₦airaland Forum

Jollymich:
this is a different case altogether

how so?

prodigy97:
same way you can't arrest a sitting president irrespective of his crime unless he is impeached

If a president sell nuclear weapon to his enemy and lead a war against his country. He will be investigated, and other things follows.
Immunity doesn't cover investigation or stop criminal proceeding.
Let the president kill his wife in front of witnesses and you shall see what will happen.

Judges dont have immunity from prosecution.

omonnakoda:
So why pretend to be a democracy? Since we are in extremis. Why not just overthrow the government and declare military rule.The extreme situation is restricted not only to the judiciary? So I do not understand your logic? Is Buhari himself clean? Is his Cabinet clean? Where does the mandate and authority to act extremely come from? Is the kidnapping situation and the Fulani herdsmen problem not extreme enough?
You see I am not one of those who is taking sides on this issue.I focus on the endgame not the opening. After all the excitement how will it end that is what interest me. Buhari's antecedents over the last 15 months does not inspire we with confidence to grant him EXTREME powers.
Now the judges were arrested and they have been released? So what has been achieved? Buhari had his period of extreme measures in 1984 and 1985 when he was jailing people for 200 years what did that achieve. There is a problem that can be solved in a more cerebral way with the achievement of conviction and jailing of corrupt judges.This is just sensationalism without thought and without a plan. In 12 months he has not achieved a single noteworthy conviction rather he has been announcing this and that.
This sort of extreme measure will only excite kids. I can never support a lynching because it does not develop rather it destroys. A beheading is never the cure for a headache no matter how extreme that is madness!!

God punish democracy. amadioha fire democracy that allows the rich to get away with any and all crimes, while subjecting the masses to untold sufferings and hardship. Songo punish a democracy that privilege elected officers with over 70% of our collective sweat and still steal the remaining 30% share of the masses.
Yes the judiciary is losing legitimacy and only executive has the powers and resources to save the situation. The day the executive loses legitimacy, then a coup will be justified. For example, the minute the Shonekan government lost legitimacy, Abacha overthrew him without any opposition.

If you allege buhari is not clean or his cabinet as a whole has heen indicted, why not put forward your accusations with evidence.

Stop throwing up the red herring of Fulani herdsmen, Fulani herdsmen menace did not start during this administration, they were killing farmers all over the middle belt during Jonathan's reign.

How do you want Buhari to achieve convictions, is he a judge? What do you want the executive to do when our judiciary refuses to convict " big men" because they have stolen enough money to hire 10 SANs and bribe judges with millions of dollars. Have you ever seen a judge sentence a big man to appreciable jail time in Nigeria? It is always plea bargain or hospital rest for the few that have ever been "convicted" Ibori was cleared of all charges, only to admit to the crimes in the UK.

july66:
There is a general anger against corruption & this is normal but if you want to fight corruption, do so within the appropriate constitutional provisions except we say the constitution of Nigeria is no longer binding on us. Once you breach the constitution, no mater how good your case is, you can't succeed in court. The approach of the DSS, no matter how good it looks to us, has already provided loopholes for lawyers to exploit. We all support the fight against corruption, but the approach in a democracy cannot be like in a military regime because there are no decrees to support it. We will eventually come to the constitution for interpretation.

Which law did the DSS violated? Read Administration of Criminal Justice Act (ACJA) 2015.
Law enforcement can use bulldozer to remove your front gate anytime of the night to enter your house and execute a warrant of arrest.
Afe Babalola, like every other judges didnt say that the DSS broke any law, he was saying they can't prosecute a sitting judge. Its up to NJC to suspend them. You cant stop law enforcement agent from doing their work.

Please you people should stop all these rule of laws you always quote when a corrupt person is arreseted. I pray one day you wont be a victim of corruption. (God forbid) Imagine your wife in the hospital sick and in need of oxygen and the only available cylinder has been rented out by the Chief Medical Director of the government hospital.

frisky2good:
Not only a judge. Even policemen have to face orderly room trial before being taken to court. Erring soldiers face court martial before being taaken to court. You can never get a conviction against a serving military officer in any law court. The law is the law.

