alBHAGDADI:

It has been moved backed to the religion section. I believe that is fair enough cos the guy is no more a muslim, meaning that the thread should be in the religion section where his fellow atheists have a field day.

I believe the thread should grace the FP so as to balance up for the Christian to atheism thread that hit FP too.

better.... now I shall continue

Seun:
How is it possible that Satan does not believe that God exists? Hasn't he met with God many times according to what you believe?

Boda Seun
Atheism is a state of having NO God before you.
Literally, God is denied as NOT existing or is Miniscule while Self is placed above any one called God.

When you deny the authority of your Kabiesi and they ask you the name of your king, you will reply, "I have no king". This you will do even when this so called king is seated on the throne before you.

Atheism is the replacement of God with the god of Self!

It is called in modern English DEFIANCE!

no comment am enjoying hardmirror story of pastor to atheist... interesting..*walks out of yhread*

Heheheheh this is funny! OP please do not deviate from your story by bringing unnecessary historical conjectures, leave debate for Mu'tazilites, Kawareej, Boko Haram and whatever for another thread.
FYI what people are looking forward in this thread is a Hardmirrow kind of story, so please do not disappoint.

EazyMoh:
Heheheheh this is funny! OP please do not deviate from your story by bringing unnecessary historical conjectures, leave debate for Mu'tazilites, Kawareej, Boko Haram and whatever for another thread.
FYI what people are looking forward in this thread is a Hardmirrow kind of story, so please do not disappoint.

That is if he isn't making up a fictitious story

shadeyinka:


Boda Seun
Atheism is a state of having NO God before you.
Literally, God is denied as NOT existing or is Miniscule while Self is placed above any one called God.

When you deny the authority of your Kabiesi and they ask you the name of your king, you will reply, "I have no king". This you will do even when this so called king is seated on the throne before you.

Atheism is the replacement of God with the god of Self!

It is called in modern English DEFIANCE!

this platform is changing you

grownaira:


That is if he isn't making up a fictitious story

Already I can see numerous discrepancies in his story, but let's allow him to land first.

hopefulLandlord:


this platform is changing you

For the worse? LOL

The period of doubt


Silence and soberity isn't empty it's full of answers.......... Anonymous

Do not seek truth by men, first know the truth and you will know it's adherent.... Imam ali

My moment of doubt started during a long holiday, we had in my third year at the university. Every member of the house will leave, which makes me the only person staying at home . Before people will start thinking am lonely and sad and probably suggest that for the main reason for my atheism, let it be known that am used to been alone and am obsessed with reading, most especially philosophical books. It is through these books and a large amount of self contemplation that the doubt became intense. I had so many questions my religion can not answer.

I was convinced logically that there is no God but I held back because of testimonies of personal experience and miracles I had always heard. But on thinking deeper I realised I haven't witnessed any of these things first hand, I had only heard them from ear say, to put it in a more concise way I had never seen or experience anything that goes against the natural laws of nature. I prayed earnestly for God to revealed himself but I felt nothing, I became so worried and my anxiety increased.

I later reasoned that the only option I had left to contact God is the Quran and I have heard so many occasions and boastful remarks about the Quran. It is believed that it won't burn when in contact with fire. On a hot afternoon in the corner of my room, I prayed and told God this is the last chance he had to prove himself to me. I tore the first page of suratul yasin roll it, and light it up. Am sure u can guess what happened next (might post the pictures if u guys need it).

After that incident I resolved never to have anything to do again with God, religion, and spirituality again. I still held Islam and it's teaching In great esteem, but after the incident I began to see Islam from another perspective; it's totalitarian and intolerant nature, it's hostility against democracy, science and philosophy, the reduction of women to sex object, and the reduction of every contact between a male and a female to sex, the concept of good and evil, and of Paradise and hell and lastly the superiority and the infallibility of the Quran.

I would definitely talk about all this aspect of Islam but the time is what am lacking. Am still a university student, so I have to share my time and do what is right in time. I just hope u can all bear with me

"But admitting for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication—after this it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and 1 have only his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention.

