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daviddext:
"And He saith unto him, verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ASCENDING and DESCENDINH upon the Son of man."(John 1:51)
"...a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard...which said, COME UP HERE."(Revelations 4:1)

By these two biblical witnesses your view or inference about the spiritual location of heaven is HERESY. "Geo" means earth. But I want you to know that heaven is not earthly neither is it on earth. The Bible inferes that the angels of this little ones are not OMNIPRESENT beings. When they are down, they are not up they to PRAY FOR MEN. There was no time that they could. But Jesus does it well.

SORRY DEAR, you are argueing with urself, heaven doesn have longitude and latitude, it is a spiritual reality outside 'space'. stop interpreting everything literaly, heaven isnt, there is heaven but it isnt a physical reality.

daviddext:
Talking about prayer,when Jesus says "Ask", what does He mean?
Now tell me, in Revelations 8:3, who did the asking, the angels or the saints?
I thank God you left the scripture intact when you said "the angels still continue TO OFFER the prayer of d saints."

(TO OFFER THE SAINT'S PRAYER) will never be translated by a sane translator as(TO PRAY FOR THE SAINTS). Although, sane interpreters like you and many others often do so to hide from God's convicting power like Adam did.
I hope you understand.

WHEN U TAKE UR BROTHERS INTENTION AND OFFER IT TO GOD, WHAT IS THAT? It is called intercession. To offer someone else prayers to God is to interceed. i dont need to retranslate d bible, the bible is clear, angels were offer d prayers of d saint to God. that my dear is clearly intercession.

daviddext:
THE LORD REBUKE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE IN ERROR, BEING DECIEVED AND DECIEVING OTHERS.
The angel of death in exodus, the angels sent to Sodom and Gomorrah, the angels sent to kill Israel because of King David's sin, dared not pray for them.

The lord isnt rebuking me, he is confirming me, d angels of kids were beholding d face of God, angels in heaven are offering my prayers to God. that an angel is sent to kill doesnt imply they cant interceed.

ayoku777:
Intercession is not offering or presenting someone else's prayer before God. Intercession is praying to God for someone else.
You had to manufacture your own definition of intercession to suit your doctrinal bias.
When you pray for someone else, you don't need the person's prayers. Infact, sometimes what you are praying might even be different from what the person himself is asking.

When Jesus intercedes for us, He prays in His own words to the Father, not present our own prayers to the Father. Many times, what Jesus even says to the Father is completely different from what we are asking the Father to do in our ignorance.
The angel here is not praying or interceding for the saints, he is mixing the prayers of the saints with incense and presenting the smoke of it to God.

d angel is offering prayer to GOD after mixing it wit incense (i.e making it acceptable) and u want to tel me it isnt intercesion. to offer to God sum1 else request is intercession.

Ubenedictus:
WHEN U TAKE UR BROTHERS INTENTION AND OFFER IT TO GOD, WHAT IS THAT? It is called intercession. To offer someone else prayers to God is to interceed. i dont need to retranslate d bible, the bible is clear, angels were offer d prayers of d saint to God. that my dear is clearly intercession.

Helloooo! I think you should actually read your write up before posting.

Intercession is NOT offering someone else's prayer!
I repeat angels cannot pray for you.

Ubenedictus:
d angel is offering prayer to GOD after mixing it wit incense (i.e making it acceptable) and u want to tel me it isnt intercesion. to offer to God sum1 else request is intercession.

stop adding to God's word, the angels did not offer prayer with the incense!

Ubenedictus:
SORRY DEAR, you are argueing with urself, heaven doesn have longitude and latitude, it is a spiritual reality outside 'space'. stop interpreting everything literaly, heaven isnt, there is heaven but it isnt a physical reality.