You are correct; Army, Police, NJC have jursidiction over their personel. However, they do not have immunity from arrest and interogation.
They will can be arrested if they commit crime. They will be given bail. NCJ still have to release judges that committed crime for criminal proceedings.

dotedote:
May God punish Due Process
Did the judges follow the due process when they were abusing our trust?

Amen and amen...May this rubbish due process that some depraved kleptomaniacs and their cronies are singing be punished. If this is the type of due process Lee Kuan Yew followed in Singapore will Singapore be what it is today? If this was the due process Jerry Rawlings followed in Ghana will Ghana be the toast of investors today...Rubbish!

This is stupid due process some fools in this country have been singing for over a decade and look at where we are today...May this due process and rule of law that is only compatible with corruption, avarice, embezzlement, perversion of justice and utter disregard for humanity be cursed!

wirinet:
God punish democracy. amadioha fire democracy that allows the rich to get away with any and all crimes, while subjecting the masses to untold sufferings and hardship. Songo punish a democracy that privilege elected officers with over 70% of our collective sweat and still steal the remaining 30% share of the masses.
Yes the judiciary is losing legitimacy and only executive has the powers and resources to save the situation. The day the executive loses legitimacy, then a coup will be justified. For example, the minute the Shonekan government lost legitimacy, Abacha overthrew him without any opposition.

If you allege buhari is not clean or his cabinet as a whole has heen indicted, why not put forward your accusations with evidence.

Stop throwing up the red herring of Fulani herdsmen, Fulani herdsmen menace did not start during this administration, they were killing farmers all over the middle belt during Jonathan's reign.

How do you want Buhari to achieve convictions, is he a judge? What do you want the executive to do when our judiciary refuses to convict " big men" because they have stolen enough money to hire 10 SANs and bribe judges with millions of dollars. Have you ever seen a judge sentence a big man to appreciable jail time in Nigeria? It is always plea bargain or hospital rest for the few that have ever been "convicted" Ibori was cleared of all charges, only to admit to the crimes in the UK.

Is your head ok ? Why are you quoting me with all these cursing? Go and play with your coevals

Firefire:
Have you heard the story from the angle of NJC?

Nigerians and one-sided judgement.

WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEM SINCE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE NJC MEMBERS WERE SWAPPED FOR CHIBOK GIRLS. THEY HAVE SUDDENLY DISSAPEARED FROM THE EARTH SURFACE

efficiencie:
Amen and amen...May this rubbish due process that some depraved kleptomaniacs and their cronies are singing be punished. If this is the type of due process Lee Kuan Yew followed in Singapore will Singapore be what it is today? If this was the due process Jerry Rawlings followed in Ghana will Ghana be the toast of investors today...Rubbish!

This is stupid due process some fools in this country have been singing for over a decade and look at where we are today...May this due process and rule of law that is only compatible with corruption, avarice, embezzlement, perversion of justice and utter disregard for humanity be cursed!

God bless you my brother, I am happy we still have people like you who Abhors criminals and criminality inspite of religious, ethnic, party or personal considerations.
Since 1999, whenever an elite, whether political, business, religious or even social elite is arrested for a crime, their defense is usually political witch hunt, due process, jurisdiction, and lots of useless arguments. They never even attempt to plead their innocence. They always go scot free using technicalities without even going into the substance of the cases. There was only a small demo under Obasanjo where the then IG was given 6 months luxurious rest and Alamiesiegha was given 6 months bed rest. Even Igbenedion that was proven to have stolen billions was told to pay a few million naira as fine and then go and enjoy the rest. Meanwhile a poor man caught stealing an ordinary phone would be sentenced to 12 years in prison.
I am so angry sane people would come out and defend these judges.