When I am told that the Koran was written in heaven and brought to Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay evidence and second-hand authority as the former. 1 did not see the angel myself and, therefore, I have a right not to believe it" Thomas Paine. The age of reason

EazyMoh:

Already I can see numerous discrepancies in his story, but let's allow him to land first.

kindly named them sir

grownaira:


That is if he isn't making up a fictitious story

humans will always see what they wanted to see........am not putting this up, am not a writer, and it hasn't been easy putting this together and am a biochemistry student who is still in session.

let this guy finish d story na

EazyMoh:
Heheheheh this is funny! OP please do not deviate from your story by bringing unnecessary historical conjectures, leave debate for Mu'tazilites, Kawareej, Boko Haram and whatever for another thread.
FYI what people are looking forward in this thread is a Hardmirrow kind of story, so please do not disappoint.

you might not find that here pls. I have not personally been on that thread to see how it looks like, and I will tell my story just the way I want it

Theproudinfidel:



kindly named them sir

Don't worry I wouldn't want to contribute in draining your thread, just continue your story.
I might make a counter-thread if need arises.
*Modifed
Hnmn OP please continue.

Theproudinfidel:


humans will always see what they wanted to see........am not putting this up, am not a writer, and it hasn't been easy putting this together and am a biochemistry student who is still in session.

Carry on

Lol. Your story sounds like a typical christian-made up story to copy the devastating hardmirror story on Christian pastor to atheist. I can see wide holes in the tale, you obviously perceive Islam the way a Christian does, your description of some of your reasonings when you were a 'Muslim' are nothing to how a Muslim really thinks. I have seen stories about Muslims who have become atheists, this is not an authentic one...sorry. I advice that you do more research on Islam and Muslims before you try to pass yourself off as one.

Also, throwing in a phrase or two about zindeeq and mu'tazila 'sects' of Islam does not make your story more credible. It makes it less so (except to non-Muslims maybe). Imagine an illiterate entering a roomful of doctors and throwing around poorly understood medical terminology browsed off the internet? That is what your article sounds like, really.

But it is a free country, and like the quote says, "you can deceive some people all the time", so go ahead and continue doing so.

Theproudinfidel:
The period of doubt


Silence and soberity isn't empty it's full of answers.......... Anonymous

Do not seek truth by men, first know the truth and you will know it's adherent.... Imam ali


My moment of doubt started during a long holiday, we had in my third year at the university. Every member of the house will leave, which makes me the only person staying at home . Before people will start thinking am lonely and sad and probably suggest that for the main reason for my atheism, let it be known that am used to been alone and am obsessed with reading, most especially philosophical books. It is through these books and a large amount of self contemplation that the doubt became intense. I had so many questions my religion can not answer.

For the bolded, Islam, if really was/is your religion have answers to all your questions. You probably don't know the answers and haven't asked. Allah azza wa jal, in Surah Al'Anbiya says (what can be translated as) "...so ask the people of the knowledge, if you do not know". So ask your questions here, and those with knowledge will answer you.

I was convinced logically that there is no God but I held back because of testimonies of personal experience and miracles I had always heard. But on thinking deeper I realised I haven't witnessed any of these things first hand, I had only heard them from ear say, to put it in a more concise way I had never seen or experience anything that goes against the natural laws of nature. I prayed earnestly for God to revealed himself but I felt nothing

A primary one student in an Islamic school knows that the bolded above is not possible in this world. God does not reveal Himself to humans to be seen ra'yal ayn, not even to his Prophets and/or messengers. This forces one to wonder if if you even have at least a basic knowledge of Islam.

In Surah Al'A'raf, Allah azza wa jal says (what can be translated as ): "And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You can not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.".

Similarly, in surah Al'An'am, he azza wa jal says (what can be translated as): "Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."

I became so worried and my anxiety increased. I later reasoned that the only option I had left to contact God is the Quran and I have heard so many occasions and boastful remarks about the Quran. It is believed that it won't burn when in contact with fire.

