Every tribe has it's ancestral home and the ruler of the ancestral Land.. Who can answer this question..

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Okay let me help you with the answer.

The Hausa, Fulani, lake chad down to the Islamic/Arabic speaking countries in Africa today were once an Empire ruled by Mansa Musa before it fell as an empire and new and smaller empires emerge which was administrated by the Emirate system, again due to constant war, some empire fell and some merged to form the today Islamic countries we know, Originally, the hausa was suppose to be from Niger and Lake chad.

Now

Look at Nigeria map, you would see how lake chad and Niger border Nigeria, Guess what? The part where the hausas are presently occupying isn't really for Nigeria, it's like two ethnic groups of Lake chad and Niger coming together to form Hausa. Lord Lugard carved out border and named them Nigeria during the struggle for colonialism just to expand the Nigerian territory in search for natural resources.

This is junior secondary school social studies na. Daura.

This fulanis rulers have done great harm to our history, distorted almost all and addedly invented false history on us, by name Bayajidda and the lake chad of a thing as our origin.

Gobir hausa are the progenitor of hausa kingdoms located at gobir territory now sokoto/sokoto east after danfodio who they favoured carried out war that lead to dissocation of their ruling class to Tsibirin/Tibiri Gobir, Maradi Niger. In Nigeria the ancestral home is Sabon Birnin Gobir while in Niger Rep. its Tsibirin Gobir.

The ruler of S/Birnin Gobir is Sarki Abdulhamid Balarabe, but some of other hausas don't regard gobir hausas as their origin due to the accusations the fulani hypocrite historians labelled on us to cover up their malign and misruling of hausas.

aaronson:
Okay let me help you with the answer.

The Hausa, Fulani, lake chad down to the Islamic/Arabic speaking countries in Africa today were once an Empire ruled by Mansa Musa before it fell as an empire and new and smaller empires emerge which was administrated by the Emirate system, again due to constant war, some empire fell and some merged to form the today Islamic countries we know, Originally, the hausa was suppose to be from Niger and Lake chad.

Now

Look at Nigeria map, you would see how lake chad and Niger border Nigeria, Guess what? The part where the hausas are presently occupying isn't really for Nigeria, it's like two ethnic groups of Lake chad and Niger coming together to form Hausa. Lord Lugard carved out border and named them Nigeria during the struggle for colonialism just to expand the Nigerian territory in search for natural resources.

You couldnt be more wrong small fry. Mansa Musa ruled in the 13/14th century. The hausa states have existed long before that.

DanZubair:
This fulanis rulers have done great harm to our history, distorted almost all and addedly invented false history on us, by name Bayajidda and the lake chad of a thing as our origin.

Gobir hausa are the progenitor of hausa kingdoms located at gobir territory now sokoto/sokoto east after danfodio who they favoured carried out war that lead to dissocation of their ruling class to Tsibirin/Tibiri Gobir, Maradi Niger. In Nigeria the ancestral home is Sabon Birnin Gobir while in Niger Rep. its Tsibirin Gobir.

The ruler of S/Birnin Gobir is Sarki Abdulhamid Balarabe, but some of other hausas don't regard gobir hausas as their origin due to the accusations the fulani hypocrite historians labelled on us to cover up their malign and misruling of hausas.

I see gobirawas as our brothers in every sense of the word but our progenitors? are you drunk?

VomeSchakleton:


I see gobirawas as our brothers in every sense of the word but our progenitors? are you drunk?

Gobir hausas are the progenitor of hausa tribes, take it or leave it. Hausas used to say "sakkwato tushen hausa" sokoto progenitor of hausas. Who are real hausas in sokoto, if not gobir hausas.

DanZubair:
Gobir hausas are the progenitor of hausa tribes, take it or leave it. Hausas used to say "sakkwato tushen hausa" sokoto progenitor of hausas. Who are real hausas in sokoto, if not gobir hausas.

Used to say? When was this? Before the caliphate was built and history distorted you mean? You do know sakwatto was coined by the fulanis right? Why would they use that if they were referring to gobirawas when sokoto didn't exist then? I think they just say that because sakwatto was the capital of the caliphate.

