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akintom:
Another compilation of crapy and cracked pillars.

Golden rule or filthy rule?

I certainly will not allow myself, to be treated by a schizophrenic folk, who treats himself in schizophrenic realm.

Pls do not derail this thread. Your bile is not needed here. Thank you for your comment.

naijadeyhia:
Religion answers many questions we may have, and science does something similar. Science answers how. Religion answers why. In my opinion science and religion go hand in hand. The more science reveals about this world, the more it can strengthen our faith. The problem arises when people like you feel that science answers all of our questions. Like: How we got here. But it does not answer, why we are here, what is the purpose. Religion fills that hole, it explains God's purpose for the world, and why the world is in such a state. Why is the important question. How is interesting, but it's not everything. We need why, and can just add to our amazement. In my opinion Science will never replace religion as long as people are asking why, and religion will never replace science, as long a people ask how. Bottomline there can be no HOW without a WHY and Religion is the WHY!

You made a lot of sense but sadly, the war between religion and science might never end.

theoneJabulani:
seriously? We are talking about science and nature and u refer me to the bible?

Can you not understand simple english? I wrote in English my friend and not Spanish. If you do not understand posts then respond when you do and do not be in a hurry to respond when you do not. Thanks

theoneJabulani:
so AIs are perfect?

AIs are a perfect example of the existence of intelligence in Nature

Check out Cosmos and the Boston Dynamics Robot

See as Cosmos was emulated during the design of robodog . Can you clearly see what AI attempts to and still cannot produce a near perfect result . Yet Cosmos as complex as it is is seen by atheists as a product of chance but the robodog is hailed as intelligently designed .

Can you imagine the blatant denial

HenryDion:
You made a lot of sense but sadly, the war between religion and science might never end.

I am not expecting it to end. They are both beneficial to each other.

KingEbukasBlog:
Science says the universe has a cause and a beginning and you don't see it as an acceptance of a transcendent immaterial realm .

And did science call that beginning A God?

KingEbukasBlog:
AIs are a perfect example of the existence of intelligence in Nature

Check out Cosmos and the Boston Dynamics Robot

See as Cosmos was emulated during the design of robodog . Can you clearly see what AI attempts to and still cannot produce a near perfect result . Yet Cosmos as complex as it is is seen by atheists as a product of chance but the robodog is hailed as intelligently designed .

Can you imagine the blatant denial

Its appalling my brother...sadly appalling!

naijadeyhia:
Its appalling my brother...sadly appalling!

Its right in their faces , saying "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!" "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!"

Yet they turn their faces away in denial .

theoneJabulani:
And did science call that beginning A God?

Like i responded to lennycool let me post the same response to you and highlight where i feel is relevant :

Religion answers many questions we may have, and science does something similar. Science answers how. Religion answers why. In my opinion science and religion go hand in hand. The more science reveals about this world, the more it can strengthen our faith. The problem arises when people like you feel that science answers all of our questions. Like: How we got here. But it does not answer, why we are here, what is the purpose. Religion fills that hole, it explains God's purpose for the world, and why the world is in such a state. Why is the important question. How is interesting, but it's not everything. We need why, and can just add to our amazement. In my opinion Science will never replace religion as long as people are asking why, and religion will never replace science, as long a people ask how. Bottomline there can be no HOW without a WHY and Religion is the WHY!

Science is not expected to be the "God" approval we seek by naming Him God...The name God is just a descriptive and is in no way adequate to define or explain this great being.

It's why the greatest powers of the world, starting with the Roman empire, have always coveted Christianity and sought to control it. They know the power of conscious dependent belief is greater than political power. It's also why atheism was invented.

naijadeyhia:
Can you not understand simple english? I wrote in English my friend and not Spanish. If you do not understand posts then respond when you do and do not be in a hurry to respond when you do not. Thanks

thank you, bt do u seriously think u made sense by referring me to the bible? It is like u writing on a paper that u are God and using it as proof of ur divinity

naijadeyhia:
At the bolded. Can you list out these other "more efficient" sources?

Take as an example the issue of morality and doing good. Religion provides a very poor framework for this. It uses fear to promote the act of doing good. Religion forces people to do good for selfish reasons like avoiding hell and going to heaven. But if one puts religion aside and decides to actually have a precise comprehensive understanding of his world, he'd realize that we humans are all we have in this world, and caring for ourselves and promoting our survival is our duty. This is a more efficient foundation for morality and empathy.