For the bolded, Who believes that? Muslims I know do not believe in such. No where is it state in the Qur'an, Sunnah or any Islamic literature both classical and modern that the Qur'an does not burn. Bal, burning is one of the Islamically prescribed way of disposing damaged or worn out copies of the texts of the Qur'an. This, even a primary student in an Islamic school knows.

On a hot afternoon in the corner of my room, I prayed and told God this is the last chance he had to prove himself to me. I tore the first page of suratul yasin roll it, and light it up. Am sure u can guess what happened next (might post the pictures if u guys need it)

No need for pictures. We all know that not only suratul yasin, even if it is the whole Qur'an, it will burn no doubt about that.

After that incident I resolved never to have anything to do again with God, religion, and spirituality again.

Really? Your choice though.

I still held Islam and it's teaching In great esteem, but after the incident I began to see Islam from another perspective; it's totalitarian and intolerant nature, it's hostility against democracy, science and philosophy, the reduction of women to sex object, and the reduction of every contact between a male and a female to sex, the concept of good and evil, and of Paradise and hell and lastly the superiority and the infallibility of the Quran. I would definitely talk about all this aspect of Islam but the time is what am lacking. Am still a university student, so I have to share my time and do what is right in time. I just hope u can all bear with me

Patiently waiting for your to talk about the bolded.

"But admitting for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a
certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that
person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third
to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be revelation to all those persons. It is
revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently
they are not obliged to believe it.
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that
comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily
limited to the first communication—after this it is only an account of something
which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may
find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it
in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and 1 have only
his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of
Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands
of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority
for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some
historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity
with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified
to be a lawgiver, or legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse
to supernatural intervention.

All these are strictly the author's opinion. It definitely does not hold water or makes sence, atleast to me.

When I am told that the Koran was written in heaven and brought to
Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay
evidence and second-hand authority as the former. 1 did not see the angel myself
and, therefore, I have a right not to believe it"...............Thomas Paine. The age of reason

The bolded is Muhammad, not Mahomet.

Finally, find below comments of some notable modern scholars with regards the Qur'an.


"A totally objective examination of it [the Qur'an] in the light of modern knowledge, leads us to recognize the agreement between the two, as has been already noted on repeated occasions. It makes us deem it quite unthinkable for a man of Muhammad's time to have been the author of such statements on account of the state of knowledge in his day. Such considerations are part of what gives the Qur'anic Revelation its unique place, and forces the impartial scientist to admit his inability to provide an explanation which calls solely upon materialistic reasoning."
Maurice Bucaille, THE QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE, 1981, p. 18.


“It is impossible that Muhammad (peace be upon him) authored the Quran. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?
How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, an all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?”
[Dr. Maurice Bucaille – author of “The Bible, the Quran and Science” 1978, p. 125]



“In making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors, and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pain to study the intricate and richly varied rhythms which – apart from the message itself – constitute the Koran’s undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary masterpieces of mankind..
This very characteristic feature – ‘that inimitable symphony’, as the believing Pickthall described his Holy Book, ‘the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy’ has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original..”
[Arthur J. Arberry – “The Koran Interpreted”, London: Oxford University Press . 1964, p. x.]



"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." E. Marshall Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.


"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God.". Joe Leigh Simpson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.



"Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

"Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago.". Alfred Kroner, Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.


"I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being.". William Hay, Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.

Grownaira and farmerforlife I'd have loved if you allowed him to finish his concocted story then we'd debunk it at once. Your replies may hive him a clue to try and correct his future lies.

Another issue is this

I knew I disappointed a lot of people, many called me names; crazy, amnesic, schizophrenic many even say I have forgotten myself. I ignore everything since my aim is the truth.

I thought your Muslim people will just behead you at once when they found out you are now a proud infidel (as you call yourself) but instead they just called you names? That's interesting.
Anyway any Muslim reading this story knows the author was/is a Christian, because he's describing more of Christianity than Islam.
This is the part that gave you up as a Christian

I had so many questions my
religion can not answer. I was convinced
logically that there is no God but I held back
because of testimonies of personal experience
and miracles I had always heard. But on
thinking deeper I realised I haven't witnessed
any of these things first hand, I had only heard
them from ear say,

Testimonies and Miracles in Islam?
Guy park well!

