₦airaland Forum

mapet:
Will there be anything wrong in borrowing? or what source do you want the money to come from? Oil that your ND boys have refused to allow flow?

what's the collateral or backing they are using to borrow the cash, isnt it the same Oil reserve... my brother . which ND boys... why don't they do what's right and give what's due to those that are facing the direct challenges of oil exploration.. please visit one of the flow stations or oil installations to understand first hand, stop staying in Lagos and complaining.

takenadoh:
what's the collateral or backing they are using to borrow the cash, isnt it the same Oil reserve... my brother . which ND boys... why don't they do what's right and give what's due to those that are facing the direct challenges of oil exploration.. please visit one of the flow stations or oil installations to understand first hand, stop staying in Lagos and complaining.

1. If there is no "collateral" in borrowing, why would the international financers willing to release $29b? Well I think you need to understand how this financing works
2. Do what is right to the ND boys? Ok let me check.
--------The FG initiated and is about to commence the Ogoni cleanup, something no government had ever touched
--------The FG has twice extended the Amnesty programme, part of the extra-budgetary expenses presented to the national assembly for approval has funding of the Amnesty programme as one of the line items
--------The NDDC under Semenitary was actively funded and has taken some of the moribund ND abondoned projects
--------The FG has initiated and had dialogue with ND leaders. Clark led a robust delegation of ND leaders to Abuja and they had fruitful discussion with PMB, where they presented their 16point Agenda.
-------- The ND states collect more from the crude proceeds than others. The monthly inflow to Akwa Ibom, Rivers and Bayelsa is more than the monthly inflow to some African countries;
---------- NDDC and ND Ministry had received immense funding voted into it..........this is not considering the monumental waste and fraud that happened in NDDC between 2009-2015, with virtually nothing to show for it

short of me asking what have they done with it, I'd rather ask what more should be done?

3. Bros, I have been in the industry for the past 16yrs, and I have traversed many Oil installation from Benin, to Warri to PH. I know ND and facilities like the back of my hand. While many of the IOCs are corrupt and had willing ally on goverment, your ND "leaders" (which we cannot pinpoint who are the true ones) are the biggest thieves. From Clark to Tompolo, Ayiri Emami, Boyloaf et al. These people are just after cash and not after the development of ND. Why do we have countless warlords in the ND if they are truly fighting the ND course. Why is there not a common front

mapet:
1. If there is no "collateral" in borrowing, why would the international financers willing to release $29b? Well I think you need to understand how this financing works
2. Do what is right to the ND boys? Ok let me check.
--------The FG initiated and is about to commence the Ogoni cleanup, something no government had ever touched
--------The FG has twice extended the Amnesty programme, part of the extra-budgetary expenses presented to the national assembly for approval has funding of the Amnesty programme as one of the line items
--------The NDDC under Semenitary was actively funded and has taken some of the moribund ND abondoned projects
--------The FG has initiated and had dialogue with ND leaders. Clark led a robust delegation of ND leaders to Abuja and they had fruitful discussion with PMB, where they presented their 16point Agenda.
-------- The ND states collect more from the crude proceeds than others. The monthly inflow to Akwa Ibom, Rivers and Bayelsa is more than the monthly inflow to some African countries;
---------- NDDC and ND Ministry had received immense funding voted into it..........this is not considering the monumental waste and fraud that happened in NDDC between 2009-2015, with virtually nothing to show for it

short of me asking what have they done with it, I'd rather ask what more should be done?

3. Bros, I have been in the industry for the past 16yrs, and I have traversed many Oil installation from Benin, to Warri to PH. I know ND and facilities like the back of my hand. While many of the IOCs are corrupt and had willing ally on goverment, your ND "leaders" (which we cannot pinpoint who are the true ones) are the biggest thieves. From Clark to Tompolo, Ayiri Emami, Boyloaf et al. These people are just after cash and not after the development of ND. Why do we have countless warlords in the ND if they are truly fighting the ND course. Why is there not a common front

I am not exonerating the ND leaders from what the people are facing and btw Tompolo , Ayiri , Boyloaf are militant leaders not Niger Delta leaders, just for the record. Bayelsa State gets 13% oil derivation, but only has 8 LGAs, Kano on the other hand doesn't get 13% but has 44 LGAs if you do the maths, you'll see that what Bayelsa State produces and what she gets back as in net income isn't enough.

I'm happy you said you've been to the Niger Delta, and i'm sure you understand the terrain, the amount of money you'll use to build a 3 bedroom flat in Bayelsa State will get u 3 of those houses else where especially in the North, considering the amount of "filling" and reinforcement necessary in Yenagoa and Bayelsa State these peculiarities led to the establishments of the Niger Delta Development Basin Development Authority and several others.

The Ogoni clean up is smth that has been in the pipeline even before this government came on board with HYPREP...

From your above statement you are an APC supporter and everything you say or do is to vilify the opposition.

takenadoh:
I am not exonerating the ND leaders from what the people are facing and btw Tompolo , Ayiri , Boyloaf are militant leaders not Niger Delta leaders, just for the record. Bayelsa State gets 13% oil derivation, but only has 8 LGAs, Kano on the other hand doesn't get 13% but has 44 LGAs if you do the maths, you'll see that what Bayelsa State produces and what she gets back as in net income isn't enough.

I'm happy you said you've been to the Niger Delta, and i'm sure you understand the terrain, the amount of money you'll use to build a 3 bedroom flat in Bayelsa State will get u 3 of those houses else where especially in the North, considering the amount of "filling" and reinforcement necessary in Yenagoa and Bayelsa State these peculiarities led to the establishments of the Niger Delta Development Basin Development Authority and several others.

The Ogoni clean up is smth that has been in the pipeline even before this government came on board with HYPREP...