Religion is also didactic. It instructs people to do good because someone in the sky says so. This leads to the creation of moral sheep who do things just because a religious book says so, without even knowing the true implication of doing that thing. It's more helpful and more efficient when someone actually understands why something is wrong, than just avoiding it because he has been instructed to.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its right in their faces , saying "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!" "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!"

Yet they turn their faces away in denial .

When i see such things it clearly shows there is a conspiracy theory somewhere. Its like denying the original US dollar note and settling for one printed on a HP printer.

GrizzlyBear:
Take as an example the issue of morality and doing good. Religion provides a very poor framework for this. It uses fear to promote the act of doing good. Religion forces people to do good for selfish reasons like avoiding hell and going to heaven. But if one puts religion aside and decides to actually have a precise understanding of his world, he'd realize that we humans are all we have in this world, and caring for ourselves and promoting our survival is our duty. This is a more efficient foundation for morality and empathy.

Religion is also didactic. It instructs people to do good because someone in the sky says so. This leads to the creation of moral sheep who do things just because a religious book says so, without even knowing the true implication of doing that thing. It's more helpful and more efficient when someone actually understands why something is wrong, than just avoiding it because he has been instructed to.

You still have not listed out your "more efficient sources". Thats what i asked for and not this. You zoomed in on morality which by the way "empathy" is a derivative of but is that all Religion is all about?

KingEbukasBlog:
Its right in their faces , saying "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!" "See evidence for an intelligent designer !!!"

Yet they turn their faces away in denial .

And who designed the intelligent designer? Please don't refer me to old threads

naijadeyhia:
You still have not listed out your "more efficient sources". Thats what i asked for and not this. You zoomed in on morality which by the way "empathy" is a derivative of but is that all Religion is all about?

Re-read my comment, I just highlighted the answer to your question, which surprisingly you couldn't identify.

GrizzlyBear:
Take as an example the issue of morality and doing good. Religion provides a very poor framework for this. It uses fear to promote the act of doing good. Religion forces people to do good for selfish reasons like avoiding hell and going to heaven. But if one puts religion aside and decides to actually have a precise understanding of his world, he'd realize that we humans are all we have in this world, and caring for ourselves and promoting our survival is our duty. This is a more efficient foundation for morality and empathy.

Religion is also didactic. It instructs people to do good because someone in the sky says so. This leads to the creation of moral sheep who do things just because a religious book says so, without even knowing the true implication of doing that thing. It's more helpful and more efficient when someone actually understands why something is wrong, than just avoiding it because he has been instructed to.

Rubbish . In atheist state North Korea , the juche ideology - a variant of Marxism-Leninism - is currently used to control the masses . Religious beliefs and practices are not tolerated .

In Juche ideology , the Supreme leader is an absolutist,The working class is not to think for themselves, but instead to think through the Great Leader. The Supreme Leader is the center of the masses . He is expected to be adulated and venerated . The ideology developed by these atheists have made it possible to control the masses .

Currently , children as early as in the kindergarten stage are being brainwashed . The citizens of North Korea are expected to wake up to the pictures of the Supreme Leader placed on their walls .

The atheists have managed to shroud their people from the outside world and control whatever information they obtain . Religious people who contravene these stringent rules against Religion are used to test military weapons , executed or used as sex slaves . If religion were a perfect tool for mass control, surely the North Koreans would have considered it

KingEbukasBlog:
Rubbish . In atheist state North Korea , the juche ideology - a variant of Marxism-Leninism - is currently used to control the masses . Religious beliefs and practices are not tolerated .

In Juche ideology , the Supreme leader is an absolutist,The working class is not to think for themselves, but instead to think through the Great Leader. The Supreme Leader is the center of the masses . He is expected to be adulated and venerated . The ideology developed by these atheists have made it possible to control the masses .

Currently , children as early as in the kindergarten stage are being brainwashed . The citizens of North Korea are expected to wake up to the pictures of the Supreme Leader placed on their walls .

The atheists have managed to shroud their people from the outside world and control whatever information they obtain . Religious people who contravene these stringent rules against Religion are used to test military weapons , executed or used as sex slaves . If religion were a perfect tool for mass control, surely the North Koreans would have considered it

u can lie fa

GrizzlyBear:
Re-read my comment, I just highlighted the answer to your question, which surprisingly you couldn't identify.

You seem not to understand what you are saying. For everything there is a beginning. How did the first moral act begin and who was it that judged it as right or wrong?

If you say it was our evolutionary conscience who still judged its dictates as right or wrong? There must have been some form of blueprint which acted as a scale of measurement otherwise good may as well be bad and vice versa.