Theproudinfidel please settle down and complete your story at your own pace even if it will take a year. It's your thread and your story. Ignore Ad hominems and red herrings please, they will only serve in distracting.

EazyMoh:
Grownaira and farmerforlife I'd have loved if you allowed him to finish his concocted story then we'd debunk it at once. Your replies may hive him a clue to try and correct his future lies.

Another issue is this I thought your Muslim people will just behead you at once when they found out you are now a proud infidel (as you call yourself) but instead they just called you names? That's interesting.
Anyway any Muslim reading this story knows the author was/is a Christian, because he's describing more of Christianity than Islam.
This is the part that gave you up as a Christian

Why are you guys jittery to the extent of trying to label the guy a Christian pretending to be Muslim? You mean no Muslim leaves to become an atheist?

EazyMoh:

Testimonies and Miracles in Islam?
Guy park well!

There are miracles in Islam. Examples are Allah writing his name on a stake of meat, on a tree trunk and on a leaf instead of the fake god to heal the countless crippled and blind beggars in northern Nigeria who are all Muslims.

alBHAGDADI:

Why are you guys jittery to the extent of trying to label the guy a Christian pretending to be Muslim? You mean no Muslim leaves to become an atheist?
There are miracles in Islam. Examples are Allah writing his name on a stake of meat, on a tree trunk and on a leaf instead of the fake god to heal the countless crippled and blind beggars in northern Nigeria who are all Muslims.

He is a christian pretending to be a Muslim. He thinks the way christians believe Muslims think, not the way Muslims really think. You cant fake being a Muslim, it is very obvious.

By the way, why would we be jittery? I personally am a Muslim by conviction. In my college days, I passed through a prolonged atheist stage myself where I was a convinced atheist, may Allah forgive me, so I do not see anything that an atheist would say today to convince me that God does not exist. They have no argument that I have not researched and refuted, except the one that I should tell God to appear to them. So this article is just a passing discussion.

Contrary to christians who go to the church with the most flashy miracles, our faith is not justified by those so-called incidents. Personally, I do not even believe that such things happened. As for healing, pastors don't heal either, but at least we Muslims don't go around using 419 healings to eat poor people's meagre wealth to sponsor an ostentatious lifestyle of yachts, mansions and private jets.

Farmerforlife:


He is a christian pretending to be a Muslim. He thinks the way christians believe Muslims think, not the way Muslims really think. You cant fake being a Muslim, it is very obvious.

One thing you fail to know is that once a person stops being Muslim, he stops thinking like them and opposes their stance. He is more likely to view things like a Christian cos morality is mostly gotten from Christian doctrines. Now, that he is an atheist, if he chooses to marry only one wife and condemns Mohammad and his atrocities pedophilia, rape and murder, you are definitely going to label him a Christian. Mind you, that is what every non-muslim sees in Islam, be it Christian, pagan or atheist.

Farmerforlife:

By the way, why would we be jittery? I personally am a Muslim by conviction. In my college days, I passed through a prolonged atheist stage myself where I was a convinced atheist, may Allah forgive me, so I do not see anything that an atheist would say today to convince me that God does not exist. They have no argument that I have not researched and refuted, except the one that I should tell God to appear to them. So this article is just a passing discussion.

You haven't refuted the 72 virgins theory that makes heavy seem like a sex paradise

Farmerforlife:


Contrary to christians who go to the church with the most flashy miracles, our faith is not justified by those so-called incidents. Personally, I do not even believe that such things happened. As for healing, pastors don't heal either, but at least we Muslims don't go around using 419 healings to eat poor people's meagre wealth to sponsor an ostentatious lifestyle of yachts, mansions and private jets.

I am of the school of thought that believes such pastors are fake.

