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Op please create a "referendum" on www.change.org with this post and share it. We need to take action.

OILSOUP:
wat is the solution? wen we said don vote Buhari u think we were stupid.

Now u are asking me. The truth is the north is over powerful, that needs to be checked.


How can anybdy just take somebody daughter put hijab on her head by force, rape and impregnate her and take the case to islamic court that she is a convert?

You have time of these Muslims that disguise themselves as Christians typing and posting rubbish here.They were the one that supported Buhari and now he want to islamize we Christians and also those hypocrites didn't see anything wrong wen Emirs and Imams were busy abducting and converting our young girls and those hypocrite here didn't see anything wrong in wat you are telling them

stinechykee:
You have time of these Muslims that disguise themselves as Christians typing and posting rubbish here.They were the one that supported Buhari and now he want to islamize we Christians and also those hypocrites didn't see anything wrong wen Emirs and Imams were busy abducting and converting our young girls and those hypocrite here didn't see anything wrong in wat you are telling them

Will the Christian Court Stop the kidnapping. NO never.

Let the Law enforcement agent and the Country Judiciary take actions.

But for the CHRISTIAN COURT is a NO NO.

TonyeBarcanista:
This is more reason why the so called Christian court is an aberration. All you mentioned can be exercised through civil courts. Thanks..

NO TO RELIGIOUS COURTS

And has civil court done or said anything mr hypocrits? You see how you shut yourself on the leg

TonyeBarcanista:
I read the proposed bill sponsored by Rep Gyang Dung (PDP-Plateau) and eight others seeking to alter sections 6, 84, 185, 240, 246, 247, 288, 289, 292 and 318 of the principal Act, in order to established an Ecclesiastical court that will abjudicate on issues that bothers on "Christian law".

I shook my head while reading the news because I found it laughable that our legislators will abandon important subjects that bothers on the economy, education, political and environmental sectors, but instead they sat down to discuss an irrelevant bill that is needless, useless and has no single impact on the lives of the average Nigeria citizen.

Do we even need a "Christian court"? For what purpose? Is there any central Christian law in the first instance? Is this a ploy to expedite the passage of the Sharia Court of Appeal bill that is before the House? What exactly is the motive of the promoters and the House? All these questions popped out of my recession-hit head while I was reading the report. These I shall try my best to address in this piece.



1. Do Christians Need Ecclesiastical Court?
If we take a look at the Bible carefully in the book of I Corinthians 6:1-10, Apostle Paul warned believers never to take their brothers to law court(irrespective of nomenclature) to settle religious disputes.The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching laid out how disputes should be settled among believers of the Christian faith in Matthew 18:15-17, a procedure that is very simple and direct.

According to Christ, if a brother offends another, the offended brother should approach the one that offended him to settle the disputes as brothers (Matthew 18:15), if he refuses to listen, the offended brother should approach leadership of the Church to intervene (Matthew 18:16), and if he refuses to listen to the Church leadership for peaceful resolution, the brother that was offended should let go for God to take control (Matthew 18:17). As simple as that.

In the book of 1 Corinthians 16, Apostle Paul was direct in condemnation of the Corinthian church after he heard that they were suing each other to court. He admonished them to withdraw the cases against brethren that were pending before the court, but instead admonished them to settle among themselves or by involving the elders.

In Christian religion, the Chief Justice is God Almighty, He, through the Holy Spirit directs brethren and elders in handling disputes within the body of Christ. He doesn't give such power to any institution outside the Christian faith, and does not in anyway delegate his power to any secular judicial officer. The so called Ecclesiastical Court is an aberration in Christianity, and is not needed nor wanted in the body of Christ.


2. Is There Any Central Christian Law In The First Instance?
Let us for once consider this question, is there a central Christian law? From all practice, the Christian religion has NO LAW, the Bible however states precepts and commandments that should be obeyed by practicing Christians but they are never considered a law. Unlike precepts and commandments that doesn't prescribe earthly punishment for defaulters, a law prescribe punishment for defaulters.

For instance, the Christian doctrine is against idolatry, but any Christian that engages in the act will not be punished by anybody according to any law. He may be disciplined by his local church in order to restore him to the faith but if he choose to continue, his case will be handed to God while the brethren pray for him to repent.

Besides, even the Christian commandment and precepts has over the years been subjected to different interpretation depending on various assemblies and congregations. Some sect don't believe in the Holy Trinity, while others does; some set see tithing as fraud, some see it as command; to some sect, the Catholics and all those that use images to aid worship are idolaters and not Christians. To some, divorce is a NO, while some others not only see divorce as Biblical but welcomes remarriage. Some believe in Christmas and Easter, while others see it as fraudulent practice of pagans. Need I say more? .