If man were to be the sole authority for morality then mans idea of morality would have been selfish and self destructive as everyone would be after his own gain in accordance with the laws governing evolution such as the law of natural selection where the fittest must survive and the weak must die off.

If this be the case then why is man even good to man? Who cares if he isnt? If it is the societal laws that dictate, it still takes us back to the first sentence...who rated right as right and wrong as wrong when both could easily have been interchanged and everyone would assume it was all good.

Am i wrong?

GrizzlyBear:
Take as an example the issue of morality and doing good. Religion provides a very poor framework for this. It uses fear to promote the act of doing good. Religion forces people to do good for selfish reasons like avoiding hell and going to heaven. But if one puts religion aside and decides to actually have a precise comprehensive understanding of his world, he'd realize that we humans are all we have in this world, and caring for ourselves and promoting our survival is our duty. This is a more efficient foundation for morality and empathy.

Religion is also didactic. It instructs people to do good because someone in the sky says so. This leads to the creation of moral sheep who do things just because a religious book says so, without even knowing the true implication of doing that thing. It's more helpful and more efficient when someone actually understands why something is wrong, than just avoiding it because he has been instructed to.

This is how you see religion yet religious countries have the best economies in the world , Christians have more than half of the global wealth , 89.5 percent of Nobel laureates are religious , the religious carried out the most discoveries and the religious have made and are making the most outstanding inventions etc .

Atheists are known for discovering one of worst ideologies mankind have ever known - Marxism , Leninism , Communism , Stalinism , Maoism etc These ideologies founded by atheists are culpable for mass murder , mass suicide , and the worst form of abuse of human rights . Atheists without religion since the creation of man started making achievements from the 17th century . Atheism failed mankind . Say no to Atheism .

naijadeyhia:
Even those societies subscribe to the ideals already laid down by religion. No society grew from Barbarism to self subsistence while skipping Religion. Those who removed Religious ideals like freedom, tolerance, forgiveness, ended badly and we already know some of them.

And I've said time and time again. Morality influenced religion. Not the other way around. Human morality is separate from religion. And it advances with time.

theoneJabulani:
And who designed the intelligent designer? Please don't refer me to old threads

For logical reasons like infinite regress the intelligent designer is eternal . But the fact still remains that the universe has a cause and a beginning - this completely shows without doubt that it needed a creator .

Even if the universe is eternal , it does not impugn the existence of the creator . In philosophical propositions like panentheism , the universe is like the material manifestation of the creator , the creator serves as its soul .

KingEbukasBlog:
Rubbish . In atheist state North Korea , the juche ideology - a variant of Marxism-Leninism - is currently used to control the masses . Religious beliefs and practices are not tolerated .

In Juche ideology , the Supreme leader is an absolutist,The working class is not to think for themselves, but instead to think through the Great Leader. The Supreme Leader is the center of the masses . He is expected to be adulated and venerated . The ideology developed by these atheists have made it possible to control the masses .

Currently , children as early as in the kindergarten stage are being brainwashed . The citizens of North Korea are expected to wake up to the pictures of the Supreme Leader placed on their walls .

The atheists have managed to shroud their people from the outside world and control whatever information they obtain . Religious people who contravene these stringent rules against Religion are used to test military weapons , executed or used as sex slaves . If religion were a perfect tool for mass control, surely the North Koreans would have considered it

It's funny that you conveniently left out real secular countries like Denmark and Sweden that are living healthy, progressive lives despite their massive non subscription to religious beliefs.

And North Korea shouldn't be used as a poster child for an atheist country. North Korea is practicing another form of religion like you rightly pointed, where they worship their supreme leader. This isn't atheism. North Korea didn't become non-religious by critically examining their religious beliefs, it was forced on them. And the North Korean president isn't doing all he is doing on the basis of his atheism, he doing it for political reasons.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is how you see religion yet religious countries have the best economies in the world , Christians have more than half of the global wealth , 89.5 percent of Nobel laureates are religious , the religious carried out the most discoveries and the made outstanding inventions etc .

Atheists are known for discovering one of worst ideologies mankind have ever known - Marxism , Leninism , Communism , Stalinism , Maoism etc These ideologies founded by atheists are culpable for mass murder , mass suicide , and the worst form of abuse of human rights . Atheists without religion since the creation of man started making achievements from the 17th century . Atheism failed mankind . Say no to Atheism .

The reason for this is that when Man denies God HE DEVOLVES from man to being just a part of nature. This is why Atheism believes that there is nothing after this life and that when you die its all over so they quickly activate the law of natural selection which brought about Marxism, Leninism, Communism, Stalinism, Maosim etc. All these ideologies are selfish and only promote the strong and every opposer of their ideals are seen as the weak and must die off.

