sweetgala:


That is a fact. Democracy is not organised neither is it cheap. Democracy relies on 10 people coming to a consensus on a decision 3-4 well informed individuals can make. 1

The ill discipline of democrats world wide and self serving nature of politicians also makes it impossible for the best interests of the people to be served even in progressive advanced countries the politicians are same it is just the judicial system is there to keep things in check

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I'm surprised at our line of thought. Nigeria was progressing before Military intervention in 1966. That alone brought about a spiral fall.

I dare say that the performance of Awolowo alone dwarfs the contribution of ALL Military Administrators in the west COMBINED.

Lagos started seeing progress immediately Jakande took over but went bad again when Military came in.

Lagos became progressive since the coming of Tinubu(Civilian) in 1999, who helped midwife a system that has ensured progress.

What has been the contribution of the military in Anambra, Akwa Ibom, Kano, Kaduna and Rivers states? Can it be compared to civilians?

BTW who took over as civilians in 1999? Are they not the military boys and their stooges in Agbada?

That Nigeria hasn't made relative progress is the fault of the populace that kept on electing mediocre and defending THIEVES. It isn't the system.


BTW OP all those institutions you mentioned were left to rot by the same military.

obailala:
You can hardly find any developed country globally that became developed under a democracy.

you dey use hardly find? me go talk sey there is none.

OlujobaSamuel:
you dey use hardly find? me go talk sey there is none.

I only used 'hardly' so as to have room for maneuver. Truth is, I know no single developed country which became developed under democratic rule. Democracy is confusion!

TonyeBarcanista:
I'm surprised at our line of thought. Nigeria was progressing before Military intervention in 1966. That alone brought about a spiral fall.

I dare say that the performance of Awolowo alone dwarfs the contribution of ALL Military Administrators in the west COMBINED.

Lagos started seeing progress immediately Jakande took over but went bad again when Military came in.

Lagos became progressive since the coming of Tinubu(Civilian) in 1999, who helped midwife a system that has ensured progress.

What has been the contribution of the military in Anambra, Akwa Ibom, Kano, Kaduna and Rivers states? Can it be compared to civilians?

BTW who took over as civilians in 1999? Are they not the military boys and their stooges in Agbada?

That Nigeria hasn't made relative progress is the fault of the populace that kept on electing mediocre and defending THIEVES. It isn't the system.


BTW OP all those institutions you mentioned were left to rot by the same military.

I was working with Ferrostaal AG that built ALSCON untill OBJ took over govt in 1999

Gwarinpa estate built by sani abacha was sold by OBJ govt

When do you think Ajaokuta was abandoned? Check it

I worked with Daewoo in Bonny during the construction of NLNG train 6 facilitated by Abacha govt,

The University Teaching Hospital formerly Ibom specialist hospital the only tertiary hospital in Akwa Ibom was built by Abacha

obailala:
I only used 'hardly' so as to have room for maneuver. Truth is, I know no single developed country which became developed under democratic rule. Democracy is confusion!

US UK China Germany South korea Singapore Norway Sweden et al became develop under what system of government? The military? No under democratic rule. That's the fact! Why Nigeria is different is because we vote mediocres and nt leaders, wE vote looters and not builders, we vote destroyers and nt keepers, we vote bandits and not protectors of our interests.... Thank you!

richidinho:


I was working with Ferrostaal AG that built ALSCON untill OBJ took over govt in 1999

What was the performance of the firm before the takeover?

Gwarinpa estate built by sani abacha was sold by OBJ govt

That was the best decision just like the selling of 1004 Estate in Vi(Lagos) and other government properties in Ikoyi that was nothing to write home about until after the takeover. I knew how they were before and after the takeover.

When do you think Ajaokuta was abandoned? Check it

It has been DEAD since the days of the useless military

I worked with Daewoo in Bonny during the construction of NLNG train 6 facilitated by Abacha govt,

If NLNG was still under the Army, it would have been long gone just like the refineries and other institutions that were left to rot INCLUDING NNPC.

The University Teaching Hospital formerly Ibom specialist hospital the only tertiary hospital in Akwa Ibom was built by Abacha

Where were the military before that era?

Akinwerndey:
US UK China Germany South korea Singapore Norway Sweden et al became develop under what system of government? The military? No under democratic rule. That's the fact! Why Nigeria is different is because we vote mediocres and nt leaders, wE vote looters and not builders, we vote destroyers and nt keepers, we vote bandits and not protectors of our interests.... Thank you!

Exactly! Who killed NEPA and NITEL? Military.

Who said telephone is for the rich? Military (David Mark)

Who took us backward with coup in 1966? military

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Lalasticlala whr @ thou

TonyeBarcanista:

What was the performance of the firm before the takeover?

Almost 20,000 youths were earning their living there


That was the best decision just like the selling of 1004 Estate in Vi(Lagos) and other government properties in Ikoyi that was nothing to write home about until after the takeover. I knew how they were before and after the takeover.

Where did the proceed go to?

It has been DEAD since the days of the useless military


If NLNG was still under the Army, it would have been long gone just like the refineries and other institutions that were left to rot INCLUDING NNPC.


Where were the military before that era?

Abacha served in the millitary regime

richidinho:


Abacha served in the millitary regime

Stop adding comments to my post. Thanks

TonyeBarcanista:
Exactly! Who killed NEPA and NITEL? Military.

Who said telephone is for the rich? Military (David Mark)

Who took us backward with coup in 1966? military

our democracy just need massive restructuring n the populaCe needs wider levels of democratic orientation. We dnt hold our leaders accountable nd that's why they are taking us for granted. Imagine the mediocrity of our legislators but yet not even one has been recalled from his/constituency for gross misconduct or misrepresentation.

