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italo:
See your fellow Protestants sleeping during service. Even as your pastor is walking on them they cannot wake up.

I rather sleep in a Catholic Church o!
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Ubenedictus:
U want me to readress dis so i will u believe that the saints are members of d body of christ yet u deny them the rights and previledge of a member in d body of christ.

you blive u can interceed yet when a fellow member of d body of christ interceed u cry foul! if u can interceed when Jesus is d sole mediator by praying in Jesus name, so too can d saints.
amen, and that didnt stop u from interceeding why should it stop another member of christ's body?

mrZENographer:
You speak like a false teacher and not someone who is ready to learn.

To answer your twisted comment:

It says bless the Lord ye his angels. It didn't say pray for them ye his angels. In Heaven, all heavenly beings praise God 24/7 not pray. You can see several of this in the book of revelations. E.g Rev 4:11-12.

The only intercessor we have is Jesus. Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession forthem."

If you have all things in Christ, why then are you turning your face to Mary and angels?

"Let no man beguile you of your reward in avoluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind"

My dear, you are intruding into things that you have not seen neither have you heard the word of God say so. You are rather, vainly PUFFED UP by your fleshly mind.

mrZENographer:
Your statements can be criticiZed in one sentence. "Pray ye for one another..."John 5:16
He was not saying this to saints in Heaven. Was he? The answer is obviously clear that he was referring to the earthly saints. We are required to help one another and pray together.

mrZENographer:
You speak like a false teacher and not someone who is ready to learn.

To answer your twisted comment:

It says bless the Lord ye his angels. It didn't say pray for them ye his angels. In Heaven, all heavenly beings praise God 24/7 not pray. You can see several of this in the book of revelations. E.g Rev 4:11-12.

The only intercessor we have is Jesus. Hebrews 7:25...

If you have all things in Christ, why then are you turning your face to Mary and angels?

Ubenedictus:
the passage show david asking d angels to join him in his prayer, that is esentially what catholics do. the bible clearly shows that we can ask the host of heaven to join us in prayer, and mind u, angels and saints dont just worship in heaven, the bible show that they also present our petition before God. that is intercession.

becos mary and d saints and angels are all in christ. if u claim to know christ and u cant recognise those in him then ur faith is problematic or failing.

mrZENographer:
Your twisting the passage still. The angels are not praying but blessing God. Also in the book of Daniel. The angels are carrying the prayer of Daniel to God and back. But they arent praying for him. You are deluded.

The bible does not clearly show that we can pray to host of heaven like you claim. That's why you can't provide a relevant scripture. But verses you can twist to suit ur motive. Its not good.

Secondly, the bible never says that the angels are in Chrst. The Bible says " Christ died not for the Angels but for the children of men".

Ubenedictus:
so prayer of praise is not prayer abi? david clearly ask d angels in heaven to join him in his prayer of paise, that is intercession.

and yet d bible shows david asking d host of heaven to join him in his prayers. if david can do it so can catholics

so you dont even know d purpose of christ dead? eph 1:10 ''as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ...

mrZENographer:
Just listen to yourself. You keep talking trash. If the saints are not the body of christ, then who is?
My points is they are gone, they are in heaven. You cant be praying to them or requesting of them, because the bible says our mediator is Jesus Christ. It's him that intercedes for thesaints on Earth. He is called Our High Priest and Intercessor in the book of Hebrews. No example in the bible is laid out that we should pray to saints that are gone from Earth NO NO NO WHERE. Please show me.

Ubenedictus:
U want me to readress dis so i will u believe that the saints are members of d body of christ yet u deny them the rights and previledge of a member in d body of christ.

you blive u can interceed yet when a fellow member of d body of christ interceed u cry foul! if u can interceed when Jesus is d sole mediator by praying in Jesus name, so too can d saints.
amen, and that didnt stop u from interceeding why should it stop another member of christ's body?

mrZENographer:
Now cowards don't know the diff btw prayer and praise so let me define it.

PRAYER is supplication to God for something the requires attention or solution.

PRAISES is extolling God for whom he is. The ALMIGHTY, JEHOVAH, THE LORD OF HOSTS".

You still haven't given any sound scripture but still pointing at one verse, just to prove urself right for something unacceptable. Gambling with ur soul is a dangerous game?

The saints and angels shall indeed be united in Heaven. How does that support angels praying for us. It does not revoke the passage "Christ died not for angels but men."

Look up again. Can u see the diff btw praise and prayer.

Iseoluwani:
Catholics n false doctrine

Ubenedictus:
Protestants and false accusation+ignorance

mrZENographer:
Now cowards don't know the diff btw prayer and praise so let me define it.

PRAYER is supplication to God for something the requires attention or solution.

PRAISES is extolling God for whom he is. The ALMIGHTY, JEHOVAH, THE LORD OF HOSTS".

The saints and angels shall indeed be united in Heaven. How does that support angels praying for us. It does not revoke the passage "Christ died not for angels but men."

Ubenedictus:
u have nothing to add to d discussion it seems.

Iseoluwani:
Why would I argue with a Catholic that has been brainwashed. I attended a Catholic school, for 6years. Saw everything, they will never subscribe to correction. You are not different from them

Ubenedictus:
I've been around protestants all my life i have seen a worst type of brainwashing among them.
if u give a catholic a passage that u think is against his doctrine he will explain. if u show a protestant a bible passage against his doctrine he is going to start repeating wat his pastor said.

u guy are worst, arrogance mixed with ignorance.

Iseoluwani:
You have nothing to say but to go back to self defence.

How do u explain the adoration of Mary or angels or even Saints.

How do explain vain repetition of reciting the Hail Mary, the creed, the roasay,.

Purpose of angelus?

Confessing your sins to a mere mortal like you. To intercede for you. Many false doctrine.


Pls spare me your hypocrisy

Ubenedictus:
THIS SHOWS UR LEVEL, you are very immature, u have turn a polite issue to an insult contest.
praise is prayer, i already wrote on that. if david can ask d host of heaven to join him in prayer so can i

Ubenedictus:
the thing in heaven and on earth are already united, christ didnt die for d angel, but he united heaven and earth IN CHRIST, SO YES, THE ANGELS ARE IN CHRIST.

mrZENographer:
Please give scripture verse where Bavid asks the host to join him in prayers. If u don't provide thisverse then this discussion is over because u have nothing to offer but mere words.

mrZENographer:
As for me, Galatians 3:26-28 says that "we are all begotten in Christ Jesus through our Faith and baptism".
Angels don't have need of Faith in Christ because they at not look for redemption....which is the reason THE SON choose to bear the name CHRIST, neither do they have need for baptism. So they are not in Christ but they are of Christ

....And by him, all things consist.(were created) Colossians 1:17.

Ubenedictus:
I really hope u dont have amnesia becos u seem to forget thing very easily. i already gave u passages dat show david asking d angels and host of heaven to join him in his prayer of praise but suddenly u have forgotten. let me refresh ur memory.
"Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word,
hearkening to the voice of his word!
Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his
ministers that do his will!" (Ps.
103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).

IN BOTH CASES THE BIBLE GIVES US EXAMPLES OF ASKING ANGLES AND THE HOST OF HEAVEN TO JOIN IN OUR PRAYERS.

mrZENographer:
You'll kill yourself. Your self delusion baffles me. After quoting 2 verses of expressly written PRAISE, you conclude by changing it to prayer.

Hopefully God save u.