Say no to Atheism!

theoneJabulani:
u can lie fa

Stop accusing me of lying if you can't provide proof to rebut whatever have been said .

Lennycool:
And I've said time and time again. Morality influenced religion. Not the other way around. Human morality is separate from religion. And it advances with time.

Read my last reply to Grizzlybear

KingEbukasBlog:
For logical reasons like infinite regress the intelligent designer is eternal . But the fact still remains that the universe has a cause and a beginning - this completely shows without doubt that it needed a creator .

Even if the universe is eternal , it does not impugn the existence of the creator . In philosophical propositions like panentheism , the universe is like the material manifestation of the creator , the creator serves as its soul .

so what u are saying is that it's possible yahweh is not the creator?

Wait what... You didn't think this argument through
Religion actually divides more than it unites
Don't straw man my argument I never said that without religion there would be no evil but look at how often religion has been used to justify horrific acts. Adolf Hitler used religion to justify his genocide of the Jewish people. Slave owners used religion to justify their ownership of other human beings. Anti-desegregation advocates used religion to justify the separation of the races.religion has even been used to deny a need to address climate change. You know, because God controls the weather *facepalm*
Look at the Salem witch trials. Human beings were slaughtered all in the name of religion.
Militant Muslims and christians terrorising society. Religion kept women in the dark for so long
The Quran says you should beat your wife if she denies you sex and that in a court two women testifying is as good as one man. In Saudi Arabia women can't drive
The bible says it is a disgrace for a woman to speak in the church. The bible says a woman should be killed if when she was raped she didn't shout hard enough for anyone to hear
Selling your daughters to slavery, women marrying their rape victims, womens hands should be cut off if she touches her husbands opponents gentilals during a fight she was trying to separate The worst part is that apologetics would justify all this nonsense. Women weren't allowed in the early church choir for a long time. I'm really proud of what women have become in the society despite religious fundamentalists
Native Americans were treated like some kind of subhuman savages because they weren’t “good Christians.” So, what’s the best way religion told us to deal with non-Christian “savages”? Try to convert some, slaughter most of the rest, all while stealing their land.
Wow
For instance, how would one justify a stance against homosexuality without using religion?
What does religion ultimately boil down to? What happens to us after we die. Nawa
A world without organised religion A world where war was never waged simply because one group of people labeled themselves a different religion than another,Where people had to think for themselves as opposed to simply being told what to believe by somebody else.
I'm not saying religion is horrible but it has been perversed to the extreme. When I came back to Nigeria after my higher education I stayed with my uncle for a few weeks. A distant cousin of 10 years old couldn't pronounce the word "call" but she goes to school
Meanwhile she can say the 10 commandments by heart
Who the 10 commandments epp?
More like the 3.5 sensible commandments
Nigeria is about 158 in the human development index. That is very poor. That means that a lot of people live beyond minimum wage. And these are the people that need religion the most. But the idiot MOGs would rob them dry and build their empire on earth. Imagine charlatan oyedepo slapping a child and Nigerians were justifying such an imbecilic act. His sorry ass would have been sued in a developed country
Norway is no1 in the HDI and it's an atheistic country.
Sweden, Finland
Finland has the best educational system in the world
And in Nigeria we have 10 year olds that can't pronounce "call" but can say the commandments of a religion not meant for them. And it's this kind of people that will value religion the most. Would you even let your daughter marry an atheist. This is how religion divides lack of religion would unite people. Because what religion has ultimately done throughout human history is divide them. It’s one group of human beings telling another group of human beings that the god they can’t prove exists is more real than the god the other group of people can’t prove exists is.... And what happens when we die
Very stupid really
A world without religion wouldn't be perfect anyway but it'll be better
We wouldn’t have countries where millions of human beings are controlled, with basic human rights stripped away, by brutal theocracies,People wouldn’t be divided simply based on a label and all the horrors justified by religion would never have existed
Steven Weinberg summed it up when he said
"with or without religion you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things but for a good person to do evil things that takes religion"
Sooo OP if you think without religion the world would become a post-apocalyptic wasteland of anarchy...........

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop accusing me of lying if you can't provide proof to rebut whatever have been said .

what u typed has been murdered several times bt u refuse to change ur stance

GrizzlyBear:
It's funny that you conveniently left out real secular countries like Denmark and Sweden that are living healthy, progressive lives despite their massive non subscription to religious beliefs.