DropShot:

There's so much more done by the military. Our politicians are wicked and it's surprising we have people who will die to defend the corrupt ones.

People like you

Akinwerndey:
our democracy just need massive restructuring n the populaCe needs wider levels of democratic orientation. We dnt hold our leaders accountable nd that's why they are taking us for granted. Imagine the mediocrity of our legislators but yet not even one has been recalled from his/constituency for gross misconduct or misrepresentation.

Don't mind Nigerians. The beauty of democracy is that the masses will always bear the consequences or reward of their action at the poll.

Akinwerndey:
US UK China Germany South korea Singapore Norway Sweden et al became develop under what system of government? The military? No under democratic rule. That's the fact! Why Nigeria is different is because we vote mediocres and nt leaders, wE vote looters and not builders, we vote destroyers and nt keepers, we vote bandits and not protectors of our interests.... Thank you!

Lol... You must be kidding right?.. UK, China, Germany, Singapore became developed under democracies?

TonyeBarcanista:


If NLNG was still under the Army, it would have been long gone just like the refineries and other institutions that were left to rot INCLUDING NNPC.

This particular one has absolutely nothing to do with Military or Democracy. The only reason NLNG is functional and profitable today is because it is operated by a multinational Shell. Pass the control to government (democracy or not) and NLNG would be history and another national liability. Democracy or military, I can't point out any single thing which works under Nigerian government control; if you know any please tell me.

richidinho:
Without borrowing up to $5bn, and crude oil price less than $20, were they really corrupt?

Aluminum Smelter Company of Nigeria - Ikot Abasi

Iron Ore mining company -Itakpe, kogi state

Ajaokuta steel company, Ajaokuta- kogi state

Nigeria Liquified Natural Gas Company - Bonny Island

4 Refineries

National theatre - Lagos

28, 000 duplexes estate, Gwarinpa-Abuja

Specialist hospitals in each state of Nigeria

Festac Estate in Lagos

Tin Can Wharf - Lagos

Such amount spent to move Hqtrs to Abuja

3rd mainland bridge

These are the types of questions we need to start asking ourselves.

obailala:
You can hardly find any developed country globally that became developed under a democracy.

[size=13pt]You are a bloody liar.
USA,
Germany
France
etc became great as democracies.

Ibrahim Babangida and Olusegun Obasanjo were the ONLY military regimes that cared to develop Nigeria.

The others just looted Nigeria mindlessly.[/size]

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ibietela2:


People like you

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ImoRiver:
Because military rule is cheap and devoid of due process. No senate, no reps, no councilors, no PAs and all the leakages that have to do with democracy. Our democracy is heading to 18 years and we are yet to achieve 1/3rd of the infrastructures put in place by the military despite enjoying 7 years of mega oil boom between 2006 and 2014.

Best comment so far.

The military dont need the debate with anybody before building infrastructure.

In Fact they can afford to demolish millions of homes without compensation, to build a dual carriage road.

Does national assets where built and achieved out of committed leadership, which we have presently lost in leadership style/life of our present day leaders. At that time they where selfless leaders but now turned selfish leaders. More interested in family, communal and regional interest.

OreMI22:


You are a bloody liar.
USA,
Germany
France
etc became great as democracies.

Ibrahim Babangida and Olusegun Obasanjo were the ONLY military regimes that cared to develop Nigeria.

The others just looted Nigeria mindlessly.

The nations you mentioned did not become developed today, I wasn't referring to the system of government they practice today. Those countries you mentioned have been developed and civilised for over a century. Using Germany as a case study, I suppose Germany under the iron claws of Adolph Hitler and his NAZI party is part of the governments you refer to as a democracy right?.. Or probably a Monarchical system practiced in france or the UK in the past is what you refer to as democracy?

Akinwerndey:
oya tell me na? I laugh at ya blind argument

obailala:
Lol... You must be kidding right?.. UK, China, Germany, Singapore became developed under democracies?

oya tell me na? I laugh at ya blind argument

As most have said, the major issue with democracy is the cost. President has 36 ministers, each having aids, house of assembly also have their aids collecting salary, so yo have almost 1000 people feeding on national resources, and that is aside what they will loot. With military, you have maximum of 50 people looting (50 is even a stretch).
Military has its issues, and I still think democracy is the best, but we need to cut down waste, and elect competent people. So far, its from one clown to another

DropShot:
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Passingshot deadshot

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ibietela2:


Passingshot deadshot

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DropShot:
As noted by posters above, democracy has brought Nigeria unimaginable backwardness.

Give me a set of sincere military men any day anytime.

Democracy, in its present form, has got NOTHING GOOD to offer Nigeria. Our politicians have mastered how to manipulate the system.

Welcome home son, no more dropping of shit. Military remains the best in Nigeria.

TonyeBarcanista:
Exactly! Who killed NEPA and NITEL? Military.

Who said telephone is for the rich? Military (David Mark)

Who took us backward with coup in 1966? military

Lame! Lamer! Lamest! The military did wonders when compared to this pseudo democracy we now parade.

Useless country with absolutely brainless human beings. No wonder you people think and behave like monkeys.

obailala:
You can hardly find any developed country globally that became developed under a democracy.

This is nothing but an ignorant lie.

OreMI22:


[size=13pt]You are a bloody liar.
USA,
Germany
France
etc became great as democracies.

Ibrahim Babangida and Olusegun Obasanjo were the ONLY military regimes that cared to develop Nigeria.

The others just looted Nigeria mindlessly.[/size]

You are wrong OreMI22. Read the history of France, Germany and USA.