Your claim is pretty ridiculous.

Source of the saying started when conference on hausa progenitor was met at sokoto. years back.

Danfodios son, Muhammadu bello invented the history of bayajidda in relation to hausas begetter, so due to its weakness, when meeting was sat to discuss the real hausa progenitor not bayajidda.

A katsina hausa sat and said it was the daurawas, the bayajidda saga and was rejected. Then a fulani of sokoto raised and said it was gobirawas but since theyre under sokoto, "sakkwatane tushen hausa" sokoto is the progenitor of hausas...

VomeSchakleton:


Used to say? When was this? Before the caliphate was built and history distorted you mean? You do know sakwatto was coined by the fulanis right? Why would they use that if they were referring to gobirawas when sokoto didn't exist then? I think they just say that because sakwatto was the capital of the caliphate.

Your claim is pretty ridiculous.

You can ask historians for more information concerning the saying.

DanZubair:
You can ask historians for information concerning the saying

There is no credible historian that will support your claims brother.


Allow it.

VomeSchakleton:
There is no credible historian that will support your claims brother.

Allow it.

Ask sokoto historians, they will.

DanZubair:
Ask sokoto historians, they will.

Then they would be biased and subjective would they not?

Should there be "a" homeland?
If we follow the Bayajidda myth, Hausa was composed of seven "trueborn" city-states (The Hausa Bakwai): Daura, Gobir, Kano, Rano, Katsina, Biram (Hadejia), Zazzau/Zegzeg/Zaria. Those were the homeland of the Hausa, the first seven city-states.
Expansion led to the inclusion of seven other city-states, satellites to the original seven, the Banza Bakwai. Those were Yauri, Kebbi, Zamfara, Kwararafa, Nupe, Yoruba/Ilorin.

VomeSchakleton:

Then they would be biased and subjective would they not?

Untill you ask

GorkoSusaay:
Should there be "a" homeland?
If we follow the Bayajidda myth, Hausa was composed of seven "trueborn" city-states (The Hausa Bakwai): Daura, Gobir, Kano, Rano, Katsina, Biram (Hadejia), Zazzau/Zegzeg/Zaria. Those were the homeland of the Hausa, the first seven city-states.
Expansion led to the inclusion of seven other city-states, satellites to the original seven, the Banza Bakwai. Those were Yauri, Kebbi, Zamfara, Kwararafa, Nupe, Yoruba/Ilorin.

Gobir hausa and other normal hausas dont consider this bayajidda as their begetter. The story of daura was invented by Muhammadu bello just because fulanis are ruling the hausas of nigeria

VomeSchakleton:

There is no credible historian that will support your claims brother.


Allow it.

I think i may support DanZubair that Gobir truly is the origin of hausas and not just hausas alone, many middlebelt tribes too. I studied the origin of many northern minority tribes and many sources claim that Gobir is the origin of some of these tribes.

GorkoSusaay:
Should there be "a" homeland?
If we follow the Bayajidda myth, Hausa was composed of seven "trueborn" city-states (The Hausa Bakwai): Daura, Gobir, Kano, Rano, Katsina, Biram (Hadejia), Zazzau/Zegzeg/Zaria. Those were the homeland of the Hausa, the first seven city-states.
Expansion led to the inclusion of seven other city-states, satellites to the original seven, the Banza Bakwai. Those were Yauri, Kebbi, Zamfara, Kwararafa, Nupe, Yoruba/Ilorin.

Pls i dont think the Kwararafans and Nupes were ever under hausa nor where they formed by hausas. Nupe land was founded by an igala prince from Idah according to Nupe oral traditions while most igalas claim to have come from Kwararafa and kwararafa itself claims to have come from the middle east directly.
Kebbi, yauri and zamfara may be banza bakwai but not middlebelt tribes.

VomeSchakleton:


You couldnt be more wrong small fry. Mansa Musa ruled in the 13/14th century. The hausa states have existed long before that.

the Malian empire never ruled
over the hausa city states. Songhay did. Plus the sarkinate of Kano[founded in AD 999] was jst as old if not older than Mali.

mansakhalifa:
the Malian empire never ruled
over the hausa city states. Songhay did. Plus the sarkinate of Kano[founded in AD 999] was jst as old if not older than Mali.