But can you tell me that the miracles by Yahshua in the Bible are fake?

alBHAGDADI:

Why are you guys jittery to the extent of trying to label the guy a Christian pretending to be Muslim? You mean no Muslim leaves to become an atheist?
There are miracles in Islam. Examples are Allah writing his name on a stake of meat, on a tree trunk and on a leaf instead of the fake god to heal the countless crippled and blind beggars in northern Nigeria who are all Muslims.

Lol!
Of course uncountable number of Muslims apostate all over the world on daily basis, but this isn't the case. You may choose to believe the OP but we know better which is why we not even angry in fact we are happy that a story like this has to be fabricated by some people just make themselves feel good.
All those so called miracles of Islamic inscriptions are mostly fake and fabricated and knowledgeable people like me don't take them serious nor need them to believe.
Ever wondered why Islam doesn't care about all those present day prophesies and miracles? While we believe Allah can do anything and everything He wills, we don't support mediocrity, stupidity nor naivete. This was why while Christianity was prescribing exorcism for every ailment believing all sickness are effects of the devil, Islam was supporting and perfecting scientific treatments of different ailments.
Most importantly the number one Miracle authenticated by Islam which is used to challenge anybody that demands a miracle from Islam is the GLORIOUS QURAN.
1 If you think it's not from the Almighty God that it's mere book written by a mere mortal the bring/write another that is comparable to it.
2. The Quran is INCORRUPTIBLE, and it's message is indestructible.
3. No book has been memorized in its entirety by people even it's own authors. Even Chinua Achebe couldn't narrate Things Fall Apart off-hand.
These three and more miracles will continue to hold exclusively for Quran only till the day of judgement.
Islam has this undeniable timeless miracle, therefore it doesn't need writing on a leaf or tree in a remote village to make a point.
Anyway OP continue.

EazyMoh:

Lol!
Of course uncountable number of Muslims apostate all over the world on daily basis, but this isn't the case. You may choose to believe the OP but we know better which is why we not even angry in fact we are happy that a story like this has to be fabricated by some people just make themselves feel good.
All those so called miracles of Islamic inscriptions are mostly fake and fabricated and knowledgeable people like me don't take them serious nor need them to believe.
Ever wondered why Islam doesn't care about all those present day prophesies and miracles? While we believe Allah can do anything and everything He wills, we don't support mediocrity, stupidity nor naivete. This was why while Christianity was prescribing exorcism for every ailment believing all sickness are effects of the devil, Islam was supporting and perfecting scientific treatments of different ailments.
Most importantly the number one Miracle authenticated by Islam which is used to challenge anybody that demands a miracle from Islam is the GLORIOUS QURAN.
1 If you think it's not from the Almighty God that it's mere book written by a mere mortal the bring/write another that is comparable to it.
2. The Quran is INCORRUPTIBLE, and it's message is indestructible.
3. No book has been memorized in its entirety by people even it's own authors. Even Chinua Achebe couldn't narrate Things Fall Apart off-hand.
These three and more miracles will continue to hold exclusively for Quran only till the day of judgement.
Islam has this undeniable timeless miracle, therefore it doesn't need writing on a leaf or tree in a remote village to make a point.
Anyway OP continue.

Anyone can memorize a book. We just have better things to do. But for the right price, I'm pretty sure that people will memorize anything.

Do you not think that schoolchildren will memorize Things Fall Apart for $100K USD?

Your moniker cracked me up Please go on. Try to edit your main posts creating a link in the end to the subsequent one so one doesn't have to read through so many comments to follow your story.

Weah96:


Anyone can memorize a book. We just have better things to do. But for the right price, I'm pretty sure that people will memorize anything.

Do you not think that schoolchildren will memorize Things Fall Apart for $100K USD?

Heheheheh!
OK for 1438 years why hasn't anybody or group of people tried to do that just to shut up the Muslims. Am sure even Nigerian Churches can afford $100K (as you put it) for anybody that memorizes the Bible. Simple!
You have millions of children with different languages worldwide who have memorized and recite the Qur'an fluently and flawlessly in Arabic this is the greatest Miracle Islam claims and challenges the whole world to challenge. And what a beauty the Qur'an confirms THEY CAN NEVER DO IT!
The offer is and will still be open till the end of time!