Jirate:
But why is it difficult for you to understand what the SAN is saying, Follow Due Process. Simple, Any other way will meet a dead End.
To use your Example, if a Police man shoot a Judge dead, his colleagues will arrest him, Dismiss Him from the service First, before taking him to Court for Trial.
The NJC must dismiss them first before they can be Brought before another Judge and tried like any common offender.
What Buhari has done now is Putting the Cart before the Horse, it doesn't work that way.

Follow due process? No policeman in his sanity wil arrest any judge. What these lawyers or liars are telling gullible Ngerians is that the DSS cannot carry out police duties. Unfortunately, they did not tell us that the Nigerian Constituition gave wider powers to the DSS than other intelligence or paramilitary organisation because it is a police organisation.

wirinet:
God bless you my brother, I am happy we still have people like you who Abhors criminals and criminality inspite of religious, ethnic, party or personal considerations.
Since 1999, whenever an elite, whether political, business, religious or even social elite is arrested for a crime, their defense is usually political witch hunt, due process, jurisdiction, and lots of useless arguments. They never even attempt to plead their innocence. They always go scot free using technicalities without even going into the substance of the cases. There was only a small demo under Obasanjo where the then IG was given 6 months luxurious rest and Alamiesiegha was given 6 months bed rest. Even Igbenedion that was proven to have stolen billions was told to pay a few million naira as fine and then go and enjoy the rest. Meanwhile a poor man caught stealing an ordinary phone would be sentenced to 12 years in prison.
I am so angry sane people would come out and defend these judges.

My brother will you blame all these thieves stealing our money...you will not blame them. Rather we should blame the ethnocentric, religious and bigoted ordinary Nigerians who have gained nothing from ethnicity, religion or bigotry but yet allow these pull a blindfold over their eyes and all of a sudden they think they have an opinion that rivals those who can see with their eyes wide open...It is these ordinary Nigerians that make these thieves feel like super stars...Imagine people talking of rule of law, in a country where one man carted with billions of dollars that was meant for the procurement of weapons! Imagine people talking of rule of law, in a country where scores of people are slipping below the poverty line simply because the educational, economic and social foundations of the country are falling apart all thanks to the corruption of a few!

My brother as i type i am so angry that i feel like executing some people...and i am even angrier that Nigerians who have a brain in their heads think the DSS should have done otherwise!

If a sick law that allows the rich get away with crimes of national consequences and punishes severely the poor involved in petty misdemeanor must be breached to make the rich as well as the poor face the scales and the sword of the justice equally then such a law must and will be breached!

pedel:
And in your expanded knowledge injustice /justice simply means thinking with the head?
What about corruption? Thinking with your anus?

You're such a pathetic fellow! Just take a look at your comments and the reactions that followed.

Manspeaks:
You're such a pathetic fellow! Just take a look at your comments and the reactions that followed.

We know your like. Supporter of anything corrupt and anti-good news about Nigeria.

Aren't you happy that fraud charges against the Senate leadership were dropped? Aren't you supporting pej against the efcc in relation to money laundering charges? What about pipeline vandalism, you are happy.

If a judge collected bribe and perverse the path of justice and you people are shouting rule of law, which rule of law did he follow to criminally enrich himself?

Please for posterity sake support the fight against corruption so that you and your future generations can have a good life. Posterity will judge you.

Having said all that, I want you to know that you are pathetic and miserable and that goes to every one hoping to reap any reward on you in future.

pedel:
We know your like. Supporter of anything corrupt and anti-good news about Nigeria.

Aren't you happy that fraud charges against the Senate leadership were dropped? Aren't you supporting pej against the efcc in relation to money laundering charges? What about pipeline vandalism, you are happy.

If a judge collected bribe and perverse the path of justice and you people are shouting rule of law, which rule of law did he follow to criminally enrich himself?

Please for posterity sake support the fight against corruption so that you and your future generations can have a good life. Posterity will judge you.

Having said all that, I want you to know that you are pathetic and miserable and that goes to every one hoping to reap any reward on you in future.