I know your kind takes argument as hobby. Your stiffneck makes you close your eyes to the truth even when it is before you. You may argue with men but you will never have a chance to argue with Jehovah. Jesus Christ still rebukes your heresy and deciet. "HE, THAT BEING OFTEN REPROVED HARDENETH HIS NECK, SHALL SUDDENLY BE DESTROYED, AND THAT WITHOUT REMEDY."(Proverbs 29:1)

daviddext:
I know your kind takes argument as hobby. Your stiffneck makes you close your eyes to the truth even when it is before you. You may argue with men but you will never have a chance to argue with Jehovah. Jesus Christ still rebukes your heresy and deciet. "HE, THAT BEING OFTEN REPROVED HARDENETH HIS NECK, SHALL SUDDENLY BE DESTROYED, AND THAT WITHOUT REMEDY."(Proverbs 29:1)

GO THEN AND FIND THE LOCATION, i really dont have d time for silly arguements and unwarranted insults.

solite3:
stop adding to God's word, the angels did not offer prayer with the incense!

LOL, Maybe u should rid d passage again.

solite3:
Helloooo! I think you should actually read your write up before posting.

Intercession is NOT offering someone else's prayer!
I repeat angels cannot pray for you.

So u think sending God someone prayer isnt intercession. well i'll leave u to ur opinions.

Ubenedictus:
So u think sending God someone prayer isnt intercession. well i'll leave u to ur opinions.

pls explain how does angels aiding the prayers of men to God meintercessionion?
Let me leave you with this verse on what intercession is
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Ubenedictus:
So u think sending God someone prayer isnt intercession. well i'll leave u to ur opinions.

Your mentions brought me back to this thread, and I see the ping pong going on here. I have however said all that i have to say on the thread and left when misrepresentation of facts started coming in, like its a win or lose debate. Like i had earlier summarized, the Catholic Church has rightly held that angels did and still do intercede for man, just as every member of the body of Christ can intercede for one another, as a participant in the great intercessory role of Christ. For the non-catholic we have seen them divided among themselves in their stand: some say the angels interceded in the old testament; but no longer now, While others say the angels never interceded at all neither then nor now. These non Catholics accuse the Catholic Church of not being "only Scripture" adherents, yet I am forced to ask why they don't have same truth if the Holy Spirit indeed is the one interpreting scriptures for them. Their greatest problem is that they've lost their history. They won't ask questions like: when did we have this book called the bible? What was Christianity like in the days before or during the collation and canonization of the bible? Since we believe in the credibility of those who gave us this collection of books called the bible, what were their teachings on various topics? These should help a bible scholar untie loose knots, for those people heard directly from the apostles, or those who heard from them.

Marcus Garvey — 'A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots.'

solite3:
pls explain how does angels aiding the prayers of men to God meintercessionion?
Let me leave you with this verse on what intercession is
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

HEhehe, oh the spirits interceeds, christ interceeds, even u can interceed but d angels cant u claim, they are offering ur prayers to God but they are not interceeding u claim. ofcuz we agree to disagree since d definition of intercession is lost on u.

Ubenedictus:
HEhehe, oh the spirits interceeds, christ interceeds, even u can interceed but d angels cant u claim, they are[b] offering ur prayers to God but they are not interceeding u claim[/b]. ofcuz we agree to disagree since d definition of intercession is lost on u.

It seems you don't know what intercede mean.

intercede

verb (intercedes, interceding; past and past participle interceded)
- (intransitive) To plead on someone else's behalf.
- (intransitive) To act as a mediator in a dispute; to arbitrate or mediate.
- To pass between; to intervene.

solite3:
It seems you don't know what intercede mean.
intercede
verb (intercedes, interceding; past and past participle interceded) - (intransitive) To plead on someone else's behalf. - (intransitive) To act as a mediator in a dispute; to arbitrate or mediate. - To pass between; to intervene.

now read again.

Ubenedictus:
now read again.

do angels do those things?

solite3:
do angels do those things?

i thought u have been reading the scripture passages on d thread.

When you pray for your family you are doing Angelic work. Angels carry Messages to and from God at God's Pleasures.

Ubenedictus:
i thought u have been reading the scripture passages on d thread.

pls show me from the scriptures where angels pleads for me or act as a bridge between God and man.

solite3:
pls show me from the scriptures where angels pleads for me or act as a bridge between God and man.

Oga, stop taking him back, it isn't his duty to read through the thread for you. I will however help you out. Go back to the first page of the thread, any where you see post from Ayoku777, read it. He is a non catholic like you, who reads the bible and interprets by himself...just like you. If you agree with him ok; if you disagree with him, you can sought that out amongst you.