Theproudinfidel:
The period of doubt
Silence and soberity isn't empty it's full of answers.......... Anonymous

Do not seek truth by men, first know the truth and you will know it's adherent.... Imam ali


My moment of doubt started during a long holiday, we had in my third year at the university. Every member of the house will leave, which makes me the only person staying at home . Before people will start thinking am lonely and sad and probably suggest that for the main reason for my atheism, let it be known that am used to been alone and am obsessed with reading, most especially philosophical books. It is through these books and a large amount of self contemplation that the doubt became intense. I had so many questions my religion can not answer. I was convinced logically that there is no God but I held back because of testimonies of personal experience and miracles I had always heard. But on thinking deeper I realised I haven't witnessed any of these things first hand, I had only heard them from ear say, to put it in a more concise way I had never seen or experience anything that goes against the natural laws of nature. I prayed earnestly for God to revealed himself but I felt nothing, I became so worried and my anxiety increased. I later reasoned that the only option I had left to contact God is the Quran and I have heard so many occasions and boastful remarks about the Quran. It is believed that it won't burn when in contact with fire. On a hot afternoon in the corner of my room, I prayed and told God this is the last chance he had to prove himself to me.

I tore the first page of suratul yasin roll it, and light it up. Am sure u can guess what happened next (might post the pictures if u guys need it) .

...
"But admitting for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a
certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that
person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third
to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be revelation to all those persons. It is
revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently
they are not obliged to believe it.
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that
comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily
limited to the first communication—after this it is only an account of something
which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may
find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it
in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and 1 have only
his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of
Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands
of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority
for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some
historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity
with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified
to be a lawgiver, or legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse
to supernatural intervention.
When I am told that the Koran was written in heaven and brought to
Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay
evidence and second-hand authority as the former. 1 did not see the angel myself
and, therefore, I have a right not to believe it"...............Thomas Paine. The age of reason

This is really good. Go school come, we dey wait for you

Your way is great. Carry on

Theproudinfidel:


you might not find that here pls. I have not personally been on that thread to see how it looks like, and I will tell my story just the way I want it

Why aren't you patient? He is still in the beginning of his journey and you have already started discrediting him. Cool down, at least let him finish.

Farmerforlife:
Lol. Your story sounds like a typical christian-made up story to copy the devastating hardmirror story on Christian pastor to atheist. I can see wide holes in the tale, you obviously perceive Islam the way a Christian does, your description of some of your reasonings when you were a 'Muslim' are nothing to how a Muslim really thinks. I have seen stories about Muslims who have become atheists, this is not an authentic one...sorry. I advice that you do more research on Islam and Muslims before you try to pass yourself off as one.

Also, throwing in a phrase or two about zindeeq and mu'tazila 'sects' of Islam does not make your story more credible. It makes it less so (except to non-Muslims maybe). Imagine an illiterate entering a roomful of doctors and throwing around poorly understood medical terminology browsed off the internet? That is what your article sounds like, really.

But it is a free country, and like the quote says, "you can deceive some people all the time", so go ahead and continue doing so.

EazyMoh:

Heheheheh!
OK for 1438 years why hasn't anybody or group of people tried to do that just to shut up the Muslims. Am sure even Nigerian Churches can afford $100K (as you put it) for anybody that memorizes the Bible. Simple!
You have millions of children with different languages worldwide who have memorized and recite the Qur'an fluently and flawlessly in Arabic this is the greatest Miracle Islam claims and challenges the whole world to challenge. And what a beauty the Qur'an confirms THEY CAN NEVER DO IT!
The offer is and will still be open till the end of time!

Well the KJV Bible contains in excess 780,000 words while the Quran only has about 78,000.

So it's not the same volume of words to remember. In fact, it's TEN TIMES BIGGER.

Weah96:


Well the KJV Bible contains in excess 780,000 words while the Quran only has about 78,000.

So it's not the same volume of words to remember. In fact, it's TEN TIMES BIGGER.

OK when you memorize 1/10th of the KJV let us know.