What is central in Christianity is that God will be the judge on the last day, HE will judge all men, Christians and non Christians according to their works, and the Saints will judge the Angels.


3. Status of Christian Association of Nigeria In The Christiandom:
Make no mistake, CAN is not a central body of Christians in Nigeria, neither does it posses a central authority. CAN is only an association of those Christian religious leaders that are part of the association. CAN is not an authority in Christiandom in Nigeria, they are not the Holy Spirit, they CANNOT prescribe any Christian law. In fact, not all churches are part of CAN as an association, not all Christians recognises CAN. To be explicit, Christianity can never be regulated by any government, body, association or group or any person/persons, and should never be. Matters that are Christian in nature must be addressed according to the Christian precept (NOT LAWS), those that are civil in nature could be taken to the civil courts, while those that are criminal in nature be subjected according to the relevant laws in Nigeria.

4. A Ploy To Expedite The Passage Of The Sharia Court Of Appeal Bill?
We may recall that there is a bill before the House of Representative that was sponsored by Honourable Abdulahi Salame representing Gwadabawa/Illela federal constituency, Sokoto State, which seeks to altar Sections 262 and 277 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, in order to increase the jurisdiction of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory and Sharia Court of Appeal of a State by including Criminal Matters and Hudud and Qisas and for "other related Matters”. This pro-sharia bill was condemned by patriotic Nigerians of diverse faith and creed.

With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed, it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament. Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?

Without prejudice to any faith, Nigeria as a country should/must have no business with religious laws. We are secular, and should be. Our customary laws is enough to take care of matters relating to customs and traditions, while civil and criminal laws takes care of civil and criminal matters respectively. Religion is voluntary of those that practice it, the so-called Sharia laws that exist at present across states are competing with sections of our constitution, we wouldn't want more complications through Sharia or Ecclesiastical Court of Appeal at the federal level. If this bill was proposed to appease Christians so as to allow easy passge of Rep Abdulahi Salama Sharia bill, then it is dead on arrival. Nigerians must act and resist both confusionist bills.

I condemned the Sharia bill, I still strongly condemn this proposed Ecclesiastical court bill because the bill serves the interest of nobody except those few members of the elite that will be appointed to chair or be part of such court. It should be emphasised that Christianity is not in competition with Islam or any religion, neither is Christianity the opposite of Islam.

I enjoin members of the National Assembly to look at laws that will positively affect the lives of Nigerians irrespective of religious creed, gender, status or tribe instead of wasting taxpayers monies by sitting in their chambers to discuss irrelevant and confusionist bills like the Sharia and Ecclesiastical courts bills. If our "Honourables" are bored, they should go on indefinite recess and spare the citizens of more troubles. Enough is Enough for the Wise.





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Buhari vowed to make Islamic sharia criminal laws become applied to all of Nigeria in 2001 while speaking to Muslim faithfuls in Kaduna.

Buhari is using Nigeria government institutions and Armed forces to redeem his vow.

That is all about so-called Christian Ecclesiastic Bill in the HOR.

But what's Ecclesiastic Court - perhaps no Nigerian Christian, including yours truly, can comfortably explain what Ecclesiastic court means.


Buhari is an old man. Old people tend to hang onto religious doctrines however unpopular and moribund the doctrines. Buhari is ready to risk anything including religious war in Nigeria.

Normally, the east and much of southsouth regions of Nigeria are not supposed to share one country with the rest of Nigeria. But for the nature of some groups in the southsouth, the Buhari group assumes that Nigeria is indivisible, hence lead every group by the nose.

Sharia criminal codes were not allowed by the northern soldiers who supervised Nigeria's constiution.
Buhari now thinks it's now in a democracy that he can "buy" his way and trick his way to include Sharia criminal codes into the constitution.

Johnnyessence:
thanks for your reply here. I strongly support the bill.

What are your reasons for supporting the bill? Kindly state them

limeta:
With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed,
it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament.
Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?




Yes i know so.

so the honourable that sponsored the bill is a muslim or working for Islam, right?


Why don't guys just face the issues and stop be in competition with other religions?

Goke7:
you made no point bro!

have u been to the north before? ...

Amah70:
Buhari vowed to make Islamic sharia criminal laws become applied to all of Nigeria in 2001 while speaking to Muslim faithfuls in Kaduna.

Buhari is using Nigeria government institutions and Armed forces to redeem his vow.

That is all about so-called Christian Ecclesiastic Bill in the HOR.