Yeah, I know. I just wanted to point out that calling it our ancestral home or calling him our ancestral leader was wrong.

VomeSchakleton:


Yeah, I know. I just wanted to point out that calling it our ancestral home or calling him our ancestral leader was wrong.

I was only affirming your point. The man you quoted distorted history.

mansakhalifa:
I was only affirming your point. The man you quoted distorted history.

Indeed he did. I guess were on the same page.

VomeSchakleton:

Indeed he did. I guess were on the same page.

Spot on.

I am interested in Dan Zubair's argument though.
He should develop the thesis of Gobir, as the original homeland of the Hausas.

By the way, the Bayajidda thesis was not made by Sultan Bello. It was already present in oral history before being compiled in the Kano Chronicle, that was compiled during the rule of Emir Muh'd Bello of Kano (1882-1893).

genieluv:


I think i may support DanZubair that Gobir truly is the origin of hausas and not just hausas alone, many middlebelt tribes too. I studied the origin of many northern minority tribes and many sources claim that Gobir is the origin of some of these tribes.



Pls i dont think the Kwararafans and Nupes were ever under hausa nor where they formed by hausas. Nupe land was founded by an igala prince from Idah according to Nupe oral traditions while most igalas claim to have come from Kwararafa and kwararafa itself claims to have come from the middle east directly.
Kebbi, yauri and zamfara may be banza bakwai but not middlebelt tribes.

I think it's just the ruling class - that is the Attah that is of Kwararafa origin
the general igala people would have a common origin with Yoruba

monkytail:

Every tribe has it's ancestral home and the ruler of the
ancestral Land..
Who can answer this question..

Kano is the ancestral home of all Hausa people, according to some written and oral sources the original proginators of Hausa people were among the offspring of Prophet Suleiman ( Solomon) and Bilkisu (Queen of Sheeba) through their son Emperor Menelik 1 of Ethiopia. The original proginators who were members of the Ethiopian royal family called " Maguzza" (hence the term Maguzawa) moved down west from Ethiopia during the reign of Emperor Walde Makonin 1, with their family members, they were

1. Dala, his wife Jakara and their four sons Gagiwa, Gunzago, Buzame, and Nisau.

2. Gayya, his wife Batta and his two sons Haruna and Lemo and a daughter called Aba-giya.

3. Ranau, his wife Bakwasa, his son Shike and daughter Cakwaya.

These families were believed to have travelled all the way from ethiopia untill they reached the eastern corner of the present day Kano state were Gayya and his family settled there and today the area is called "Gaya" presently it is a local government area with a second class Emir titled " Sarkin Gaya".

After Gayya settled, Dala and Ranau kept their westward movement until they reached present day Kano city were Dala decided to settled with his family on one of the two hills in that area the hill he settled on is now called "Dutsen Dala" ( Dala Hill) and this site (hill) is presently a tourist site within the walled city of Kano.

After Dala settled, Ranau decided to keep moving southward from were Dala settled untill he reached an area with many hills and settled there, that area is now called "Rano" its also a local government area with a second class Emir titled"Sarkin Rano". It is believed all Hausas are from this three families, their offsprings spread to different locations of present day Hausaland.

mansakhalifa:
the Malian empire never ruled
over the hausa city states. Songhay did. Plus the sarkinate of Kano[founded in AD 999] was jst as old if not older than Mali.

wow I like this your nomenclature "Sarkinate" .

DanZubair:
This fulanis rulers have done great harm to our history, distorted almost all and addedly invented false history on us, by name Bayajidda and the lake chad of a thing as our origin.

Gobir hausa are the progenitor of hausa kingdoms located at gobir territory now sokoto/sokoto east after danfodio who they favoured carried out war that lead to dissocation of their ruling class to Tsibirin/Tibiri Gobir, Maradi Niger. In Nigeria the ancestral home is Sabon Birnin Gobir while in Niger Rep. its Tsibirin Gobir.