From your above statement you are an APC supporter and everything you say or do is to vilify the opposition.

1. When has Oil determined the number of LG state has?
2. As at 2013 (I purposely chose this, because this was the days of oil boom) these were the revenue allocations of the Top 6 states

1. Akwa Ibom (N260 billion or $1.7 billion)
2. Rivers (N230 billion or $1.5 billion)
3. Delta (N209 billion or $1.3 billion)
4. Bayelsa (N173 billion or $1.1 billion)
5. Lagos (N168 billion or $1.1 billion)
6. Kano (N140 billion or $0.9 billion)
Read more: https://www.naij.com/67424.html

so If we went by your LG logic again, it simply tells you Bayelsa shared $1.1b amongs 8LGs, while Kano is let to share $0.9b among 44. So are you still holding on to your LG arguement?

3. If Ogoni cleanup was a myth? according to you, that simply supports my view. None of the previous government ever came out to say they were going to embark on it. GEJ ignored it, so ........... better still let me ask, is it that you don't want Ogoni clean-up?

4. If your leaders are not militants, why then do you justify their acts? So who are the militants and what are they to you? Why had GEJ made billionaires out of them instead of pursuing a rapid development of ND so as to guarantee equal distribution of wealth

mapet:
1. When has Oil determined the number of LG state has?
2. As at 2013 (I purposely chose this, because this was the days of oil boom) these were the revenue allocations of the Top 6 states



so If we went by your LG logic again, it simply tells you Bayelsa shared $1.1b amongs 8LGs, while Kano is let to share $0.9b among 44. So are you still holding on to your LG arguement?

3. If Ogoni cleanup was a myth? according to you, that simply supports my view. None of the previous government ever came out to say they were going to embark on it. GEJ ignored it, so ........... better still let me ask, is it that you don't want Ogoni clean-up?

4. If your leaders are not militants, why then do you justify their acts? So who are the militants and what are they to you? Why had GEJ made billionaires out of them instead of pursuing a rapid development of ND so as to guarantee equal distribution of wealth

Tomopolo and co are Militant leaders not the same are Clark , Diete Spiff, etc. there is a big difference.
Ogoni clean up was never a myth, its not about flagging smth off, HYPREP was established under GEJ.
please show me where EK clarks and the rest have said they support what the NDA are doing?

the state doesn't share revenues it collects to the LGA, LGA's get their money separately, I never said distribute LGA based on Oil Production, Bayelsa State is bigger than Lagos in terms of Land area or Land mass but Lagos has 20LGA, or in terms of Population Lagos has an estimated Population of 13million people and Kano has 5 millon but Kano has 44 LGA, so on what basis do we have the LGA distribution?

takenadoh:
Tomopolo and co are Militant leaders not the same are Clark , Diete Spiff, etc. there is a big difference.
Ogoni clean up was never a myth, its not about flagging smth off, HYPREP was established under GEJ.
please show me where EK clarks and the rest have said they support what the NDA are doing?

the state doesn't share revenues it collects to the LGA, LGA's get their money separately, I never said distribute LGA based on Oil Production, Bayelsa State is bigger than Lagos in terms of Land area or Land mass but Lagos has 20LGA, or in terms of Population Lagos has an estimated Population of 13million people and Kano has 5 millon but Kano has 44 LGA, so on what basis do we have the LGA distribution?

If we will agree on some points, my tots are these

1. Let the FG and ND leaders (Clark, Spiff) come to a logical conclusion with the current efforts
2. Let all the Militant seize fire and let the reconcillation effort true
3. Let these negotiation come up with a jointly agreed Niger Delta development roadmap. This should be jointly signed and agreed a 5-10yr plan of rapid development in the Niger Delta. Subsequenlty, ND leaders of repute should be put in charge
4. Cash should not be a means of settlement. That is what I believe is fueling militancy. Oil coys used it to distabilised communities, using isolate and destroy mode. That is why we have Tompolo, Ayiri and co as overnight billionaires. The signal it sends is that militancy pays

Finally,

I support APC. Yet I want Niger Delta to be truely developed

mapet:
If we will agree on some points, my tots are these

1. Let the FG and ND leaders (Clark, Spiff) come to a logical conclusion with the current efforts
2. Let all the Militant seize fire and let the reconcillation effort true
3. Let these negotiation come up with a jointly agreed Niger Delta development roadmap. This should be jointly signed and agreed a 5-10yr plan of rapid development in the Niger Delta. Subsequenlty, ND leaders of repute should be put in charge
4. Cash should not be a means of settlement. That is what I believe is fueling militancy. Oil coys used it to distabilised communities, using isolate and destroy mode. That is why we have Tompolo, Ayiri and co as overnight billionaires. The signal it sends is that militancy pays

Finally,

I support APC. Yet I want Niger Delta to be truely developed

I agree with you that there is a need to rapidly develop the Niger Delta, this Development plan shouldn't affect the current efforts by the Ministry of Niger Delta affairs, NDDC and the rest, Abuja as it is wasn't like this in the 80,'s or early 90's they've continually worked according to the ,Abuja Master plan, the same should be done in the Niger Delta.


Its good to be affiliated with one party or the other, personally I am a Nigerian and anything that will make the future brighter for my kids, That is just what I want.

takenadoh:
I agree with you that there is a need to rapidly develop the Niger Delta, this Development plan shouldn't affect the current efforts by the Ministry of Niger Delta affairs, NDDC and the rest, Abuja as it is wasn't like this in the 80,'s or early 90's they've continually worked according to the ,Abuja Master plan, the same should be done in the Niger Delta.


Its good to be affiliated with one party or the other, personally I am a Nigerian and anything that will make the future brighter for my kids, That is just what I want.

Cheers Bro