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Seun:
They are just wrong. Prayer only works when not praying would also have worked. If you pray for the sun to rise tomorrow morning, your prayer will be answered, but if you pray for something that requires supernatural intervention, it simply won't happen. 2000 years ago, Jesus promised that Christians would be able to pick mountains up and cast them into the sea at will. Till date, nothing like this has ever happened. A thoughtful spouse is worth a thousand prayer warriors.

jaymejate:
Truly, fasting and praying even with bible quotes ONLY will NEVER solve any problem. That's why "a solution without step or move is just a theory with no problem solving ability".
Praying works but a step must be taking. And that's FAITH
I have never seen someone that pray concerning a problem and get miracle without taking a practical step in solving the problem. If something like that happen, it's just meant to happen naturally (nature).

U guys may have a point that some things that will be will be whether being prayed for or not, but however you guys cannot deny the fact that prayer has also worked for some people.

What will you say about some sick people whom the medical professionals have given up on their cases and given them up to death, but only for such people to be prayed for and they become instantly whole again? Or dont u guys know that medical science has it's limitations? There are many cases of sudden healings and miracles which even the medical practicioners are shocked and cannot explain. If you doubt it go and confirm from them. What do u have to say then?

Some people who share healing testimonies in church bring evident medical before and after results to prove.
So what will you guys say about these?

We have seen a case whereby a woman whose womb was removed due to damage yet she conceived and gave birth. All medical practicioners were dumbfounded. Have you guys ever watched Pastor Chris healing school program for instance and see the instant miracles performed and televised live? Or the atmosphere for miracles where live healings are testified and confirmed? Are you guys saying all these activities involving millions of people are all stage managed or they were meant to happen naturally? If you say they were meant to happen naturally, then why did the natural happenings choose to take place exactly at those times synonymously? You guys have to admit it that there are many phenomenon that neither science nor logical reasoning can explain.

JackBizzle:
Rubbish.

If your friend is drowning, would you pray or would you jump in the water to save him?

The way you reason though

Why do we pray ?

For God to intervene .

If my friend is drowning and I can swim , what stops me from jumping in to save him ?

Now what if I cannot swim

Prayer is useless.


King David prayed and shouted but his son still died. God himself does not even like answering prayers

Praying is otiose to you because you are an atheist . God already told David that his son's death is the condign punishment for his adulterous behavior and murderous act.

What about Elijah and the prophets of Baal ? Didn't God answer Elijah's prayers and proved His power ? Or are you oblivious of the story?

KingEbukasBlog:
Also errmm , Imagine a couple trying to have a baby . They take numerous tests and discover they are infertile . No matter the effort /work they put - that's continually having sex - there will be no baby . They now pray to God . If they stopped having sex or "working" after the prayer , will they conceive a baby ? No . They need to continue having sex coupled with their faith/prayer to God - God's intervention - for it to be effective . Then they conceive and now have a baby even though various tests have shown they are both infertile .

There are numerous testimonies like this .

I'm surprised you try to adopt an empirical style. nonetheless let's agree the process of prayer is as elusive as the supernatural nature of God

EreluY:
[size=15pt]Another very logical response. Love your use of analogy. We currently have a generation of certificated yet uneducated Nigerians who are products of intellectually-impoverished universities where some dubious teachers with no creditable academic outputs hold professorial chairs. Simple google search would show you that doctoral degrees and professorial chairs in some Nigerian universities are awarded on highly questionable and dubious grounds. Shame! Any wonder people cannot think critically and rationally with a view to emancipating themselves from the shackles of religious claims (Christianity and Islam) derived from Ancient Near Eastern myths and folklores.[/size]

How do you define 'critical thinking'? Ignoring evidence? Parroting Dawkins and his ilk? How exactly?

KingEbukasBlog:
The way you reason though

Why do we pray ?

For God to intervene .

If my friend is drowning and I can swim , what stops me from jumping in to save him ?

Now what if I cannot swim



Praying is otiose to you because you are an atheist . God already told David that his son's death is the condign punishment for his adulterous behavior and murder .

What about Elijah and the prophets of Baal ? Didn't God answer Elijah's prayers and proved His power ? Or are you oblivious of the story?

Okay, pray to God to make me stop being an atheist.

Or pray for Nigeria to be better.



These two prayers have failed for many years.

kjhova:
I stumbled on the topic a little late and have taken my time to read up the entire 10 pages. I have written much on this topic on NL in time past so I'd just add a tit bit.

Anyone who hates, anyone who preaches hatred, anyone who segregates, anyone who can't stand another, anyone who ostracize and campaign for a group to be ostracized, anyone who loathes another...may I never be eager to share the same abode with them.