The ruler of S/Birnin Gobir is Sarki Abdulhamid Balarabe, but some of other hausas don't regard gobir hausas as their origin due to the accusations the fulani hypocrite historians labelled on us to cover up their malign and misruling of hausas.

The Gobirawa were not originally Hausa they moved down from Aire in Niger into their present day location around the 12th-13th century when they were expelled from their domain by the Tuaregs, they moved down and carved for themselves a kingdom with headquaters at Alkalawa. Besides I dont think you should blame the Fulani or Europeans for discrepancies in our Histories, because if other Hausa states had documented their histories like the people of Kano did there could have been no room for distortions. And again the Hausa bakwai were in existence long before Gobir came into existence.

monkytail:

Every tribe has it's ancestral home and the ruler of the
ancestral Land..
Who can answer this question..

As for ancestral Leader of Hausa people, I would say Hausa people donot have a single ancestral leader, but for leadership exploits in Hausaland credit most go to the 6 grand sons of bayajidda.

Baaballiyo:


The Gobirawa were not originally Hausa they moved down from Aire in Niger into their present day location around the 12th-13th century when they were expelled from their domain by the Tuaregs, they moved down and carved for themselves a kingdom with headquaters at Alkalawa. Besides I dont think you should blame the Fulani or Europeans for discrepancies in our Histories, because if other Hausa states had documented their histories like the people of Kano did there could have been no room for distortions. And again the Hausa bakwai were in existence long before Gobir came into existence.

We speak the most refined and pure hausa. history of hausa land is in our mist, our system of government is one in used in hausa land and beyond. Then how come we happen to be non hausa, while we are more knowledgeable than in hausa terminology? That gobir hausas are not originally hausa is nothing but false accusations by fulani historians to keep on covering our identity forever, but that maynot be since we still have our oral history off head and the accolades we receive from our brothers and the tribes we maintained cordial relationship with in hausa land and beyond. Fulanis can deny us freedom in Nigeria but cant dare do it at Niger Rep.

Danfodio who they favoured and gave shelter to his forefathers in gobir territory did it during his terrorist movement, HARAJI HARAM, burnt their history library at Alkalawa and also killed their islamic scholars- the scholars that taught him but he being betrayer killed them in return just because they asked him questions regarding islam he cant answer.

Gobir hausas were not expelled by the tuaregs during their stay at bagazam. Tuaregs met them there and requested the territory from them whenever they were leaving, as their migratory behaviour of overall packing. Tuaregs tried fighting them but they over powered them and continue with their journey.

So far with our explanations.... It's just funny how people now say Nigeria is owned by Hausa

DanZubair:

We speak the most refined and pure hausa. history of hausa land is in our mist, our system of government is one in used in hausa land and beyond. Then how come we happen to be non hausa, while we are more knowledgeable than in hausa terminology? That gobir hausas are not originally hausa is nothing but false accusations by fulani historians to keep on covering our identity forever, but that maynot be since we still have our oral history off head and the accolades we receive from our brothers and the tribes we maintained cordial relationship with in hausa land and beyond. Fulanis can deny us freedom in Nigeria but cant dare do it at Niger Rep.

Danfodio who they favoured and gave shelter to his forefathers in gobir territory did it during his terrorist movement, HARAJI HARAM, burnt their history library at Alkalawa and also killed their islamic scholars- the scholars that taught him but he being betrayer killed them in return just because they asked him questions regarding islam he cant answer.

Gobir hausas were not expelled by the tuaregs during their stay at bagazam. Tuaregs met them there and requested the territory from them whenever they were leaving, as their migratory behaviour of overall packing. Tuaregs tried fighting them but they over powered them and continue with their journey.

1. Dan fodios forefathers were already established in that area before the Gobirawa came down from aire.

2. During that era, u don't asked for territory you fight for it, so its funny if you believe such impossible tale.

3. Most Hausa of that era don't like Gobirawa because they see them as imposters, and while the true Hausa people love peace the Gobirawa of that time Love to fight. That is why the Hausa folks readily sided with the Fulani when Shehu dan Fodio started his struggles.

3. I don't know when or how the Gobirawa became the purest Hausa people to start with they don't even speak pure Hausa Language.