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Akdegreat:
Yes I agree with you. But I was an 'active' Christian. I was captain in our children department then. I participated and represented RCCG East 1 province in children's bible quiz severally, even at National convention in the camp. I was an active chorister. I used to sweep and clean the church premises every Saturday with my parents and siblings. Anyone who knows me can attest.

Seun:
From the Christian perspective, heaven and hell are real, so your argument about "if heaven and hell are real blah blah" is irrelevant.

otemanuduno:
Yahweh? That guy's so daft. Imagine how he let someone like me worship him as the Almighty God for a greater part of my life Now that I've seen the truth, I am here to reveal it to all that YAHWEH IS SATAN. I am very happy right now for the Op, losing his belief in Yahweh as God Almighty, as opposed to Kingebukasblog, 4everGod and Mrpresident1 whose eyes are still covered with the darkness of the veil of yahweh(Satan). I pray they see the light soon, AMEN!

jonbellion:
. It also has a number of denominations so how are you sure Catholics are wrong or protestants. After all all other denominations broke out of the catholic church so it is only rational for a catholic to see other denominations as heresy. If you were alive during the inquisition you would have been burnt to the stake if you practised a different christian doctrine(heresy) what of Christianity is wrong, what if Protestantism is wrong What if Mormonism is right. I personally don't see how people can be Mormons but yet people still believe that doctrine that is the power of delusion what if the methodists are right or what if Islam is right you are failing to consider other religions and other christian denominations not to mention I am yet to understand how you guys are 100% comfortable with an innocent man being punished so you a guilty person can escape accountability. You are not even guilty cuz you weren't born during the time of Christ. Another immoral thing punishing people for the sins they didn't commit. You guys call it "original sin" or "adamic nature" this is total bull! How does this make sense A perfect being would not advocate such an immoral flawed system. How would you like it if you an innocent person were brutally punished for the crimes of a rapist. Yet this is what the entire christian doctrine is based upon. I'm sure if we had a chance to save jesus Christ that you claim to love so much you wouldn't save him. Why? cuz that'll means you would be responsible for your own wrongdoing and yet Christianity claims to be moral. We don't practice that kind of barbaric law in our judiciary simply because it makes no sense and is not moral.
If God wanted to forgive our sins he could have just forgiven them. He didn't have to send his son to be tortured and killed. A perfect being would know better

Raydos:
i want to ask three questions!


(1) how often do you fast?


(2) do you pray at least 10times a day?


(3) do you distance yourself from sin?


you don't do all these things and you expect GOD to show itself to you! - scientists have tried their best to find where GOD is really is but all to no avail so they conclude that there's no GOD!


just because people Don't see GOD Face to face so they have a mere intuition that GOD Doesn't exist - but funny enough you people have never seen devil in person yet you believe he exist, every bad thing that happen to you, you believe its always the handiwork of devil.

try to do all those 3 aforementioned list up there, and i asure you that GOD will see you in spirit and he will make you understand everything.

i am a living testimony

femi4:
These are works....works doesn't save, it only brings familiarity. You ve been reading many literatures, but these are mere LETTERS, logical reasoning and conclusion. LETTER kills, but the spirit gives LIFE.

When the true encounter comes.....you will come to the knowledge of the truth via the spirit.

Deesquare01:
people are just desperate to do.anything for worldly pleasure... God have mercy... God is forcing no body to believe in Him, He's only interested in our soul for our own good.

olagbemi118:
kip this at the back of ur mind: a fool says in his heart, there is no God...I almost became a fool like u r becoming. so, I understand ur stand. Ur search for knowledge brought u to this point. With much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief

ephemmex22:
Atheist believes there is no God. But, do they believe there no devil also?

Wilgrea7:
i think you guys are misinterpreting this faith works stuff.. faith in God is good... but what Jesus terms as faith in Jesus isn't just believing he exists.. its also obeying his laws.. if u don't obey his laws then you don't have faith in him..
concerning works... by their fruits u shall know them... if u can't portray good works then whose fruit are you and how will people know

cloudgoddess:
I know this feeling and it's beautiful. A sense of humbleness and connectedness, combined with wonder, curiosity, and a deep appreciation for life, earth, and this universe.

From this standpoint the Abrahamic worldview just looks far too human-centric, egotistical, and greedy. Not to mention boring.

Lennycool:
That's religious indoctrination my friend. Years of brain washing as a child.

http://godisimaginary.com

Break the chain.

Seun:
Um, I don't seem to have experienced what you folks are talking about. Becoming an atheist didn't take me to cloud 9 or anything like that.

Wilgrea7:
eternity is endless... but eternity is now.. everything now is eternity... we are already in eternity.. time is just a measurement of events in eternity.

ElsonMorali:
You are trying to understand the limitless and infinite God with your limited and finite mind.

That will never happen. I can assure you of that. I may have a solution though. But It's in your interest to keep searching. Always better If you found it yourself with the help of God.

The solution lies in the Bible. You only need to know where to search for it. Keep searching.

tosyne2much:
Well, I believe there's God even though His existence could be sometimes questionable

BTW, Akdegreat, you're one of my most respected Nairalanders.

dalaman:
Bla bla bla. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

femi4:
I talked about experience, you are talking about faith. I ve moved beyond faith. I m experiencing it. Until you experience it, you can be easily swept away by any literature, doctrine or letters.

You can have good works yet you don't know him. Nobody get saved by WORKS. Cornelius was a good man. he gave to the poor bla bla...yet he knew something was missing until he got the experience.

You can be working for God without knowing the God of the work. That's religion! I call them ACTIVITIES.

Brigham:
If God truly exist I can tell you he's not the God of the Bible or any other scriptures.

MizMyColi:
The three people you just quoted aren't atheists.....most people who reject the "Nigerian" God and indeed a very large chunk of belief in the typical Christian God in our world as we know it would rather call themselves Atheist.

You, in every sense of the word, are an atheist.

They, on the other hand are evolving into something that's beyond atheism....something their intellectual faculties cannot give satisfying explanation to.....The Real Deal.

They may be atheists outwardly, but at the core of their beings, they aren't.

sekundosekundo:
You are an Atheist in disguise trying hard to spoil the mind of so many Christians. But I want you to understand that there's God and there's Satan. It's not by force to worship God, the choice is yours but as for me a former atheist, I HAVE MY MIND MADE UP AND I WILL NOT LOOK BACK IN WORSHIPING GOD.

melejo:
Brother, he got you. He was able make you confess that you were never really a Christian. All the above listed attributes and activities of yours does not make anyone a Christian. I really like your politeness but if this statements are what made you call yourself a Christian. It means you were never one.

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

sekundosekundo:
Don't mind him, he's an atheist. I was one of them so I can't be deceived.

Akdegreat:
If you don't mind, take your time and read my original posts. Then come back and examine what you just typed here. I'm expressing myself without hiding my identity.