And North Korea shouldn't be used as a poster child for an atheist country. North Korea is practicing another form of religion like you rightly pointed, where they worship their supreme leader. This isn't atheism. North Korea didn't become non-religious by critically examining their religious beliefs, it was forced on them. And the North Korean president isn't doing all he is doing on the basis of his atheism, he doing it for political reasons.

And Hitler did his for the sake of Christianity right? I can feel your pain.

jonbellion:
Wait what... You didn't think this argument through
Religion actually divides more than it unites
Don't straw man my argument I never said that without religion there would be no evil but look at how often religion has been used to justify horrific acts. Adolf Hitler used religion to justify his genocide of the Jewish people. Slave owners used religion to justify their ownership of other human beings. Anti-desegregation advocates used religion to justify the separation of the races.religion has even been used to deny a need to address climate change. You know, because God controls the weather *facepalm*
Look at the Salem witch trials. Human beings were slaughtered all in the name of religion.
Militant Muslims and christians terrorising society. Religion kept women in the dark for so long
The Quran says you should beat your wife if she denies you sex and that in a court two women testifying is as good as one man. In Saudi Arabia women can't drive
The bible says it is a disgrace for a woman to speak in the church. The bible says a woman should be killed if when she was raped she didn't shout hard enough for anyone to hear
Selling your daughters to slavery, women marrying their rape victims, womens hands should be cut off if she touches her husbands opponents gentilals during a fight she was trying to separate The worst part is that apologetics would justify all this nonsense. Women weren't allowed in the early church choir for a long time. I'm really proud of what women have become in the society despite religious fundamentalists
Native Americans were treated like some kind of subhuman savages because they weren’t “good Christians.” So, what’s the best way religion told us to deal with non-Christian “savages”? Try to convert some, slaughter most of the rest, all while stealing their land.
Wow
For instance, how would one justify a stance against homosexuality without using religion?
What does religion ultimately boil down to? What happens to us after we die. Nawa
A world without organised religion A world where war was never waged simply because one group of people labeled themselves a different religion than another,Where people had to think for themselves as opposed to simply being told what to believe by somebody else.
I'm not saying religion is horrible but it has been perversed to the extreme. When I came back to Nigeria after my higher education I stayed with my uncle for a few weeks. A distant cousin of 10 years old couldn't pronounce the word "call" but she goes to school
Meanwhile she can say the 10 commandments by heart
Who the 10 commandments epp?
More like the 3.5 sensible commandments
Nigeria is about 158 in the human development index. That is very poor. That means that a lot of people live beyond minimum wage. And these are the people that need religion the most. But the idiot MOGs would rob them dry and build their empire on earth. Imagine charlatan oyedepo slapping a child and Nigerians were justifying such an imbecilic act. His sorry ass would have been sued in a developed country
Norway is no1 in the HDI and it's an atheistic country.
Sweden, Finland
Finland has the best educational system in the world
And in Nigeria we have 10 year olds that can't pronounce "call" but can say the commandments of a religion not meant for them. And it's this kind of people that will value religion the most. Would you even let your daughter marry an atheist. This is how religion divides lack of religion would unite people. Because what religion has ultimately done throughout human history is divide them. It’s one group of human beings telling another group of human beings that the god they can’t prove exists is more real than the god the other group of people can’t prove exists is.... And what happens when we die
Very stupid really
A world without religion wouldn't be perfect anyway but it'll be better
We wouldn’t have countries where millions of human beings are controlled, with basic human rights stripped away, by brutal theocracies,People wouldn’t be divided simply based on a label and all the horrors justified by religion would never have existed
Steven Weinberg summed it up when he said
"with or without religion you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things but for a good person to do evil things that takes religion"
Sooo OP if you think without religion the world would become a post-apocalyptic wasteland of anarchy...........

Please construct your sentences in a legible way so it would not put any strain on the eyes.

GrizzlyBear:
It's funny that you conveniently left out real secular countries like Denmark and Sweden that are living healthy, progressive lives despite their massive non subscription to religious beliefs.

Norway , Denmark and Sweden are Christian dominated countries . So what are you saying

And North Korea shouldn't be used as a poster child for an atheist country. North Korea is practicing another form of religion like you rightly pointed, where they worship their supreme leader. This isn't atheism. North Korea didn't become non-religious by critically examining their religious beliefs, it was forced on them. And the North Korean president isn't doing all he is doing on the basis of his atheism, he doing it for political reasons.

Juche Ideology is a political religion . Political religions are not state religions or the normal religion we know . They are tools used by totalitarian governments to control their masses . In simple terms , North Korea as an atheist state uses Juche Ideology to control its masses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism