so.

Most people in the Southwest are not happy with the way Buhari is Treating Tinumbu , no doubt, but we should not clamour on push for any action that is capable of tearing down the nation or worsen the already bad state of the economy because of it.