I am not like you who believe everything on the pages of Newspapers. I am a reasonable person who wait to hear from both sides of the case before making any judgment. It is because of people like you who believe everything being dished out to the public by the government that Nigeria has remained this way. It is very obvious you are not an objective fellow, so get a life.

pedel:
Stop thinking with your dick. Afe did not say they can not be arrested. Assuming a judge drove recklessly and kill a member of your family and police officer witness the crime. Will you tell the police officer not to effect his arrest or charge him to court for reckless driving and public endangerment? This is how it goes: 1. You commit the crime, 2. We gather the evidence, 3. We invite or arrest. 4. If you happen to be a judge; NCJ is informed (because there could be cases pending in your court and they have to assign another judge) 5. You have your day in court.
Being a judge doesn't exempt you from criminal prosecution. As far as these people are concerned; NJC was informed. There has been correspondence between DSS and Judiciary.

These people knew there is a case against them. They planned to get interlocutory injunction against the DSS, on Monday, to stay them from prosecuting or arresting them. That was why they went over the weekend.
Try and get a copy of Administration of Criminal Justice Act (ACJA) 2015 and read. President GEJ signed it to law last year.
DSS didn't break the law. They can arrest the president the same way; if he try to breach national security. I am a police supritendent and I have just contributed to you education.

Re-read my post! Afe said that they should be disrobed and sacked by NJC before prosecution, but your emotionally charged encephalon would not let see through that logic. Afe is an authority not YOU!! Stay on the subject, which what Afe stated not your work!!

JumiR:
Legal luminary Chief Afe Babalola (SAN) has said it was wrong for the Department of State Services(DSS) to take over Police duties, while decrying the method the security agency used in arresting judges over alleged corruption. Speaking during the foundation-laying ceremony of the new Ekiti State High Court at the Judiciary Headquarters, Fajuyi, Ado Ekiti, the state capital, Babalola said: “I am very sad about the attack on judges when they are not common criminals they have not run outside the country. The following day, you released them on bail, why did you harass their families?




“It is a trite law that process of the court can’t be served after 7pm. Even if the DSS had the arrest warrant, they should not have gone on midnight raid of the houses of the judges. “The NJC has the power to promote, appoint and discipline judges, this was done to ensure independence of that arm. So, I expect them to have approached the NJC. How can you arrest a sitting Supreme Court judges and took him to magistrate court for trial? That could only be done after they have been removed. If these people have facts that they are corrupt, they should approach the Judicial Council. How can you arrest a sitting judge and hand him over to a magistrate to try him? Anywhere in the world, you don’t try a sitting judge; you first remove him from office before taking him to court. If you catch a masquerade, you first take the regalia off him.”



http://dawntodusknews.com/afe-babalola-speaks-arrest-judges/

This kind of dull mind is what is described as a "Legal Luminary" in your country? What a joke! Look at how many mistakes (the bolded) a supposed legal genius made in just two paragraphs. No wonder your country is in such a terrible state if such dull minds are being accorded so much respect.

The old generation destroyed your country and they want things to continue the same way. The truth is, these class of men despise the same poor people who ignorantly come to their support all the time. Can you imagine his describing the Judges as "important and noble criminals" (These are my own words since this supposedly sane Lawyer insists that they ARE NOT "COMMON CRIMINALS" ) so they should be treated differently. "They did not run away"- This crazy lawyer yells. So, they should be allowed to flee the country like Diezani and co before their homes are raided? Or they should be "invited" so they can hide every evidence before going to the DSS office? Maybe this attorney is also a criminal . He sounds very much like it.

I always say theres something wrong, mentally, with Nigerians because no matter how educated they come across they always sound crazy when it comes to common everyday societal topics.

femarse:
you are a fool for this response
the Nigeria Constitution says only the president ,vice president governors and there deputies have access to imunity and that immunity does not even prevent them from been prosecuted if they comit a criminal offense
which part of your law says that judges are entitle to immunity to?

na wa for u o,so the best u can do is to call me a fool?