But what's Ecclesiastic Court - perhaps no Nigerian Christian, including yours truly, can comfortably explain what Ecclesiastic court means.


Buhari is an old man. Old people tend to hang onto religious doctrines however unpopular and moribund the doctrines. Buhari is ready to risk anything including religious war in Nigeria.

Normally, the east and much of southsouth regions of Nigeria are not supposed to share one country with the rest of Nigeria. But for the nature of some groups in the southsouth, the Buhari group assumes that Nigeria is indivisible, hence lead every group by the nose.

Sharia criminal codes were not allowed by the northern soldiers who supervised Nigeria's constiution.
Buhari now thinks it's now in a democracy that he can "buy" his way and trick his way to include Sharia criminal codes into the constitution.

if the bill is passed it will checkmate the heinous act been done by evil people. We demand for justice for dastardly act.

Hehehe
These guys are just afraid of the loosing their conjugal privileges.

Christ has caught up with you. Its time to drop the bull, marry your baby Mamas and stop manufacturing fatherless babies

The Christian law should be active in the North to protect the Christians there

Amah70:
Buhari vowed to make Islamic sharia criminal laws become applied to all of Nigeria in 2001 while speaking to Muslim faithfuls in Kaduna.

Buhari is using Nigeria government institutions and Armed forces to redeem his vow.

That is all about so-called Christian Ecclesiastic Bill in the HOR.

But what's Ecclesiastic Court - perhaps no Nigerian Christian, including yours truly, can comfortably explain what Ecclesiastic court means.


Buhari is an old man. Old people tend to hang onto religious doctrines however unpopular and moribund the doctrines. Buhari is ready
to risk anything including religious war in Nigeria.

Normally, the east and much of southsouth regions of Nigeria are not supposed to share one country with the rest of Nigeria. But for the nature of some groups in the southsouth, the Buhari group assumes that Nigeria is indivisible, hence lead every group by the nose.

Sharia criminal codes were not allowed by the northern soldiers who supervised Nigeria's constiution.
Buhari now thinks it's now in a democracy that he can "buy" his way and trick his way to include Sharia criminal codes into the constitution.

So now its Buhari doing it, despite the fact that it was proposed by Christian MHRs Ko?
We know you, you're one of those biafra touting goons who are still stuck in 1969.
You need to a get a life man

It behoves my wildest imagination that in this 21st century we are still caught up in the web of religion. The bill is going to take us back to the stone age. Our politicians have shown over the years that they lack the tools to lead, they have no ideology, the only one save for them is corruption. Though we have a divide on this, young mind who are supposed to be much concerned about the betterment of this country are lost in the battle of political rascality, stomach infrastructure and slavery. When we should be thinking of the way forward, we are still looking at the things we should have grown over. It is time we are objective about our reactions starting from here.

isn't it obvious?, they might aswell divide the country into two, muslims and christians, so both religions can go and live how they would like. this is the ultimate and only way believe it or not.

I look forward to a platform where Nigerian youths can discuss on issues and way forward for this country devoid of religious sentiment and abuse. Keep your religion to yourself, we just need to move this country. Let's get a sustainable Nigeria launched.

I can't wait for laws like this to be implemented.

The mumuism of our legislooters no get part 2. The should as well pass a bill for sango, obatala and amadioha thunder courts as well.

Braingold:
If not that Christianity is the only way to God I would have dropped it. Too many fools in this Christianity stuff. I understand that Jesus is The only way.
what I hate is see Christians killing themselves. We should stand against Christian court and embrace sharia abi! very senseless.. op you are the generation of people that has not done anything for Christianity but rather critize it. Look just keep quite and go to your church if you don't have anything to stay.
I know majority of the type of Christians that will support this op.may God not forgive you. you are seeing how Christians are oppressed and removed in army. you are here posting non sense. you deserve slap.

thank you for your reply jare.

TonyeBarcanista:
Of course we shall resist it. Those politicians wearing robes and calling themselves CAN cannot judge ANY Christian. That is the job of God! Those people sef...

Start a hashtag on twitter about this, create a thread on nairaland to direct support to it. You have the influence, use it. Mention me when the thread is up.

panadol yhu if mad ne God punish d hand dat rite dix y dem did Muslim s have sheria court otondo

Pharaoh9:
The Christian law should be active in the North to protect the Christians there

do we have anything like christian laws....i dont know if they have such courts in countries dominated by christians...sharia law is studied in most universities..never heard of christian law being studied in the universities,.i shake my head for all this secondary school cert. Reps members.

Strange things are just happening. The end is near!

It is not biblical. Basic.

Alaminalpha:
So now its Buhari doing it, despite the fact that it was proposed by Christian MHRs Ko?
We know you, you're one of those biafra touting goons who are still stuck in 1969.
You need to a get a life man

Under Buhari presidency emerged a Bill to include Sharia criminal codes into the constitution, something that has not happened before in a season of democracy in Nigeria.

Continue to deceive yourself with "a ChristIan proposed the Bill."

Sharia criminal codes people are not stopping on their heinous march to Islamize all in Nigeria through every trick in the books.

Your Boko Haram also guns for a country to be governed through Islamic sharia criminal codes.

Twelve northern Nigeria states adopted the use of Islamic sharia criminal codes, after which Boko-Haram emerged.



Yes, I am a Biafran, proudly Biafran for that matter. We are always able to decode your keys, perhaps before others.

TonyeBarcanista:
I read the proposed bill sponsored by Rep Gyang Dung (PDP-Plateau) and eight others seeking to alter sections 6, 84, 185, 240, 246, 247, 288, 289, 292 and 318 of the principal Act, in order to established an Ecclesiastical court that will abjudicate on issues that bothers on "Christian law".

I shook my head while reading the news because I found it laughable that our legislators will abandon important subjects that bothers on the economy, education, political and environmental sectors, but instead they sat down to discuss an irrelevant bill that is needless, useless and has no single impact on the lives of the average Nigeria citizen.

Do we even need a "Christian court"? For what purpose? Is there any central Christian law in the first instance? Is this a ploy to expedite the passage of the Sharia Court of Appeal bill that is before the House? What exactly is the motive of the promoters and the House? All these questions popped out of my recession-hit head while I was reading the report. These I shall try my best to address in this piece.



1. Do Christians Need Ecclesiastical Court?
If we take a look at the Bible carefully in the book of I Corinthians 6:1-10, Apostle Paul warned believers never to take their brothers to law court(irrespective of nomenclature) to settle religious disputes.The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching laid out how disputes should be settled among believers of the Christian faith in Matthew 18:15-17, a procedure that is very simple and direct.

According to Christ, if a brother offends another, the offended brother should approach the one that offended him to settle the disputes as brothers (Matthew 18:15), if he refuses to listen, the offended brother should approach leadership of the Church to intervene (Matthew 18:16), and if he refuses to listen to the Church leadership for peaceful resolution, the brother that was offended should let go for God to take control (Matthew 18:17). As simple as that.

In the book of 1 Corinthians 16, Apostle Paul was direct in condemnation of the Corinthian church after he heard that they were suing each other to court. He admonished them to withdraw the cases against brethren that were pending before the court, but instead admonished them to settle among themselves or by involving the elders.

In Christian religion, the Chief Justice is God Almighty, He, through the Holy Spirit directs brethren and elders in handling disputes within the body of Christ. He doesn't give such power to any institution outside the Christian faith, and does not in anyway delegate his power to any secular judicial officer. The so called Ecclesiastical Court is an aberration in Christianity, and is not needed nor wanted in the body of Christ.


2. Is There Any Central Christian Law In The First Instance?
Let us for once consider this question, is there a central Christian law? From all practice, the Christian religion has NO LAW, the Bible however states precepts and commandments that should be obeyed by practicing Christians but they are never considered a law. Unlike precepts and commandments that doesn't prescribe earthly punishment for defaulters, a law prescribe punishment for defaulters.

For instance, the Christian doctrine is against idolatry, but any Christian that engages in the act will not be punished by anybody according to any law. He may be disciplined by his local church in order to restore him to the faith but if he choose to continue, his case will be handed to God while the brethren pray for him to repent.

Besides, even the Christian commandment and precepts has over the years been subjected to different interpretation depending on various assemblies and congregations. Some sect don't believe in the Holy Trinity, while others does; some set see tithing as fraud, some see it as command; to some sect, the Catholics and all those that use images to aid worship are idolaters and not Christians. To some, divorce is a NO, while some others not only see divorce as Biblical but welcomes remarriage. Some believe in Christmas and Easter, while others see it as fraudulent practice of pagans. Need I say more? .

What is central in Christianity is that God will be the judge on the last day, HE will judge all men, Christians and non Christians according to their works, and the Saints will judge the Angels.


3. Status of Christian Association of Nigeria In The Christiandom:
Make no mistake, CAN is not a central body of Christians in Nigeria, neither does it posses a central authority. CAN is only an association of those Christian religious leaders that are part of the association. CAN is not an authority in Christiandom in Nigeria, they are not the Holy Spirit, they CANNOT prescribe any Christian law. In fact, not all churches are part of CAN as an association, not all Christians recognises CAN. To be explicit, Christianity can never be regulated by any government, body, association or group or any person/persons, and should never be. Matters that are Christian in nature must be addressed according to the Christian precept (NOT LAWS), those that are civil in nature could be taken to the civil courts, while those that are criminal in nature be subjected according to the relevant laws in Nigeria.

4. A Ploy To Expedite The Passage Of The Sharia Court Of Appeal Bill?
We may recall that there is a bill before the House of Representative that was sponsored by Honourable Abdulahi Salame representing Gwadabawa/Illela federal constituency, Sokoto State, which seeks to altar Sections 262 and 277 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, in order to increase the jurisdiction of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory and Sharia Court of Appeal of a State by including Criminal Matters and Hudud and Qisas and for "other related Matters”. This pro-sharia bill was condemned by patriotic Nigerians of diverse faith and creed.

With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed, it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament. Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?

Without prejudice to any faith, Nigeria as a country should/must have no business with religious laws. We are secular, and should be. Our customary laws is enough to take care of matters relating to customs and traditions, while civil and criminal laws takes care of civil and criminal matters respectively. Religion is voluntary of those that practice it, the so-called Sharia laws that exist at present across states are competing with sections of our constitution, we wouldn't want more complications through Sharia or Ecclesiastical Court of Appeal at the federal level. If this bill was proposed to appease Christians so as to allow easy passge of Rep Abdulahi Salama Sharia bill, then it is dead on arrival. Nigerians must act and resist both confusionist bills.

I condemned the Sharia bill, I still strongly condemn this proposed Ecclesiastical court bill because the bill serves the interest of nobody except those few members of the elite that will be appointed to chair or be part of such court. It should be emphasised that Christianity is not in competition with Islam or any religion, neither is Christianity the opposite of Islam.

I enjoin members of the National Assembly to look at laws that will positively affect the lives of Nigerians irrespective of religious creed, gender, status or tribe instead of wasting taxpayers monies by sitting in their chambers to discuss irrelevant and confusionist bills like the Sharia and Ecclesiastical courts bills. If our "Honourables" are bored, they should go on indefinite recess and spare the citizens of more troubles. Enough is Enough for the Wise.





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they know d bill is going no where.. ....it just meant to collect sitting allowance

The Bill has nothing to do with Christianity. It is a tool of governance so it does not matter to the faith but with respect to Christians living in the Nigerian state it may be necessary if the country has decided to divide itself along religious lines. There is no point having Islamic jurisprudence without an Cnristian equivalent.

lloyds:
It is not biblical. Basic.

No one said it was, no one intended it to be. Christians did not start the political division of Nigeria along religious lines. I support it 101%.

Tonye. Long time man..

I made a thread earlier complaining about this bullsheet court

Have you noticed the idiots supporting this Bill have no concrete reason?

That why Religion should be out of this country rule.

Iam Christian but politically I am secular

Any educated christian who supports this bill is a 1st class mumu.

Pharaoh9:
The Christian law should be active in the North to protect the Christians there

Did u go to school??

The fact that Northerners sacrificed their sanity for Sharia does not mean Christians should follow up

Olumaeme:
This Millennium Christians are the most docile people on earth, see the way Muslims are terrorizing them anyhow but they will fold their arms and pray to a God that doesn't exist.

When you fail your exams - pray
When you ha headache - pray
When terrorist attacks you - pray.

I have said it times without number that, it take violence to stop violence sometimes, prayer doesn't stop your enemy from killing and maiming you, look at what's happening in southern Kaduna and Enugu where some people are killing the other and taking over their villages, and they keep crying to FG, but then no send them.
But had it been they took arms against themselves and kill a little in a fierce battle, there will be call for negotiations and settlement.

Christians should wake up now or be ready to be cleared from Nigeria as in the nearest future, most of the Islamic nations today were Christian community before...

Christian court is long overdue, let them set strict rules too, the way igbos are treated in the north, the hausas should be treated like that in the east.
The woman who was killed in Kano the other day has died forever and nothing will happen.

If next time an igbo is killed in the north, 2 Fulanis and 200 cows are also killed in the east, something drastic will be done.


Christian court is welcomed, even though I dnt believe in Christianity it religion, but it should be a level plain ground for everyone!

How can a Christian court be long overdue if Christianity never advocated for a centralized court system??

Use ur fvcking brain.

If you went to school until University level and call yourself a Christian and support the bill.pls kindly return your degree.

No Christian nation has a religious court. Christianity never even called for one, but Nigerian Christianity wants one

Nigeria, a country so close to God it made us foolish..

#No to the bill

TonyeBarcanista let's create a website or start a change.org petition.