The level of hatred tolerated by religion, particularly the three so-called Abrahamic religions, is beyond acceptable to a rational mind.

@OP, your original post is nothing but bile and pure unadulterated towards atheists. Not content with your hate of atheists, you took it online hopefully to raise a mob to finish them off.

Well done. That is very very christianlike.

Do you visit this section frequently? Go back to read the post again and quote where he asked you to hate atheists

Kay17:
I'm surprised you try to adopt an empirical style. nonetheless let's agree the process of prayer is as elusive as the supernatural nature of God

Its clearly evident - the effect of prayer as per my last example , so how then is God's power now elusive ?

jaymejate:
Truly, fasting and praying even with bible quotes ONLY will NEVER solve any problem. That's why "a solution without step or move is just a theory with no problem solving ability".
Praying works but a step must be taking. And that's FAITH




I have never seen someone that pray concerning a problem and get miracle without taking a practical step in solving the problem. If something like that happen, it's just meant to happen naturally (nature).

This is very wrong. It depends on the situation, sometimes all you have to do is have faith and you will get your miracle. For example , in the case of divine healing, you can pray to God and get healed without taking any drug.

Although, I agree with you that sometimes you have to take action but try not to generalize. Peace.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its clearly evident - the effect of prayer as per my last example , so how then is God's power now elusive ?

I think prayers should have a miraculous effect and therefore should not rely on physical works.

Kay17:
I think prayers should have a miraculous effect and therefore should not rely on physical works.

Like praying to God for a job , then a random desirable company calls in to ask you if you are interested in a remunerative job offer without even applying ? That happens a lot too .

So what's your excuse now dear ?

michaelwestern:
You are having a fake relationship and about to have a fake marriage with her. Can you show her this post and all your other posts on nairaland? Most atheists and you in particular always use insulting words to describe Christians, does that mean that you are engaged to a stupid woman who is mentally under developed to believe in the Christian mythology?

Lol... Unfortunately for u, I am in a very happy relationship... I just pity u. U sit down in the comfort of ur home and wish my relationship is fake. That's how stupid some of u religious folks can be.

U think my fiance is the only theist friend I have? I have been getting along with theists even before I met her.

Religion is dumb. My girl is dumb for being religious, but gladly there are far other qualities she has that I admire and that makes me think she is a great woman.

She knows my take in religion yet we are able to get along almost perfectly.

Like I said, their is more to life than religion and imaginary beings. We concentrate on other things more important to our lives. Ur imaginary being remains in her head and not in our relationship.

Are u that sad I am happy? Go hug a fat frog.

hmmm.. another pained religionist

Op.. You seems too full of hatred for atheists and their likes. let me shock you. My fiance is a practicing christian and i am an agnostics... We are doing fine.. we had our issues.. we settled it.. set the boundary.. and we both respect it.. See.. Marriage or relationship is not a function of religion. it is rather a function of two dissimilar people from different background WILLING, ABLE and MATURED enough to COMPROMISE, SACRIFICE, COMMUNICATE effectively with each other and more importantly.. BEAR each other's imperfection. Religion has failed in virtually every aspect of life... except to keep people in slavery. Whether you marry a practicing christian or not.. if the attitude is BAD and not willing to adjust.. YOU ARE DAMNED.. simple.. dont act like one of you worshiped daddies in the Lord, who asked his congregation not to marry a lady that cant pray... ALL THAT ARE NOT BASIC PER-REQUISITE TO HAVE A LASTING, ENJOYABLE MARRIAGE. So think again.. your hatred for people who do not believe in what you believe wont help you.

michaelwestern:
Do you visit this section frequently? Go back to read the post again and quote where he asked you to hate atheists

OMG!!! The thing about bigotry is that if you happen to be trapped in it, you won't even see the wrong in anything you do.

You ask me to quote where the OP asked readers to hate atheists? Are you for real? He said and I hereby quote, "AVOID ATHEISTS LIKE PLAGUE"! If this isn't the very definition of hatred, I'd be damned!!

aaronson:
Yeah, I admit, I'm uneducated but as an uneducated one, let me point out a flaw in the logic of an educated one.

First- You said, God is the reason am alive.

Secondly- In this post am replyig, you said, "every body would die someday even me"

My question?

If everybody would die someday like you know, how then is it of God that people are alive today? EXPLAIN?

It is appointed unto man to die once and after that, judgement. God has a special place for us all and our life here on earth is temporary. Acknowledging Him as Lord over our lives is key to everlasting life with Him. You are alive because of God's love. We are all given a chance to acknowledge Him as Lord over our lives.

Amberon:
Pure Thrash!

Christianity is not divided along denominational lines. It is centered on Christ. Christianity teaches that GOD gave us everything we have including knowledge.

Wether you accept that or not is your headache.

Religious folks are not used to accepting reality, so I am not surprised.

Lennycool:
Oh sure, atheist are such bad husband's, no woman should ever marry an atheist.
I mean its not like the atheist will ever claim to love an imaginary being more than his family.
Its not like the atheist will treat you as inferior (weaker vessels) as the holy books instructs
Its not like the atheist will set limitations on what you can do with your free time and who you can see.
Its not like an atheist will marry multiple wives and see you as property.
its not like an atheist will beat you if he pleases. And still find it moral
Why would a woman ever marry someone like this?
Atheist make terrible husband's, that's why every woman married to a religious person is happy, their lives are filled with joy. Only women married to atheist suffer.
#Sarcasm
Get sense

QED

Kay17:
Strive for the bigger picture. Marriage is just one of the means of forming community. Community between families and strangers is the goal of marriage. So when you say believers and children of light ( Which now stands for Christians) should not yoke with unbelievers and darkness ( Which stands for non Christians) you are implying that these groups of people should not commune or unite as a single community.

So aside from marriage, you are in essence saying Christians should not adopt unbelievers or welcome them or commit to a deeper relationship with them.

Being in a healthy community does not undermine your individuality. Secular nations show brilliant experiments with multiculturalism. People of various ideological backgrounds can coexist even in a marriage.

please no more baseless arguements, read the op again gradually then you can understand me fully, once again a christian has no business inter marrying with another who shares different and contradicting ideologies.

Water and oil... Immiscible.

chubbyswit:
please no more baseless arguements, read the op again gradually then you can understand me fully, once again a christian has no business inter marrying with another who shares different and contradicting ideologies.

In your twisted world, inter tribal/racial/continental/denominational/religious marriage should be an abomination right?

*pls slap yourself already*

KingEbukasBlog:
Like praying to God for a job , then a random desirable company calls in to ask you if you are interested in a remunerative job offer without even applying ? That happens a lot too .

So what's your excuse now dear ?

And those whose prayers are left unanswered?

frank317:
I can also ask "what happens if two Christians marry and calling the line, the husband or wife becomes an atheist?

Let me tell u what happens becasue like life, shiiiit always happens.... People must learn to deal with it.

Then, the christian must carry his/her cross. Its not a valid ground for divorce according to the scripture.

However someone out of the two will not be living a fulfilled life.

Do you think your wife will be able to go with you to a " fellowship of atheists"? I know it doesn't exist now but it is possible...except she is just a Christian by name and not by heart.

Don't forget that not all Christians will see the kingdom of God..except those who do the will of God. There are many people called Christian who are not known by Christ and that is the bottom line.

Ask your fiancée "Forget about religion, do you think Jesus knows you as His own"? Ask her how she got born again! if she claims such.

If my wife becomes an atheist today, I will be very sad! But , I can't hate or divorce her...and in spite of this , I will still love her

BUT
Will I be happy? No!
Would I appreciate her teaching our children Atheistic doctrines? No!
Would I intensify my " indoctrination " effort on our children? Yes!
Would I want her to do the same for our children? No!

Suppose she becomes adamant, would I give in? No!

Why? I don't want to loose my children in eternity!

Interestingly, my atheistic wife would not have any plan for eternity either for herself or for our children." She has nothing to loose" by her atheistic stand.

However, as a Theist, I have all to loose if I make heaven and all my children do not all because I married an atheist.

So you see, its not as simple as you have viewed it except of course if you DO NOT interfere with anything of religious inclination in your family.

Kay17:
And those whose prayers are left unanswered?

God's time is the best

ilynem:
It is appointed unto man to die once and after that, judgement. God has a special place for us all and our life here on earth is temporary. Acknowledging Him as Lord over our lives is key to everlasting life with Him. You are alive because of God's love. We are all given a chance to acknowledge Him as Lord over our lives.

This doesn't explain how life is of God or directly being influenced by him, Does you God has a Life? Yes. How? Because it is believed you were created in his mage and likeness, Now if your God has a life like he created you to be, Who then gave God life? This is another question that begs for answer. I think if you know where your God got his life then you can connect the ducts to know how your life came about but if you tell me nobody gave God life but God gave you life then, it's is same as telling me, Nobody gave birth to your mom but you mom gave birth to you.

Another Misconception

If God love is the basis for Life, How then do people who don't know your God got life, people from other religion such as the Buddhist, Taosist, Greek Mythodology worshippers, Hindiust etc

Another misconception

You said man dies once at the appointed time at appointed time by God and I believe your God never makes mistakes because he's all knowing so how come, Lazarus died and Jesus went to overrule the appointment of God Jurisdiction over Lazarus's life by raising him from the dead. Did God made a mistake by letting Lazarus die in the first place?

Vick4rill:
Unless you are ready to be an atheist yourself, don't ever believe you guys will be able to tolerate each other for long. Forget about the "bullshit" about both of you, loving yourselves and being tolerant to one another. That assertion can never work. How can u spend your life with somebody who thinks that your "belief" is delusional and plain foolishness?

How can you train your children in such a man's house? What if he decides that his children will become atheists too? What will happen when both of you are supposed to pray and come together as a family? Do you think such a person will tolerate ur pastors or church members visiting you in his house?

Avoid atheists like plagues. Don't ever think you can change or convert him, once you people are married. There is no any good quality that any atheist possesses, that is not found among the Christian brothers. Just pray hard and God will give you a good believer that will give you more happiness than any atheist can ever think of giving you.

VERY TRUE

Good questions. Trust me I didn't want to stop believing in what I thought was God at the time.

Yes it would be apt to discuss these topics on a separate new thread between you and I. Do create the thread and with prompts you want me to respond to and we can get started.

I will start responding sometime tomorrow because I'm a bit busy at the moment.

I look forward to it.

DoctorAlien:
Antiparticle,

I read the long piece you wrote on your journey to atheism. You said you started to become aware of the genocidal acts of GOD. This is the same reason why I wrote that seven-point article you quoted. An understanding of the fact that GOD created and owns humanity will make the motives behind His relationship with humanity clearer.

To the issue of miracles, I can tell you categorically that I have witnessed miracles in my life. Miracles, however, are not a standard for measuring GOD. Satan can do miracles too.

Concerning the slave trade, I'm a bit surprised you focused only on Africans. Do you know that slave trade is as old as man? I was expecting you to ask "why did GOD even allow slave trade to originate?" Asking this question will then lead us into asking "why is there evil today?"

On the historicity of Jesus, it is rather unfortunate that you stumbled upon only biased materials. You can read up Tacitus' piece on Jesus.

I wouldn't mind discussing all this with you on a new thread.

Accepting the reality that God exists or ??

neocortex:
Religious folks are not used to accepting reality, so I am not surprised.

Antiparticle:
Good questions. Trust me I didn't want to stop believing in what I thought was God at the time.

Yes it would be apt to discuss these topics on a separate new thread between you and I. Do create the thread and with prompts you want me to respond to and we can get started.

I will start responding sometime tomorrow because I'm a bit busy at the moment.

I look forward to it.

Great!

See you there.

aaronson:
This doesn't explain how life is of God or directly being influenced by him, Does you God has a Life? Yes. How? Because it is believed you were created in his mage and likeness, Now if your God has a life like he created you to be, Who then gave God life? This is another question that begs for answer. I think if you know where your God got his life then you can connect the ducts to know how your life came about but if you tell me nobody gave God life but God gave you life then, it's is same as telling me, Nobody gave birth to your mom but you mom gave birth to you.

Another Misconception

If God love is the basis for Life, How then do people who don't know your God got life, people from other religion such as the Buddhist, Taosist, Greek Mythodology worshippers, Hindiust etc

Another misconception

You said man dies once at the appointed time at appointed time by God and I believe your God never makes mistakes because he's all knowing so how come, Lazarus died and Jesus went to overrule the appointment of God Jurisdiction over Lazarus's life by raising him from the dead. Did God made a mistake by letting Lazarus die in the first place?

You know the problem with you people? You think you are sooooooo smart and so try to pick holes in christiandom and then end up looking very ignorant. One of the qualities of God is that He is Everlasting. Go check the meaning of that. Secondly, your love for God is not what keeps you alive but His love for you. He loves everyone including sinners. Finally God really loves to display His power and He did that through Jesus a lot. That is why He had Lazarus raised.

ilynem:
You know the problem with you people? You think you are sooooooo smart and so try to pick holes in christiandom and then end up looking very ignorant. One of the qualities of God is that He is Everlasting. Go check the meaning of that. Secondly, your love for God is not what keeps you alive but His love for you. He loves everyone including sinners. Finally God really loves to display His power and He did that through Jesus a lot. That is why He had Lazarus raised.

Could you please answer my questions logically instead of preaching on the subject matter. You never answer any of my questions Instead be quick to preach about God love and all. How did God get life himself? Simple question, Now preach for an answer or logically answer me.

This thread has been derailed. Please let's get it back on track. This thread is about whether or not Christian women should marry atheists.