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Spy360:
Trendlona, Raumdeuter

What's your point really? Is it that

1. Arsenal shouldn't have carried out the stadium project but should have just focused on winning titles as before? Or that...

2. Arsene should still have won titles irrespective of the quality of players available, so by not doing so he is not good enough?

raumdeuter:
How was Bayern richer than Arsenal based on what you are seeing there?

Who were the players injured 90% of that season and who were their replacements. How many of those leicester players will Arsenal buy to replace theirs

TRendlona:
My point is that Arsenal is not ready to make a great change. They are complacent.

kokaneprodigy:
Nobody is saying the teams in that period were good enough, everyone knew this, we were a selling club nurturing young and selling them once they mature.
going into the season we were always written off and that points to the fact that Wenger over achieved with those players. Particularly when you look at how much some rivals have spent and the so called quality they claim to have on paper and they still find it difficult to make it to Europe.

Spy360:
You called it complacency. For us, we are allowing a group of young players mature together.

Changing personel every season does no good to team play. A new signing that disrupt team balance, that is why a good manager must carefully pick.

Take Liverpool's signing of Benteke as an example. Or Gotze to Bayern.

MrDojo:
Arsenal board know why they kept wenger ( they'll take what he has done over the years over some trophies )

I may not like him as I used to, but I cannot deny the fact that the man is a superb manager.

The reason he survived till now is becuz he met the board's expectations, for 5-f years I'll transfer budget was just 20M ( we never bought a player above 16M until cazorla I think ), we had extremely average players yet top 4 is sure, we sold our best players and Captain every season because we were trying to payback debts. For the record trophies were not our piority during this period everyone knows ( whether you admit it or not, Idgaf ).

With the signing of ozil over selling days were behind us, since we started splashing the cash again @ least we got 4 trophies ( 2 FA and 2 shields ).

Imagine making top 4 with players like djourou,senderos,denilson,chamakh,andre santos,eboue,Lord bendtner, etc

Abeg wenger tried, could he have done better? Maybe.

Imagine with the millions of pounds United, liverpool and chelsea have spent, they drop out of top4 or even 8.

Like him or hate him, he will go down as one of the best EPL mangers of all time.

And yes Madrid wanted him at one point barca too, psg and bayern, even fergie said he wanted wenger to be his successor @ one point ( please google it I dnt have a link for you I read it on goal or somewhere, I'm not giving you BS facts )

Spy360:
MrDojo no vex abeg, I don tire to explain this issue so I decided to use it to answer trendlona while highlihting some salient points.

elrony:

See them manufacturing and branding excuses for failure!!!!....
wailing Gayners!!!!

kokaneprodigy:
Na Sod dey fall my hand pass on this matter, quite alright Wenger could be stubborn at times, but bulk of the blame for those trophyless years should be put on the owners of the club and Wenger should be cut some slack. I reiterate Wenger over achieved with those lads that period, making it to UCL and never crashing out in the group stages against all odds. No matter how lean and inexperienced the squad was he never played the Europa. I see him as someone that placed the club's ambition at the time before his personal ambition.

With the books now looking good At least he's now turning up, we've spent over 50M on 2 experienced DMs this year alone, he signed experienced CB and CF and brought two younger players to be nurtured in CB(Rob Holding) and CF (Asano) depts as well, he sent players with potential but surplus to requirements on loan instead of selling them. This is someone that really cares abt the club's future and not some mercenary.

chrisley024:
A manager that has always been among the top paid managers in the world sacrificed his career for Arsenal
Either this guy is underage or he spews anything to delude himself and his fellow fans.

Spy360:
Don't let Liverpool beat you, if not...

Ana ma chi ochi...

TRendlona:
If you wouldn't rate Wenger's performance as a failure then don't compare Arsenal with big teams again. Arsenal should be compared with the likes of Everon, Villarreal, Moncheglabach, Napoli etc

TRendlona:
If you wouldn't rate Wenger's performance as a failure then don't compare Arsenal with big teams again. Arsenal should be compared with the likes of Everon, Villarreal, Moncheglabach, Napoli etc

TRendlona:
If you wouldn't rate Wenger's performance as a failure then don't compare Arsenal with big teams again. Arsenal should be compared with the likes of Everon, Villarreal, Moncheglabach, Napoli etc

solomonbrown64:
Careful there mate, I wouldn't add everyone to that list.
... Some of us here know that Arsene might have Been a very good manager in terms of resources but he didn't sacrifice nothing for this club.

.... His salary of eight million a year was untouched, rather the fans have been the one doing such a sacrifice with the high ticket fees asked of them over the years. .

.... So some times when my fellow fans put Wenger and Sacrifice together, I just laugh.

.... He was loyal yes but who wouldn't be for eight million a year?

elrony:
Solomonbrown64, did you say Wenger was "Loyal"?.

He's been hustling and getting paid,that's all!

Spy360 talking about "sacrifice",like Wenger collected half salary for one year!... onye nmanya!

Spy360:
Onye odekwu

Spy360:
Real and PSG wanted him and would even pay higher. Why on earth do you think FA wants him to coach England?

Think, before the Stadium Project, he won titles, doubles, unbeaten, got to UCL finals where he lost narrowly despite down to 10men against Barca.

It was when the project began that the titles stopped and focus moved to finishing 4th. Paying the debt meant selling his best players, getting no more transfer funds etc.

How many times must I explain this?

If you rate him as a failure well that's your opinion but it's irrelevant. Those to whose opinions are relevant think he is the best.

So sorry.

elrony:
Solomonbrown64, did you say Wenger was "Loyal"?.

He's been hustling and getting paid,that's all!

Don't mind Spy jawe, he sacrificed but couldn't let a pound drop from his salary...

elrony:
Plus Nkwobi =Confam!!!!

solomonbrown64:
Look mate, you misinterpret what I wrote earlier...
.... I never said he was a failure, I actually said he managed our resources well especially around the stadium debt period but I am only saying that he didn't sacrifice nothing to the new state of the club today...

...... And please stop with the line of Psg wanted him and all that. Not leaving us for those clubs wasn't a sacrifice, it was just a choice. Besides, he was well paid by his employers at Arsenal and given free rein, the kind of power some certain managers will kill for today..

.... Leicester city won the league with average players, hell, Athletico Madrid did the same thing in Spain with an average squad too. So the talk on stadium debt stopping him from getting tropics is stale and not an excuse at all...

.... Wenger is a good manager no doubt but he didn't sacrifice anything to where the club is today, that's my point.

TRendlona:
If you wouldn't rate Wenger's performance as a failure then don't compare Arsenal with big teams again. Arsenal should be compared with the likes of Everon, Villarreal, Moncheglabach, Napoli etc